User talk:Bstark247

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January 2012
Welcome to Wikipedia. Although everyone is welcome to contribute constructively to the encyclopedia, your addition of one or more external links to the page Work Out (song) has been reverted. Your edit here to Work Out (song) was reverted by an automated bot that attempts to remove links which are discouraged per our external links guideline. The external link(s) you added or changed (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6PN78PS_QsM) is/are on my list of links to remove and probably shouldn't be included in Wikipedia. If the external link you inserted or changed was to a media file (e.g. a sound or video file) on an external server, then note that linking to such files may be subject to Wikipedia's copyright policy, as well as other parts of our external links guideline. If the information you linked to is indeed in violation of copyright, then such information should not be linked to. Please consider using our upload facility to upload a suitable media file, or consider linking to the original. If you were trying to insert an external link that does comply with our policies and guidelines, then please accept my creator's apologies and feel free to undo the bot's revert. However, if the link does not comply with our policies and guidelines, but your edit included other, constructive, changes to the article, feel free to make those changes again without re-adding the link. Please read Wikipedia's external links guideline for more information, and consult my list of frequently-reverted sites. For more information about me, see my FAQ page. Thanks! --XLinkBot (talk) 19:06, 27 January 2012 (UTC)


 * [[Image:Information.svg|25px|alt=|link=]] Please do not add inappropriate external links to Wikipedia. Wikipedia is not a collection of links, nor should it be used for advertising or promotion. Inappropriate links include (but are not limited to) links to personal web sites, links to web sites with which you are affiliated, and links that attract visitors to a web site or promote a product. See the external links guideline and spam guideline for further explanations. Because Wikipedia uses the nofollow attribute value, its external links are disregarded by most search engines. If you feel the link should be added to the article, please discuss it on the article's talk page rather than re-adding it. Thank you. Aspects (talk) 15:27, 29 January 2012 (UTC)

Hi I am not adding Inappropriate links. The links I add are to the official artist website so Wikipedia readers can see the latest news/info about the band. Although Wikipedia editors are pretty fast at adding new information to a bands page. I have found the most current information about a band is on their Official Website not on their Wikipedia pages. I also link to lyrics of a song on that song's Wikipedia's page. The only reason the lyrics are not on the song's Wikipedia's page is because of Copyright laws. Of course people would like to see the lyrics on a song's Wikipedia's page. Please consider all the Wikipedia song pages of Public Domain songs have the lyrics on the song's Wikipedia page. Examples http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cotton-Eyed_Joe http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Danny_Boy etc. So its a given that people want to see lyrics. The only reason the lyrics are not posted on the pages I link from are because of copyright issues. I also post links to the Official Music Videos for the same reasons as the post to lyrics. You can listen to Public Domain songs on Wikipedia. Go here and press the "play" button on any song http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Sound/list People want to hear the song on a Wikipedia song page, but because of Copyright issues they can't. So the next best thing would be to link to a Copyright complaint website. Going back to linking the Official Bands website. Here is a current example. Nowhere on the Black Keys Wikipedia pages does it mention that the Black Keys are headlining Coachella, as a Black Keys fan that's a pretty big deal and news I would like to know of. The Coachella news was posted on the Black Keys Official Site Jan. 9th http://www.theblackkeys.com/news

I hope this gives you more insight as to why my links make for a better user experience for Wikipedia readers.


 * In the past week you have been here, all of your edits to articles have been adding these links, which makes it seem like you are link spamming to get people to look at the website. I ask that you let some discussion happen instead of adding these links or reverting back to your links since seven different editors and a bot have reverted your edits, showing that there is widespread concern with them. I would even advise starting a discussion at WP:LYRICS to get some outside opinions and letting all of the editors that reverted you about the discussion, so some sort of consensus can be find. Aspects (talk) 17:50, 31 January 2012 (UTC)\

Hi, Thats a great idea. As you said I have only been here a week and still getting the feel of things. I posted on the talk page [|here] under "External link to copyright compliant lyrics" I assume that is the correct protocol? Bstark247 (talk)

