User talk:Buaidh/Archive 2011

Invitation to join WikiProject United States

 * Done. -- Buaidh  16:11, 4 January 2011 (UTC)
 * Great, Welcome to the Project!. Please let me know if you have any questions, commments or suggestions.--Kumioko (talk) 17:26, 14 January 2011 (UTC)
 * Im glad to see that you are getting WPColorado going again. --Kumioko (talk) 17:26, 14 January 2011 (UTC)

New Years Message for WikiProject United States
With the first of what I hope will be monthly newsletters I again want to welcome you to the project and hope that as we all work together through the year we can expand the project, create missing articles and generally improve the pedia thought mutual cooperation and support. Now that we have a project and a solid pool of willing members I wanted to strike while the iron is hot and solicite help in doing a few things that I believe is a good next step in solidifiing the project. I have outlined a few suggestions where you can help with on the projects talk page. This includes but is not limited too updating Portal:United States, assessing the remaining US related articles that haven't been assessed, eliminating the Unrefernced BLP's and others. If you have other suggestions or are interested in doing other things feel free. I just wanted to offer a few suggestions were additional help is needed. Please feel free to contact me if you have any questions, comments or suggestions or you can always post something on the projects talk page. If you do not want to recieve a monthly message please put an * before your name on the members page.--Kumioko (talk) 02:44, 12 January 2011 (UTC)

WikiProject Colorado
I want to continue (slowly) working on this project; thanks for your recent message. Soon I will create an article about a Colorado river. Thanks and kind regards, Jeffrey Beall (talk) 20:12, 15 January 2011 (UTC).

Administrator?
Hi - Poking through your talk page archives it appears no one has ever asked you if you have any interest in being an administrator. Poking more, I see you were blocked once for disruptive editing. Do you have any interest in being an admin? I haven't perused your contribs, but one would think 80,000 over 4 years should be enough to establish that you're not a vandal (!). If you're interested, I'd be happy to nominate you (although I might want to look at what happened with the block in some detail first). Totally up to you. BTW - it was nice meeting you today. -- Rick Block (talk) 22:00, 15 January 2011 (UTC)

WikiProject Colorado
Was a pleasure to meet you today! I was taking a look through some of the Colorado articles, and looking at a couple (Roxborough State Park and Golden Gate Canyon State Park), they could use a bit of expansion. I'm sure I can find plenty of photos of at least both of these to place on Commons, as well. Something you might be interested in helping point out a few sources for? Seraphimblade Talk to me 23:03, 15 January 2011 (UTC)

TenWiki
I had fun talking with you today, and hope we can meet up some time in the future. —Preceding signed comment added by Nicky Nouse (talk • contribs • wikia) 01:56, 16 January 2011 (UTC)

TenWiki redux
The Tenwiki thing in Boulder library was interesting, though I had to leave early. Thanks for working with Neal to set this up (I'm guessing you two worked together). Made a few of the articles you linked to on my talk page. None is War and Peace, but starts. Oh well. My initial article on houseplant I commented on is infinitesimal, but over the years grew into a monster.

dino (talk) 04:37, 16 January 2011 (UTC)

WP Colo rejuvenated
I will be happy to get back into the Project, as I was active in 07 and 08, cleaning up WP Colo and its related Proj articles. I'll review the To-Do List in more detail and take on some. Thank you for taking the initiatve in the Proj. Cheers, Lance.... LanceBarber (talk) 02:55, 17 January 2011 (UTC)

Thanks for checking up on this. I had been worried WP Colo was fading a bit. I would be interested in starting and expanding Rail transport in Colorado and I'll set to it later today if I can. It will be my first. I may consult similar entries as well for structure and content help. Any suggestions would be welcome. Srwalden (talk) 21:03, 18 January 2011 (UTC)


 * I'd be happy to climb on board project colorado for a fairly narrow range of topics, specifically, labor history, some aspects of coal and hardrock mining, and some railroad history. best wishes, Richard Myers (talk) 12:09, 4 March 2011 (UTC)

Outline update 2011-01-18, and an invitation...
If you'd like to use the main page with outline links instead of portal links, then you can set Main Page alternative (outline links) as your default main page. See the instructions.

Outlines now have an alert page at WikiProject Outlines/Article alerts. Be sure to watchlist it.

Tarheel95 and Robert Skyhawk are working on a project to track traffic to outline pages. Speaking of traffic...

A discussion on outline traffic analysis has been started on the Outlines WikiProject talk page. You are cordially invited to participate. Your input is greatly needed on possible ways to increase the availability of the outlines. I look forward to seeing you there.

Sincerely, The Transhumanist 04:41, 19 January 2011 (UTC)

Turquoise Lake
Hi Buaidh, I've been to Turquoise Lake in Leadville many times. I'm sure there are a zillion Turquoise Lakes in the world, but the redirect was created solely for the Leadville one simply because, up until now, there had been no redirect. I see you're a registered PE, so I'm sure you have a good reason for removing my redirect? Otherwise, I'll simply reinstate it, if that's alright with you. –  Ker αun oςc op ia◁ galaxies  19:12, 19 January 2011 (UTC)


 * I responded on my talk page. Thanks for getting back to me, that was an excellent point! –  Ker αun oςc op ia◁ galaxies  19:53, 19 January 2011 (UTC)

WikiprojectColorado > WikiprojectBuaidh?
Your arbitrary and unilateral reclassification of my membership in WikiprojectColorado is quite over-zealous, if not presumptuous. I know that you mean well, but just because I don't work on the articles you believe I should be working on does not mean that I am inactive. Please check out my contributions to Colorado-related artcles and fotos. Plazak (talk) 20:52, 21 January 2011 (UTC)

Thank you, but I can't
I'm flattered that you've invited to work with WP Colorado, but I don't think I can do it, because I don't know much about the state of Colorado, I do not live there, I never have, but I do plant to possibly maybe visit someday. Arilicious (talk) 22:11, 22 January 2011 (UTC)

Taylor River (Colorado)
Dear Mr. Buaidh: I created a page for Taylor River (Colorado), and I invite you to have a look and make any improvements. I plan to continue working on Colorado geographical features pages. Sincerely, Jeffrey Beall (talk) 01:50, 23 January 2011 (UTC).

New WikiProject United States Newsletter: February 2011 edition
Starting with the February 2011 issue WikiProject United States has established a newsletter to inform anyone interested in United States related topics of the latest changes. This newsletter will not only discuss issues relating to WikiProject United States but also: You may read or assist in writing the newsletter, subscribe, unsubscribe or change the format in which future issues will be delivered to you by following this link. If you have an idea for improving the newsletter please leave a message on my talk page or the Newsletters talk page. --Kumioko (talk) 20:36, 4 February 2011 (UTC)
 * 1) Portal:United States
 * 2) the United States Wikipedians Noticeboard
 * 3) the United States Wikipedians collaboration of the Month - The collaboration article for February is Nineteenth Amendment to the United States Constitution
 * 4) and changes to Wikipolicy, events and other things that may be of interest to you.

