User talk:Buidhe/Archive 28

AFDs
When an article is up for an AfD you cannot remove the tag. You MUST PARTICIPATE in the discussion. It has not been created yet but it will be as it is posted where it will be. Reverting it again can be determined to be an edit war. 2600:8801:CA05:EF00:D41E:2828:7AA7:A58D (talk) 20:15, 21 May 2023 (UTC)

Nomination of Olúfẹ́mi O. Táíwò for deletion
A discussion is taking place as to whether the article Olúfẹ́mi O. Táíwò is suitable for inclusion in Wikipedia according to Wikipedia's policies and guidelines or whether it should be deleted.

The article will be discussed at Articles for deletion/Olúfẹ́mi O. Táíwò until a consensus is reached, and anyone, including you, is welcome to contribute to the discussion. The nomination will explain the policies and guidelines which are of concern. The discussion focuses on high-quality evidence and our policies and guidelines.

Users may edit the article during the discussion, including to improve the article to address concerns raised in the discussion. However, do not remove the article-for-deletion notice from the top of the article until the discussion has finished. 2600:8801:CA05:EF00:D41E:2828:7AA7:A58D (talk) 20:23, 21 May 2023 (UTC

Your revert of my attempt to discuss
I am taking it to mean that you do not stand by your revert of my tagging and will be replacing the citation needed tag. The sentence that follows the one in question is indeed cited, but that source fails verification. If you do not want to do as my tagging suggests, then fine, but the referencing in that article mostly fails RS and the attention of other editors needs to be drawn to the article. Please note that both the Holocaust and the Armenian genocide fall under the contentious topic guidelines. Thank you. Elinruby (talk) 00:07, 22 May 2023 (UTC)


 * Based on your comments above I have little faith in your ability to edit articles to accurately reflect what the sources say. The sources cited in that article are fine, although I don't really care about it anymore. You don't seem to even be able to correctly leave a contentious topics notice. (t &#183; c)  buidhe  01:58, 22 May 2023 (UTC)


 * i can but why would I? You have marked yourself as aware. As for your claim that I am not competent to judge RS, may I ask what you base this on specifically? Please. If there is something I am not seeing here, please explain it to me. Elinruby (talk) 02:23, 22 May 2023 (UTC)

ANI
There is currently a discussion at Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents regarding an issue with which you may have been involved. Thank you. The thread is LilianaUwU (yes, really). Liliana UwU (talk / contributions) 02:02, 22 May 2023 (UTC)

Armenian genocide and the Holocaust
With respect to your revert there, what was it you were trying to do exactly? I can't tell from your edit summary and suspect a misclick Elinruby (talk) 09:40, 21 May 2023 (UTC)


 * not a misclick. See the "debating genocide" chapter. Why have you added a failed verification tag when on the cited page it literally says "There can be no doubt, from the evidence I have presented in the previous chapters, that the Nazis knew of and were (at least in part) inspired by the Armenian Genocide." (t &#183; c)  buidhe  14:07, 21 May 2023 (UTC)


