User talk:Buidhe/Archive 12

Move review for Telephone (game)
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New, simpler RfC to define trust levels for WikiLoop DoubleCheck
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DYK for Inwazja
Cwmhiraeth (talk) 00:02, 20 November 2020 (UTC)

DYK for Keep Talking (group)
&mdash; Amakuru (talk) 00:02, 21 November 2020 (UTC)

Third opinion:In praise of Blood
Good morning. Please see the talk page for in praise of blood. I would be grateful for your view. Regards, Springnuts (talk) 09:00, 21 November 2020 (UTC)

Disambiguation link notification for November 22
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Nazi racial theories
Regarding your undiscussed move of the article above from Nazism and race, do you realize that there exists another article, Racial policy of Nazi Germany? In what way do Nazi racial theories differ from their policies? Beyond My Ken (talk) 09:20, 22 November 2020 (UTC)
 * Beyond My Ken There is a distinction between racial theories (theoretical understanding of who was designated an "inferior race") and racial policies (discriminatory policies based on such bogus theories). Policies were affected by pragmatism as well as race theory, for instance the nations that agreed to ally with Nazis were treated better. "Nazism and race" is too vague for the article content—which focuses on racial theories—as well as violating WP:AND ("avoid the use of "and" in ways that appear biased. For example, use Islamic terrorism, not "Islam and terrorism""). (t &#183; c)  buidhe  09:29, 22 November 2020 (UTC)
 * I accept your argument. Beyond My Ken (talk) 20:08, 22 November 2020 (UTC)

DYK nomination of Living instrument doctrine
Hello! Your submission of Living instrument doctrine at the Did You Know nominations page has been reviewed, and some issues with it may need to be clarified. Please review the comment(s) at your nomination's entry and respond there as soon as possible. Thank you for contributing to Did You Know! Yoninah (talk) 20:30, 22 November 2020 (UTC)
 * Hi, the reviewer responded nearly 2 weeks ago. Are you returning to this nomination or should we mark it for closure as unsuccessful? Yoninah (talk) 20:30, 22 November 2020 (UTC)
 * Yoninah as I stated in the nomination, I believe that fulfilling the directions for what the reviewer considers NPOV would itself create an issue of undue weight to the perspectives he wants to be elaborated on. The article already discusses prominent criticisms of the doctrine. (t &#183; c)  buidhe  20:33, 22 November 2020 (UTC)
 * OK, thanks. I'll ask for a new reviewer. Yoninah (talk) 20:34, 22 November 2020 (UTC)

Template:Did you know nominations/Die Schutzbefohlenen
Hi again. The nominator has been waiting for your reply on her alt hook. Yoninah (talk) 20:46, 22 November 2020 (UTC)

DYK for Nazis and Nazi Collaborators (Punishment) Law
&mdash; Amakuru (talk) 00:01, 23 November 2020 (UTC)

Category:Jewish escapees from Nazi concentration camps has been nominated for merging
Category:Jewish escapees from Nazi concentration camps has been nominated for merging. A discussion is taking place to decide whether this proposal complies with the categorization guidelines. If you would like to participate in the discussion, you are invited to add your comments at the category's entry on the categories for discussion page. Thank you. Rathfelder (talk) 00:06, 23 November 2020 (UTC)

URFA
Hey, Buidhe, thanks for all your work ! I removed your last few entries at WP:URFA/2020 for the following reasons. We have over 4,000 FAs to get through, and I don't want the page to turn into something similar to what happened at Dweller's page. If everyone runs through putting in comments about minor issues, we'll make no progress on the overall picture. It will be more effective if you will either enter comments on the article talk page, or ping still-active nominators, and then just include a diff on the URFA page for future reviewers to know who said what when and where, and be able to check what progress has been made. Follow this as an example. Dweller's page didn't work for this very reason. We basically need to know here not what minor issues there are, but whether something has been posted on talk and whether we need to proceed to the next step, be that FAR or moving to the Satisfactory list. Just a diff to the talk page will work out best in the long run. Bst, Sandy Georgia (Talk)  03:20, 23 November 2020 (UTC)
 * See my additions on your edits. I don't want us to end up again in no-man's-land as most of Dweller's page did ... either "Satisfactory" or "FAR".  Most require only a diff that you have notified talk.  But if you think an article can avoid FAR and is satisfactory (good enough), then just enter "Satisfactory" followed by your sig.  If enough people agree, we'll move them off the list ... Bst, Sandy Georgia  (Talk)  03:28, 23 November 2020 (UTC)