WikiProject Colorado
I would love to continue to remain active in the project! I can continue to work on the project on a somewhat constant basis, and hope to improve the articles revolving around the Centennial State -Mailman9 (talk) 00:57, 5 February 2011 (UTC)

Template:Mycats
Template:Mycats doesn't seem to have had a lot of uptake. What did you have in mind for it? Normally, userboxes will insert categories by &lt;includeonly> tags, and on user pages it's simple enough just to write the category invocation. — This, that, and the other (talk) 06:23, 12 February 2011 (UTC)
 * Template:Mycats was designed to be a subroutine call from Template:Uir, but was replaced my an internal routine. I don't know if it will have any other use.   Buaidh  21:00, 12 February 2011 (UTC)
 * Can it be deleted? It doesn't seem very useful on its own. — This, that, and the other (talk) 09:35, 13 February 2011 (UTC)
 * Yes, if you wish.  Buaidh  18:51, 13 February 2011 (UTC)

Granite article
Hi there, Would you please take a look at the Granite article? I wrote it, but with very little information available and the fact that it has been almost a ghost town for a long time, it is mostly about the history of the town and gold mining in Colorado. I worked on it so hard and feel so very passionate about this area that I am unable to read the article with a critical eye. All things considered, I don't feel that it needs to be too dry, but on the other hand I don't want it to sound like a travel brochure. Perhaps it could be argued that the information is too broad (Royal Gorge for instance), though I'd like to keep it. But at this point I am just too close to it and am unable to judge my own creation. Also, although I feel that I did a fairly good job with the writing, it is not a natural talent for me and perhaps could use some tweaks. If you don't have time, perhaps you know someone that would be interested in helping me. I also have some photos that I'd like included, but I have not been able to figure out how to do it. Thanks. Gandydancer (talk) 08:19, 13 February 2011 (UTC)
 * The Granite, Colorado article now has all kinds of information. Thanks for all your work.   Buaidh  15:30, 22 February 2011 (UTC)

Mountain peaks of Colorado
The article Mountain peaks of Colorado may have run into a Wikimedia software bug due to it's complexity. Templates near the end of the article, such as the reference list are not being processed. Do you have any ideas on how we can work around this problem or how to get it fixed? --Footwarrior (talk) 16:01, 21 February 2011 (UTC)
 * The problem involves the processing time required to complete all the templates and varies with the time of use and the current number of users. Mountain peaks of Colorado currently works fine for me.  If this problem recurs on a regular basis, we may need to either reduce the size of the tables or split the article into pieces.   Buaidh  02:49, 22 February 2011 (UTC)
 * Thanks for the reply. Is this timeout a problem when the article is viewed or when the article is saved? I just checked and the reference list didn't show up. We might have to break the article up or find another work around. --Footwarrior (talk) 15:15, 22 February 2011 (UTC)
 * I cut the most isolated peaks list back to 40 summits and everything works now.  Buaidh  15:28, 22 February 2011 (UTC)
 * Looks like that worked. Thanks. --Footwarrior (talk) 12:00, 23 February 2011 (UTC)

Outline collaboration
Here's the latest addition to the religion section of Portal:Contents/Outlines. Wikipedia has rich coverage on this subject. Very interesting, especially from sociological and historical perspectives.


 * Outline of Sikhism

This is a call to all members of the Outline WikiProject and outline aficionados to help refine this outline. It needs annotations, missing topics added, and the entries in the general concepts section placed in more specific sections.

Come join in on the fun and get acquainted with members of the WikiProject.

User talk:The Transhumanist 04:28, 2 March 2011 (UTC)

Userboxes
Hi, why are you changing people's userpages. I reverted this edit. That user is "interested in Canada" is not the same as the user "lives in Canada". Garion96 (talk) 18:49, 3 March 2011 (UTC)
 * We have transferred most of the functionality of Template:User interest Canada to Template:User in Canada. I am in the midst of fixing template invocations.  Please see Template:User in Canada and Template:User in Puerto Rico for all the new options.  Thanks,  Buaidh  18:54, 3 March 2011 (UTC)
 * That's all nice and well. But that still doesn't explain why you changed a userbox on another user's page from stating "This user is interested in Canada" to "This user is a resident native citizen of Canada" See this edit. So please fix that before continuing. Garion96 (talk) 19:05, 3 March 2011 (UTC)
 * read "This user is a native citizen of the Canada" until I changed it at 18:31 UTC today in a coordinated effort to simplify the maintenance of 1200 userbox templates. I changed the template invocation to  which reads "This user is a resident native citizen of Canada".   Buaidh  19:16, 3 March 2011 (UTC)
 * Compare the Canada userbox in the userpage before you changed it here and after you changed it here and see the difference. Garion96 (talk) 19:23, 3 March 2011 (UTC)
 * Or do you mean it said before you changed the userbox the same as it does now. If so than the meaning now is indeed still the same. It doesn't seem that much of an improvement though if even the old settings don't work anymore. Garion96 (talk) 19:26, 3 March 2011 (UTC)
 * Template:User interest Alberta is in the old format and Template:User in Alberta is in the new format. I was asked to change the format by a number of users.  Among other things, the old format had 18 options and the new format has 53 options.  There is a new option corresponding to each of the 18 old options.   Buaidh  19:37, 3 March 2011 (UTC)
 * Asked for a second opinion at Administrators%27_noticeboard/Incidents. If the meaning is indeed the same, my apologies. I just don't want people's user pages to be changed not by themself. Garion96 (talk) 19:42, 3 March 2011 (UTC)
 * That's fine. I'll be happy to answer any questions.   Buaidh  19:49, 3 March 2011 (UTC)
 * I looked at both the old and new options for the template, and IMO some effort should have been made for back-compatibility, i.e. keep the same option numbers that were already there but then add the new ones, which would have left most people's User pages unchanged unless they wanted to go in and change the option. I'd say WP:IFITAINTBROKE applies. But that's just me, YMMV. --Alan the Roving Ambassador (talk) 19:53, 3 March 2011 (UTC)

User categories
Your recent change to Template:User WP Mexico appear to have changed the category for participants in that project from Category:WikiProject Mexico participants to Category:WikiProject Mexico members. Assuming that this was intentional, you also need to fix the two category description pages. Also, many users in that project seem to be using Template:User WikiProject Mexico 2 on their userpages, and that one still assigns pages to the "member" category; unless you fix that template too, the membership of the project will be split between two categories. --R'n'B (call me Russ) 11:20, 4 March 2011 (UTC)
 * I apologize for my error. It would be far easier if every WikiProject used either "participant" or "member".  I have fixed both Template:User WP Mexico and Template:User WikiProject Mexico 2.   Buaidh  14:53, 4 March 2011 (UTC)

Thanks!
Thank you for correcting the error on my user page. I have a question how does one go about archiving his talk history? Intoronto1125 (talk) 18:20, 4 March 2011 (UTC)
 * You can create one or more archive pages at User talk:Intoronto1125/Archive and move old conversations over to it. I number my archive pages by year, User talk:Intoronto1125/Archive 2010, etc.   Buaidh  18:26, 4 March 2011 (UTC)