 * Thank you for restoring this question. The source is on the same topic alright but the source does not support your text when read as a whole. There is a very big however that follows the quoted statement. It also says nothing about the 1920, the German press, or any decisions that undefined nationalists might have made. At least not on p. 333. In addition, he does not "conclude" this, as the sentence you quote is not his conclusion. It is X in an argument that seems to go "while X, and also Y, the parallels are unmistakable." Maybe he goes into the press and so on earlier in the book; that would be just fine if cited to that page. Also FYI I removed the 4-5 citations to Jewish Virual Library per thisRfC Elinruby (talk) 02:55, 22 May 2023 (UTC)
 * The content about the great genocide debate is covered elsewhere in Ihrig's book, a different page number should be cited for it. As for the conclusion about the Nazis being inspired by the Armenian genocide, if you don't believe it is supported by the cited source I suggest posting on WP:NORN to see if this view has any merit. What JVL cites? (t &#183; c)  buidhe  03:04, 22 May 2023 (UTC)
 * yes, the correct page number needs to be cited. Hadn't thought of NORN. Re JVL, if that's confusing. let me double-check that. I edited several aricles about the Holocaust in Armenia last night. My main point however about that was just to inform you -- I also missed the RfC at the time, and did not know this until it was pointed out to me. Elinruby (talk) 03:26, 22 May 2023 (UTC)
 * Aha, that was at History of the Jews in Armenia. I see you have never edited it; perhaps you would like to, if you are interested in the topic, as there are also cites there to genealogy projects and Armenian weeklies that look questionable. I left those for the moment so as not to tag bomb it too harshly. In any event, please feel free to remove the failed verification tag on Armenian genocide and the Holocaust once it has been addressed. Thanks Elinruby (talk) 03:38, 22 May 2023 (UTC)
 * ???? There was no Holocaust in Armenia. It was never occupied by any of the Axis powers. (t &#183; c)  buidhe  05:23, 22 May 2023 (UTC)
 * Um? I am unsure what you are saying. I am looking at articles on the period and Armenia has come up in a couple of places. Let me try this again.
 * The JVL references were in another article, in which you may be interested. Or not, your call.
 * You should not have deleted the cn tag on the unsourced statement, so I have replaced it.
 * The citation for the next sentence, to which you referred me, does not substantiate the sentence it follows, or the one before it on which I placed the cn tag.
 * The tags can be removed when the problems are corrected.
 * Over and out. Elinruby (talk) 05:39, 22 May 2023 (UTC)

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Notice of Arbitration Enforcement noticeboard discussion
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Million Award for The Holocaust
How is this not a vital article? Much thanks for your work on this! – Reidgreg (talk) 12:25, 25 May 2023 (UTC)


 * Oh, nevermind, I see the vital article banner is in with the WikiProjects. Thanks again. – Reidgreg (talk) 12:15, 26 May 2023 (UTC)

Please relist
Can you please revert your close and relist at Talk:Federal government of the United States? You closed a few hours after I made my plea. I’d like to see some discussion on the point I made. Thanks. В²C ☎ 07:40, 26 May 2023 (UTC)

Japanese nationalist editor - Please help
I was RC patrolling and found a bunch of pretty explicit Japanese Nationalist and Yamato Supremacist content on Soh Ohba and tried to remove it but an IP just put it back up. Its not strict vandalism so I can't just take it back down without violating 3rr. I am still relatively new to wikipedia and am not very well versed in the nuances of WP:DUE, WP:NPOV, etc and honestly I don't have the emotional energy to deal with this properly, but just ignoring it would damage the integrity of the project. I am reaching out to you because of your presence on the Nazi Affiliation task force, and as its subject area is tangential to these issues I am hoping that you are more knowledgeable and better equipped (and willing) to deal with this. — FenrisAureus ▼ (she/they)   ( talk ) 04:28, 27 May 2023 (UTC)


 * I know little about Japan but it looks like the additions can easily be reverted as unsourced BLP. You can warn the IP and then report them at WP:EWN or alternatively request page protection at WP:RPP which is a pretty reliable way to get admin attention. (t &#183; c)  buidhe  04:43, 27 May 2023 (UTC)
 * thanks! — FenrisAureus ▼ (she/they)   ( talk ) 04:44, 27 May 2023 (UTC)

The Holocaust in Poland
Are you going to fix the numerous reference errors you have introduced into The Holocaust in Poland? DuncanHill (talk) 22:57, 27 May 2023 (UTC)


 * There was a script I was trying to use to fix it but sadly it's not working at the moment. (t &#183; c)  buidhe  23:27, 27 May 2023 (UTC)

Overcat?
At History of the Jews in Dęblin and Irena during World War II - Category: War crimes of the Wehrmacht. Should it be removed? Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus&#124; reply here 09:42, 28 May 2023 (UTC)

Khirurg
Hello! Thank you for your response on the ANI. I think you need to take a look in the article of Albania. Even thought you agreed with me about the disputed content, the user is again reverting and denying any decision made by you. I think a sanction would not be inappropriate. Of course, that is up to you. AlexBachmann (talk) 12:18, 3 June 2023 (UTC)


