User talk:Bs1jac/Archive 3

South American Championship
Hi Bs1jac. As of now the scorecards of both men's and women's tournament are not available on cricinfo. I am keeping an eye on this and will take up once available. You take care of the other numerous matches going on elsewhere. :) Thanks mitratanmoy 12:45, 9 October 2019 (UTC)


 * Hi, hope you are well? Yes I am waiting for these. I have put a lot of effort into this particular tournament and so I would like to update at least some of the new team player lists that I created if you don't mind? Why don't we agree a split for these? How about, once they are available, I do Brazil (men and women) and Argentina (men and women) new lists, and you do Peru (men and women), Chile (men) new lists plus update the existing Chile women list? Then you can do Mexico men if you like and I'll update their women's list. Does that sound good? I'm certainly happy to make sure you get to do some of them too, so will leave those ones alone for you. Bs1jac (talk) 12:57, 9 October 2019 (UTC)
 * Of course, the Brazil women's list isn't a new one, just an update. Bs1jac (talk) 13:25, 9 October 2019 (UTC)
 * Bs1jac, I am absolutely fine whatever you assign to me. You put huge amount of work across every area. So whatever you assign, I will do that. I thought of taking up some more areas as so many matches are going on all around and you take care of them almost single-handedly. mitratanmoy 13:30, 9 October 2019 (UTC)


 * Well actually Lugnuts does the majority to be fair, I mostly work on Associate nations events, the players lists (which as you know the two of us do almost all the work on) and some team page stats. It's not a case of me assigning things to you... please do what you can! It's just that this specific tournament took a lot of work and the players names will need to be checked against how CricHQ (and hence the event article) currently lists them, so I would really like to do to some of them if possible. To keep it simple, why don't we say you do Peru and Chile (men and women) plus Mexico men, I'll do Brazil and Argentina (men and women) plus Mexico women. If that's fine with you? Ps: Thanks for updating the various women's lists for Full Member nations... I tend not to look at those very often (at least not until after a series has finished). And during the Twenty20 qualifier there are going to be loads of games so it would be great if could continue updating some each so that neither of us have to do them all (just whichever ones you want and have time for). Bs1jac (talk) 14:10, 9 October 2019 (UTC)
 * Yeah, we love associate nations!! I did not have thought of these. In that case, I recommend you take care of all the teams of this tournament. You are very good at this. I will try to make updates of other ongoing series. Honestly speaking, I don't have anything else other than fixing Zimbabwe T20 team. So trying to find something to work on. Thanks mitratanmoy 19:19, 9 October 2019 (UTC)
 * They might be a little complicated. I am sure we can think of some things that need some help! I will let you know if I think of anything. Feel free to do today's Oman Pentangular games that I was about to do (I have only done Ireland) PS. I have been like that before too, when you have done a big project (in this case sorting out all of the lists) and then its a bit quiet for a while until something else comes up. Bs1jac (talk) 19:36, 9 October 2019 (UTC)

This just appeared
The Hellenic Premier League! First match was yesterday! All look like full T20I matches.  Lugnuts  Fire Walk with Me 17:01, 15 October 2019 (UTC)


 * Yeah I just saw that on Twitter. Could you create an article? I'm unavaiable for a day or so. Bs1jac (talk) 17:49, 15 October 2019 (UTC)


 * Created the basic shell here. - another Associate T20I tournament for you. Thanks.  Lugnuts  Fire Walk with Me


 * Wow this came out of nowhere. How did everyone miss this? Human (talk) 18:46, 15 October 2019 (UTC)


 * I only saw it by chance as one of the scorecards appeared on today's fixture list on CI.  Lugnuts  Fire Walk with Me 18:48, 15 October 2019 (UTC)


 * Thanks for that... Will update the grounds list accordingly. Ankurc.17 (talk) 04:05, 16 October 2019 (UTC)

Record lists
On a side note. Need your suggestion. For team records in different formats such as this one what do you suggest we should update it? Once a match gets over or after the series they are playing in gets over. I personally prefer once the series gets over. Your input? Ankurc.17 (talk) 04:05, 16 October 2019 (UTC)
 * mitratanmoy and I generally look after the player lists. We do some after each match, some after a couple of matches and some after a series, depending on what time we have. Why would you prefer we do them after a series? For series like this one it will be after the series when the scorecards are available. Bs1jac (talk) 06:20, 16 October 2019 (UTC)


 * My reason is that since the same record might be broken multiple times it would be better if edited at the end of a series. Case in point the leading run scroer would have values changing after every match. Ankurc.17 (talk) 07:38, 16 October 2019 (UTC)


 * My mistake... I thought you meant the player lists such as List of Ireland Twenty20 International cricketers. I rarely touch the list of team records pages. Those can be left until the end of a series unless there is a notable record such as a new top score for example... but you manage these pages so up to you really. Bs1jac (talk) 07:42, 16 October 2019 (UTC)

Shpageeza Cricket League
Morning. Great work with this page. I don't know if you noticed, but CI wasn't showing who had made their debut on their scorecards. This stopped about 6 or 7 days ago. I dropped them an email last night, and it now seems to be fixed. Phew!  Lugnuts  Fire Walk with Me 06:43, 17 October 2019 (UTC)


 * Cheers. Yeah they were all there for the games played before I started the page, but since then have been taking at least 2-3 days to appear. I had been going through the scorecard and working out debuts myself. A nice little distraction from the recent flurry of European associate series where information is like gold dust! Bs1jac (talk) 07:24, 17 October 2019 (UTC)

Malawi - Mozambique
Hi guys. I have just seen on the ICC calendar that there will be a 7(!) match T20I series between Malawi and Mozambique in November, and also a 7 match WT20I series at the same time. It has been added to Associate international cricket in 2019–20 but we can't create either article yet as there are no sources and they are not even in in CI yet. I'm sure one of us will find something soon though. Guessing that the ACA Africa T20 has been binned! Bs1jac (talk) 20:31, 24 October 2019 (UTC)


 * Yeah and it's called Kwacha Cup. I didn't see a 7 match series for a long time and never in case of T20Is. ICC calendar didn't have the Hellenic Premier League fixtures or match results yet in their calendar and CI didn't update the scorecard, so we have to wait for this one too. Human (talk) 21:32, 24 October 2019 (UTC)


 * Thanks, I hadn't seen the name. Where did you see that? Yeah, the Hellenic PL has been the weirdest one that I have attempted to cover. Format is now pretty clear (have been in touch with the Bulgarian captain), and it looks like some extra score details have come from Czarsports (not ideal)... hopefully we can tidy it up in the next couple of days. Bs1jac (talk) 21:59, 24 October 2019 (UTC)
 * Oh it says the series title on the calendar lol! Bs1jac (talk) 22:01, 24 October 2019 (UTC)