Do you play chess?
Outline of chess The Transhumanist 23:12, 1 April 2011 (UTC)
 * Unfortunately, I'm a curmudgeon. We have no game.   Buaidh  23:03, 2 April 2011 (UTC)

April 2011 Newsletter for WikiProject United States
--Kumioko (talk) 17:28, 6 April 2011 (UTC)

Invitation to take part in a pilot study
I am a Wikipedian, who is studying the phenomenon on Wikipedia. I need your help to conduct my research on about understanding "Motivation of Wikipedia contributors." I would like to invite you to a short survey. Please give me your valuable time, which estimates only ‘’’5 minutes’’’ cooldenny (talk) 16:01, 14 April 2011 (UTC)

Nomination of Index of Clipperton Island-related articles for deletion
A discussion is taking place as to whether the article Index of Clipperton Island-related articles is suitable for inclusion in Wikipedia according to Wikipedia's policies and guidelines or whether it should be deleted.

The article will be discussed at Articles for deletion/Index of Clipperton Island-related articles until a consensus is reached, and anyone is welcome to contribute to the discussion. The nomination will explain the policies and guidelines which are of concern. The discussion focuses on good quality evidence, and our policies and guidelines.

Users may edit the article during the discussion, including to improve the article to address concerns raised in the discussion. However, do not remove the article-for-deletion template from the top of the article. Robofish (talk) 23:58, 5 May 2011 (UTC)

May 2011 Newsletter for WikiProject United States
.--Kumioko (talk) 01:55, 6 May 2011 (UTC)

Template RCdoc
Hi Buaidh. The RCdoc template has the unfortunate property of directly placing every category of the form "Wikipedians by US state" and "Wikipedians by Canadian province" in Category:Wikipedians by location. These should only appear in the subcategories Category:Wikipedians in the United States and Category:Wikipedians in Canada respectively. It's also the case for states in Mexico. The current situation makes it much harder to find stuff in Category:Wikipedians by location. Cheers, Pichpich (talk) 15:05, 5 June 2011 (UTC)
 * I have fixed Template:RCdoc/r and Template:RCdoc/res. These affect:
 * The six states and two territories of Australia
 * The ten provinces and three territories of Canada
 * The 28 states and seven union territories of India
 * The 31 states and the Federal District of Mexico
 * The seven emirates of the United Arab Emirates
 * The four nations of the United Kingdom
 * The 50 states and the District of Columbia of the United States
 * It will take a day before all categories are rearranged. I plan to replace Template:RCdoc in the not too distant future.  Yours aye,  Buaidh  18:20, 5 June 2011 (UTC)
 * Great! Thanks, Pichpich (talk) 18:33, 5 June 2011 (UTC)

Front Range Urban Corridor
I just nominated this page for deletion. Unfortunately, the primary references I could find for this term were the wikipedia article and various wikipedia mirrors. Additionally, the references are of primary research material. In my view, the entire article is [WP:OR|original research]] as it defines what the term is and includes references to primary research material. Wikipedia should be summary of the notable and reliably sourced research done by others - not the creation of new works. Feel free to oppose or comment on the afd page: Articles for deletion/Front Range Urban Corridor -- Trödel 12:52, 8 June 2011 (UTC)

Thanks for the invitations
Hi Buaidh, and thank you for the gracious invitations. I've been mostly inactive for a few years...and would love to jump back in on WikiProject Colorado. Think I'll start with work on some of the State Park articles. Also--dayyam, I am in the middle of a vacation trip in the high country on June 25, else I would love to be at the Blue Note. -tstockma (talk) 8 June 2011 —Preceding undated comment added 03:24, 9 June 2011 (UTC).

June 2011 Newsletter for WikiProject United States
--Kumioko (talk) 17:18, 12 June 2011 (UTC)

WikiProject United States History
Greetings, It was recently suggested that WikiProject United States History might be inactive or semiactive and that it might be beneficial to include it in the list of projects supported by WikiProject United States.

I have started a discussion and will contact each of the active members for their comments and input on the suggestion. Please take a moment and add your comments to the discussion or feel free to contact me if you have any questions. --Kumioko (talk) 19:43, 16 June 2011 (UTC)

Your user page
Hi. For a decidedly random reason, I happened to look at your User page today. It took a long time to load, presumably because the impressively large array of userboxes. Then I noticed that it is included in Category:Pages where template include size is exceeded. I don't know how serious an issue that is, but I suppose you might want to think about splitting some of the content off to subpages. Just a thought. --Orlady (talk) 23:17, 18 June 2011 (UTC)

Your opinion would be appreciated
As a member of WikiProject Countries, I'm seeking your opinion on a possible issue identified at List of sovereign states. If you have some spare moments, please contribute a comment at the Discussion of criteria. Best regards,  Night w   04:52, 20 June 2011 (UTC)

Articles for deletion/Outline of relationships
Another outline saved from deletion. The outliine was revamped/overhauled, and the AfD withdrawn.

Before → After].

The outline is not yet complete. There are still some missing topics, and it needs annotations and pictures. The Transhumanist 01:13, 29 June 2011 (UTC)

Outline of green politics (eom)
Undergoing expansion/restructuring. Please take a look to see if you can spot anything it needs. Thank you. The Transhumanist 19:53, 6 July 2011 (UTC)

Nomination for deletion of Template:User WP South Sudan
Template:User WP South Sudan has been nominated for deletion. You are invited to comment on the discussion at the template's entry on the Templates for discussion page. —Justin (koavf)❤T☮C☺M☯ 19:38, 8 July 2011 (UTC)

Undiscussed changes
Why have you changed this userbox without prior discussion? The new version substantially changes the appearance of the userbox. Two standard-sized images have been replaced for one non-standard-sized image.. -- Scjessey (talk) 20:46, 9 July 2011 (UTC)
 * The new Template:User from England is part of a new series of 2555 regional userbox templates. The new templates have a standard appearance and additional functionality.  All flag images have a standard height of 45 pixels and a proportional width.  I'll be happy to revert this template back to the previous template if a consensus so wishes.  Yours aye,  Buaidh  20:56, 9 July 2011 (UTC)
 * I'm all for standardising templates, but why use an non-standard image size? Take a look at the userboxes on my page and you'll see the new userbox sticks out like a sore thumb -- Scjessey (talk) 21:04, 9 July 2011 (UTC)

Centralized discussion of some US census-related issues
With the 2010 Census data becoming a focus for a lot of editing activity, I think we need a US-wide discussion of editing conventions. I've started this at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject United States, which I think is an appropriate venue for it. First topic there is Describing/naming census designated places. Knowing of your interest in US place articles, I think you might be interested in contributing. Please participate in that discussion, if you see fit, and add more topics. --Orlady (talk) 19:14, 10 July 2011 (UTC)

