User talk:Buckshot06/Archive 1

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Adding of categories
Welcome to wikipedia but I see that you are adding incorrect categories to articles. There is no need for the Air Force unit category as the articles already have a category that is a subset of that. They are redundant and will need to be removed. If you have any questions please drop me a line. Thanks--Looper5920 12:17, 5 August 2006 (UTC)
 * Sorry for the curt opening message but I was hoping to hold you up from making anymore edits that needed to be reverted. Welcome to Wikipedia and it is always good to see editors interested in US military history.  If this is your avenue of interest then I would suggest you take a look at the US Military Task force and join up if you think you can help us out.  Again, welcome and if you ever have any questions please drop me a line.--Looper5920 12:43, 5 August 2006 (UTC)

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British 12th Infantry
Hello - thanks for the message. You're correct - just rewrite it in your own words and you'll be fine.

I somehow have a nose for sniffing out copyvio... I looked at the website you referenced because I was sure it was in the public domain, but it says (link is at the bottom of the page, under 'Crown Copyright') that people can download to a file or printer, but all other use is copyrighted. That conflicts with US government work product, which is entirely in the public domain. We get lots of nice NASA pictures that way, 'cause they technically belong to us (Americans) anyway. :-D Happy editing - Baseball,Baby!   balls  •  strikes  08:19, 8 August 2006 (UTC)

You're so right. I'll have to be more careful with British Government pages in future. Cheers

Hello
Hi Buckshot just want to say you're doing great work on modern British units. I work on their WWII history but know quite a bit about the British Army today. If you need a hand with sources or links to back up information you have just ask I might be able to help. Tristan benedict 16:31, 9 August 2006 (UTC)

Hello mate. Do you mean the 5th Brigades (plural)? How many pages are there? By the way if you want to leave a message for someone use the discussion page and sign your name using the shift button and 4 tiles (that is the little squiggly thing on the hash key normally above the shift key). I do not know there real names! Hope you understood that. Doing that will leave a signature of your user name so others can identify you.

Back to the brigades though they are in a bit of a mess hey. What's happened is that the only list of British Army brigades has been with their WWII titles (British Brigades in World War II). I reckon we should create a list of the modern British Army brigade names, as they are used today. It would aid people using Wiki from the outside. The same problem exists for the WWI brigades. The other thing we could do is as you and I are doing already; amalgamate the different pages and have their whole history on one page, but I reckon that could get pretty big in the long run. What do you think? Tristan benedict 14:23, 10 August 2006 (UTC)

Holiday
I'm going to Boston (I'm a Brit) tomorrow for a holday, if I can get a flight, couldn't today to many damn terrorists! So if you don't get a reply for a couple of weeks don't take it personally. Tristan benedict 14:32, 10 August 2006 (UTC)

5th Division
Ahhh. I see what you mean. You were talking about the divisions. Same problem applies. People have already merged 5th Divisional titles from different periods and put them under one name. Not good. What we have to do here is create three separate pages. The division during each war had complex histories, and then followed by it's post WWII history would make that one hell of a big page. Is the 5th Division in existence right now? Tristan benedict 14:49, 10 August 2006 (UTC)

Ah, no. Check out some of the US divisions - United States 1st Infantry Division for example. Long, detailed articles about the whole history of the Div without swapping through two or three pages. I think that's the model to follow, and its a logical expansion for what I've been doing with some of the regional brigades. I really think this is the way to go. Buckshot06 21:21, 10 August 2006 (UTC)

Hi I'm back. I see what you mean about US divisions. For the World War II and onward divisions i see no problem and think it's a great idea but be careful with the World War I divisions. They have there own task force and they might get a little touchy! The problem is that the divisions between the two wars are extremely different, they do not have continuos histories, except of course for the regular divisions. 5th Division is looking better. Tristan benedict 11:58, 29 August 2006 (UTC)

Wikikampfgruppen!
Funny man. Thats good i like it. I had a great holiday thanks, first time in that part of the States. Great people in New England. Well as far as I know the Territorial Army divisions from 1914-1918 were disbanded within a couple years of that war, but the 1st Line divisions (that were created in 1907 or 1908) were reconstituted in 1920. The 2nd Line was reconstituted in September 1939 in reaction to the declaration of war. When the 2nd Line was reformed they were a little different from their WWI predecessors. Slightly different names and the regiments aasigned were different. Don't take this as gospel I'm still looking for information on them myself. You still having fun on Wiki? Tristan benedict 20:48, 31 August 2006 (UTC)

