User talk:Bulgu/Archive March07

Thanks a lot Khoikhoi, I hope this won't mess up this page

Accession of Turkey to the European Union
Administrator intervention needed - see edits by KhoiKhoi and/or Denizz I accuse KhoiKhoi and Denizz [This user comes from Turkey ] of being impartial. Their objectivity and impartiality are not obvious. Vandalism, including deliberate misinformation about Turkey and Ottoman empire and repeated violations of objectivity will not be tolerated any more.

"All Wikipedia articles and other encyclopedic content must be written from a neutral point of view (NPOV), representing fairly and without bias all significant views that have been published by a reliable source"...

KhoiKhoi and Denizz: just one question : Are you working for the turkish embassy? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 86.66.191.18 (talk) 21:54, 17 March 2007 (UTC).

Nagorno-Karabakh
I didn't revert it because I dispute the fact that its officially part of Azerbaijan, and its not recognized by any country including Armenia. The reason for my revert was that the opening sentence is a result of a compromise between Armenian users and Azerbaijani users. If you continue reading the article you well see that it says "Nagorno-Karabakh Republic (NKR), which remains unrecognized by any international organization or country, including Armenia." I hope this explains my revert. On a more personal note I hope we can put our differences aside, and work together to improve Wikipedia. Vartanm 21:50, 9 March 2007 (UTC)

I see, sorry about that. Let's keep that sentence, then. I certainly agree with what you said last. --deniz 22:21, 9 March 2007 (UTC)

About accession of Turkey to the European Union
Administrator intervention needed - see edits by KhoiKhoi and/or Denizz

"'All Wikipedia articles and other encyclopedic content must be written from a neutral point of view (NPOV), representing fairly and without bias all significant views that have been published by a reliable source'"...

Denizz: just one question : Are you working for the turkish embassy ?!! —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 86.75.34.58 (talk) 12:00, 17 March 2007 (UTC).

Re: first genocide
Actually, it's listed at Genocides in history. Perhaps you could main it off eventually. However, unpublished synthesis of published material is considered original research isn't it? As you probably already know, "The threshold for inclusion in Wikipedia is whether material is attributable to a reliable published source, not whether it is true." It's our job to state what reliable sources say, and since Britannica says that, we can have that info in the article. However, if you can find any reliable sources that say that it isn't, perhaps that could be added as well. Khoikhoi 01:52, 12 March 2007 (UTC)

OK

Kurds in Turkey
Hi Deniz, thanks for asking me to join you improve the article; now that it is the beginning of the weekend I think we can both do a couple of improvements on the articles you mentioned. Please also if you're interested join the Kurdish WikiProject. I have just visited the Kurds in Turkey article and immideatelly encountered many mistakes, e.g. the Music section should talk about the music of Kurds only from Turkey because the rest is irrelevant in this article. Also the section could mention about the influence of Kurdish music on modern Turkish popular culture and music; songs like Le Rindike, Esmer, Cane Cane, Le Xanim, Seyran Mangi are amongst those famous set of songs translated to Turkish added to the culture of Turkey. Ozgur Gerilla 20:02, 16 March 2007 (UTC)

Hi Deniz, I don't know how to express this misunderstanding you had but the 3RR rule states that you cannot revert an article more than three times, you can, of course, edit it and that is exactly what you're doing. So do not worry about the 3RR and do the improvements. Please go to my user page and use the 'toolbox' which is located on the bottom left side and email me your MSN so I can send you the songs you want to hear. Ozgur Gerilla 23:56, 16 March 2007 (UTC)

Şebinkarahisar
Well, according to Justin McCarthy, "The Armenians rebelled in great numbers in Sivas Province and in Şebinkarahisar." This makes me think that the city once had a large Armenian population (the Russian article says this as well). Also see Xanthi, Alexandroupoli, Komotini, Rhodes, Kos, etc. Khoikhoi 04:11, 17 March 2007 (UTC)


