User talk:Bruxton/Archives/2023/January

Closing stuff at WT:DYK
Funnily enough, I used to do that all the time as well, until clued me in on a better way to handle those one-off discussions. It's usually less clutter-y to wait a few days, see if anyone's objecting to the result, and then use some kind of archiver to sweep it off the talk page. Happy editing! theleekycauldron (talk • contribs) (she/her) 23:03, 2 January 2023 (UTC)
 * Yes IMO it is a confusing talk page, and I have to search around to find threads I am involved in. But I am open to better ways! Bruxton (talk) 23:05, 2 January 2023 (UTC)

closing?
Sorry if I'm misreading history...when you close something with Twinkle, you need to do the four tildes. I know that seems like it should be necessary, but none of your recent closes at WT:DYK show you as the closer. Valereee (talk) 00:17, 3 January 2023 (UTC)
 * Oh thanks, I can fix that. I did not sign any of them and did not use twinkle. Bruxton (talk) 00:36, 3 January 2023 (UTC)
 * Now that you mention it, I probably don't use twinkle either. I probably use some other script. Valereee (talk) 00:57, 3 January 2023 (UTC)


 * Bruxton, are you still running around closing stuff that doesn't need closing ? I'm actually developing a perverse affection for you, so don't take this wrong, but ... it's really a net loss of editor time and effort to do that. Not only could your time be spent better (in building preps, for instance), but a close step, when the thread's no big deal and the close doesn't really do anything, churns a lot of people's watchlists for no reason. (And TDYK's already pretty churn-y.) Also, closing without archiving discourages the occasional followup inquiry or comment, while at the same time not actually reducing page clutter -- only archiving does that.So if a thread's run its course, and there's no further value to keeping it around, just One-click it and be done with it. (See User:Enterprisey/archiver if you don't have One-click, which is the best thing since sliced bread.) EEng 01:31, 3 January 2023 (UTC)
 * Oh, don't discourage them. Closing is fine. Closing and archiving is fine too. But if someone just wants to neaten things up by closing, bully. All it does is delay archiving. Valereee (talk) 01:33, 3 January 2023 (UTC)
 * Haha. a perverse affection...I will take it! Yes, regarding the discussions I am overwhelmed trying to find threads that still need attention. But I certainly would rather do other things that do not pull the tiger's tail! And those preps ain't gonna prep themselves. That is some slog in the preps. Bruxton (talk) 01:38, 3 January 2023 (UTC)
 * Thanks for the archiving tip. I just tried it out. Bruxton (talk) 01:59, 3 January 2023 (UTC)
 * Stick with me, kid, and you'll learn stuff. EEng 02:33, 3 January 2023 (UTC)
 * Excuse the malformed pings. I just formed them so you will likely be pinged. Anything that makes the job easier is welcome. Bruxton (talk) 02:39, 3 January 2023 (UTC)

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Thanks for the image additions to Elmer Carlson and Robert Spencer Finkbine. SL93 (talk) 01:34, 5 January 2023 (UTC)

Articles for deletion/Geographers on Film
The tag on the article needs to be removed, and the article discussion needs to be updated. Cheers. 7&amp;6=thirteen (☎) 14:30, 6 January 2023 (UTC)


 * Thanks for the message, I will fix it. Bruxton (talk) 14:42, 6 January 2023 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Tyler Dibling
There is nothing 'speedy' about this keep, please re-word your close. GiantSnowman 20:07, 10 January 2023 (UTC)
 * Hello apologies if I screwed this up - from my reading, the nominator withdrew the nomination and it looked like a snow keep. I welcome your suggestions about wording. Bruxton (talk) 20:11, 10 January 2023 (UTC)
 * I would close it a 'keep' - it ran 7 days, clear consensus, in this situation the nomination withdrawal had no impact. GiantSnowman 20:13, 10 January 2023 (UTC)
 * Ok thank you, I will change it to simply "keep". Bruxton (talk) 20:16, 10 January 2023 (UTC)
 * Great, thanks! GiantSnowman 20:29, 10 January 2023 (UTC)

Hook for Bothie (dog)
Hi there, I noticed that when you promoted Template:Did you know nominations/Bothie (dog) to prep area 5 you changed the wording to from "visit the north and south poles" to "set paw in the north and south poles", with "per recommendation in the nomination" in the edit summary. I was the reviewer and my recommendation was that "set paw" should be in quotation marks as it's from a source quoted in the article. I also suggested using either "set foot" or "visit" instead, and the nominator chose to revise the hook using "visit", which I thought was better. I approved the hook as revised.

