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Automotive timeline templates
Please, stop. Or at the very least, do some maths -- every one of your templates so far has some seriously skewy formatting. 2004 is twice as wide as every other year, and about four times as wide as 2007. Are you just copy/pasting from somewhere else, because that somewhere else needs fixing, not spread all over other articles like a layout virus. And why are you only doing North American markets? How encyclopedic is it to just omit the rest of the world? If you don't know about the rest of the world, maybe you're not the ideal author to create such templates? That's certainly true if you're not willing to do any research to discover what's beyond your shores.

The annoying thing is, Mitsubishi Motors has a .pdf, freely available from its global website, which gives a complete automotive timeline including the first years of its existence. --DeLarge 20:45, 15 February 2007 (UTC)

And here's a little warning. If you start deleting the work of others, as with this edit, I'm reverting on sight. Don't think for one second that your contributions are somehow worthy of overwriting those of others. --DeLarge 20:56, 15 February 2007 (UTC)


 * Bull-Doser, I recommend not separating car generations in the timelines. That's why the year columns get screwed up. --Sable232 16:24, 16 February 2007 (UTC)

Warning for deletion of material
Please stop. If you continue to delete or blank page contents or templates from Wikipedia, you will be blocked.

See also: Mitsubishi Raider (as previously mentioned), Nissan Rogue, Nissan Altima, Nissan Armada, Nissan Frontier, Nissan Quest, Nissan Titan, and Nissan Murano. --DeLarge 11:48, 16 February 2007 (UTC)


 * Replacing a list template with a timeline is not vandalism. I did that to several articles a while back, so the article for a specific car would have more relevant context. It makes little sense to have a huge template for every vehicle Ford has built worldwide on something like Ford Galaxie. It is far more useful to have a timeline for that market during that time period.
 * Now, I can't speak for what he's doing here and I don't know if it's right or not, but I do not believe the intent is vandalism. --Sable232 16:24, 16 February 2007 (UTC)


 * Boy, where to start...
 * "Replacing a list template with a timeline is not vandalism...I do not believe the intent is vandalism." Who said it was vandalism? The above template is not uw-test3, it's uw-delete3, for "Page blanking, removal of content or templates". Please read WP:TUSER if you need to familiarise yourself further with maintenance templates. Meanwhile, you might consider retracting that particular comment.
 * "I did that to several articles a while back..." Great, so if someone like myself prefers a single template covering a company's entire history, we're to have our preferences disregarded entirely, even if our style of navigation template is there first? How would you like it if someone started over-writing your templates without discussion? I dare say there might be mitigating circumstances in your situation though. I'm guessing here that your timelines were to stuff like Mercury, which is primarily a North America-only marque? You can therefore provide a timeline which will include all the vehicles the company sold, and will still be comprehensive? And your edits, I assume, did not therefore involve the removal of useful navigation links? Read my fourth bullet point with regards to this...
 * "...so the article for a specific car would have more relevant context." The article already has that context. Predecessor, successor, years of production and car classification are all included in the infobox, and to my knowledge almost every MMC vehicle now has at least one infobox containing such info.
 * "It makes little sense to have a huge template..." Please compare "BD's" Mitsubishi Motors with "my" Mitsubishi Motors vehicles. Despite the fact that the latter is a far more comprehensive template, offering links to 117 vehicles (including regional naming variations) and three MMC categories, and includes almost every one of the company's passenger vehicle since 1960, it takes up less space on the page than the North American timeline template which has only 17 discreet vehicle listings and covers only the period since 1980. 320 pixels deep compared to the timeline's 357, at a screen res 1024 pixels wide. And bear in mind that since the Diamante (one of the articles where a substitution was made) is a globally available car, if it deserves a North American template it also deserves a Japanese, Australian and European template too -- Mitsubshi sold the car at different times to each of those markets. So how big is a truly encyclopedic set of templates going to be? Four times bigger? More? I don't think size is a big issue here, but if other people want to make it an issue, my template is far, far more compact and space-efficient.
 * On the same topic, a single global timeline would be much bigger. Before the "compact" row we're going to need to put a subcompact segment (for the Colt) and a kei car section which would have to be four rows high to accommodate the eK, Minica, Pajero Mini and i, which have been sold concurrently.
 * Expounding further on the same topic, I personally dislike timelines because they expand widthways. This limitation is why timelines only ever cover short time periods,and why there's so many "early" and "late" timelines in the Automotive timeline templates category. Web pages expand down the way as they get bigger. Templates do not, therefore, offer "more context" unless you're willing to accept the compromise of only looking at a relatively short timescale (which rather renders the point of a timeline redundant). But that's my personal opinion, so I'm not going to just arbirarily start over-writing them with my preferred nav-template layout.
 * There wasn't a single undoing of his edits where he simply added the template alongside what was already there. That brings us full circle. If we're to cater to different personal preferences, we shouldn't be deleting one template in favour of another. That's what BD was doing, and that's what I reverted. He apparently arbitrarily decided that someone reading the Mitsubishi Diamante article was going to be allowed to navigate directly only to other vehicles sold in the United States. Despite the global market MMC operates in (it sells cars in 170 countries), readers are no longer going to be provided with a link to non-U.S. cars.
 * Two more minor points I should also mention. First, I can spot a couple of factual errors in the template. No surprise there; I'd be surprised if BD's used the tag once in his 5,000+ edits. That's why so much of his factually incorrect original research has to be reverted. Second, it's named "Mitsubishi Motors", as if it's some kind of overall template covering the whole company. On that issue alone I'm going to move/rename it, so that it will better match any future MMC regional timeline templates which have to be created. --DeLarge 19:19, 16 February 2007 (UTC)