What i was thinking though was that as a unit in existence we should use it's present emblem at the top and place past emblems at the parts where that history is told, if you know what i mean? I'm definitly coming round to your way of thinking with an entire history of a unit. Tristan benedict 11:11, 7 September 2006 (UTC)

I went looking for it yesterday, found one but not in the public domain will try again now. Tristan benedict 09:09, 8 September 2006 (UTC)

When i find one we can use I'll put it at the top of the Infobox on 5th Div page. Tristan benedict 10:57, 8 September 2006 (UTC)

Hello
you seem to have left me a note to get in touch with you (in my talk page), but no further contact details (email?). Or we can use the talk pages here in Wikipedia. Cheers, Dhatz 20:20, 28 August 2006 (UTC)

JHC
Don't forget though that 2/3 of the JHC helicopter force is made up of units that are not part of the Army, and Land Command is an army formation. The distinction can be made by discerning readers who go to the JHC article. Hammersfan 11/09/06, 11.02 BST

Thanks
Thank you very much for the nice note regarding the Iraq and Afghan order of battle pages. I'd like to come up with a way to show the order of battle for all previous rotations as well, OIF and OEF, so your thoughts are welcome. As far as putting dates on formation changeovers, that's a good idea but I'd like to see an example of how you'd do that. Again, thanks for the compliments and I welcome any help you can give. Cheers, Dsw 16:10, 13 September 2006 (UTC)


 * Hi Buckshot06, thanks for adding the command and control section to the Iraq order of battle page. I added some more information to flesh it out and changed the style to make it conform to the the rest of the page. I hope it's OK with you. Cheers, Dsw 20:17, 18 September 2006 (UTC)

Hi Buckshot
You are doing a great job with the Divisions, I see the Wikikampfgruppe are not as bad as I thought. Tristan benedict 10:56, 16 September 2006 (UTC)

Thank you for experimenting with the page History of the Iranian Army on Wikipedia. Your test worked, and it has been reverted or removed. Please use the sandbox for any other tests you want to do. Take a look at the welcome page if you would like to learn more about contributing to our encyclopedia. A link to the edit I have reverted can be found here: link. If you believe this edit should not have been reverted, please contact me. Williamborg (Bill) 05:53, 23 September 2006 (UTC) Too fast. Apologies. Look forward to seeing how you incorporate. Williamborg (Bill) 05:56, 23 September 2006 (UTC)

2/135 GSAB
Thanks Buckshot for your contrib to the 2d Battalion, 135th Aviation Regiment article. I appreciate another set of eyes. Two questions. Keep up the good work. I have fond memories of my week on holiday with frequent evenings at the Dundry Royal British Legion, and my introduction to Skittles and a large group of fine folks. (I'm a Yank.) N2e 19:08, 28 September 2006 (UTC)
 * 1) Would you please look at the command structure represented there in the milinfobox? I'm fairly certain that it is out of date, as I believe it was more current during the five months training stateside in Texas.  I know the 2/135th reports to the 36 CAB, but now that the unit is in Iraq, I suspect the upper part of the chain of command is incorrect?  If you know how the 36th CAB is tied in, I would appreciate it if you would modify the article.
 * 2) Great work on the MNF-Iraq effort. Despite several searches on WP, I was not previously able to locate such an effort.  Every time I searched for Operation Iraqi Freedom, I get linked to a big debate (and questionable on NPOV) of Iraq War.  I could never seem to find a more detailed, an d neutral, military history of units going into and out of Iraq.  So the question is:  Is there a standard way to represent in unit articles a link to the MNF-Iraq article?  If so, feel free to make the addition.


 * Buckshot, thanks for your updates and work on the organization of the 2/135th. In response to my query, I received an email from the First U.S. Army Public Affairs office saying that "...related to the 36th CAB, but they are under the C2 of MNF-I."  I don't know how to interpret 'C2 of MNF-I.'  Do you?  I can send you the email if that will help.  N2e 04:04, 3 October 2006 (UTC)


 * Buckshot, in response to your question on my talk page, I asked for more info, using exactly the text you suggested. Here is what I got from the LTC in the PAO (Public Affairs Office?) in response:  "...MNC-I and MNF-I are two different echelons of command.  MNC-I works fpr MNF-I and handles the tactical day-day fight against the enemy.  The 36th CAB works directly for MNC-I."  I hope this provides you with what you needed. N2e 13:46, 11 October 2006 (UTC)

5th Division
Hey buck shot what do you think of the added info. Too much? Tristan benedict 11:08, 29 September 2006 (UTC)

Re: Soviet aircraft carrier Ulyanovsk
Meh, just removing the unsourced material is perfectly appropriate; it's his responsibility to provide sources if he wants it to stay.