 * Great spot. For a second, I read it as Mali women, and not Malawi. Thinking some more records would be smashed!  Lugnuts  Fire Walk with Me 06:57, 25 October 2019 (UTC)

Just thinking about this one. Given that both men's and women's series take place at the same time, and that references are likely to be minimal, do you think that it would be a good idea to create a single article called 2019 Kwacha Cup and have a section for the men's series and a section for the women's series, rather than two separate articles called Mozambique cricket team in Malawi in 2019–20 and Mozambique women's cricket team in Malawi in 2019–20? It might look tidier, and we could then use the cup name in the title rather than a generic X in Y format (similar to 2019 T20 Inter-Insular Cup and the women's-only 2018 Saudari Cup and 2019 Saudari Cup). Let me know what you think and I'll make a start later. Bs1jac (talk) 10:51, 25 October 2019 (UTC)
 * Personally I think this is the best option as all matches are labelled as Kwacha Cup. Have gone ahead and created the article. If you really think they should be separated, we can always do so (and move the current article). Bs1jac (talk) 11:28, 25 October 2019 (UTC)


 * Agree, I think this is the best solution for this. Nice work.  Lugnuts  Fire Walk with Me 16:33, 25 October 2019 (UTC)

Hellenic Premier League
Hi! Sorry for this late reply, I found the scores on the facebook page of Bulgarian Cricket Association. They've uploaded photos of the scorecards. It's still blurry though. The EDM Gug (talk) 11:21, 25 October 2019 (UTC)


 * Thanks - yes I had been working from those this week. Wasn't sure where you got the Greece-Serbia one from, but I have since been sent a copy from the organizers. Bs1jac (talk) 11:25, 25 October 2019 (UTC)

New articles
For info, please see this. I'm amazed you don't have this user right already! Stops all your new pages from being added to the patrol log. Thanks.  Lugnuts  Fire Walk with Me 10:17, 6 November 2019 (UTC)
 * Cheers! I did wonder a while back, but didn't want to ask for it myself. Bs1jac (talk) 10:22, 6 November 2019 (UTC)

Kwacha Cup
Bs1jac Just a reminder that you should be careful when interacting with some Indian or Pakistani guys asking for scores in social medias. They are least interested in these type of matches and asks the score for betting or fixing purposes. I've seen them behaving inappropriately if the results don't go their way. Then again I'm no police. Human (talk) 09:20, 10 November 2019 (UTC)


 * Moved comment here as it does not relate to the article specifically and seems a somewhat strange personal comment to make there. I'll assume you were making conversataion rather than being a little patronising. In response, yes I am very aware of the many subcontinent people who have no genuine interest in cricket outside of the IPL and their national team, and I get annoyed when they pester organizers for a playing xi just so they can bet or play dream xi. Must annoy the organizers, and makes it harder for us to get the basic info needed for actual reporting. It is perhaps unfair though to assume that is all of them however and there has actually been very little comment on this series. Mostly RoonBa (British) trying to get them to simply say who won some of the matches (going into the final day, we dont know who won 4 of 6 men's and 2 of 6 women's matches)! After all, you are from that part of the world and you DO have a genuine interest in asociate cricket :) . Bs1jac (talk) 10:00, 10 November 2019 (UTC)

There are confusion regarding Mohammad Mohsin
Born 1993 1994 born

1994 born is currently playing in Emerging Asia cup and his wiki profile his missing.However he played some FIrst class matches in PakistAn

Hi there. I have done my best to resolve this, but wanted to raise it with you as well. There are two different Pakistani players called Mohammad Mohsin, one born in 1993 and one born in 1994. The later had not been created, and it is he who is in the current 2019 ACC Emerging Teams Asia Cup not the prior (according to the Cricinfo scorecards). Turns out both players made their T20 debut on the same day for different teams. I have created the latter player and have gone through recent seasons to ensure that the correct players is linked as previously the earlier player was being used for both. I have checked 2019–20 National T20 Cup, 2018–19 National T20 Cup, 2018–19 Quaid-e-Azam Trophy (I couldn't find a page for the current season of this, maybe it hasn't started?) and need to check recent season of the Quaid-e-Azam Trophy too. Just wanted to let you know what was going on in case you wondered. Bs1jac (talk) 10:43, 18 November 2019 (UTC)


 * Thanks. I was ignoring it, as the IP (177.122, based in Gujarat) is a long-term block evasion issue. If you see anymore requests from this idiot, feel free to ignore them too. Thanks again!  Lugnuts  Fire Walk with Me 10:46, 18 November 2019 (UTC)


 * Cheers. I tend to ignore requests from IP editors, but could see that something was wrong here. Have finishedthe corrections now. Do you think we should move the previously existing page Mohammad Mohsin (cricketer) to Mohammad Mohsin (cricketer, born 1993) to avoid future confusion, or leave it as is? Bs1jac (talk) 10:50, 18 November 2019 (UTC)

Turkey - Bulgaria
Bulgaria have just posted that they are playing 4 'international T20s' against Turkey this weekend. It does say 'Bulgaria national team A' so that probably means 'not official' but who knows. The squad list looks about half of their players for the Hellenic Premier League and half new. Bs1jac (talk) 12:33, 19 November 2019 (UTC)


 * Ignore... confirmed as 'friendlies' and not official. Bs1jac (talk) 12:34, 19 November 2019 (UTC)


 * Ahh, no worries - thanks for finding the info in the first place! And I've made the page move as suggested above, for the 1993/1994 Pakistan players. All in a day's work. :D  Lugnuts  Fire Walk with Me 12:45, 19 November 2019 (UTC)


 * That's sad. Would've been glad to see new players debuting, although Turkey's cricket is horrible. Human (talk) 17:10, 19 November 2019 (UTC)


 * Although looking at the squads almost all of Turkey's players are different than those in the Romania T20 Cup. I heard there were visa issues which meant most of the squad couldn't go to Romania and some of those who went instead were actually baseball players or something like that! Bs1jac (talk) 17:23, 19 November 2019 (UTC)

Kind of late to talk about this but the the account Bulgaria cricket mentioned wasn't even of the Turkish board or cricket team. So it being friendly is understandable. Human (talk) 21:28, 27 November 2019 (UTC)
 * Yep I confirmed above that they are friendlies Bs1jac (talk) 21:32, 27 November 2019 (UTC)