Lessons & Legacies
Hi there. I do not at all object to your change/reversion of my edit to the L&L page, but I do not know for sure that the "conference papers" that the header mentions are the same thing as the series that NUP publishes. It's entirely possible, probable, that they're related, but, technically speaking, if the organizer is distributing conference papers in some Open Access form and NUP is publishing an edited collection of the same material (sort of), those may be mostly the same. But as with many published dissertations, they can differ, sometimes quite a lot. To an extent, I'm not sure it's worth the time to contact the editors and have someone adjudicate the question, but I think you've made an assumption. Nigetastic (talk) 00:45, 25 November 2020 (UTC)
 * AFAIK the conference papers are never distributed in any other form. Worldcat says the books are conference proceedings as well. It wouldn't make sense to distribute open-access as that would probably ruin the market for the books of proceedings. (t &#183; c)  buidhe  00:52, 25 November 2020 (UTC)
 * You've done the research, and I'll gladly take your word for it. Thank you. But it's quite common for open-access and for-sale editions to exist simultaneously. Enough scholars want a hard copy of something they've used online that, assuming their department is paying for it, you'd be surprised, you can sell a couple hundred copies of something you're simultaneously giving away. Nigetastic (talk) 00:58, 25 November 2020 (UTC)

Your draft article, Draft:List of Germans of Romania


Hello, Buidhe. It has been over six months since you last edited the Articles for Creation submission or Draft page you started, "List of Germans of Romania".

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Thank you for your submission to Wikipedia! UnitedStatesian (talk) 16:48, 25 November 2020 (UTC)

Rawandiz massacre
Hi!

How can I create a page regarding Rawandiz massacre? It is necessary because 1) Rawandiz page is being vandalised 2) extermination of 80% of an area is notable enough to have its own page. I saw you on revision history of wiki pages about massacres and genocides and i need an experienced editor's guide. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 46.106.247.214 (talk) 04:28, 26 November 2020 (UTC) Thank you, it is being vandalised at the moment by a certain user and an ip (probably the same person). Where can i report those vandalisms?
 * Sure, without registering an account you can't start a page in mainspace but you could make a draft at Draft:Rawandiz massacre, which would later be moved to the article space. Be careful to cite only reliable sources. (t &#183; c)  buidhe  04:38, 26 November 2020 (UTC)
 * I already reported it at the Requests for page protection. Thanks for your contributions! (t &#183; c)  buidhe  04:47, 26 November 2020 (UTC)

Thank you. This user (Ashuraya145) uses ips to vandalise the page. Is there a place to report this? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 46.106.247.214 (talk) 04:51, 26 November 2020 (UTC)
 * Yes, WP:Sockpuppet investigations. (t &#183; c)  buidhe  04:52, 26 November 2020 (UTC)

Thank you. Reported. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 46.106.247.214 (talk) 05:05, 26 November 2020 (UTC)

Can you follow the page? Ashuraya and his ip keep censoring the content with irrelevant excuses ("Russians betrayed Assyrians", etc.) According to the source, there was a massacre and there were perpetrators of this massacre who were named by the source. For some reason, it is being removed repeatedly with various excuses. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 46.106.247.214 (talk) 05:53, 26 November 2020 (UTC)
 * Yes, I know that. It would be helpful if you continued this discussion on the talk page Talk:Rawandiz, preferably providing additional sources to corroborate the account of Assyrian participation in the massacre. (t &#183; c)  buidhe  05:58, 26 November 2020 (UTC)

Thank you. I will do more research about this topic. Before that, the vandalism on this page should stop. I already reported Ashuraya145 on the page you suggested above (Sockpuppet investigations).