 * Just for the record: Some days ago I've reported the user Khirurg on the ANI. (So you know what I'm talking about) AlexBachmann (talk) 12:19, 3 June 2023 (UTC)

DYK for The Holocaust
BorgQueen (talk) 00:02, 5 June 2023 (UTC)

Thank you for that excellent improvement of the article! It's also featured on Portal:Germany--Gerda Arendt (talk) 07:37, 5 June 2023 (UTC)

Image licensing on the Commons
Hi there, dropping by because another editor recently drew my attention to this discussion, specifically the portion about image licensing. I wanted to clarify that PD-US is not a requirement for all images on the Commons; rather it’s one of many legitimate licenses for the Commons. It means that an image has no US copyright restrictions whatsoever. But some restrictions are compatible with use on the Commons and thus other WMF sites, like several Creative Commons licenses. Many Flickr images can be imported for instance despite not being in the public domain, because the person who retains copyright has licensed them for CC reuse. In general problems only arise if the license cited is not accurate to the image; my understanding is that if the Commons offers a license to apply to an image, that’s because the Commons has deemed that license sufficient basis for hosting such images. Hope that’s helpful. CCing who may wish to know. Cheers, Innisfree987 (talk) 13:19, 6 June 2023 (UTC)


 * Cheers @Innisfree987, that is very good to know. When @Buidhe told me that all images needed to be PD-US, I was terrified because I very often use the PD-UK-Unknown tag. Because my specialist area is the British Empire in the 20th century, I use this tag quite often. The History Wizard of Cambridge (talk) 18:29, 6 June 2023 (UTC)
 * I apologize for what I wrote, which was misleading. CC licensed images are OK (if there is compatible licensing) because they have been freely licensed by the copyright holder. Images that are PD-UK but not PD-US (or freely licensed by the copyright holder) are not okay, certainly not in enwiki, because our servers are located in the US and we have to comply with US copyright law. Admittedly there are some commons users who believe that if an image is PD in one country but not the US it should be allowed on commons unless there is a takedown request, but that does not mean such images are ok to use on enwiki. Similarly, there are a lot of outright copyvios on commons and you may not use those either. (t &#183; c)  buidhe  18:40, 6 June 2023 (UTC)
 * @Buidhe you're the first editor in my three years of editing wikipedia to tell me I can't use PD-UK-Unknown. Why does the tag even exist on wiki if I can't use it? You must be mistaken, unless you can show me otherwise. The History Wizard of Cambridge (talk) 18:52, 6 June 2023 (UTC)
 * PD-UK-unknown is an acceptable tag, but not by itself; because images must also be PD in the US to be acceptable to use on Wikipedia. Examples of relevant tags would be

, ,
 * etc. This is not my opinion, it is stated clearly in WP:Copyrights ("The Wikimedia Foundation is based in the United States and accordingly governed by United States copyright law.") and other policy and guideline pages. (t &#183; c)  buidhe  18:59, 6 June 2023 (UTC)

Holocaust in Poland
I wanted to raise one point, as I see that you are involved in the re-write of the Holocaust in Poland article. I think that in the Background section it should be mentioned that for a time Poland was a shelter to Jews who were being persecuted and expelled from other parts of Europe. I raise this issue not to sugar-coat the history of Jews in Poland, but this was a legitimate reason why so many Jews ended up in Poland by the end of the middle-ages, eventually leading to the later events of the 20th century. However, I don't want to jump in and start re-writing the section and instead allow others to clean up the text first, but I do think this fact explains why such an exodus from western Europe to Poland happened in the first place, and there are numerous sources which cover this topic. E-960 (talk) 17:37, 6 June 2023 (UTC)


 * While I'm not necessarily opposed to including such content, one must also consider balance; most of the sources specifically about the Holocaust in Poland that cover background information focus on the interwar period, so that should receive more wp:weight. Also, the cited YIVO source also suggests also that these migrations had multiple causes including economic reasons. (t &#183; c)  buidhe  18:44, 6 June 2023 (UTC)