 * I consider McCarthy too controversial of a source to be used when it comes to this specific subject. I'm not sure the specific reason for adding the Armenian name (you might try asking Fedayee), but since it used to have a significant Armenian population, why not? Perhaps if the page is semi-protected, then the anon will be forced to use the talk page, and the conflict can hopefully be resolved. In my opinion, the Turkish, Slavic, Aromanian, and Ladino names of Thessaloniki should go at the top, because it is common practice on Wikipedia to do so. The city was part of the Ottoman Empire for a long time as well. Khoikhoi 06:22, 17 March 2007 (UTC)


 * It is premature to reach a population related conclusion based upon a small and obscure passage by Justin M. or anyone else. Lets see a census figure. --Oguz1 17:55, 19 March 2007 (UTC)

Award

 * No problem. Khoikhoi 02:04, 19 March 2007 (UTC)

Re:Sebinkarahisar
Hi Denizz, I added additional info on Armenians in Sebinkarahisar. There used to be a significant population of Armenians before the AG and it was the spot of a fight between Ottoman authorities and 'karahisar townspeople. Hope this helps, i'll add it to my watchlist so I try and help with the edit war. - Fedayee 17:54, 17 March 2007 (UTC)


 * Can we see a source? --Oguz1 17:49, 19 March 2007 (UTC)

Wilsonian Armenia
And Treaty of Lausanne has never been recognized by Armenia. Even Winston Churchill hated it. -- Hrödberäht (gespräch) 19:36, 18 March 2007 (UTC)

Urfa Resistance
Hi can you please provide an explanation for the tag? so I can help out by removing or improving the section that is POV thanks, regards. Artaxiad 00:26, 19 March 2007 (UTC)

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Cities of Kurdistan
Someone must've meant to add it to Khoy. ;-) Khoikhoi 21:27, 19 March 2007 (UTC)


 * The image is in the public domain, which means you can do whatever you want with it. You should give it the same copyright tag that the original image had, which I believe would be "PD-NASA". Khoikhoi 22:07, 19 March 2007 (UTC)

Re:ASALA
Meh. There's no limit on the number of deletion lists that an article can be added to, and it has no long-term effect on the categorization of the article. At worst, no-one watching the military deletion list pays any attention to it, and at best, it attracts a few more opinions to the deletion discussion. You should, of course, feel free to add it to any other (potentially more) relevant deletion lists. Carom 22:13, 19 March 2007 (UTC)


 * Heh, well, given the relatively small number of military AFD's, I doubt editors will become enraged if they have to scroll past one or two discussion which are only peripherally related to the military. At any rate, Wikipedia in general takes a pretty broad view of the scope of the term "military," so I don't think it's stretching a point too much to include this one. Carom 22:54, 19 March 2007 (UTC)

Terrorism
I don't get it, you said "we need to avoid the terms like terrorism per wikipedia policy", and then added Category:Terrorism in Turkey. Huh? Khoikhoi 23:55, 20 March 2007 (UTC)

I did that because terrorism is a 'forbidden' word on the text of a article on the English wikipedia and yet we have so many 'Terrorism in country X' categories, including Turkey. I guess, when you put something on a category Z on a page Y, you don't necessarily assert that Y is Z, just that Y is related to Z. I guess the answer is because Wikipedians say so.

Now if there is a category: Terrorism in Turkey, and there is, what do you think should be there, just ASALA and ? Is Turkey terrorism-free? Compare to other countries.

I checked the MIPT site, found the 'terrorist organizations based in Turkey list' there, and populated the category with the ones with fatalities. That means at least some notable organizations think that there are terrorist organizations in Turkey and that they are responsible of deaths of people (not just injuries). Add being recognized by nations as terrorist organizations.