Victims of Communism
In my honest view, those comments show why we you did a good job at creating Double genocide theory and why it would be an improvement Mass killings under communist regimes into Victims of Communism, for which I can help in a sandbox or draft to see how it would be like but I would need some outlined-structure and literature first. As I repeatedly wrote at Talk:Mass killings under communist regimes, Mass killings under communist regimes is not only problematic for mixing all the topics I listed, among other NPOV and synthesis violations, but it is actively harmful in promoting those views which are revisionist and fringe in academia and scholarship as mainstream views. Since those views are popular among the news media and the general population, especially in the Anglo-sphere and in Eastern Europe, it is especially important they are not replicated as they reflect systematic bias of favour of the aforementioned popular literature among the public but fringe within scholarship. The same thing is now happening at Victims of Communist Memorial Foundation, where scholarly analysis is presented as criticism and "[c]alling it criticism is giving equal validity to a organization that promotes fringe views." I was a victim of this because I thought those were mainstream views within academia and scholarship; having those article as they currently are is not only unhelpful but it is actively harmful in implying those are mainstream, rather than fringe, views. I am the proof of this. Davide King (talk) 20:34, 26 November 2020 (UTC)

DYK nomination of True Pole
Hello! Your submission of True Pole at the Did You Know nominations page has been reviewed, and some issues with it may need to be clarified. Please review the comment(s) at your nomination's entry and respond there as soon as possible. Thank you for contributing to Did You Know! Yoninah (talk) 19:49, 9 November 2020 (UTC)
 * Hi again. Can you take care of the inline cite for ALT0 hook fact please? Yoninah (talk) 20:59, 22 November 2020 (UTC)
 * Last notice. Yoninah (talk) 23:07, 28 November 2020 (UTC)

New message from Narutolovehinata5
Narutolovehinata5 tccsdnew 10:54, 27 November 2020 (UTC)

Template:Did you know nominations/Air pollution in Turkey
Hi, I offered a new hook. Could you review it please? Yoninah (talk) 23:05, 28 November 2020 (UTC)

Speedy deletion nomination of Category:Amsterdam University Press books


A tag has been placed on Category:Amsterdam University Press books requesting that it be speedily deleted from Wikipedia. This has been done under section C1 of the criteria for speedy deletion, because the category has been empty for seven days or more and is not a disambiguation category, a category redirect, a featured topics category, under discussion at Categories for discussion, or a project category that by its nature may become empty on occasion.

If you think this page should not be deleted for this reason, you may contest the nomination by visiting the page and clicking the button labelled "Contest this speedy deletion". This will give you the opportunity to explain why you believe the page should not be deleted. However, be aware that once a page is tagged for speedy deletion, it may be deleted without delay. Please do not remove the speedy deletion tag from the page yourself, but do not hesitate to add information in line with Wikipedia's policies and guidelines. Liz Read! Talk! 16:05, 29 November 2020 (UTC)

Odd deletions from WP:DYKN
Buidhe, I've just been going through a list of untranscluded DYK nominations, and came across two that you simply removed from the Nominations page on November 21: This is not how nominations should be closed, because simply deleting the transclusion means that the nomination is still considered open by various areas of the DYK processes.
 * Template:Did you know nominations/Micromégas
 * Template:Did you know nominations/Meat and Livestock Australia

The process on how failed nominations should be closed out is at WP:DYKN; I have taken the liberty of rejecting the second of these nominations, but retaining and relisting the Micromégas one since this is a student contribution from a class that is still open, and the article may still be further expanded and improved. (We have a bot that automatically removes closed nominations, both closed as successful—at the time of promotion—and as unsuccessful: it runs every two hours.) BlueMoonset (talk) 01:38, 30 November 2020 (UTC)

Edit warring on Armenian Genocide article
You currently appear to be engaged in an edit war; that means that you are repeatedly changing content back to how you think it should be.

Although there is a notice there that "You must not make more than one revert per 24 hours to this article" you have actually made multiple reverts under the guise of one edit (22:08, 29 November 2020)‎ in which you undid many edits contributed by another Wikipedia editor.