Published!
Morning! In case you are interested, I have had a opinion piece published by Emerging Cricket on the breakthrough of universal T20I status in 2019. No content that you won't already know about of course. Bs1jac (talk) 10:44, 22 November 2019 (UTC)


 * Wow - that's great! Just had a skim through it, but will read the full article later. And thank EC for mentioning me and all the hard work we do here on WP! :D  Lugnuts  Fire Walk with Me 10:51, 22 November 2019 (UTC)


 * Apparently you are famous in their circle. They all claim each other must be Lugnuts! Bs1jac (talk) 10:53, 22 November 2019 (UTC)


 * Hehe. Just spotted this and this on Cricinfo for two more WT20I associate tours.  Lugnuts  Fire Walk with Me 18:16, 25 November 2019 (UTC)
 * Awesome! I see someone has added a redlink to 2019 Philippines Women's Tri-Nation Series as well. I can create articles for these tomorrow if nobody has done so by then. Bs1jac (talk) 20:04, 25 November 2019 (UTC)
 * Also reading this about the Philippines, it seems that there is already news of the T20 subregional for northern EAP! I'll leave all qualifiers in your hands when the time comes! Bs1jac (talk) 20:29, 25 November 2019 (UTC)


 * Superb - great spot! Thank you.  Lugnuts  Fire Walk with Me 20:31, 25 November 2019 (UTC)
 * Hmmm Namibia have indicating that they are not participating in the event... so Cricinfo is wrong and I have wasted time on the article! I'll leave it for now... but feel free to jump in if action is required at some point. Bs1jac (talk)


 * Ahhh, drat! Sorry about that. I'll keep an eye on it and see what happens.  Lugnuts  Fire Walk with Me 15:44, 26 November 2019 (UTC)


 * Just thought - if it's def. not taking place, then you can move the article into your draft space. And then when the next series is announced, you can use that as the starting point and move it back into the mainspace. Give me a ping if you want any help moving it.  Lugnuts  Fire Walk with Me 16:13, 26 November 2019 (UTC)
 * Would you mind? The guy at Cricinfo is annoyed too! There might be a bilateral instead, but who knows. Bs1jac (talk) 16:14, 26 November 2019 (UTC)


 * Of course - moved it here. Add it to your watchlist, if it's not already on there. You can use that as a template for the next series, and just change the flags!  Lugnuts  Fire Walk with Me 16:21, 26 November 2019 (UTC)
 * Strange that the fixtures have now also been added to the ICC calendar, despite Namibia indicating that they are not playing! Bs1jac (talk) 09:49, 27 November 2019 (UTC)
 * More bizarre each day! At least the article is ready in your draftspace if it does happen.  Lugnuts  Fire Walk with Me 09:51, 27 November 2019 (UTC)


 * This one is now a 7 match bilateral between Botswana and Kenya according to my CI contact. ICC fixtures are partially corrected, CI is correct. Bs1jac (talk) 11:42, 30 November 2019 (UTC)

South Asian Games
Morning. CI has the upcoming matches listed as T20Is, so one to keep an eye on I guess!  Lugnuts  Fire Walk with Me 11:13, 30 November 2019 (UTC)
 * Cheers! Bs1jac (talk) 11:44, 30 November 2019 (UTC)


 * Would guess only the matches between senior sides, so not the full members playing U23s? Bs1jac (talk) 11:50, 30 November 2019 (UTC)


 * Yes, that's my thinking too.  Lugnuts  Fire Walk with Me 12:14, 30 November 2019 (UTC)


 * Great first day from the tournament! Records a tumblin'.  Lugnuts  Fire Walk with Me 09:36, 2 December 2019 (UTC)


 * Yes crazy! Thanks for tidying up the page. Someone left a bit of a mess yesterday and then updating the records on mobile this morning wasn't the easiest. Bs1jac (talk) 09:42, 2 December 2019 (UTC)

Hat-trick in Women's T20I
After Anjali Chand's hat-trick I was looking at the list of hat-tricks in women's cricket. There is a huge inconsistency between the list of WT20I hat-tricks available in CI and the one present in the List of women's international cricket hat-tricks. There are 2 hat-tricks form Nigerian and Ugandan bowlers which are not listed in CI. But looking at the scoreboard, it seems they actually took a hat-trick. Similarly the wiki list is missing the hat-tricks by 2 Thai bowlers. Need your intervention. Also how about moving this section to a new page similar to Men's cricket? After all, women's list is larger than the men;s list in T20I. mitratanmoy 07:41, 3 December 2019 (UTC)


 * Hi there! Thanks for spotting this. Unfortunately, as you know, some of the women's pages are not well maintained. I have added bits o the records articles occassionally but it isn't something I have taken 'ownership' of. It looks like the two Thai hattricks were just missed because noone was following the events (especially the one in Bangkok... I went back and created the article for that series a few months after it had happened). Feel free to add those two to the list, or I can do it later. The problem is the two that are missing in Cricinfo. I can try messaging my contact there to see if he can do anything. By the way I count 14 on CI and 15 in WP. So if two are missing from both, there still seems to be another extra one in WP somewhere? Bs1jac (talk) 08:12, 3 December 2019 (UTC)
 * Just seen that there is also a hattrick for Nepal in february that is missing from CI as well. Bs1jac (talk) 08:14, 3 December 2019 (UTC)


 * Bs1jac, How can you people manage to have contacts in CI!!! Would you mind asking your CI poc to correct the series link for this tournament? It is redirecting to South American Championship series. mitratanmoy 05:55, 3 December 2019 (UTC)
 * Yeah I already mentioned that link - they said it will correct itself 'eventually'. If you look at the season archive, you can find the series. I have a contact because I used their feedback form during the Hellenic Premier League and somebody wrote back asking if I had the scorecards (which I did!). They have fixed a few duplicate players since then as I have been able to point them to the mistakes and the guy is quite responsive. Bs1jac (talk) 09:24, 3 December 2019 (UTC)


 * Hi, thanks to you spotting these, everything is now corrected. CI have added the two that you identified as missing plus a third that I saw, and I have added the two missing Thailand hat-tricks to the list here. Thanks again. Bs1jac (talk) 20:07, 3 December 2019 (UTC)