Template redirect
Hello. You recently edited Template:User interest Punjab so that it is a redirect to itself. I'm sure that's not what you intended to do, but I can't figure out what you did intend, so I can't fix the error. --R'n'B (call me Russ) 14:20, 14 July 2011 (UTC)
 * This should have been Template:User interest Punjab #REDIRECT Template:User interest Punjab (India). I have corrected the redirect.  Yours aye,  Buaidh  13:14, 15 July 2011 (UTC)

July 2011 Newsletter for WikiProject United States
--Kumioko (talk) 23:58, 23 July 2011 (UTC)

Template:User Australia
Hello there. Without any explanation, you recently changed the fundamental meaning of Template:User Australia by changing its text from "this user comes from Australia" to "this user lives in Australia". There are over 500 Australians linked to that userbox; many of us no longer live in Australia, so you rendered all our profiles inaccurate. Also, there was already a userbox carrying the text "this user lives in Australia" so it's completely unclear why you made the edit. I have reverted it. Please do not do anything like this again. If you have made other similar edits, then please revert them yourself. Rubywine (talk) 12:18, 30 July 2011 (UTC)
 * I apologize for the mix-up. I was fixing several templates with incompatible labels and categories, and I changed Template:User Australia by mistake.  Residents of Australia may use Template:User in Australia.  Yours aye, -- Buaidh  16:02, 1 August 2011 (UTC)

100,000 edits
I completed my 100,000th edit to the English Language Wikipedia today after 4 years, 8 months, and 13 days. Hopefully, my next 100,000 edits will proceed a bit faster. My thanks to all of you who helped me. Yours aye, Buaidh  17:32, 2 August 2011 (UTC)

Suggestion to pull WikiProject Wyoming under WikiProject United States
It was recently suggested that WikiProject Wyoming, to which you are a member, may be inactive or semi active and it might be beneficial to include it in the list of projects supported by WikiProject United States. After reviewing the project it appears that there have not been any active discussions on the talk page in some time and the only content updates appear to be simple maintenance so being supported by a larger project might be beneficial. I have begun a discussion on the projects talk page to see how the members of the project feel about this suggestion. --Kumioko (talk) 00:37, 4 August 2011 (UTC)

Suggestion for WikiProject United States to support WikiProject Colorado
It was recently suggested that WikiProject Colorado, to which you are a member, may be inactive or semi-active and it might be beneficial to include it in the list of projects supported by WikiProject United States. After reviewing the project it appears that there haven't been much active discussion on the talk page in some time and the only content updates appear to be simple maintenance so being supported by a larger project might be beneficial. I have begun a discussion on the projects talk page to see how the members of the project feel about this suggestion. Another user has added the project to the WPUS template and I added it to the list of supported projects in the WPUS main project page but before I take any further action I wanted to contact each of the active members for their input. --Kumioko (talk) 23:16, 7 August 2011 (UTC)

Suggestion for WikiProject United States to support WikiProject Nebraska
It was recently suggested that WikiProject Nebraska, to which you are a member, may be inactive or semi-active and it might be beneficial to include it in the list of projects supported by WikiProject United States. After reviewing the project it appears that there haven't been much active discussion on the talk page in some time and the only content updates appear to be simple maintenance so being supported by a larger project might be beneficial. I have begun a discussion on the projects talk page to see how the members of the project feel about this suggestion. Another user has added the project to the WPUS template and I added it to the list of supported projects in the WPUS main project page but before I take any further action I wanted to contact each of the active members for their input. --Kumioko (talk) 13:58, 8 August 2011 (UTC)

Congratulations
Buster Seven   Talk  14:37, 8 August 2011 (UTC)
 * A sterling milestone!!! Congrats!!!, Lance.....LanceBarber (talk) 04:40, 12 August 2011 (UTC)

Additions to 'see also' section
You appear to be adding "see also" entries to a good number of state articles. In theory, I have no objection to adding relevant links; but the majority of the new links already exist in the body of the article - and as a general rule, I'm not a big fan of needless redundant clutter. So, I object to the mass additions of these links.

Is there an existing discussion that took place on these additions? They seem to be discouraged per WP:ALSO, "Links already integrated into the body of the text are generally not repeated in a 'See also' section, and navigation boxes at the bottom of articles may substitute for many links." --- Barek (talk • contribs) - 22:43, 11 August 2011 (UTC)


 * Agree. Please don't. Editor Spyder Monkey also reverting.
 * Also "main" template is for important articles summarized in the text. e.g. under "Alabama", if there were a History subsection, I might have a "main" template to "History of Alabama" with a summary in the Alabama article. But not in the "See also" section. Thanks. Student7 (talk) 21:53, 13 August 2011 (UTC)


 * When used in the ==See also== section of an article, Template:Main refers to articles that encompass the entire range of the subject article, i.e., an outline or index of the subject. This has been accepted practice for a number of years.  I suppose we could create another template such as “General reference:”, but this would involve altering thousands articles.  What are your thoughts?  Yours aye,  Buaidh  15:58, 14 August 2011 (UTC)


 * Addition of this sort of thing is not supported in WP:ALSO.
 * Template "main", signifies the location of the "main" article for that particular subsection. Under "See also", what would "main" indicate? "See also" is merely a catchall subsection for topics/links not performed above. There can be no main for that particular subsection, nor for any of the rest of the bottom subsections: "Reference", "External links," "Notes." None can have a "main" template. The other sections might have "main" articles linked elsewhere" History, Geography, Geology, Notables, etc. might have articles that are longer and merely summarized in the article. Student7 (talk) 20:39, 14 August 2011 (UTC)


 * I disagree. WP:ALSO clearly does not preclude the use of Template:Main, and I believe outlines and indexes are quite appropriate here.  Please see WikiProject Outlines.  Where else would you have outlines and indexes linked?  Yours aye,  Buaidh  21:07, 14 August 2011 (UTC)


 * "Outlines" are merely aids to editors, usually written after the fact, one reason why we have such a sloppy or undefined link between the federal level of US government and local government (except the state article itself). The outline is nearly useless.
 * If they could be hidden from regular readers, maybe they could be made more useful to editors who might try to keep them up, but I doubt it.
 * Perhaps in an article or essay about outlines, one would have a summary and a "main" pointer to the actual outline? Student7 (talk) 21:15, 14 August 2011 (UTC)

The object of a Wikimedia outline is to present a systematic presentation of the various important aspects of a subject and provide easy user access to articles of interest. You definitely should join WikiProject Outlines and "straighten the mess out". We could really use your help. Yours aye, Buaidh  21:24, 14 August 2011 (UTC)


 * Just got back from out of town. In a discussion under manual of style (see Wikipedia_talk:Manual_of_Style_(layout)), editors appeared to agree with you that outlines were acceptable in the See Also subsection. We all seemed to agree that "main" templates, by whatever name, should not be in a "See also" subsection. Student7 (talk) 18:44, 2 September 2011 (UTC)

North America
Hello. Previous discussions had been held and we reached a consensus at this page. I've reverted your hatnote for Mexico in the countries table because it is not necessary. It will only help to continue to spread a misconception that Mexico, in whole or in part, belongs to Central America which is false. Kinda the same that you asked about Turk and Caicos and Bahamas. Neither the Mexican government or the Central American countries consider Mexico part of that region. Most importantly, no reputable geographic source considers Mexico part of that region. It seems (accordingly to Encyclopaedia Britannica) that some physiographers describe physiographically (duh!) Central America as far as Mexico's Isthmus of Tehuantepec. But that's not a mainstream view. Also and most importantly this is already included in the article prose, in the appropiate sections. So, again a hatnote is not necessary in the countries table.