Points to note:
 * 1) Wikipedia articles are no one's personal property, and such attitudes contradict with Wikipedia's editorial policies.
 * 2) The need to reach consensus does not mean that a user can unreasonably obstruct and/or impose a de facto censorship on contributions by other users unless it is reasonably proven that those contributions are in breach of Wikipedia's editorial policies. Veritas.vos.Liberabit.58 (talk) 11:01, 30 November 2020 (UTC)

BLP violations in category
I noticed you recently removed a category describing a living person as a genocide denier. Category:Bosnian Genocide deniers is full of identical BLP violations. Amanuensis Balkanicus (talk) 21:48, 30 November 2020 (UTC)
 * Amanuensis Balkanicus, yeah, I would !vote to delete that category at CfD. It is indeed a magnet for BLP issues and is unlikely to be defining for hardly anyone. (t &#183; c)  buidhe  23:24, 30 November 2020 (UTC)

DYK for Post-conflict reception of war criminals
&mdash; Amakuru (talk) 00:01, 30 November 2020 (UTC)
 * Just wanted to say kudos for getting this DYK approved. It's unusual to see something that striking make it onto the main page, and it passes the criterion 90% of DYKs fail of being actually interesting. &#123;{u&#124; Sdkb  }&#125;  talk 00:09, 30 November 2020 (UTC)
 * This was a brilliant article and a fascinating read. Thank you. No Swan So Fine (talk) 21:34, 1 December 2020 (UTC)

DYK for Intermarried Jews in the Holocaust
Cwmhiraeth (talk) 00:02, 3 December 2020 (UTC)

Seyfo
Hi Buidhe,

I fully agree with renaming the article to Seyfo a more accepted term in the historian world. I'm new to wikipedia and I see already a lot of (probably) Assyrian nationalists making disruptive POV edits on the page. Could you please revert the disruptive edits made by the users on that page! 20:56, 1 December 2020 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Pepoeko (talk • contribs)


 * Hi Buidhe,


 * I see that your edit is once again reverted, again by Assyrian nationalists. The user States that Assyrian is the umbrella term for all Syriac-Arameans and Chaldeans which totally is not true. The same user is opposing a page about the modern Aramean people for several months already to fullfill his agenda most probably.


 * I think you do have a lot of knowledge on topics like these. I would ask you to join the RFC on the page Arameans so that a page about the modern Arameans will be created besides the already existing page about the ancient people. Pepoeko (talk) 10:40, 2 December 2020 (UTC)


 * Late Ottoman genocides, is a historiographical theory which claims that the concurrent Armenian, Greek, and Assyrian genocides were a single event rather than separate events, and it sometimes includes the earlier Hamidian massacres of Armenians, in the same event: persecution of Christians in the Ottoman Empire. It is argued by different historians and other books. Deportations of Kurds (1916–1934) was a population transfer event, not a genocidal event. Is there a reason why the edit been deleted?. Eliko007 (talk) 10:47, 2 December 2020 (UTC)
 * Eliko007, as one of the sources you cited says: "Jakob Künzler’s observation is of uttermost importance. It reveals that the Kurds were deeply affected by Young Turkish population and extermination policies and subject to social engineering already before the establishment of a Turkish nation state by Mustafa Kemal in 1922.6 The discussion of the question whether the deportation and forced assimilation of Kurds by the Young Turks has to be labelled as genocide or ethnocide is, at least from a historian’s perspective, irrelevant since a clarification of this particularly legal and political issue depends on the definition of genocide one resorts to.7 It is, however, important to acknowledge that the Young Turkish leaders aimed at eliminating Kurdish identity by deporting them from their ancestral land and by dispersing them in small groups. The Young Turks partially implemented these plans during World War I: up to 700,000 Kurds were forcibly removed; half of the displaced perished. This important but often neglected fact has consequences for our understanding of the terrible fate of minorities in the late Ottoman Empire. It suggests that the fate of none of those groups, be they Christian as the Armenians, Assyrians or Greek, or be they Muslim as the Kurds, can be treated in isolation." I don't think it's necessary to mention Kurds in the lead, but reducing it to "Christians" is not supported by the cited sources, so I hoped my wording would be concise and match the source material. (t &#183; c)  buidhe  11:14, 2 December 2020 (UTC)
 * Thank you for the answer, I don't see that sentence as inconsistent with sources, the sentence cited two specific groups (Assyrians and Greeks), and their treatment (Armenians and Assyrians and Greeks) is considered by some historians to be part of the same genocidal campaigns and policy against its Christian subjects. For example according to the scholar Adam Jones: "A resolution was placed before the IAGS membership to recognize the Greek and Assyrian/Chaldean components of the Ottoman genocide against Christians, alongside the Armenian strand of the genocide (which the IAGS has already formally acknowledged).", some sources such as The Thirty-Year Genocide which argues That the Hamidian massacres, Armenian Genocide, Assyrian genocide] and Greek genocide should be understood as a single event which targeted all the Christian minorities in the Ottoman empire. Also, the Deportations of Kurds as part of Late Ottoman genocides is not included by all historians or scholars, Have a nice day.Eliko007 (talk) 13:03, 2 December 2020 (UTC)