Women's T20I records

 * Bs1jac, Seems you are not getting notifications from my user page. In continuation to our conversation on my user page, I am thinking of creating a list for Women's T20I records similar to this page. Your thoughts? mitratanmoy 09:21, 9 December 2019 (UTC)
 * Hi, that's odd. If you enter ping|Bs1jac surrounded by the 'curly' brackets, it should notify me. Regarding records, I tend to agree with you, however note that if you go to List of women's Twenty20 International records, you get redirected to Women's Twenty20 International so you will need to go to the existing page and remove the redirect code when entering your info. I would do it all in your sandbox first, then edit List of women's Twenty20 International records when you are done. Bs1jac (talk) 09:48, 9 December 2019 (UTC)
 * Oops forgot to ping you in my reply... please see above! Also we will then need to remove the records section from Women's Twenty20 International once the new page is done. Bs1jac (talk) 09:50, 9 December 2019 (UTC)
 * . Yep. Completely agreed with you. Starting to create the page in my sandbox. Although some info (e.g. count of 6 and 4) is not present for women's cricket, still there are lot of info to put on which might take little time. Once all records put together, will remove those reference and records from existing pages. mitratanmoy 10:56, 9 December 2019 (UTC)
 * Cool, and there is an equivalent for women's ODI records, so now I definitely agree with you. Some of the records on the men's page like 4s and 6s probably isn't needed there to be honest, so don't worry if you don't replicate every section. Just try to copy the format, but leave out any minor bits like that if you need to. In the meantime I will continue updating Women's Twenty20 International (mostly the overall team results summary). Let me know if you need any help. Bs1jac (talk) 10:05, 9 December 2019 (UTC)

.Moved this conversation to new section. Found another issue with CI. Highest partnership for 5th wicket is mentioned as 208* in this link and in this link. But looking at the scorecard does not seem this is correct info. As usual, requesting you to check with your CI contact. :) mitratanmoy 07:03, 10 December 2019 (UTC)
 * Hi, yeah the problem with the records is that sometimes associate events don't provide the fall of wicket data and it can screw up. I'll ask if they can remove it from the records in case there is a glitch causing it. Bs1jac (talk) 11:50, 10 December 2019 (UTC)
 * Fixed! Bs1jac (talk) 14:15, 10 December 2019 (UTC)
 * . Its done and you can take a look at here. mitratanmoy 10:37, 16 December 2019 (UTC)
 * Good job. I fixed the reference at the top but the rest looks good at first look. Probably need to remove records from Women's Twenty20 International and instead have a link to the new page. Bs1jac (talk) 11:43, 16 December 2019 (UTC)

So many records got broken by Maldives!! Did not know till yesterday that this is going to be a T20I, otherwise would have included those records. However, need another help. Seems Fargana Hoque scored the hundred in 49 balls but yet to be included in this list of fastest hundreds. Please inform your CI contact to update this list. :)mitratanmoy 09:56, 17 December 2019 (UTC)
 * Yes, CI had said that Bangladesh matches in that tournament did not have T20I status but they have now been advised by ICC that they do. I see between us we have updated all of the relevant pages today. I'll check on that century, but it may be that the system needs a little more time to sync everything. Bs1jac (talk) 10:55, 17 December 2019 (UTC)


 * Nice work both on creating and updating this. I've re-targeted some of the main links (like this), and I'll try to look at what else was pointing to the generic WT20I page that should now point to the records page too.  Lugnuts  Fire Walk with Me 13:23, 17 December 2019 (UTC)


 * Cheers. Most of the actual work was mitratanmoy. There are/were a few reference issues but we'll sort those. I think 'women' should really be lower case in tge page title but I cant do that move as it already exists (was redirecting to the generic page, now to this new page), but that's very minor. Bs1jac (talk) 13:26, 17 December 2019 (UTC)


 * This list is yet to be updated with the record of Fargana Hoque. Looks like need manual update for this one. Could you please check with your CI contact? :)mitratanmoy 11:33, 3 Februrary 2020 (UTC)
 * I have asked them to look. I hope that they have the data recorded. Bs1jac (talk) 10:55, 3 February 2020 (UTC)

Happy Holidays
Hi there. Merry Christmas and Happy Holidays. Posting this just to check on you. It's quite boring that no associate men's series are taking place. Anyways, you're doing a great job in WT20I articles. You formed a great partnership with User:mitratanmoy (Happy Holidays to you too). Keep up the great work! Human (talk) 19:51, 24 December 2019 (UTC)


 * Thanks! Yeah it's a quiet time for the men's game. Still waiting for some scorecards for the Costa Rica Belize women's series from 2 weeks ago... Cricinfo are getting frustrated too! Plenty of associate cricket to come in 2020 though, lots of rumours of various events awaiting dates. Happy holidays! Bs1jac (talk) 20:48, 24 December 2019 (UTC)

2021 Qualifiers
Hi, thought I'd ask this away from the ACA page. Regarding qualifiers for 2021, my suggestion would be to link to the subregionals from the associate season article and then later link to the regional finals (which will be part of the same articles) from the main international season page as before. The only thing with that is would it look odd having subregionals on the associate page but then not the regional finals? Bs1jac (talk) 22:24, 1 January 2020 (UTC)


 * Morning! Maybe have all of it on the Assoc. page(s)? Looking at the past regional finals, it's only really Nepal, and possibly the USA, who would be counted on the main page (IMO). The European qualifiter final is classic assoc. cricket for me (Jersey, Germany, Italy, etc). Same with the Africa. I think it makes more sense to have it one place.  Lugnuts  Fire Walk with Me 08:16, 2 January 2020 (UTC)


 * Agreed! Definitely would prefer them in one place and felt that they were an anomaly last year. But still have CWCL2 and CWCCL plus other events and tours that involve the ODI associates on the main season page? Bs1jac (talk) 09:22, 2 January 2020 (UTC)


 * Yes, keep everything else ODI related on the main page(s). thoughts? This is in relation to the T20 qualifiers, with info on the Africa region now coming through. Looks like a busy year of Assoc. T20I cricket coming up!  Lugnuts  Fire Walk with Me 09:50, 2 January 2020 (UTC)


 * I'm not the best person to give my thoughts. Whatever feels right just do it. And yeah I liked your idea. Human (talk) 15:54, 2 January 2020 (UTC)


 * Yes keep all Qualifiers on the Associate page even if it involves teams with ODI statuses (Nepal, Namibia, Scotland, Oman, USA< UAE)... If there is something like the World Qualifiers (same like the one which was held in Dubai in October 2019) that can be linked to the main page... Ankurc.17 (talk) 06:02, 3 January 2020 (UTC)
 * and Check this Ankurc.17 (talk) 09:41, 3 January 2020 (UTC)