Articles for deletion/Moral example
Hello, Buidhe,

I don't think that this AFD discussion was a good candidate for a NAC closure. Opinion was divided and it could have been closed as "No consensus". I realize that you are an experienced editor but in the future, try to pick AFD discussions to close that don't seem like they might be contested, where it is obvious what the closure should be. This seems like a close call to me. Thank you. Liz Read! Talk! 17:37, 7 June 2023 (UTC)

Introduction to contentious topics
Kautilya3 (talk) 11:49, 9 June 2023 (UTC)

Your GA nomination of The Holocaust
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A second request

 * Buidhe:  In my opinion, your review of my FAC nom was at the very best hasty and ill-thought-out. That's being quite kind to you, IMHO. I genuinely do think it "poisoned the well", regardless of how "bemused" you are at that thought (as you said on Sandy's talk).
 * I am becoming concerned that my FAC nom will be closed sort of "Undecided" or similar. I actually do not know what practice the current FAC coords follow. I see one full support (Ceoil), one PASS on MOS only (Sandy), a PASS on source review, and... I dunno what Femke concluded.
 * Since you did not respect my very polite request that you not comment on my noms, and bearing in mind my opinion above, I formally request that you go on record regarding Black Monday (as per Pottery Barn rule)... I see three options, though you may see another:
 * Strike your "leaning Oppose" remarks, but neither Support nor Oppose. [That would be odd, and perhaps the easiest way out... but... I suppose it's your right to do so.]
 * Strike your "leaning Oppose" remarks, and Support.
 * Go on record as an official "Oppose".
 * You may think me an asshole, but in all my wiki-career, I have always and everywhere been willing to admit that I am wrong when I am proven to be wrong. To be honest... I can't think of anyone else who does that in the context of really major points. Maybe there are many I haven't seen. Probably there are, in fact. I just haven't seen that, because I don't follow controversies etc. on Wikipedia.
 * And while I'm here: what was that all about where you followed me around and corrected my first one or two GAN reviews? Do you follow other people around, or only me? If you show me 2 or 3 diffs of you doing the same to other editors, not long before you did it to me, or perhaps some plausible explanation, I'll give you credit that it was not stalking etc.
 * Thank you for your time. § Lingzhi (talk&#124;check refs) 09:23, 11 June 2023 (UTC)
 * I do not think it matters for the FAC whether I do 1, 3, or none of them. I almost never support at FAC.
 * I don't have any recollection of working with you on GAN. Nevertheless, it is actually encouraged to look over new reviewers' work and help them improve. We now have an official monitoring system for it.
 * (t · c)  buidhe  14:11, 11 June 2023 (UTC)
 * I could ask questions, but I won't. Waste of time. Thank you for your reply. I wish you well in all things. § Lingzhi (talk&#124;check refs) 14:22, 11 June 2023 (UTC)

Could you take a look at a comment on James Keegstra Talk?
Today's comment strikes me as dubious, but I don't know if there is any etiquette for raising it? or best ignored? Mr Serjeant Buzfuz (talk) 20:55, 11 June 2023 (UTC)
 * Personally I tend to ignore trolls but I wouldn't say removing their messages is always wrong. (t · c)  buidhe  00:57, 12 June 2023 (UTC)

Partial follow-up AfD
Hi, because you recently participated in Articles for deletion/List of Turkic dynasties and countries, which also led to the deletion of Comparison of the Turkic states, I would like to invite you to participate in the partial follow-up Articles for deletion/Comparison of the Baltic states. The situation of these three pages is not exactly the same (because language family plays no role in these cases), but because many issues are similar, I've nominated them as well, and am curious what you think. Cheers, Nederlandse Leeuw (talk) 08:31, 12 June 2023 (UTC)

Category:Nobility in Europe has been nominated for renaming
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Conversion therapy
Buidhe, do you happen to remember this edit at Conversion therapy? The mention of "and in the Commonwealth from 1961..." without prior context for Commonwealth seemed odd, and made me wonder if it was perhaps copied from another article which contained the context. In any case, I'm guessing we mean the British Commonwealth here, because what else could it be? but that still seems odd, as that doesn't really localize its usage very much. Can you clarify that sentence in section ? Thanks, Mathglot (talk) 02:45, 20 June 2023 (UTC)