Hi Buidhe,

The same user named User:Sargon Gallu is making disruptive edits on the page Seyfo. It seems like the user is pushing an Assyrian POV since he states on his own userpage that he belongs to the Assyrian nation and thus is not neutral in making any edits regarding the topic. Pepoeko (talk) 02:50, 3 December 2020 (UTC)

Hi, it’s unfortunate that you feel that way. If you disagree with me on a topic, then feel free to use my talk page and make an effort to discuss the topic before reporting it. My ethnic roots does not change anything as I can argue for my edits and defend them Sargon Gallu (talk) 10:32, 3 December 2020 (UTC)
 * , now accuses another user of editing in a certain way because of his ethnicity, and clearly has learnt nothing from his two-week ban. In my previous dealings with admins, that accusation is grounds for a more permanent block (see here). Mugsalot (talk) 11:31, 3 December 2020 (UTC)
 * user:Sargon Gallu that’s not how it works. Buidhe did repeat several times that the Assyrians Syriacs and Chaldeans should be listed as different groups. Yet you keep pushing your point of view without adding any sources to that these groups fall under the Assyrian umbrella, which isn’t even true.
 * user:Mugsalot it seems like you are looking for reasons to get me blocked by an administrator, since you were also reporting me for vandalism without any valid reason. It can clearly be seen that Assyrian propaganda is ruling on Wikipedia thus its nothing wrong to mention. I see both you and user Sargon Gallu removing other ethnic names and replacing them with Assyrian. So yes from both of your edits it seems that there is a political agenda behind. user:ToBeFree I really understood the 2 weeks banning on the page Syriac Orthodox Church. But from what I see on Wikipedia there is an ongoing Assyrian sect removing names as Syriac and Chaldean and replacing them with ‘Assyrian’ this is a view that is highly pushed by Assyrian nationalists and thus has no place for a neutral platform like Wikipedia.Pepoeko (talk) 12:08, 3 December 2020 (UTC)
 * Pepoeko I don't agree that you should be blocked at this point, but please remember to focus on the content, not the contributor: that is a key Wikipedia rule. If people are systematically changing names to "Assyrian" in a way that's not supported by the sources, that's a behavior issue, and their ethnic identity or political opinion (Assyrian nationalism) is irrelevant. (t &#183; c)  buidhe  12:12, 3 December 2020 (UTC)
 * True, you have a point there I’m new to Wikipedia so I’m trying to learn more about the rules etc. But even tho without providing reliable and variant sources your edit on Seyfo was reverted back again by Sargon Gallu without providing any reliable arguments. So I conclude that Sargon Gallu his edit (not he as an user) is a pushed POV. :) Pepoeko (talk) 12:17, 3 December 2020 (UTC)
 * , I don't question your good intentions, but you seem to be unfamiliar with this area on Wikipedia. It is a frequent target for users such as who challenge the consensus in favour of their POV and are inevitably revealed as sockpuppets (see Arameans edit history).  has already been blocked for two weeks for edit warring, and in my experience his accusations are grounds for a more long-term block.
 * , you claim to understand your block and yet you argue your reporting for vandalism, which led to your block, was achieved 'without any valid reason'. Mugsalot (talk) 12:31, 3 December 2020 (UTC)
 * I think in fact Buidhe is very familiar with this area of Wikipedia. The Assyrian term is not an umbrella term for all these Christians neither is it an accepted term for Syriacs or Chaldeans. As far as i know I’m blocked because you kept reverting the article without providing any reliable sources, not because I vandalized the page since I provided sources and only added the name of the Syriac Orthodox Church in the Syriac language.Pepoeko (talk) 12:38, 3 December 2020 (UTC)
 * Generally you're supposed to AGF that a new user is not a sockpuppet until that has been shown to be the case. If you have evidence, go to SPI, otherwise drop it. My understanding is that the terms for Syriac Christians / the group claimed by Assyrian nationalism are both contested, and that should be reflected in our articles based on the preponderance of reliable sources. (t &#183; c)  buidhe  12:42, 3 December 2020 (UTC)