 * Yeah I helped Ben a little with this. A lot of what he includes is unsourced, just from word of mouth. For example someone told him of two t20i matches between Nepal and Malaysia this month but there is no official announcement of these matches. Not saying it is wrong (although there are likely to be some mistakes due to unclear status of matches)... but we can't include them in Wiki without adequate sources. Bs1jac (talk) 09:47, 3 January 2020 (UTC)


 * Nice work. I've dropped a note on the talkpage of the Associate international cricket in 2019–20 article to let other editors know that the calendar itself is not a WP:RS.  Lugnuts  Fire Walk with Me 10:51, 3 January 2020 (UTC)


 * Yeah i heard about the Nepal-Malaysia series from a Nepali source but aren't reliable. The calendar also isn't reliable. I just wish we live long enough to see all these series until certain two countries tears each other apart. Human (talk) 16:24, 3 January 2020 (UTC)

Sorry to ask a similar question again, but here goes! We agreed to put all qualifiers for the 2021 T20 WC on the associate season pages (sub-regional and regional finals) for this cycle. We are also putting the Asia cup sub-regional qualifiers on the associate season pages. However, I see that the Asia Cup final qualifer and the women's Asia cup qualifer are on the main international season page. Is that as expected, only they are surely equivalent standard to the T20 World cup qualifier Asia finals? I'm fine with it as is, just still finding the distinction a little blurry! It again makes me think that the number of matches listed in the intro of the international season pages is more and more misleading if we count matches from the Asia qualifier final, but not from sub-regionals or from T20 WC qualifiers? Cheers Bs1jac (talk) 22:29, 9 January 2020 (UTC)


 * Morning! We must be on different time-zones/sleep patterns, haha! No, I agree, the AC qualifiers should be on the Assoc. page. I think the problem only existed in the past, as we didn't have a dedicated Assoc. page in the past. I'll re-jigg it now. Hehe, jig.  Lugnuts  Fire Walk with Me 08:13, 10 January 2020 (UTC)


 * Lol. Still same rume zone, but I am between jobs at the moment and my sleep pattern has gone weird. Bs1jac (talk) 08:26, 10 January 2020 (UTC)

women's series?
FYI, while working on 2020 Qatar Women's T20I Quadrangular Series, looking for squads, I found this article about a 3-match t20 series between Oman and Malayisia women played 27-29 December 2019. I haven't seen anything about this elsewhere and wonder if they were counted as WT20Is and so far missed by Cricinfo etc. They may have just been friendlies, but hard to tell (sometimes CI do miss these and add them later). Bs1jac (talk) 19:15, 2 January 2020 (UTC)


 * This story? Yes, I noticed that earlier today, too. Nothing on Cricket Archive, or the Malaysia Cricket fixtures/results page. The latter is pretty good and covers pretty much everything that happens in Malaysia. Very odd though, as the Oman article mentions the ICC thoughout, suggesting it is/was a WT20I series!  Lugnuts  Fire Walk with Me 19:36, 2 January 2020 (UTC)


 * Yes that one... on further investigation, this was published in December 2017! lol Bs1jac (talk) 19:38, 2 January 2020 (UTC)
 * . Currently a 4 women's team T20 series is being played in India. Thailand and Bangladesh are two national teams and seems that is going to be a T20I. And found anything else on the above mentioned Oman-Malaysia series?mitratanmoy 08:07, 18 January 2020 (UTC)


 * Very good spot. Lugnuts, this is a quadrangular womens series featuring India A, India B, Bangladesh and Thailand. In theory the match on 20 Jan between BAN and THA should be a WT20I. I have asked my contact at CI if he knows and he says they have been told it will NOT be classified as an international. Not sure why. If later we find that it is, we can decide if the whole series needs an article, or we just add a little section on the associate season page. PS, mitratanmoy, the Oman Malaysia series turned out to be in 2017! Bs1jac (talk) 08:40, 18 January 2020 (UTC)
 * Morning. Yes, I saw the Ban/Tha fixture the other day, but wasn't 100% sure if it would be a full WT20I or not. Maybe it's one of these U23 quota teams, or something.  Lugnuts  Fire Walk with Me 08:52, 18 January 2020 (UTC)
 * Very much the usual squads for both teams! Bs1jac (talk) 08:55, 18 January 2020 (UTC)


 * The article is here, and also listed at AfD.  Lugnuts  Fire Walk with Me 10:01, 18 January 2020 (UTC)

Malaysia in Nepal and Hong Kong
Hi both. I have been doing some more investigation on the rumoured Nepal-Malaysia T20I match(es). It turns out that a Malaysian XI is currently in Nepal participating in Nepal's 50-over tournament, the Manmohan Memorial National One-Day Cricket Tournament. This does not appear to be a List A tournament, but I think it deserves an article anyway as it is listed in Cricinfo's season view in the same section as the Qatar T10 event which has an article. I would be happy to create this tomorrow if considered notable enough. It does not provide evidence that Nepal and Malaysia will play any official T20I matches afterwards, but I have seen a few tweets from unofficial sources and it would make sense given that Malaysia will have been in Nepal for this domestic event, so my guess is that they probably will take place. Bs1jac (talk) 23:44, 4 January 2020 (UTC)


 * I don't think this thing needs an article. It has no official status. By that sense, the MCC team touring Nepal in late 2019 should have had an article because it at least had a first-class match. I don't know how the Qatar T10 League article exists. It doesn't have enough notable players playing like the T10 League. I also remember the article being deleted twice before this third version currently existing. Human (talk) 23:55, 4 January 2020 (UTC)


 * I would say this event warrants an article more than the MCC tour that you mention (yes that had a first class match but this is an entire main tournament within an ODI-playing Associate nation). The top scorer so far is Nepal international Subash Khakurel. I am not saying this should get an article, just that I am happy to do it if we think it is worthy enough. And also using Malaysia's participation as further indication that the rumoured T20I match(es) might be on the cards. Bs1jac (talk) 00:14, 5 January 2020 (UTC)


 * If there's some coverage above and beyond the scorecards, then it could be good to have an article, esp. if the T20I matches do follow it.  Lugnuts  Fire Walk with Me 10:59, 5 January 2020 (UTC)


 * I have found a fair amount of coverage from Nepai news outlets for the 2018 and 2019 editions including several reports, but very little so far for 2020. I will put it on the shelf for now and keep an eye on it. Bs1jac (talk) 11:38, 5 January 2020 (UTC)


 * . I think I have found some refs in Nepalese so will follow up on the domestic event. More importantly I think this one is a confirmation of the T20Is. It is in Nepalese and Google Translate isnt giving sensible dates, but it does confirm all of the above. Not enough to create a page for the internationals yet, but certainly worth watching. Bs1jac (talk) 12:52, 5 January 2020 (UTC)