On the other hand a hatnote is very useful in the case of Bahamas and Turk and Caicos and I totally support it. But in the case of Mexico, it wasn't accurate and as I already said, it helped create a misconception about its geographic locale.

The UN geoscheme cannot be used as a geographic reference because, well it is not a geographic source but a statistical one, and because of the following:
 * According to the United Nations, the assignment of countries or areas to specific groupings is for statistical convenience and does not imply any assumption regarding political or other affiliation of countries or territories.

So the categorization of particular countries in this geoscheme by the UN, was totally arbitrary and the UN aknowledges that. So it cannot be used as a geographical source. In this case is problematic, and completely inaccurate. Thanks for reading this loooong message. Cheers.  Alex Covarrubias  ( Talk? )  22:50, 12 August 2011 (UTC)

Template:Temt
Isn't Temt essentially redundant to tlp (which has existed for several years, and is linked from all the other tl family of links)? --- Barek (talk • contribs) - 00:39, 15 August 2011 (UTC)


 * I created Template:Temt because I needed some functionality not provided by Template:Tlx or the other Tl's. Yours aye,  Buaidh  00:45, 15 August 2011 (UTC)


 * At my age, I have trouble remembering what I did yesterday. I created Template:Temt to handle template names with explicit Template: namespace and templates outside of the Template: namespace.  Otherwise, I tried to make Template:Temt as much like Template:Tlx as possible.  Please see the differences below.

= trivial case =    =    =     =    =     =    =


 * Yours aye, Buaidh  01:17, 15 August 2011 (UTC)

Category:Wikipedians in Latin America
Hi, I wanted to let you know (in case the page is not on your watchlist) that I re-deleted Category:Wikipedians in Latin America under CSD criterion G4: recreation of material deleted via a deletion discussion (see here). -- Black Falcon (talk) 04:00, 18 August 2011 (UTC)

Template:WPbox
Question my new friend - I see you have been updating the Template:WPbox for all of us - "good job". However I do see something wrong happening as seen here and here were the left optional parameter is not functioning. Moxy (talk) 02:23, 25 August 2011 (UTC)
 * I'm very sorry. I changed the horizontal alignment parameter on Template:WPbox, Template:WGbox, Template:Pbox, and Template:NBbox from   to  .  I've updated the two pages above.  Thanks for letting me know.  -- Buaidh  05:01, 25 August 2011 (UTC)

Categories for discussion nomination of Category:Myanmar user templates
Category:Myanmar user templates, which you created, has been nominated for discussion. If you would like to participate in the discussion, you are invited to add your comments at the category's entry on the Categories for discussion page. Thank you. —Justin (koavf)❤T☮C☺M☯ 06:23, 26 August 2011 (UTC)

WikiProject Colorado
Greetings Buaidh, I noticed you made a bunch of updates of content to the main page of the project. Would it be ok if I setup JL-Bot to automate this? --Kumioko (talk) 01:08, 28 August 2011 (UTC)
 * Thertainly!  Buaidh  01:52, 28 August 2011 (UTC)
 * Ok I just checked and it looks like its already done. --Kumioko (talk) 02:32, 28 August 2011 (UTC)

Template:Satop
Hello again my new friend - great job with Template:Satop - just one thing though - could we get the parameter "nocomm=" to be the defaulted to off and/or removed. This is for 2 reasons - Firstly - Wikimedia Commons is an external link, not an internal link. The "See also" section should be reserved for  internal navigation when ever possible - Secondly, but related to the first is that most main pages already have commons link in the External links section by way of the Sister project links template, thus we are duplicating a external link for no reason. Pls see United States as an example were Wikimedia Commons is there in the wrong place and there 2 times - I see this is happening in our FA and GA article that work hard on having  things in the right place and not be duplicated  as seen at Canada and Australia. I really like this template and dont want to see it removed because of this one small problem that the hardcore FA and GA people may not like.Moxy (talk) 05:55, 31 August 2011 (UTC)
 * While Wikimedia Commons is external, it is often considered to be internal to all its sister projects. Nevertheless, I'll default it off until told otherwise.  Yours aye,  Buaidh  06:01, 31 August 2011 (UTC)
 * Done. -- Buaidh 06:05, 31 August 2011 (UTC)
 * To be honest with you I agree that it should be considered  internal - However people have argued the fact that users have to login with a different account (if they dont have a universal account) shows its separation and it should not be treated any differently then all the other sister projects - and is why for GA and FA articles commons is preferred  in the External links section with its sister links. Here I disagree again with most as all the other wikis use commons  and thus, it should be treated differently.Moxy (talk) 06:13, 31 August 2011 (UTC)

Hi Buaidh. I noticed that in the new Satop template that there is both an "Index of BLANK-related topics" and "List of BLANK-related articles". Most of the time, and on Washington, D.C., that is the same thing. Could you please check on that? Thank you, epicAdam(talk) 15:08, 13 September 2011 (UTC)

September 2011 Newsletter for WikiProject United States
--Kumioko (talk) 04:53, 5 September 2011 (UTC)

Changes to display of footnotes in national articles
Hi Buaidh, I reverted one of these to Scotland and then noticed that it was a mass change by a regular user. Is there some discussion or guideline that I am unaware of that prompted this change?-- SabreBD  (talk)  15:23, 12 September 2011 (UTC)
 * The minimum column width functionality was added to Template:Reflist in April 2011. Eager editors have changed the References section of many articles from number of columns to minimum column width.  The choice of which to use makes relatively little difference.  I personally prefer to use   rather than   because the latter produces an unpredictable number of columns depending on the current browser setting.  Yours aye,  Buaidh  15:45, 12 September 2011 (UTC)
 * It seems a bold series of edits for a personal preference. I have a preference for precisely because it adapts to the browser setting, which I thought was the point. But its a mild preference. A bigger problem is when reflists are set to 3 (or more) columns, which displays badly on some browsers. I had thought of the 30em as a solution to that problem. Happy to explore the issue if it comes up somewhere, but not prepared to argue about it. All the best.--  SabreBD  (talk)  23:10, 12 September 2011 (UTC)
 * I have reverted a few of this additions then noticed there is many of them by you. You are aware that  lets screen size set the columns rather then forcing them set at 2 or 3 etc. If you are aware 30em -  could you explain the rational behind  forcing  set columns on our readers? Moxy (talk) 01:06, 13 September 2011 (UTC)
 * I personally don't have strong feelings on the issue of number of columns versus minimum column width. I think that minimum column width is a nice feature to have, but I think it should be used sparingly.  I think   is generally preferable to   for references.  A predictable number of columns is usually easier for a user to deal with than a range of column widths.  This observation is based on my 41 years of software and user interface development.  I made these changes merely as an aside to other article changes.  I hope you're not reverting other changes.   Buaidh  13:18, 13 September 2011 (UTC)
 * You are aware that setting the columns will make and over page on many many screens sizes - meaning they have to side scroll because we are forcing the columns and there screen is not big enough. will make it so that the columns will not cause over paging because if there is only room for one then one one will appear. And no just reverted this additions (I think 3 of them) - On a side note portals and see also section should be in Alphabetical order - we have many many pages were people are going back  having to fix the see also section because its not in the proper order -  (in some cases simply reverting your additions). ABC order in the see also section is generally a  requirement  for GA and FA articles. Why because all should be ABC order this way we are not showing any preferences  for a certain link or portal.. Moxy (talk) 15:05, 13 September 2011 (UTC)