 * check the cited source for that statement. Yes, it refers to the British commonwealth. (t &#183; c)  buidhe  06:14, 20 June 2023 (UTC)

Abuse in gymnastics
Hello, Buidhe,

You created this article but it has recently grown into a sprawling, overly long article. Do you have any interest in spending a little time to cut it back to a manageable size or split it into two articles? The recent edits by a new editor have been large ones so a check into copyrighted content might be warranted. Thanks for considering this request. Liz Read! Talk! 19:36, 20 June 2023 (UTC)


 * I took this page off my watchlist. I didn't find any copyright issues (other than some quotation that could be considered excessive) but I left some pointers for improving the article on talk. (t &#183; c)  buidhe  20:35, 20 June 2023 (UTC)


 * Well, I really appreciate you taking a look, thanks very much! Liz Read! Talk! 05:49, 21 June 2023 (UTC)

Length of The Exorcist
Ok, then, as the tagger, you should certainly respond to questions as to what, specifically you would cut to make it shorter? I'm sure you've put a lot of thought into it. I'll be listening ... I'm sure you would agree that drive-by tagging, no matter how justified, does nothing for the project.

But I would also point out, as I did during the GAR, that it is now not much longer than Aliens and Back to the Future, both of which were promoted to FA in the last year. And your tag followed extensive editing during the GAR that got shot in the foot by the GAN crew over issues having nothing to do with it, which included splitting off the original production and themes sections as separate articles.

Yes, I know, the metric in question is prose size these days, not total byte count, as someone else brought up during the GAR, by which it should still be cut. But ... I still feel like I'm being punished for properly researching the article, cutting it down in response to criticism of its length that I admit had a point, and then being told that still isn't enough.

I have been thinking, though, and since you're the tagger, you are the perfect person to ask, I think: do you think a separate "reception of ..." article would work? We don't seem to have any yet for individual films, much less individual works (I think), but that section does, I allow, take up more than most articles, and I had thought about trimming it.

If you don't know, or don't think you can confidently answer, just say so, and I'll see what the good people at WT:FILM might have to say ... Daniel Case (talk) 21:49, 20 June 2023 (UTC)


 * well, film is not the area I usually edit but if it were my article the sections I would be looking at reducing first would be the "production", "reception", and "litigation" sections (the last is already mentioned in the talk page comment). I don't see why a separate "reception of" article would be verboten since it is clearly a notable topic. If I had reviewed Back to the Future at FAC, I would likely have opposed on length, but nevertheless it's about 60% the length of your article at 10841 words. That's a very significant difference. (t &#183; c)  buidhe  21:54, 20 June 2023 (UTC)
 * I already have a separate article on the production in draftspace, ready to be moved to mainspace as part of the GA process, as Ernest had asked. That was the original section (minus the intro). (One reason I can't cut as much there as some people might think I could ... the text next to the video clips (one more of which, Father Merrin's arrival, I am planning to add; I just didn't want to do it while it was up for GA) is necessary under the fair use criteria to justify the clips' inclusion, and based on past experience with some radical free-content warriors I'd prefer to have as much of that text in an article as possible.
 * I am just guided by my past experience. We have an entire category devoted to the production of specific films now, so it's OK. But years ago, when in response to a similar issue arising with The Devil Wears Prada, I split off a separate "production history of ..." article, I got shouted down, basically, by the then-WP:FILM coordinator, the argument being that there just wasn't a need for this sort of article for any film, so I reintegrated it and requested the deletion of the separate article. I had no idea until recently that things had changed. (And actually, since I have the idea down the line to prep that article for FA and nominate it in time for its 20th anniversary in a few years, I definitely intend to spin off the original production section as a separate article).
 * So as for "reception of ...", that's a different story. There is a category of such articles, but so far it includes no individual films (the closest is Reception of the Marvel Cinematic Universe) and, really, only one individual work (On the Origin of Species, which isn't even fiction). I am, to say the least, not sure how the idea of just up and doing this for an individual film would sit.
 * And, as with most articles you split off from a larger one, there is the question of condensing and rewriting what you leave behind so it tells the reader just enough and remains coherent with the rest of the article. Not everyone follows through with that. Daniel Case (talk) 22:22, 20 June 2023 (UTC)
 * With respect, I think this is backwards. You include non-free content to illustrate sourced content that already belongs in the article. You don't add content to the article to justify the inclusion of non-free content. WikiProject coordinators don't and shouldn't have the kind of powers you are describing. (t &#183; c)  buidhe  22:25, 20 June 2023 (UTC)
 * I wish I could say that it was and have it be that. Some of our policies, I think, encourage defensive editing of this nature, things that would really not be done (at least not to that extent) if the editor weren't worried about the dogmatic enforcement of a particular policy. I'm sure some of the instances of CITEKILL documented at that page came about because people were trying to satisfy other editor's overly picky criteria for what a source said or whether it was reliable on its own.
 * And, to be fair, with this film the clips are (well, will be) its four most iconic scenes, scenes that have generated a lot of commentary over the years (I didn't know there was so much written about the angiography scene, from both the academic and medical perspectives, until after I added the clip to the article over a year ago).
 * As for the then-FILM coordinator, well, to be fair, I think I'm remembering him more harshly than the experience was. But that was back in 2008–09, a different era, when less things were settled than now. Daniel Case (talk) 21:47, 21 June 2023 (UTC)