 * I saw this exact same article but wasn't sure if I would consider it. Since you already created the article, i won't have any further say. But I will appear there only when the international matches start. Human (talk) 16:17, 5 January 2020 (UTC)
 * If the international matches do take place there will probably be a separate article for them (linking to the domestic tournament). I believe Nepalese top level domestic cricket is worthy of some coverage and of course there is no problem if you are not interested in this or certain other Associate-related content. Please feel free to stick to only international men's matches if that's your preference... I wouldn't want anyone to work on areas that they are not interested in or choose to leave with others. Bs1jac (talk) 16:27, 5 January 2020 (UTC)
 * FYI Malaysia have now tweeted that they are playing 3 one day games instead of one or both T20Is, so it now seems unlikely that there will be a T20I in the tour, so no international series page warranted. Bs1jac (talk) 12:29, 6 January 2020 (UTC)


 * They said one T20I. Their might at least be one T20I. And the OD matches are rumoured to have List A status, so an international series article can be expected. Human (talk) 17:46, 6 January 2020 (UTC)


 * The language is ambiguous especially as they never officially announced any T20Is in the first place. I read it to mean instead of any t20s given that they didnt mention any... but who knows, hopefully it will become clear soon. Bs1jac (talk) 18:20, 6 January 2020 (UTC)

It seems like they got Malaysia got someone else to play the T20Is with. According to ICC calender, they will play a 5 match T20I series against Hong Kong in Hong Kong. That series is called Inter Port T20 Series. Human (talk) 14:29, 16 January 2020 (UTC)
 * Good spot - thanks for the update.  Lugnuts  Fire Walk with Me 14:33, 16 January 2020 (UTC)


 * Interport isn't a sponsor name. In fact the Interport matches used be held from 1866 to 1987. It seems like they are trying to revive it after the T20I status have been announced. So the series can be named as such. Human (talk) 22:35, 16 January 2020 (UTC)


 * Yep I read up on that too. Seems to refer to matches between various teams. I created the article with the standard naming for now, mentioning the the Interport name in the intro. We can always move the page later on once there are some decent sources to refer to. Bs1jac (talk) 22:39, 16 January 2020 (UTC)
 * Or rather they mostly involved Hong Kong, but not always. Seems most either involved HK playing or were held in HK. Anyway, let's see if the term is used for the 2020 series in news reports (it probably will be) and go from there. Bs1jac (talk) 22:46, 16 January 2020 (UTC)


 * Czarsportz created a report on this but they aren't reliable... Human (talk) 00:09, 17 January 2020 (UTC)

Wonder what happened to the OD matches between Malaysia and Nepal? They played only two games and Nepal won both according to a Nepalese cricket page. They didn't have any official status. CI didn't even bother to create scorecards for them and the cricket boards of two teams didn't bother either to give any info afterwards. Human (talk) 23:50, 5 February 2020 (UTC)


 * I was literally thinking the same thing earlier today. I don't really care too much as they were never going to have any 'status', but it is odd/annoying when they never really mention them properly. Bs1jac (talk) 23:54, 5 February 2020 (UTC)

Asia qualifier

 * Nice work on finding info on the Asia Qualifier Western tournament. Just a quick point - will this be part of 2019–20 and 2020, as it is in April? Thanks.  Lugnuts  Fire Walk with Me 10:41, 9 January 2020 (UTC)


 * Ah yes of course. So hard finding the information, I didn't think of that. Will adjust. I have been advised that the Africa Cup schedule should be confirmed by early next week, as well as the German women's tour of Oman. Hopefully the Central American men's and women's, and Asia Cup Western soon as well! Bs1jac (talk) 10:45, 9 January 2020 (UTC)

AfD
Hi. Incase you missed it, I added my comment at this AfD, following Cricinfo's update to the Ban/Thai match tody. Thanks.  Lugnuts  Fire Walk with Me 18:20, 20 January 2020 (UTC)

Nam NED Series
Check out the latest tweet from @CricketNamibia1 about a series with Netherlands at Wanderers Cricket Field between March 21 and 1st April 2020.. Not sure about it's international status though... Ankurc.17 (talk) 08:52, 22 January 2020 (UTC)


 * Hmmm, interesting! Good spot. If it is a full international tour, would that now be on the Assoc. page here?  Lugnuts  Fire Walk with Me 09:06, 22 January 2020 (UTC)

Good spot. I very nuch expect the t20s will be t20i... the interesting thing will be are the 50 over games ODIs? Guess we have to wait. And yes I was thinking the same thing about assoc/main season page! Bs1jac (talk) 09:13, 22 January 2020 (UTC)


 * Not sure if it should be on Associate page.. Both teams have ODI statuses making this series among more notable nations. Ankurc.17 (talk) 09:17, 22 January 2020 (UTC)


 * OK, I've created the article. Gone for keeping it on the main international page, as Ankurc states both teams have ODI status already, and the 2019 ICC Men's T20 World Cup Qualifier is on that page too. I've put place-holders for the 50-over matches until it becomes clear if they are ODI, List A, etc.  Lugnuts  Fire Walk with Me 10:41, 22 January 2020 (UTC)
 * Much appreciated!! Ankurc.17 (talk) 11:20, 22 January 2020 (UTC)


 * No problem. If you spot anything similar, please drop me a note/ping, and I'm happy to research further and create. Thanks.  Lugnuts  Fire Walk with Me 12:14, 22 January 2020 (UTC)
 * As per the tweets used for the the Netehrlands Zimbabwe series page the matcvhes between Netherlands and Namibia are ODI's Ankurc.17 (talk) 05:02, 23 January 2020 (UTC)


 * Thanks. I'm not 100% sure they are ODIs as we know them, as sometimes a team means "an international match played over one day", rather than an ODI. But, as it stands, I can't see a reason why they won't be ODIs!  Lugnuts  Fire Walk with Me 13:26, 23 January 2020 (UTC)


 * I know what you mean but the Dutch are usually reliable. Bs1jac (talk) 13:38, 23 January 2020 (UTC)

2021 ICC Men's T20 World Cup
Hi. The ICC has now published the qualification pathway for this, and I've updated the 2021 ICC Men's T20 World Cup article, along with the sub-articles, with the info they have stated.  Lugnuts  Fire Walk with Me 13:27, 23 January 2020 (UTC)