I guess avoid terrorism does not work always: Terrorism in the United States

WikiProject_Terrorism_and_counter-terrorism



I am reverting myself deniz 00:46, 21 March 2007 (UTC)


 * Have you read Words to avoid? Khoikhoi 00:56, 21 March 2007 (UTC)


 * I did, that is the reason I made that edit which I reverted now. deniz 01:10, 21 March 2007 (UTC)


 * But shouldn't we be following Wikipedia guidelines? Khoikhoi 01:11, 21 March 2007 (UTC)
 * Yes, we should. deniz 01:24, 21 March 2007 (UTC)

Foreign Relations of TR
Who cares Armenia in foreign relations with the neighbors of Turkey when compared with others like Russia, Iran etc. Whoever had written the paragraph about them as if it has a high importance than others... SEY01 12:11, 21 March 2007 (UTC)

The comment was not related making the edits or not, just wanted to discuss since you are also involved with the article, as Armenia is a minor issue in the foreign relations of Turkey unless the aim to mention is whinging genocide issue in every Turkey related articles in wikipedia... SEY01 13:52, 21 March 2007 (UTC)

Hi
Welcome to Wikipedia and WikiProject Turkey!! I hope that you will enjoy your time here. I saw that you pout a post here. I don't know if you had seen my posts, some had removed them.. It was moved to Kurdistan from Kurds by one user. Further input would be appreciated. Cheers! Baristarim 15:56, 21 March 2007 (UTC)

Thanks for welcome. I know about the situation (except the removed posts), but thanks for informing me. I think you can just revert and restore the removed posts, assuming that they don't have hate messages or such things. denizTC

Foreign relations of Turkey article's reference #15 and picture there
They look so familiar/Turkish to me except the black kid and the rather dark guy. The woman in front is so much like my aunt, my mother's elder sister, her headdress, occasional covering of mouth, her posture, the impression she gives. The little girl in the front to our right is so much like my father's elder brother's two daughters, especially the older one, when she was younger. The boy on the right in front is like their elder brother. The little girl to the left looks a bit like my aunt's daughter when she was younger. Oh man... The face covering of the woman in the back is weird, though. I just had to say these. I can now sometimes distinguish Greeks and Turks from each other, but we don't have so many Armenians here, I don't know if I can distinguish Armenians and Turks. Long live the weird accent of Turkish people while speaking English, that helps 99% of the time. denizTC 01:45, 22 March 2007 (UTC)

Re:
Sure, I added my name. Artaxiad 19:01, 23 March 2007 (UTC)

Hi
Hey, keep up the good work! Baristarim 05:52, 24 March 2007 (UTC)

Robert College has been nominated GA
Would you like to contribute to the nomination process or peer review the article? SEE: --Maestro 12:21, 24 March 2007 (UTC)

Yalı
Hi, there is an allegation on the origin of the word yalı in the related article, but I sorrily have to say that this is only a folk etymolgy. The word seems to originate from the Greek word yiáli γιαλή. So, I'll be changing the article giving relevant references. Best wishes... Chapultepec 14:31, 24 March 2007 (UTC)

Kurds in Turkey
Hi Deniz, don't think I forgot about this article. Let's try to improve this ASAP. If you have any ideas on how to please inform me. Ozgur Gerilla 00:56, 25 March 2007 (UTC)

Feedback/opinions needed on Bibliography for Hrant Dink
Hi Deniz, would you mind giving me your opinion regarding this? Thx! --Free smyrnan 12:56, 25 March 2007 (UTC)


 * Hi, let's just hang on for a while (24 hours?) to see whether anybody hates the idea. I'll go work on some other stuff :-). --Free smyrnan 13:17, 25 March 2007 (UTC)

Re: Kurdistan Workers Party
That's what's so great about Internet Archive. Check it out:. Khoikhoi 06:11, 26 March 2007 (UTC)