Another barnstar for you!
Also, I will be polling the talk page for the article on whether anyone has any objections to a separate "reception of ..." or "reaction to ..." article. I was going to go to WT:FILM but then I looked at the category again and saw that I had missed Reactions from India and the Indian diaspora to Slumdog Millionaire, created in this discussion, which concerns the response of one portion of the audience (albeit a pretty big and important one) to the film. It's been there since 2009. Daniel Case (talk) 04:07, 24 June 2023 (UTC)

Help with a page
I was trying to add some new sources I removed one because most credible Soviet-Russian say 3.9 million died, which is close to what western scholars say. Maybe you could copy write my sources on to the page so they fit properly if you can thank you if you can! Dan white 76 (talk) 22:29, 27 June 2023 (UTC)
 * I'm not opposed to removing what Gerlach states about Russian / Soviet estimates; after all, his book was published before the recent one you cite. However, it's unclear to me that the newly published book is a great source either. It seems to be written as a polemic against other authors who disagree with him and the higher figures take into account groups of prisoners who are not regarded as POWs by most of the cited sources. I am also not sure that the Extraordinary State Commission figures should be prioritized over decades of scholarship. It also doesn't seem like this book has been cited at all by the literature on Soviet POWs, which is another reason to be cautious. (t · c)  buidhe  01:04, 28 June 2023 (UTC)

"Ireland's Holocaust" listed at Redirects for discussion
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Speedy deletion nomination of Place Bell (disambiguation)


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Talk:Rishi
Please undo your closure and relist this discussion. A consensus can easily be found via relisting. ‑‑Neveselbert (talk · contribs · email) 23:58, 3 July 2023 (UTC)


 * The move does not meet criteria for relist. It was relatively well attended for a move discussion, and no editors besides you agreed with the original proposal. (t &#183; c)  buidhe  00:08, 4 July 2023 (UTC)
 * Moving Rishi to Rishi (term) was supported by another editor, it was just my proposal to redirect Rishi to Rishi Sunak, which received no support. Can you please reconsider? &#8209;&#8209;Neveselbert (talk · contribs · email) 00:10, 4 July 2023 (UTC)

Image stuff
Recently ran across Frauds, Myths, and Mysteries - am I correct in assuming that 10 non-free images, one to demonstrate the cover of every edition of this work, is a tad excess and there's really only space in the non-free guidelines for one? Hog Farm Talk 03:54, 10 July 2023 (UTC)


 * yup, removed (t &#183; c)  buidhe  04:06, 10 July 2023 (UTC)

Books & Bytes – Issue 57
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DYK for Keine Kameraden
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DeepState.Live
Thanks for your recent comment on this article, just to LYK I've posted the query on the GAN talk page. Amitchell125 (talk) 15:27, 19 July 2023 (UTC)

Request for GA mentorship
Hello, I'm doing my first GA review, if you could take a look as well, that would be appreciated.