1. I'm quite aware of screen size issues, but I think consistency of layout is a greater issue for the majority of users. Minimum column width is a really cute feature, but it can add to user confusion.

2. Alphabetical order is required for the list of articles in the See also section, but it is not required for portal boxes. For regional articles, a regional hierarchy makes far greater sense. Yours aye, Buaidh  15:21, 13 September 2011 (UTC)


 * Very interesting reasoning, not sure that your preference is what all would like to see but o well. I personally see this as non issue, but user accessibility is always preferred  over personal style preferences.  But like I say not really concerned (I will not revert this changes)  just was wondering your reasoning for this edits. All the best my friend.Moxy (talk) 02:20, 14 September 2011 (UTC)

Concerns about Satop
Hi, I've just come across this template for the first time because Yorkshire is on my watchlist.

A couple of pointss;


 * 1) I don't think the addition of the headline "Additional, more specific, and related topics may be found at:" is either useful (a personal view) or (as far as I can see) allowed by WP:SEEALSO. Has it been discussed anywhere? (I also raised it at Wikipedia_talk:Manual_of_Style/Layout before I thought of coming here to your own talk page).
 * 2) What set of articles is the template intended to be used on? If less than 100% of articles with "See also" sections, then the reader will be left puzzled as to why some have the "headline" and others don't.
 * 3) I'm puzzled by the statement "''The See also section of a Wikipedia article should normally terminate with either a

template or a navagation bar template.''". As far as I know the SA section normally terminates with the start of the References section, and any navbox doesn't come until after External Links (WP:FOOTER lists the sections). Is that statement telling me to add clear at the end of every "See also" section?

Pam D  23:08, 14 September 2011 (UTC)
 * You raise some excellent points about Template:Satop.
 * There seems to be a great deal of confusion among editors as to what belongs in the See also section of an article. I added an optional headline to Template:Satop in an attempt to to add a human touch to a possibly incoherent collection of internal links.  The default headline can either be changed to something more meaningful or changed to default to no headline.
 * Template:Satop was designed to be used in articles referenced by WikiProject Outline of Knowledge, but I {hopefully} made it sufficiently general to be used in any article.
 * I added the note about terminating the See also section because Template:Satop is dynamic and may change in appearance as additional portals are created. An invocation of Template:Clear at the end of the See also section keeps Template:Satop from running into the References section.  I added the navbar reference because some editors add relevant navbars to the end of the See also section, but that reference is superfluous and I will remove it.
 * I would like to hear your comments. Yours aye,  Buaidh  14:09, 15 September 2011 (UTC)

Hello Buaidh. I made a to an edit you made at Haiti, because I couldn't understand why you had added a non-existent portal to the Satop parameters. Now I see from your contributions that you have made similar edits to many countries' articles, and I'm still puzzled. Reading a comment you made above, I am guessing that you are making provision for new portals that might be created in future? Please consider using the edit summary to make your intentions clear. Thanks. – Wdchk (talk) 18:43, 26 September 2011 (UTC)


 * The Template:Satop documentation explains how the template may be used. Yours aye,  Buaidh  18:50, 26 September 2011 (UTC)


 * Thanks for your response, but I have already read the documentation and that wasn't my question. I was asking why you were adding the names of non-existent portals to Satop in various countries' articles? I'm sure there's a good reason, but I was asking here because there is no edit summary to explain your intentions. Thanks. – Wdchk (talk) 19:01, 26 September 2011 (UTC)


 * Template:Satop may be used to list geographic, political, historical, and other associations with an article. If and when a portal is created for that association, it is shown.  Satop also creates a search reference for all its parameters.  For example, a search engine can tell that Haiti is associated with CARICOM even if the Caribbean Community is not mentioned in the article.   Buaidh  19:10, 26 September 2011 (UTC)

Seeking a new (higher) standard for outlines
I've been working on Outline of chess to be a possible model for outline developers to follow. Please let me know what you think of it. All comments are welcome. Since you've done so much work on outlines, I'd really like to read your opinion of this one. Thank you. I look foreward to your reply. The Transhumanist 02:49, 27 September 2011 (UTC)

Ongoing Mauritius Discussion
Hello, just letting you know there is an ongoing discussion in the category of Mauritius.

The discussion is about redirecting List of Mauritian musicians to List of Mauritians. A big edit which deleted most of the names (all of the non-notables) has left 4 names, all of which are already in the article list of mauritians. I've seen you edit mauritius alot, and we are desperate for votes. Voting is here. Bar Code Symmetry  (Talk) 02:03, 28 September 2011 (UTC)

Mystery
Please solve this mystery if you can...

On September 23rd, traffic to Portal:James Bond doubled, and has stayed at the new level since then. I can't figure out what happened.

See http://stats.grok.se/en/201109/Portal%3AJames_Bond

Traffic to Outline of James Bond stayed the same (though it was at the higher-level already), which leads me to suspect changes made somewhere in Wikipedia.

See http://stats.grok.se/en/201109/Outline%20of%20James_Bond

I'd like to find out what happened, in case it reveals helpful link placement tips that can double the traffic to outlines.

I look forward to your reply. The Transhumanist 22:12, 5 October 2011 (UTC)

''P.S.: I noticed your Sar and Satop templates. Nicely done.''

Annotations needed
The annotating of the entries on Portal:Contents/Outlines is nearing completion.

Annotated entries look like this:


 * Basketball – team sport in which two teams of five players try to score points by throwing or "shooting" a ball through the top of a basketball hoop while following a set of rules.
 * Canoeing and kayaking – two closely related forms of watercraft paddling, involving manually propelling and navigating specialized boats called canoes and kayaks using a blade that is joined to a shaft, known as a paddle, in the water.
 * Cricket – bat-and-ball team sport, the most popular form played on an oval-shaped outdoor arena known as a cricket field at the centre of which is a rectangular 22-yard (20.12 m) long pitch that is the focus of the game.
 * Martial arts – extensive systems of codified practices and traditions of combat, practiced for a variety of reasons, including self-defense, competition, physical health and fitness, as well as mental and spiritual development.