 * Europe's groups have been confirmed. I've updated our qualifier page. All aboard the plane to Finland!  Lugnuts  Fire Walk with Me 13:10, 28 January 2020 (UTC)


 * Excellent! Cheers for that. I like the format for these qualifiers overall. Bs1jac (talk) 13:12, 28 January 2020 (UTC)


 * Yep, me too. I hope the ICC uses this format going forward.  Lugnuts  Fire Walk with Me 13:35, 28 January 2020 (UTC)


 * Was thinking in terms of notability (for players)... For Europe and Africa the same applies as usual, i.e. regional finals only. For Americas and EAP, there will only be finals (no sub-regionals), so does that mean all players in those tournaments will be considered to meet notability criteria even if low level teams are involved, i.e. South Korea, Fiji, Cook Islands, etc? Meanwhile, for Asia there will be no regional finals, just the sub-regionals... so should those be considered notable enough as they are 'the final' stage of Asian qualification? Bs1jac (talk) 13:54, 28 January 2020 (UTC)

Nep-Ned
This Czarsportz report says Nepal are supposed to host Netherlands for T20I/ODI series in 2021 according to an updated ICC ftp claimed by them. They also mentioned a Quadrangular T20I series also to be held in Nepal. I don't know how reliable this report is and I couldn't find the updated ftp anywhere. And it's too early to create any articles anyways and take this as an info. By the way, Qatar-Uganda seems to be an interesting series and Belgium looks to be on a roll. Human (talk) 05:45, 3 February 2020 (UTC)


 * Hi. Yep I set up pages for Qatar-Uganda and the various Belgium series over the weekend. Really good to see Belgium lining up three series on consecitive weekends. I considered merging those three into a single article (Belgium T20I series in April/May 2020, or something like that), but decided against it. Bs1jac (talk) 08:27, 3 February 2020 (UTC)

What on earth is going on?!
An associate T20I match. Between two women's teams. With a live scorecard on Cricinfo! Could hardly believe it! :D  Lugnuts  Fire Walk with Me 08:14, 4 February 2020 (UTC)
 * I know! Gave me something to follow when I couldn't get back to sleep at 6am! It wasn't updating on Cric HQ, then somewhat surprisingly, saw it was ball by ball on CI! Wasn't expecting Germany to win so easily after the warm up game, but then 5 or 6 of Oman's players at only 14. The captain is 38 and the next oldest is 21... It's like a school teacher and her class! Bs1jac (talk) 09:58, 4 February 2020 (UTC)


 * Kind of astonishing that China is still perticipating in the Eastern region Asia cup qualifier despite the nCov outbreak. I think they might pull out like how the Mas-HK series got cancelled. Just hoping the outbreak doesn't reach the cricket world. Human (talk) 05:35, 9 February 2020 (UTC)


 * Fingers crossed there's no impact.  Lugnuts  Fire Walk with Me 08:03, 9 February 2020 (UTC)


 * I suspect China and Hong Kong may have to withdraw, but let's hope not. Bs1jac (talk) 08:35, 9 February 2020 (UTC)


 * I hope they don't withdraw either. But still the scare remains. Anyways, atleast we won some kind of wc today, if not the main one. Human (talk) 19:42, 9 February 2020 (UTC)
 * Yes that was good to see! Bs1jac (talk) 19:48, 9 February 2020 (UTC)

Asia Cup and T20 World Cup Asia Qualifier
Morning. Quick question: These are two different tournaments, right?! A recent set of edits to the latter suggests that they are one and the same, but I'm not sure now!  Lugnuts  Fire Walk with Me 09:50, 13 February 2020 (UTC)


 * Sorry, I think it's me. Anything with the ACC prefix is for the Asian Cup, and the qualifiers will have the ICC prefix.  Lugnuts  Fire Walk with Me 09:54, 13 February 2020 (UTC)


 * Haha yeah it's a touch confusing. There will be a Western region qualifier for the 2021 WT20 World Cup in Kuwait, apparently in April, and an Eastern qualifier yet to be announced. Meanwhile, the ACC Western Region T20 (Oman) and ACC Eastern Region T20 (Thailand) (which are usually biennial) are doubling up as Asia Cup qualifiers this year. The thing I am not sure of on the season pages is that we are displaying all of the ICC WC qualifiers as '2020 ICC T20 World Cup XXX qualifier', because the qualifier takes place in 2020... but they are for the 2021 WC not the 2020 edition... curses having two WCs in two years! Bs1jac (talk) 10:03, 13 February 2020 (UTC)


 * Thanks! I'm going to look at the names of the qualifiers a bit later too.  Lugnuts  Fire Walk with Me 10:05, 13 February 2020 (UTC)


 * Given that the Eastern and Western qualifiers for the Asia Cup (i.e. not for the World Cup!) are being advertised as the latest editions of the ACC Western/Eastern Region T20 tournaments, I have relabeled these here and here. This should also help to distinguish them from the Western and Eastern Regional qualifiers for the 2021 World Cup. Feel free to take a look and adjust if you think necessary. Bs1jac (talk) 12:09, 14 February 2020 (UTC)


 * Brilliant - that makes it a lot clearer. Thanks for this.  Lugnuts  Fire Walk with Me 12:11, 14 February 2020 (UTC)


 * Quick related follow-up to this - I assume Iran are making their T20I debut in this tournament?  Lugnuts  Fire Walk with Me 20:38, 21 February 2020 (UTC)


 * Yep, I believe so. Bs1jac (talk) 20:42, 21 February 2020 (UTC)


 * Bit of a shock to see that Oman didn't qualify! I guess they were shown no Qatar....  Lugnuts  Fire Walk with Me 12:56, 25 February 2020 (UTC)
 * Indeed! I wasn't that surprised they lost to Qatar (it's unpredictable T20, and Qatar have been playing well). More surprising was that Qatar lost to Bahrain so heavily and so have to play UAE for a place in the Asia Cup Qualifier, despite finishing ahead of Oman. These narrow NRR differences are fun... rather like the European qualifer last year or USA helping PNG snatching ODI status from Canada. Bs1jac (talk) 13:02, 25 February 2020 (UTC)
 * By my calculations, it looks like Nepal are out, even if they win their last two matches. Good job the ICC didn't auto-progress them to the Global Qualifiers for the 2021 T20I World Cup...!  Lugnuts  Fire Walk with Me 11:51, 3 March 2020 (UTC)
 * I hope so, but if Hong Kong beat Singapore tomorrow, Nepal beat Singapore and Thailand, and then HK beat Malaysia, that would be HK=8, Sin/Nep/Mas all on 4. If Sin beat HK tomorrow, they are through as HK/Sin still have to play each other and Nepal would be out. Maybe give Nepal a bye to the WC final? Bs1jac (talk) 11:55, 3 March 2020 (UTC)