 * I should have looked harder. I saw the notice but didn't read it. You're absolutely right about the global vehicles, actually I agree with you about the full list template. But on something like Mitsubishi Raider or Nissan Quest, which were single-market cars, the timeline (if cleaned up) is as valid as the full list. I'm sorry if I was unclear.
 * Maybe, for the timelines, we could add a link to the comprehensive list? That would bring a reader from the specific-market car right to the global.
 * Again, sorry I wasn't very specific. I shouldn't write these things in a hurry. --Sable232 19:48, 16 February 2007 (UTC)

Deleting wikilinks
Do you have any reason whatsoever for deleting links to such things as L, kW, mm, etc, as you did here, here, and possibly elsewhere? Please stop this. This is the very point of wikilinking. You cannot assume that the reader will automatically know what these abbreviations mean. --DeLarge 20:48, 16 February 2007 (UTC)


 * Because I wanted to do cleanups of pages, like Sable232 or NaBUru38. -- Bull-Doser 23:10, 16 February 2007 (UTC)


 * There is a difference between cleanups and downright deleting useful information. Karrmann 01:05, 17 February 2007 (UTC)

Snow
I think you misunderstand complaints about images with snow. The complaint is when there is snow on the car, not on the ground near a car. I'm reverting your changes. IFCAR 01:26, 18 February 2007 (UTC)


 * Snow on cars takes away from vital details of teh car, which is the reason why the images are here. Please stop. I found one of your snow images. It is annoying, and detracts from the encyclopedia. Karrmann 02:01, 18 February 2007 (UTC)

Mitsubishi Eclipse
Your most recent edits to this article changed its predecessor from the Mitsubishi Starion to Mitsubishi Cordia. Do you have a reliable source for this? As usual, aside from declarations in your edit summaries you offer no indication of this being anything other than original research. The edit directly conflicts with Edmunds.com, which claims that the Starion was replaced by both the Eclipse and 3000GT.

You've now been at Wikipedia for over a year, and yet I don't think I've ever seen you cite a source; certainly not in an article. WP's core policies with regards to editing are that everything should be verifiable from reliable sources, and that there should be absolutely no original research. I have no idea if you're simply unaware of these policies, or whether you choose to ignore them. However, I expect you to provide a reliable source for this discussed edit, or for you to revert it. --DeLarge 00:45, 21 February 2007 (UTC)


 * I would really like if you would stop this. Please quit messing up the encyclopedia. Karrmann 01:11, 21 February 2007 (UTC)

replacing images
I see that a lot of times that you have replaced high quality images with images that of an inferior quality. Ford Fusion, Ford Edge, and Infiniti J, amoung others. Please stop. Please stop doing all this stuff we are warning you on, before we get admins involved. Karrmann 15:43, 24 February 2007 (UTC)