Entries needing annotations look like this:


 * Industry – 
 * Construction –
 * Architecture –
 * Machines –
 * Industrial machinery –
 * Robotics –
 * Mining –

Please go to Portal:Contents/Outlines' and fill in as many missing annotations as you can, even if it's only one or two. Every little bit helps!

Thank you. The Transhumanist 00:17, 7 October 2011 (UTC)


 * Thank you Buaidh for the technology/applied science annotations. The Transhumanist 00:39, 8 October 2011 (UTC)

Buaidh, concerning outlines and their leads
Buaidh,

As you may have noticed, the outline project is still hotly controversial, and while support is very strong, certain criticisms have been raised against outlines again and again.

One of the main criticisms is about content forking. Whether or not outlines violate CFORK is debatable, but the outline feature that outline protesters keep pointing out is the lead sections - which are the same as in articles. The inclusion of a copy of the subject's main article in outline leads has brought a lot of heat to the outlines. Upon first glance, the lead makes outlines look like duplicates of articles, and this can be very disconcerting to some editors. I believe it is the element that triggers most of the deletion debates.

The problem must be solved soon, as recurring criticisms spark new anti-outline debates from time to time, which endanger the existence of outlines, and eat up an inordinate amount of editors' (and especially my) time.

So, I've started working on a solution...

I've trimmed and reformatted the leads of all the outlines in the Culture and the arts section and have moved the introductory sentence to the top, and now they look like this (without the lines):

The following outline is provided as an overview of and topical guide to theatre:

Theatre (also theater) – branch of the performing arts concerned with acting out stories in front of an audience using combinations of speech, gesture, mime, puppets, music, dance, sound and spectacle &mdash; indeed any one or more elements of the other performing arts. Bernard Beckerman defines theatre as what "occurs when one or more human beings, isolated in time and/or space, present themselves to another or others."

That makes the lead section the location for the primary list entry. This matches the annotation format of the design the outlines are evolving into: fully annotated structured topics lists. For examples of outlines for which their list entries have been annotated or are in the process of being annotated, see:


 * 1) Outline of forestry
 * 2) Outline of cell biology
 * 3) Outline of chess
 * 4) Outline of basketball
 * 5) Outline of cricket
 * 6) Outline of culture
 * 7) Outline of food preparation
 * 8) Outline of geography
 * 9) Outline of tennis

I've reformatted the leads of those outlines too. The list entry in the lead blends the lead into the rest of the outline better. It matches the annotations in the body of the outlines.

But there are 534 outlines, and that's more than I can handle right now. At the rate I'm going, it will take me weeks to get all of the lead sections cleaned up.

I need the help of a prolific editor who is familiar with outlines who pumps out 1000s of edits as if he were a gatling gun.

I need your help.

We all do.

Outlines do.

Sincerely, The Transhumanist 00:39, 8 October 2011 (UTC)

Re: Template:Sar
The items in the template are not of any of the types that WP:ITALIC lists as proper uses of italics. Article titles as links aren't italicized unless WP:ITALICTITLE applies, which a blanket by-default italicization obviously does not account for. --Cyber cobra (talk) 10:28, 20 October 2011 (UTC)
 * Since the links to (1.) the outline of the subject, (2.) the bibliography of the subject, and (3.) the index of articles related to the subject are special-case articles, and no other article links are italicized, I shall revert your change. Yours aye,  Buaidh  14:17, 19 October 2011 (UTC)
 * Please could you point me to Wikipedia's definition of "special-case articles", and a reference to the MOS or elsewhere stating that links to them should be italicized? Thanks. – Wdchk (talk) 19:09, 19 October 2011 (UTC)
 * Wikipedia has no definitions. These articles are the work of WikiProject Outlines and WikiProject Indexes.   Buaidh  19:18, 19 October 2011 (UTC)
 * WikiProject style guides don't override Wikipedia-wide rules, especially when the templates in question merely link to outlines/indices as opposed to being used in outline/index articles. I see nothing in WP:ITALIC or WP:ITALICTITLE which would suggest the italicization of titles of outline/index articles. List article titles aren't italicized; outlines and indices are types of lists; therefore, outline/index titles aren't italicized, QED. --Cyber cobra (talk) 10:35, 20 October 2011 (UTC)
 * Why then are the names of Wikipedia portals italicized? Yours aye,  Buaidh  13:24, 20 October 2011 (UTC)
 * Dunno, but WP:OTHERCRAP. Perhaps because they're in the separate  namespace? --Cyber cobra  (talk) 01:30, 21 October 2011 (UTC)

Survey for new page patrollers
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Denver Mountain Parks
Hi Buaidh-- any interest in this topic? MattWright was helping me early on, but he doesn't seem to be active lately. I've been attempting to do some cleanup on pages (e.g., Dedisse Park and Bergen Park) and discovered Denver was credited with Elk Meadow Park, so fixed that. That latter page needs work! (They all do.)

Any ideas who else can help on this? I could use some advice from someone more expert at WP. Thanks! Araucana (talk) 17:06, 27 October 2011 (UTC)

Protected Areas
Another question, if you don't mind... In the page [|National Historic Landmarks in Colorado] why don't we have a category for National Natural Landmarks in the table at the end? All the other "Protected areas" seem to be listed. I searched in Protected Areas for a while before I found the page [|Categories of Protected Areas US] which does list them, but it seemed a little cryptic. An x-ref on the NHL page (as both are admin. by NPS) would seem reasonable.

Thanks! --Araucana (talk) 00:05, 29 October 2011 (UTC)
 * I've added National Historic Landmarks to the Template:Protected Areas of Colorado. Your aye,  Buaidh  15:20, 30 October 2011 (UTC)

Hello again. I decided to pester someone else this time, so added a note on cats etc. at User talk:Vegaswikian, but as it's Colorado-related, I thought you might want to check it out and weigh in. Thoughts? --Araucana (talk) 17:16, 28 December 2011 (UTC)

User-ecologist
I still think this page you created is a useful category. Any ideas how we can promote/populate it? --Araucana (talk) 12:50, 30 October 2011 (UTC)
 * I've posted the userbox at Userboxes/Profession and WikiProject_Ecology. If you know anyone who may wish to use it, you could let them know.  You could occupy the category, until other users find it.  Yours aye,  Buaidh  14:36, 30 October 2011 (UTC)

Arunachal Pradesh user templates
Hi, I see about 5 templates, with some inter-related transclusions, which no one is using other than yourself, in some sub-pages.


 * Template:User citizen Arunachal Pradesh
 * Template:User interest Arunachal Pradesh
 * Template:User WP Arunachal Pradesh


 * Template:User from Arunachal Pradesh
 * Template:User in Arunachal Pradesh

Can this be consolidated and/or removed? If not, then some further information about these would be useful for me to learn more about these templates.