Frank Akankwasa
Hi there - I see that you declined the speedy deletion of Frank Akankwasa. As indicated by the nominator, Lugnuts, who is one of the biggest contributors within cricket articles, this person currently fails WP:NCRICKET as point 4 in full reads "Have appeared as a player for an Associate team in a Twenty20 International match after 1 July 2018 in either a World T20 (men or women), Global Qualifier (men or women), or Regional Final (men only)". This player has so far only appeared in 3 associate level T20I matches that were not part of any of these more notable tournaments, only a bilateral series. The series itself is notable, but the players within are not unless they meet this (or another) criteria. Hence the deletion is required, and indeed I believe the same article has been deleted once before for the same reason. Bs1jac (talk) 21:10, 20 February 2020 (UTC)


 * Thanks. I'd not checked since I replied to see if anything had been done (or not). - please could you take a look at the comments and let either of us know if there's still an issue?  Thanks.  Lugnuts  Fire Walk with Me 22:23, 20 February 2020 (UTC)
 * Hi all. I have no problem with the outcome. The article was nominated for speedy deletion, I declined the speedy deletion, reasons were given why the speedy decline was incorrect, the article was speedily deleted, and as a result a total of zero drama occurred. From my point of view I made a mistake that I should have known far better than to do, erm, I learned something useful from this that I can apply in similar situations in the future. Thanks all. Pete AU aka --Shirt58 (talk) 10:13, 21 February 2020 (UTC)


 * - thanks for taking a look at this. Much appreciated.  Lugnuts  Fire Walk with Me 10:29, 21 February 2020 (UTC)

Ali Narouei (Iranian Cricketer)
@Bs1jac Hi! How do you know that the 1Cap numbers 1 and 13 (Ali Mohammadipour and Ali Narouei) are the same player with duplicate profiles? Sohan2014 (talk) 14:19, 25 February 2020 (UTC)


 * Hi there. Because the ACC Match Centre scorecard shows the player as Ali Mohammadipour. In addition, each team in the tournament has a 14-man squad; Iran would have used 15 players. We are 99.99% sure on this. Cricinfo do quite often duplicate players; they quickly fixed one Maldives player earlier in the event. Bs1jac (talk) 14:24, 25 February 2020 (UTC)

Thanks, I’ve asked them to correct the scorecard. Sohan2014 (talk) 14:31, 25 February 2020 (UTC)
 * No problem... I asked them yesterday as well, so hopefully they will sort it soon. I reported the Maldives player on Sunday and they fixed it within an hour or two (Ameel Mauroof + Ahmed Mauroof, who is actually Ameel Ahmed Mauroof :) ). Bs1jac (talk) 14:33, 25 February 2020 (UTC)

Despite having their editor in Oman they (CI) ended up doing this mess. Sohan2014 (talk) 16:16, 25 February 2020 (UTC)

Africa qualifier
Hi, just FYI I have been sent 1 page from the tournament guide for the Africa qualifier (from someone at Emerging Cricket, who got it from the Sierra Leone board). Looks like all associate members will be taking part except for Gambia and (less surprisingly) Mali. For the sub-regional stage, the groups were drawn as follows. It says that only the winner of each group goes on to the Regional Finals (with Kenya and Nigeria). Group A: Uganda, Ghana, Lesotho, Malawi, Rwanda, Seychelles, Swaziland/eSwatini Group B: Botswana, Cameroon, Mozambique, Tanzania, Sierra Leone, St Helena I didn't see this part, but the guy from Sierra Leone apparently said that Group A would be in Stellenbosch, South Africa, which would be odd as the group includes Rwanda who we read would be hosting group B. Anyway, we can't do anything until the details are published, but just in case you are interested. Come on St Helena! Bs1jac (talk) 14:31, 25 February 2020 (UTC)


 * Great news - thanks for the heads up. I'll pick eSwatini in the sweep-stake! :D  Lugnuts  Fire Walk with Me 15:49, 25 February 2020 (UTC)

ICC qualifiers
Morning. Hope you and your family are well. No doubt you've seen the ICC update about the qualifiers - at least that's something to go on for now. Fingers crossed for post-June.  Lugnuts  Fire Walk with Me 08:58, 26 March 2020 (UTC)


 * Hi, yep saw that this morning. So many teams due to make a debut, so I hope they get played at some point, but not sure how Europe will be played if it goes on beyond August. Also the Brazil women tour of Argentina is off, and I expect the last of the 3 Belgium series to go too. In the meantime, do stay safe! Bs1jac (talk) 12:21, 26 March 2020 (UTC)


 * Hello. Hope you are doing OK during lockdown. I've added a ref to the Euro group saying all three sub-groups (and the final) and now taking place in Spain. Fingers crossed!  Lugnuts  Fire Walk with Me 16:30, 7 June 2020 (UTC)


 * Excellent spot. A shame for the original hosts, but good to see they are still planning to play them. I wonder what happens if the 2020 WC is cancelled? Would guess qualified teams would play the 2021 event instead... and maybe expand the event with a few extra teams from the qualifiers. PS: European cricket in November?!? Bs1jac (talk) 16:44, 7 June 2020 (UTC)

Alan Jones
Hi Bs1jac. Hope all is well. I don't know if you've seen the news about Alan Jones being awarded an England cap today? Not sure how this works with the List of England Test cricketers page. All the sources are in Jones' article. Thanks.  Lugnuts  Fire Walk with Me 11:35, 17 June 2020 (UTC)

As far as I am aware, it has no affect as the source is CI and this does not include him. If it happened in a match played today, I suspect players who debut in the future would keep their original number rather than reduce by 1, but I suspect the numbering wasn't officially in use back in 1970 anyway. Bs1jac (talk) 11:49, 17 June 2020 (UTC)


 * Thanks. The ECB have given him cap 696 - the next unused number. Not sure if the ICC will agree with this!  Lugnuts  Fire Walk with Me 11:58, 17 June 2020 (UTC)


 * Oh that's interesting. CI won't cope with that as they base numbers purely on the database, so we might see their numbers different to 'official' ECB numbers. They are often different in CI compared to Associate teams who count matches before official T20I status, but would be irritating for a full member. Bs1jac (talk) 12:08, 17 June 2020 (UTC)


 * Indeed! Cricinfo have the full story too.  Lugnuts  Fire Walk with Me 12:09, 17 June 2020 (UTC)