 * That article includes many discrepancies, even though some of the stuff is true, the writer really mishmashed lots of bits together. I am disappointed, I thought LA Times would be better than that.. It says in the article "Although the National Action Party has been outlawed, its hard-right ideology continues to influence Turkish politics." - which is not true :) NAP repositioned itself as a more moderate party (which cause splinter groups like the Great Union Party to appear), and it is not outlawed - that's the most important thing: the writer got such basic stuff wrong (it refers to Gray Wolves as Neo-Nazi, which is not true, their true classification is ultra-nationalist), as such some of the conclusions are wrong and hyped up. There is a lof of true stuff, but better sources would be nice :) (I don't know where it is used for though) Baristarim 05:33, 27 March 2007 (UTC)


 * I removed Genser reference, being irrelevant, and the words raped and randomly, not being referenced. denizTC 06:25, 27 March 2007 (UTC)

Ararat arev
He guesses passwords no hacking involved. Artaxiad 21:18, 26 March 2007 (UTC)
 * Well it depends on the definition it takes no skill, guessing pffft.Artaxiad 22:25, 26 March 2007 (UTC)

WPKU
Please check this link to see editsummary and history of User!!.Any commends? Must . T  C 14:36, 27 March 2007 (UTC)

Districts
Contact Mustafa Akalp (above) about the parameter change in the template and/or renaming the images - but keep the Turkish characters: otherwise the other map doesn't show up.. Baristarim 17:53, 27 March 2007 (UTC)

Renaming Images
Bingo!! Deniz, asıl problem bu. Resimleri yükleyenler şehir/il/ilçe isimlerinigenellikle ingilizce harflerle, bazı durumlarda aynı yer için bazı resim/haritaları türkçe bazılarını ingilizce karakterlerle yüklemişler. Bir infobox'ta bazı haritaların görünüp bazılarının görünmemesinin nedeni bu. Neyazıkki wikide "Change Image name" fonksiyonu yok.(varsa da ben bulamadım). Ben bazı haritaları download edip doğru isimle tekrar upload ettim. Çok fazla işyükü getiriyor. WPTR de "Current tasks" sayfası yapmaya çalışıyorum. İlk işlerden biri bu yukarıdaki iş olmalı diye düşünüyorum. Commons'u tarayalım. İlgili "Image" ların listesini çıkarıp, işe girişelim(vandallardan zaman kaldıkça)
 * Current tasks için categoriler yarattım;
 * Category:WPTR/current
 * Category:WPTR/current/Top
 * Category:WPTR/current/High
 * Category:WPTR/current/Low
 * Category:WPTR/current/Low/unprocessed
 * Category:WPTR/current/Low/inprocess
 * Category:WPTR/current/Low/finished(buna gerek olmayabilir.).....same sub categories for above two cat. also.

Şimdi sıra her task için yaratılacak sayfalarda kullanılacak bir Teplate yaratmaya geldi. Bu template sayfayı ilgili categoriye yerleştirmeli. Category:WPTR/current sayfasını "Current tasks" sayfası olarak kullansak nasıl olur? Selam. Must . T  C 18:16, 27 March 2007 (UTC)


 * Zor iş. Kolay gelsin. Must . T  C 19:02, 27 March 2007 (UTC)


 * I am trying to organize the Current tasks in the project. I dont have a clear idea that my way is right or not.
 * Please check; WikiProject Turkey/Current tasks and --> WikiProject Turkey/Current tasks/Maps to see the structure of this work. Please, revise my english/grammar in these page.
 * Waiting your oppinions.
 * Regards. Must . <sup style="color:blue;">T <sup style="color:blue;"> C 11:23, 28 March 2007 (UTC)

Coordinator
Hi Deniz,

I am writing about the coordinator position in our project. I am not sure if we need a coordinator now, or do we? I mean we can all do what the coordinators do, bring more people in. Thus, if it isn't against Wiki rules, let's not have a coordinator for now until we really need one. For now, I will remove the coordinator(s) please don't hesitate to write back your thoughts.

Thanks,

Ozgurgerilla.

Current tasks
Please check WikiProject_Turkey/Current_tasks, bring your comments. Regards. Must . <sup style="color:blue;">T <sup style="color:blue;"> C 20:38, 27 March 2007 (UTC)