"Assyrian sect", "political agenda", bah. Sorry for not having done a full block initially, and thanks for the ping. ~ ToBeFree (talk) 15:16, 3 December 2020 (UTC)

Note
Hey buidhe, I don't think we agree on everything, but I think we can probably agree on what's going on at In Praise of Blood, and if you want to escalate that to ANI, please ping me. Thanks, Drmies (talk) 17:22, 3 December 2020 (UTC)

DYK for Living instrument doctrine
Cwmhiraeth (talk) 00:02, 4 December 2020 (UTC)

Pageswap
Hi!

This is to continue the conversation begun at Talk:Battleground: Ardennes.

There doesn't seem to me to have been any need to swap the page histories.

, you've said you're inactive but as the creator and as far as I can see the only maintainer of this script, your comments would be very helpful I think. Andrewa (talk) 12:26, 28 November 2020 (UTC)
 * Andrewa I don't know what you want me to have done? Copy and paste moves are not allowed and there's no way to overwrite a redirect automatically. I could have requested deletion per WP:G6, but that seems like pointless waste of admin time, when there are many admin backlogs. (t &#183; c)  buidhe  12:29, 28 November 2020 (UTC)
 * Let's get to that later. For the moment, I just want to see whether this is an appropriate use of pageswap. If it's not then we need to look at what should have happened. If it is then I think the documentation needs to be provided so everyone can use it appropriately. But first things first.
 * Apart from the fact that you didn't have the necessary authority to delete the target, was there any other reason to use pageswap? Andrewa (talk) 12:36, 28 November 2020 (UTC)
 * Yes, it was the quickest and easiest way to accomplish the move. Is there any other reason to use it? (t &#183; c)  buidhe  12:41, 28 November 2020 (UTC)
 * I'm not sure that it was. It had other consequences. The RM did not mention swapping the page histories, and you are unable to clean this up even if you wished to do so.
 * So I repeat my question from here: Where is this use of pageswap documented? I'm eager to learn. Where did you find out about it? Andrewa (talk) 20:53, 28 November 2020 (UTC)
 * Hey all, asked for my input on this one.  From a look at all the page histories involved, I can't fault  for using PageSwap.  The target history seems to be rooted in the standalone notability of the game, which was disputed at Special:Diff/684955054 when  boldly merged it into the parent article, prompting  to do its thing.  However, this was undone three years later at Special:Diff/875213242, prompting  to do its thing.
 * To answer the question of where I learned about how to use PageSwap, through trial and error and probably too much goodwill from onlookers, but I got the hang of it through practice. In fact, there have been instances where I could have moved over a redirect and used PageSwap out of habit, but I now check the redirect histories to see if they're single-edit ones which can be overwritten (can't locate the diff, I think it'll be in the archives of User talk:DrStrauss somewhere).  Documentation would be useful, certainly, but it's whether we decide to document it in its current form or work on a specification for a new tool with improvements (e.g. having a checkbox option to automatically correct the redirects post-swap).  I'd certainly be willing to open a community discussion to form a specification and contribute where I can to the development and documentation of such a tool.  I do need to brush up on my MediaWiki as it has been a while though.
 * From what I can see in this case though, the substantive article edit history is at the current article and the non-substantive redirect history is at the current redirect, so unless I've missed something I don't think there's an issue to rectify in this individual instance (see above for my comments on changes for long-term considerations). Cheers,   SITH   (talk)   14:31, 4 December 2020 (UTC)