Categorization of these templates are at two different levels, namely, Category:Arunachal Pradesh templates & Category:Arunachal Pradesh user templates‎ (two separate groups above). I wonder why.

Thanks. VasuVR ( talk,  contribs ) 07:12, 7 November 2011 (UTC)
 * I've moved these five templates to Category:Arunachal Pradesh user templates, which is a subcategory of Category:Arunachal Pradesh templates. We are in the process of moving all these regional user templates to the user templates categories, but there are over 2000 of them, so many still need to be moved.


 * Four of these templates invoke Template:User in Arunachal Pradesh. These four templates were added to make it easier for new users to identify themselves, but the four are not themselves essential.  I have not had time yet to identify these templates at WikiProject Arunachal Pradesh.  Yours aye,  Buaidh  21:08, 7 November 2011 (UTC)


 * I've posted the templates at WikiProject Arunachal Pradesh. Thanks for letting me know.  Yours aye,  Buaidh  21:28, 7 November 2011 (UTC)

U.S. state outline development - your comments are needed
I've undertaken the refinement of the U.S. state outlines.

Alabama • Alaska • Arizona • Arkansas • California • Colorado • Connecticut • Delaware • Florida • Georgia • Hawaii • Idaho • Illinois • Indiana • Iowa • Kansas • Kentucky • Louisiana • Maine • Maryland • Massachusetts • Michigan • Minnesota • Mississippi • Missouri • Montana • Nebraska • Nevada • New Hampshire • New Jersey • New Mexico • New York • North Carolina • North Dakota • Ohio • Oklahoma • Oregon • Pennsylvania • Rhode Island • South Carolina • South Dakota • Tennessee • Texas • Utah • Vermont • Virginia • Washington • West Virginia • Wisconsin • Wyoming

Please browse through them and let me know what you think. All observations are welcome. The Transhumanist 00:57, 20 November 2011 (UTC)

Colorado outlines
Hi Buaidh, I recently finished work on my first outline Outline of domestic violence and I'm thinking about doing outlines for:
 * Prehistoric people of Colorado
 * Ancient Basketmaker and Pueblo people, a subset of the first item and with plenty of information

I'm told you're the person to talk to about that. I thought I'd do some outreach because I have additional articles to write for this topic, but would like to focus my energy on the items that would be most useful and notable for Wikipedia generally and the outline. The articles I've written or worked on so far are here.

Do you have any thoughts or suggestions? Or, would it help if I got drafts started in my user space?--CaroleHenson (talk) 18:53, 27 November 2011 (UTC)


 * I went ahead and started Outline of Colorado prehistory‎ (I meant to do it in my user space and forgot a step.) It is under construction and absolutely can be modified based upon your thoughts.--CaroleHenson (talk) 20:12, 27 November 2011 (UTC)


 * It's hard to know if you think the outline is a good idea or not, but since I've not heard that you've got a concern I'll go ahead and work on it some more. If you have a concern, though, would you mind letting me know?--CaroleHenson (talk) 19:58, 30 November 2011 (UTC)

Colorado Timeline
Hello, Buaidh. I just added a couple items to the Timeline of Colorado history (great page, btw) re: Red Rocks Amphitheatre, which seems to me to be sufficiently notable. If you disagree, feel free to undo. If refs are needed, see. I'd like to see more about New Deal projects in the 1930s section. If that's okay, I'll try to add a couple of items in the near future. Thanks! Araucana (talk) 15:01, 5 December 2011 (UTC)
 * Thank you.  Buaidh  17:18, 5 December 2011 (UTC)
 * You're welcome, but I only added two. Thank YOU for all the new items you entered today!! Araucana (talk) 00:16, 6 December 2011 (UTC)

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Template:Sar
I was updating the /doc pg for Template:Sar, and I noticed that there are only nine "r" links in that template. When I was checking Template:Satop, because it invokes 'sar', it uses ten links. I'm wondering if this will cause a problem in not displaying the tenth link. Appreciate your help! Thanks, --Funandtrvl (talk) 17:53, 16 December 2011 (UTC)
 * I changed Template:Satop to only take 9 "r" links within the "sar" template. Hopefully, this will sync the 2 templates. --Funandtrvl (talk) 22:13, 16 December 2011 (UTC)

Nomination for deletion of Template:MG
Template:MG has been nominated for deletion. You are invited to comment on the discussion at the template's entry on the Templates for discussion page. WOSlinker (talk) 20:24, 21 December 2011 (UTC)

Minnesota (and other states)
First, please stop adding info to article WP:LEADs that belongs in the body of the article (and noticeably, you are only adding this info to the lead, which should be a summary of the article's text). This population detail is of a level inappropriate to the lead of a broad overview article, besides that it's already in the infobox, and is only an estimate. Second, please see WP:OWN and discuss your edits before continuing. Thanks, Sandy Georgia (Talk) 02:51, 22 December 2011 (UTC)
 * Please feel free to move this information to a location you feel is more appropriate. Yours aye,  Buaidh  02:56, 22 December 2011 (UTC)
 * I did, and you re-added it. More importantly, you shouldn't be adding it to the lead of any article-- it belongs in demographics.  Others shouldn't have to clean up after you-- it would be more helpful if you'd add it in the right place to begin with (Minnesota is now corrected).  Regards, Sandy Georgia  (Talk) 02:57, 22 December 2011 (UTC)
 * That is where I put it originally.  Buaidh  03:01, 22 December 2011 (UTC)
 * Do you read article history and diffs? You put it in the lead, I moved it to Demographics where it should be, then you re-added it to the lead.  Someone might call that edit warring :) :) Anyway, seems resolved now, but please, if you're going to continue adding this estimate (which seems strange), please add it to the appropriate place in each article.  We don't put that kind of detail in article leads. Sandy Georgia  (Talk) 03:05, 22 December 2011 (UTC)
 * Sorry for the mixup. I edit rather extensively.  I'm straightening things out now.   Buaidh  03:10, 22 December 2011 (UTC)
 * Thanks :) (and unwatch) Sandy Georgia  (Talk) 03:15, 22 December 2011 (UTC)

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Unanswered question: Morrison, Colorado
Hi, Buaidh. I posted this question (on WP:COLO under communities) two months ago, and still would like an answer. I'm placing it here in hopes you can give me some advice or direct me to some appropriate person. Feel free to act, or make suggestions for me to pursue. Many thanks!! --Araucana (talk) 18:08, 28 December 2011 (UTC)
 * This is an interesting question. Articles about incorporated places are primarily about the incorporated city or town, but may also include information about the surrounding area including the postal address.  If you are discussing both the town and the surrounding area, just make that point clear.  In the case of Morrison, the fact that the surrounding area is so much more populous than the town itself is an important point of the article.  Yours aye,  Buaidh  18:20, 28 December 2011 (UTC)
 * Okay, took a stab at it, and tried to add some refs and fix others. Better than they were, though not to "cite web" etc. standards. Maybe later! Thanks for the help. --Araucana (talk) 23:57, 28 December 2011 (UTC)