And shouldn't it be "on" not "in" the North Pole? HazelAB (talk) 13:20, 14 January 2023 (UTC)


 * I just realized that the nominator had simply revised the hook, which originally included the "set paw" wording, rather than creating a new ALT hook. Probably wrong procedure and likely to cause misunderstanding. First time nominator and absent minded reviewer. HazelAB (talk) 13:34, 14 January 2023 (UTC)
 * Thanks for the message. It seemed like some fun wording for DYK to say "set paw". The word "Visit" is mundane IMO. Also the given source says "set paw" so I put quotation marks around the words in the hook and I used the word "on" instead of "in" as it is stated in the LA Times reference. Let me know what you think. Bruxton (talk) 15:00, 14 January 2023 (UTC)
 * That's fine, but since the source says "set paw on both the South and North poles", the last part of the hook is now a direct quote from the source other than the transposition of North and South. Is that permitted without expanding the amount within quotation marks? HazelAB (talk) 16:08, 14 January 2023 (UTC)
 * I think so since the last part of the hook is reordered. It may be a matter of opinion but if there is an issue an administrator will bring it to WT:DYK for discussion. Bruxton (talk) 16:13, 14 January 2023 (UTC)
 * Okay then. Just pinging the nominator for information and possible comment. HazelAB (talk) 16:30, 14 January 2023 (UTC)
 * Apologies - it seems I got the process wrong. I now know better for next time.  Thanks for the hook improvements - agreed more fun to include the "set paw" wording. ResonantDistortion 16:45, 14 January 2023 (UTC)

Happy New Year, Bruxton!


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Happy New Year! Hello Bruxton: Thanks for all of your contributions to Wikipedia, and have a great New Year! Cheers, FeydHuxtable (talk) 11:24, 1 January 2023 (UTC) Send New Year cheer by adding {{subst:Happy New Year snowman}} to people's talk pages with a friendly message.

Paradise Chronicle (talk) 23:09, 1 January 2023 (UTC)
 * Besides, I often remember your encouraging support to me entering the NPP team. I try to patrol an article a day and if possible I review some more. I usually do the approving. In deleting, I am not yet enough confident, but I am learning. Nice knowing you are around.Paradise Chronicle (talk) 23:21, 1 January 2023 (UTC)
 * cool. I am not as active there since the drive. But I do a few articles a week. Happy editing! Bruxton (talk) 23:25, 1 January 2023 (UTC)

DYK for Glock switch
-- RoySmith (talk) 00:02, 17 January 2023 (UTC) GalliumBot (talk • contribs) (he/it) 03:27, 18 January 2023 (UTC)

Further thoughts
I assumed bad faith of you, and I apologize for that. I'd like to explain a bit where I was coming from. You're welcome to not care, but I think one is titled to an explanation when someone assumes bad faith in that manner.

I think a thing that's easy to forget here is that some articles have emotional significance to people. In this case, I wrote that article while Bellwether was dying, and she died in between me submitting it for DYK and the DYK running. I was, suffice it to say, moved. A self-published author who spent much of her adult life unable to work for a mix of medical and legal reasons, Bellwether was nonetheless an incredibly influential figure in the field of transgender sexuality. The hook you took issue with was, despite its perhaps eye-catching wording, about her most significant intervention in that field—one that, without exaggeration, revolutionized how people write about trans bodies. One without which we would not have works like Fielding's Trans Sex (source of the quote at issue) or the groundbreaking Trans Bodies, Trans Selves.

So it was hurtful—not intentionally, I realize now—to have a characterization of that revolutionary idea dismissed as, essentially, smut. I get how it may have looked that way to one less familiar with the topic, and since DYK is of course for those not familiar with a topic, it was a fair critique to take issue with it on that basis. But after a few weeks of working on this article, on and off, including getting it to GA, it hit me on a personal level. I responded poorly—I don't think poorly in substance, but poorly in tone. And, having made the decision to back off and not fight things further when my third-choice hook was swapped in, it reöpened that wound to see (what I perceived as) a second round of criticism of that hook.

(And to be very clear, this isn't to say I'd get emotional over any old hook in this topic area. Even where I have emotional attachment to an article, I think of myself as good at checking those emotions, but, as I say in the poem I linked, there's something very personally impactful about the death of someone in whose world one lived for a time.)

None of that's any excuse for being a dick, but I hope it at least explains why I saw these interactions very differently than you did. I look forward to continuing working with you around DYK. I thank you for your many contributions to that venue—needless to say, far more extensive than mine.

-- Tamzin  [ cetacean needed ] (she&#124;they&#124;xe) 20:43, 17 January 2023 (UTC)
 * Thanks so much for that message and background. I was also feeling bad about our interactions. Check out this hook and see the comments: hook. Not comparing the hook to yours but just showing how some dyk regulars are not as bothered by risqué hooks. I know that we will both contribute mightily to this encyclopedia and I hope to work with you. I consider any grievances squashed. Bruxton (talk) 22:01, 17 January 2023 (UTC)
 * Funny enough, I don't have much patience for that kind of wordplay either. It strikes me as juvenile. I felt my original proposed hook was okay because it was, in plain English, what the subject was about; I'd say that if people want an excuse to put sex-related terms on the Main Page, they should earn it the hard way, by writing an article on sex. Lord knows we have many, many articles in that topic area in need of a rewrite. (Maybe that's a kind of idiosyncratic opinion set to annoy both sides, but hey, those are kind of my specialty.) --  Tamzin  [ cetacean needed ] (she&#124;they&#124;xe) 23:48, 17 January 2023 (UTC)
 * yes the guy was a prolific DYK contributor but he was topic banned from DYK for repeatedly making hooks like that. Bruxton (talk) 23:58, 17 January 2023 (UTC)

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