DYK for National indifference
Cwmhiraeth (talk) 12:01, 4 December 2020 (UTC)
 * Interesting article, thanks.--A bit iffy (talk) 17:14, 4 December 2020 (UTC)

.NET Core
It seems to me that the requested move discussion on .NET Core was closed prematurely. The question was not only whether to move it to .NET, but also where to move it, if not to .NET. As I mentioned on the talk page, it is not called .NET Core anymore, having been renamed by Microsoft on November 10. It remaining where it is now would simply be factually incorrect. Cheers, intforce (talk) 14:16, 5 December 2020 (UTC)
 * intforce While it's possible to get consensus to move it somewhere other than originally proposed, in this discussion, there is clearly no consensus to move it anywhere. I think, if you have a better idea what to name it, you would be better off waiting a few weeks then opening a new move discussion. Keep in mind that former names are likely to be kept on Wikipedia as long as they remain the WP:COMMONNAME. (t &#183; c)  buidhe  14:24, 5 December 2020 (UTC)

A barnstar for you!

 * I'm glad you appreciate it! (t &#183; c)  buidhe  00:25, 1 December 2020 (UTC)

Not for anything, but...
Not sure what happened when you performed the series of page moves that involved John Fetterman. I clicked on the Wikidata link in the left sidebar and was taken to the dab page on Wikidata, which was still tied to the "John Fetterman" title. The mayor's page on Wikidata was still tied to the redirect. The only way I could fix that was to restore the dab page at John Fetterman (disambiguation). That was the only way I could tie the Wikidata dab page to the enwiki dab page, and then I was able to tie the mayor's page on Wikidata to his new base name title on enwiki. All that is supposed to happen automatically when we move pages, so I don't know what was done wrong.

However, here is how I would have done it, so please compare this with what you did. First, I would have moved "John Fetterman (disambiguation)" to "Draft:Move/John Fetterman (politician)" without leaving a redirect behind. Then I would have moved "John Fetterman" to "John Fetterman (disambiguation)" again without leaving a redirect behind. I would have then moved "John Fetterman (politician)" to "John Fetterman" again without leaving a redirect behind. The final step would be to move "Draft:Move/John Fetterman (politician)" to "John Fetterman (politician)" without leaving a redirect behind. That slightly more complicated form of round-robin page swap would ensure that Wikidata pages are tied to the correct enwiki pages when the page moves are done. Thank you for reading and hope this helps you in the future!  P.I. Ellsworth   ed.  put'r there 21:53, 6 December 2020 (UTC)

DYK nomination of FactCheckArmenia.com
Hello! Your submission of FactCheckArmenia.com at the Did You Know nominations page has been reviewed, and some issues with it may need to be clarified. Please review the comment(s) at your nomination's entry and respond there as soon as possible. Thank you for contributing to Did You Know! Yoninah (talk) 22:19, 6 December 2020 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Featured article candidates/Paper Mario: The Origami King/archive1
If you can, could you do an image review for the featured article candidate Paper Mario: The Origami King? Le Panini Talk 02:06, 7 December 2020 (UTC)

Thank you
for letting me know about my student's translation of the Josine Müller page. It's actually fine for my course for students to do translations. However, if something in her translation was problematic more generally, I would like to know. My student did struggle with the sources a bit, so that is still a work in progress. WritingTeacherC (talk) 22:31, 7 December 2020 (UTC)

DYK for Germany's role in the Armenian Genocide
Cwmhiraeth (talk) 00:03, 8 December 2020 (UTC)

DYK for Senate Investigation into Motion Picture War Propaganda
Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 12:02, 8 December 2020 (UTC)