You can find the review here Talk:Fanya_Baron/GA1

Bart Terpstra (talk) 12:24, 23 July 2023 (UTC)

Nomination for deletion of Template:FApages (reader facing)
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Appeal of deletion of Category:Assassinated heads of state by time
Hello. There was a discussion in the thread Categories for discussion/Log/2023 May 30 which you closed with the result of delete. The nominator was User:LaundryPizza03. At the time, there were only 98 pages of assassinated heads of state. But today, using now PetScan, I found out that actually there are more than 800 pages of assassinated heads of state. Therefore, I request that the Category:Assassinated heads of state by time be reinstated, to be populated in a similar fashion as Category:Assassinated politicians by time. Regards, -- Thinker78  (talk) 04:05, 27 July 2023 (UTC)


 * Thanks for reaching out to me. Unfortunately, I don't think I can overturn the closure because this reasoning does not address the rationales that other editors provided for the overwhelming consensus of delete. For example, one editor wrote, "WP:NARROWCAT and redundant precision" and another noted, "it is in general a good idea to (1) provide 2 (or more) parents for a new category; (2) find at least 5 articles which clearly belong; (3) use existing trees rather than inventing new ones". Since Category:Heads of state by time still does not exist, editors agree it is not appropriate to start this new, more narrow categorization first. (t &#183; c)  buidhe  04:14, 27 July 2023 (UTC)
 * Per WP:NARROWCAT, "In general, categories which intersect two (or more) topics or characteristics, should only be created when both parent categories are very large, and similar intersections can be made for related categories."
 * As such,
 * Category:Assassinated heads of state with the newfound PetScan, appears to be very large, as stated, more than 800 pages.
 * Category:Heads of state by time does not exist but a PetScan indicates it has the potential for more than 8,000 pages . And that is very large.
 * A related category exists, which is Category:Assassinated politicians by time. Regards,
 * Thinker78 (talk) 04:58, 27 July 2023 (UTC)
 * This feels too close to relitigating the deletion discussion. Nevertheless, I don't think there would be as much objection to category creation assuming that you followed the suggestions made during the deletion discussions—i.e. ensure that each category is useful to navigation, has multiple parents, and is populated asap. (t &#183; c)  buidhe  05:05, 27 July 2023 (UTC)
 * If there wouldn't be as much objection if I follow the suggestions and given the crucial new information of the category, that means that you don't have objection if I create the deleted category again, provided that it is useful for navigation, has at least 2 parents and is properly populated asap? Regards, Thinker78  (talk) 05:21, 27 July 2023 (UTC)
 * I didn't say that. I cannot advise you to go against consensus in a recent deletion discussion. (t &#183; c)  buidhe  06:10, 27 July 2023 (UTC)
 * As the closer, you determined the course to follow according to the information at the time. But now that I brought crucial new information that the nominator didn't know at the time, at least I request the discussion be relisted. Regards, Thinker78  (talk) 22:58, 27 July 2023 (UTC)

Gallery of previous editions
You recently deleted the "Gallery of previous editions" for the book "Frauds, Myths, and Mysteries." I just wanted to point out that the use rationale for a non-free book cover is that it is needed in order to identify the book. However, in this case there are 10 editions of the book and they all have different covers. So the 10th edition cover can't be used to identify any of the other editions of the book. The gallery of previous editions solves this problem, and thus it doesn't seem to me to be an unreasonable use of these non-free images. The gallery also included other information on the various editions such as their ISBN numbers, as they are technically considered separate books. Fracton (talk) 03:34, 22 July 2023 (UTC)