Lyrics
Please do not add links to copyright violating sites such as http://www.lyricsnmusic.com. Especially do not attempt to edit war to get them included: other editors have removed the copyright problems you have inserted, and you have failed to discuss the problem. Instead, you have simply reinserted the violation.&mdash;Kww(talk) 11:36, 28 January 2012 (UTC)

My Responce to Lyrics
Regarding Kww comment - http://www.lyricsnmusic.com is one of the few legal lyric sites. It sources it's lyrics from http://www.lyricfind.com/about-lyricfind/ and publishers are paid - Lyrifind has amassed licensing from over 2,000 music publishers, including all four majors. Sorry for not discussing it. I will note that lyricsnmusic is a legal lyric site on future edits.
 * Show me where you find that. I agree Lyricfind.com appears legal, but all I can find on lyricsnmusic.com is http://www.lyricsnmusic.com/submissions/new which allows any user to submit lyrics.&mdash;Kww(talk) 23:05, 28 January 2012 (UTC)

To Kww - If you look just below the last line in the lyrics you will see credits and a link to lyricfind as an example on "Set Fire To the Rain" http://www.lyricsnmusic.com/adele/set-fire-to-the-rain-lyrics/25121826 just below "Let it burn" (the last line of the lyrics) you will see "add comment" then the Lyricfind credits and the link to LyricFind. Lyricsnmusic is one of the few legal lyric site out there and the only one I know of that does not have annoying pop-up banners.

As a side note. I know for the last 15 years lyrics sites have been rouge sites so I understand your skepticism. However things are changing for the better.

I hope this clears everything up and I can go back to contributing to the music community without editors thinking I'm linking to copyright violating sites.
 * Hi, Bstar247, the option to submit user-generated content is concerning as that makes the reliability of the site questionable. Could you give very specific quotations from specific pages in sites that may prove that these links are OK? Even if credits are provided, that does not establish the reliablility of the site as a whole. As far as I know, among the most reliable sites for lyrics are the official sites of the artists. Thank you! — WP: PENGUIN  · [ TALK ]  00:13, 8 February 2012 (UTC)

Hi WP Penguin The user generated lyrics are meant for Indie Bands and Bands that LyricsFind does not have deals with their record companies. Here is an example of a user generated lyric page Link if you look at the bottom of the lyrics you will see "Powered By LYRICSnMUSIC" this means the lyrics are not from the LyricFind Data Base. However most of the lyric pages are powered by LyricFind. Here is an example of a page powered by LyricFind link at the bottom of these lyrics you will see the credits and the link to LyricFind that means the lyrics are coming from the LyricFind Data Base. This allows Lyric to be displayed by both large and small bands. I think it's important to only link to lyric pages that are powered by LyricFind, then you are sure it's 100% copyright compliant. I started a discussion about external links [|here] Bstark247 (talk) 01:15, 8 February 2012 (UTC)

Your recent edits
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RE: External links
No one has said anything "in it is incorrect" b/c they haven't responded to it yet. If you want this site you proposed to have a chance and be kept, instead of being reverted, you have to get consensus from other, preferably established editors. I've asked a couple to comment to your post at Wikipedia talk:Lyrics and poetry, and you should do the same. The editor who added another lyrics site to Take Care is just some amateur whose received warnings for disruptive editing and continues to make dubious changes without explaining them, so I foresee his recent edit being reverted. Also, please sign your post to talk pages by typing four tildes at the end, like this: ~. It renders your linked user name and date/time you posted. Dan56 (talk) 00:08, 8 February 2012 (UTC)

Hi Dan, Thanks for the info - I will see if we can get a discussion going and come to a consensus. Bstark247 (talk) 01:15, 8 February 2012 (UTC)

Additions of http://lyricsnmusic.com

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This is the final warning that you will receive regarding your disruptive edits. The next time you insert advertising or a spam link, you may be blocked from editing without further notice. Persistent spammers may have their websites blacklisted from Wikipedia. --Hu12 (talk) 00:51, 30 May 2012 (UTC)'

Hi Hu12 - Can you tell me what rule is violated by linking to an artist controlled copyright compliant site? Bstark247 (talk) 02:16, 30 May 2012 (UTC)