Stefan Ihrig
Hi, I expanded this stub because I saw you linked it in your Justifying Genocide hook. I've been working on it all night but this is all the information I could come up with. I think he sounds English, but I don't have any sources for his early life and most of his education. I think all those reviews should be deleted. Are you able to improve this for a double nom with your current hook, or maybe you're planning an article about his Ataturk book? Yoninah (talk) 02:08, 8 December 2020 (UTC)
 * Thanks for your work on Ihrig's article! No, I think he can get his own hook; I am not really a big fan of double noms at DYK. (t &#183; c)  buidhe  02:38, 8 December 2020 (UTC)
 * OK, but it's still a stub, and as I said, I'm unable to find more information about him. Yoninah (talk) 12:45, 8 December 2020 (UTC)
 * Nice job finding more sources, and thanks for the DYK nomination. I'll see if I can add another sentence from all those reviews. Yoninah (talk) 17:08, 8 December 2020 (UTC)

FAR for Belarus
Thanks again for your note. As I mentioned on my talk page, I am very inactive on Wikipedia at this time. Yet, it is still good to know that what I done back many years ago is still being treated with a white-glove approach to things. User:Zscout370 (Return Fire) 03:36, 9 December 2020 (UTC)
 * , I suspect that your original article was quite good, but it has not necessarily been updated with the FA criteria in mind... (t &#183; c)  buidhe  03:38, 9 December 2020 (UTC)
 * I appreciate that, but we also both know that link-rot and other factors beyond our control doesn't help things. I am going to try and make a dent in this, but as with other Belarus articles that have a similar rating, it was pretty much a one-person job over ten years ago or so when standards were different. User:Zscout370 (Return Fire) 03:43, 9 December 2020 (UTC)

Your GA nomination of Nazis and Nazi Collaborators (Punishment) Law
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Your GA nomination of Nazis and Nazi Collaborators (Punishment) Law
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Nominations for the 2020 Military history WikiProject Newcomer and Historian of the Year awards now open
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RFC closure
Hi. I noticed you closed an RFC here. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Reliable_sources/Noticeboard/Archive_318#RfC:_Sherdog.com I have a slight issue as I don't think 'additional considerations apply' is a fair summary as that it from option 3, not 2. Option 2 is reliable on a case by case. I think the conclusion needs a bit more thought.NEDOCHAN (talk) 13:16, 9 December 2020 (UTC)

Apperantly this user voted for option 1 and still trying to use sherdog as a source instead of espn, fox etc. at pages such as https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dan_Henderson and edit warring for it. He should just let it go. It's already over.78.190.166.140 (talk) 13:58, 9 December 2020 (UTC)
 * NEDOCHAN Your assumption is incorrect: Option 3 is "generally unreliable", not "reliable on a case by case basis". (t &#183; c)  buidhe  14:00, 9 December 2020 (UTC)


 * Please ignore the banned IP. And please read my comment again. Additional considerations apply is from option 3 and the consensus was for option 1 and 2.NEDOCHAN (talk) 15:33, 9 December 2020 (UTC)


 * I'm not banned and in that RfC the consensus seems to be "option 2 or 3" which is "additional consideretions apply and reliable in the absense of generally reliable sources" just like Buidhe's closure notice says. You should let it go.78.190.166.140 (talk) 16:01, 9 December 2020 (UTC)


 * Now that we can be sensible, please read my original comment again.NEDOCHAN (talk) 19:23, 9 December 2020 (UTC)


 * Hi. Please can you read my comment again? The issue is that you have summarised by using option 3, not 2.NEDOCHAN (talk) 18:58, 10 December 2020 (UTC)

NEDOCHAN: Part of the issue is that the scale used in this RfC is not the same as that used in other RfCs on the noticeboard. I'm therefore paying more attention to the substantive comments made than to the bolded options because it's possible some !voters were confused on that score. I've reworded the close so it makes no mention of any particular option. However, overall, I don't see a consensus that the site is generally reliable for all types of information. (t &#183; c)  buidhe  19:13, 10 December 2020 (UTC)

Thanks NEDOCHAN (talk) 20:16, 10 December 2020 (UTC)

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DYK for FactCheckArmenia.com
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DYK for Justifying Genocide
Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 00:03, 12 December 2020 (UTC)