User talk:Bublick439

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Thank you, infinity0! Bublick439 21:18, 6 April 2006 (UTC)Bublick439

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I disagree with your concrete proposal on the Stalin article, but I appreciate the fact- and scholarship-based approach that you are attempting to bring to the article. Keep up the good work. I hope to see you become an active contributor to Wikipedia. 172 | Talk 08:05, 7 April 2006 (UTC)

Thank you, 172Talk. It is nice having a debate with you in an unemotional and impersonal manner.

Bublick439 16:12, 7 April 2006 (UTC)Bublick439


 * You're quite welcome. I hope to see more of your edits in the future. 172 | Talk 06:40, 8 April 2006 (UTC)

Stalin
There is a reference actually 2 that have been sourced they say 20 million which is tens of millions BUT there is also another one which was added before but removed and re-added by me which says that gives the number of 4 million and that line has also been sourced by 2 sources.

If you read wiki guidelines then you will see that it says you may not remove any information that is relevant and has been sourced without haveing a source. Perhaps you could alter it to some studies say 10s of millions whilst the studies that have been done after the fall of the Soviet Union show around 4 million or something like that.

Also if you keep on reverting then you might get blocked there is a rule that says you may not revert an article 3 times within 24 houers.

(Deng 12:29, 8 April 2006 (UTC))

Thanks for your concern but I am not the one who is reverting. Please see the discussion on which sources are reliable here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Joseph_Stalin#Claims_and_statements_without_any_references

I can create a webpage that says Stalin killed one billion people and cite it as a source. This is a hotly contested topic and if you provide a source it has to be the most reliable source, which unfortunately excludes books, webpages, interviews and newspaper articles. A study published in a peer-reviewed history journal in Russia or in the West would be the least unreliable way to back up the claims one is making about the death toll. Bublick439 12:49, 8 April 2006 (UTC)


 * Well that is the thing wiki stress that the sources should be


 * 1. Articles should contain only material that has been published by reputable sources.


 * 2. Editors adding new material to an article should cite a reputable source, or it may be removed by any editor.


 * 3. The obligation to provide a reputable source lies with the editors wishing to include the material, not on those seeking to remove it.


 * http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Verifiability


 * So you see creating your own page wont help.


 * Also about the books, I think that any book or article written for or by an institution after the fall of the Soviet Union is a very good source. And I still think the best way is the middle ground which is stateing that some studies show this and that number and some other show that and that number. Otherwise the conflict will never end and everyone will get more and more angry which will give more and more problems. (Deng 16:40, 8 April 2006 (UTC))