 * It doesn't meet NFCC#7. Many books have multiple covers but posting more than one is not an accepted practice as you could discover by browsing articles on books. (t &#183; c)  buidhe  03:37, 22 July 2023 (UTC)
 * NFCC#7 says "one article minimum", meaning that an uploaded non-free image must be used in at least one article. It does not say that an article cannot have more than one non-free image.  Note the link from NFCC#7 to the page on orphaned files. Fracton (talk) 17:29, 24 July 2023 (UTC)
 * Sorry, I meant NFCC#8: "Contextual significance. Non-free content is used only if its presence would significantly increase readers' understanding of the article topic, and its omission would be detrimental to that understanding." (t &#183; c)  buidhe  17:31, 24 July 2023 (UTC)
 * OK, but then couldn't this same rule be applied to the book cover in the info box?  The "use rationale" for that cover is the same as as for the other edition covers, i.e. it is needed for identifying the book.  The fact that any non-free book covers are allowed would seem to imply that this use rationale is considered sufficient. Fracton (talk) 18:31, 25 July 2023 (UTC)
 * Personally I do not support the inclusion of any book covers unless there is significant sourced discussion of them in the article, but the bottom line is that the default is non-inclusion of non-free content and if you're arguing for inclusion you have to point out how it satisfies the NFCC and has consensus for inclusion. (t &#183; c)  buidhe  19:27, 25 July 2023 (UTC)
 * The Wiki page on non-free content has an image section that explicitly allows cover art - NFCI#1
 * https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Non-free_content#Images
 * I would also like to point out that the copyright owners of book cover images are *expecting* them to be used in various ways on the Internet and apparently have no problem with this.  They can be found not just on publisher sites and Wikipedia, but also new and used book sellers, book review sites, sites listing ISBN numbers, book archiving sites, etc.  My point here is that they are different in this respect from most other non-free content, and as a practical matter they are extremely unlikely to lead to any problems. Fracton (talk) 18:24, 27 July 2023 (UTC)
 * Cover art still has to meet all of the NFCC to be allowed in the article. (t &#183; c)  buidhe  00:46, 28 July 2023 (UTC)
 * As I read it, NFCI#1 says that cover art *always* satisfies NFCC#8 when it is in an article with critical commentary about the item whose cover is depicted.  Also, I have not seen anything that says you can't display all of the cover images for an item that has more than one, such as books with multiple editions. Fracton (talk) 20:19, 30 July 2023 (UTC)
 * Even disregarding the contextual significance argument, several book covers are not minimal use. You seem to have missed the point of the nfcc which is not to include more non free content but to minimize its use to cases where omitting it would harm our encyclopedic purpose. no paper encyclopedia would include 10 book covers for a single book that is the subject of an entry. (t &#183; c)  buidhe  22:28, 30 July 2023 (UTC)

Deletion review for Category:Assassinated heads of state by time
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"Gay fascism" listed at Redirects for discussion
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Million Award for Nuremberg trials

 * Wwwwwwwwowee! That's an iconic piece of world history. Just wanna say congratulations on this recent achievement I came across!  danny music editor  oops 14:48, 15 August 2023 (UTC)

Precious anniversary
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Recent GA review
I was wondering if you had any thoughts about this GA review for an article I nominated. The reviewer's username gives me pause, as does their edit count and the rate that they're picking up GA reviews, even though they seem to somewhat know what they're doing. I thought it would be wise to bring this to a drive coordinator directly since they're active in the drive and I don't want to make a bigger issue out of this than necessary. Thebiguglyalien ( talk ) 07:12, 16 August 2023 (UTC)
 * It won't receive credit without a source check, but otherwise I don't think there is anything to do. I mean, it could potentially be a sock but without evidence you can't really lobby that. I also can't really judge the thoroughness of a review until it's closed. (t &#183; c)  buidhe  17:19, 16 August 2023 (UTC)
 * All right. Socking and Template:Uw-username both crossed my mind, but I'm hardly an expert in that aspect of Wikipedia, so I wanted to get another pair of eyes on it. Thanks! Thebiguglyalien  ( talk ) 17:33, 16 August 2023 (UTC)

Nomination of 2029 European Parliament election for deletion
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Proposed deletion of James Mace Ward
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Your draft article, Draft:Migrant deaths


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