If you have further trouble with the article, I would suggest leaving notes with the Maritime warfare task force and/or the Ships WikiProject; there will usually be someone around who'd be willing to help out a bit. Kirill Lokshin 01:52, 7 October 2006 (UTC)


 * Task forces don't have coordinators, per se. LordAmeth, one of the project's Assistant Coordinators, is a member of the task force, but I'm not sure that his interests include Soviet ships.  (More generally, there's nothing special about getting a coordinator involved here, as it's not a really complex disagreement; this is such a violation of basic policy that any outside editor ought to be sufficient in keeping the stuff out of the article until some references are forthcoming.) Kirill Lokshin 01:57, 7 October 2006 (UTC)

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Re: Falklands War wikiproject
Creating a new task force is actually somewhat more complicated than that—there's lots of places where its name will be used in templates, for one thing—so I'd much prefer if we could decide on a name first and do the page shuffling after that. (There's also a WikiProject War of the Pacific that can get absorbed into the same task force, incidentally.) The discussion of what the best name is has sort of died off and moved on to debating the Russian task force; but (assuming you're actually interested in participating), you can bring up the question again and we'll hopefully settle on the scope in short order. Thanks! Kirill Lokshin 02:37, 8 October 2006 (UTC)

Re: Requested Articles Page
Please feel free to remove anything that's been created; we try to keep the list more-or-less current, but it's a massive task trimming things out consistently, and any help would be very appreciated!

I'll try to go over the article in detail again tomorrow, but, from a quick skim, it seems to be much improved. Kirill Lokshin 05:22, 23 October 2006 (UTC)


 * It's a lot better than it was before. Aside from fleshing out the sections that still have those "Expand this section" tags on them, there are three points that I think could use improvement:
 * Reduce the use of bulleted lists in favor of prose or tables, as they tend to raise hackles at FAC.
 * Avoid making definitive statements about the future (e.g. "They will remain, to some extent, a military liability..." → "They are expected to remain, to some extent, a military liability...")
 * The "Bibliography" section should be titled "References" if the works were actually consulted as sources and "Further reading" otherwise.
 * Kirill Lokshin 13:17, 23 October 2006 (UTC)

Translating Military of Ukraine
I'd like to help out, but my Ukrainian isn't perfect, so it would take some time. I'm also busy in real life. I also want to devote some time to "tank" this week, since it's an official collaboration. But I could start translating the article a section at a time.

For starters, here's the contents. Let me know which sections you think are a priority. —Michael Z. 2006-10-25 03:27 Z 


 * I've completed a rough paragraph-by-paragraph translation of the History section, at user:Mzajac/Military of Ukraine. This is just a draft—I'm going to ask someone at portal:Ukraine to have a look at it.  Feel free to use or rewrite it as you see fit, but I suggest you wait a day or two until it's been reviewed.  Cheers. —Michael Z. 2006-10-26 05:42 Z 

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Mikhail Frinovsky
You classify Mikhail Frinovsky as a Military history.

Mikhail Frinovsky is not military figure. He didn't serve one single day in the army, neither as a private nor an officer; being a party political supervisor -"comissar"- doesn't count.

However he was a distinguished murderer, a "Deputy High Hangman" (until he reached his expiration at 1939), and as the great majority of these maniacs, he wore military outfit with a "Comandarm 1st class", an equivalent of 5 stars general, but this is not a military issue.

Two only things connect him with the red army: it was he who personally managed the great purge in the red-army top ranks in 1937-1938. And, when his own end was near, he was appointed "People's Comissar, Military Navy affairs". This does not make him a general either. It was just a Stalin's famous method to uproot a too powerful enemy and force him as far as possible from his devotees, so to make his liquidation easier. A some kind of home arrest, 600 km (the baltic or the Black sea) to 5000 kilometers (the Pacific ocean) from home !

AbuAmir 12:14, 26 October 2006 (UTC)