--Pontiac GTO--

You replaced a decent photo of a 1969 Pontiac GTO with a picture of a 1969 Dodge Dart GT. If you don't know the difference, you shouldn't be editing a page. duke3478 03:08 07/25/08

Userbox
I removed the IF CAR userbox because it violiates WP's policy of userpages not singling out adn comparing yourself to other editors. Karrmann 23:40, 25 February 2007 (UTC)

Errr
I noticed that the quality of your latest images are.......totally inferior to all WP policies. They are badly lit, bad angles, fuzzy, blurry, and the cars are full of salt. I think it is your camera phone and poor taste of cars to photograph. Camera phones are known for the bad quality of the pictures they take, and are not meant to replace digital cameras. They are meant for low resolution on etime use pics. As a result, your images are fuzzy and blurry. So, throw that camera phone in the garbage, get that camera back out, and judge the cars you take images of better. When I and your hero IFCAR take pics, we pick out cars that aren't currounded by other cars, that are mostly clean of salt erosion, and are not in bright sunlight. So, please do that, and quit uploading inferior quality pictures to wikipedia. Please let me know that you get what I am saying, adn please stop putting bad pictures on Wikipedia. Cause, if you continue u0ploading all these bad pics, you might be seeing a RfC. Karrmann 00:52, 4 March 2007 (UTC)


 * It was my HP Photosmart camera, not my camera phone! -- Bull-Doser 00:53, 4 March 2007 (UTC)


 * Well, you claim on your userpage that you use a camera phone. "I now use a camera phone to take car pictures." But if you are using a digital camera, why are your images coming out all fuzzy and blurry? Is the flash on? Karrmann 01:04, 4 March 2007 (UTC)


 * No it isn't, but I turned on the flash with my Ford Focus station wagon, and that Nissan Versa sedan! -- Bull-Doser 01:05, 4 March 2007 (UTC)


 * Well, flash should be used full time. That is how my images come out so clear. Karrmann 01:17, 4 March 2007 (UTC)


 * No, flash should (almost) NEVER be used when photographing a car (in normal conditions). Case in point: Image:2nd-Sable-GS.JPG. That image, by the way, has not been edited at all. Taking pictures is primarily about technique. Camera quality is a factor, however I do not believe the one I use (a Canon) is very expensive. I have used one that is a royal POS, but I can't recall what the damn thing was. --Sable232 01:38, 4 March 2007 (UTC)


 * I conflict that. When I didn't use flash, my images came out blurry, adn when I did, they came out clear. Keep in mind I use a good digital camera, so the flash is smart, and applies the right amount of flash for the conditions. Karrmann 02:34, 4 March 2007 (UTC)


 * Good cameras with an automatic flash know exactly when the flash needs to go off, and generally should be left on automatic. An overlit image is undesirable, and a flash shouldn't make an image any sharper in normal lighting. IFCAR 03:41, 4 March 2007 (UTC)


 * That is what I have, automatic flash. Then, for the Grand Am pic to be that blurry, it had to be driving by. Karrmann 03:48, 4 March 2007 (UTC)

 Sorry to step in here, but I'm also an automobile photographer when I can find the time to do so. I use a DXG DVC305 camera, which is by no stretch of the imagination a great one. I also use my mom's Kodak DX7630, which is somewhat better. Image:Mercedes-Benz ML350 2003.jpg is an example of the Kodak's output. Image:Chevrolet Cobalt sedan 2005.jpg is from my DXG camera. They're both about average examples of the quality from the two cameras. What I really find maddening, though, is that your images seem to vary so much in quality. Image:Ford_Aerostar_LWB_1992-97.jpg is a quite nice photo of yours. However, Image:Olds_Calais_Coupe.jpg is quite bad; it looks like you took that whilst the car was moving. Can you think of anything you did differently between the two images? ~Crazytales (talk) 17:48, 4 March 2007 (UTC)

Turbodiesel links
Please, read my reply to your message at my talk, and if possible reply to it. -- NaBUru38 17:26, 5 March 2007 (UTC)

STOP NOW
Stop replacing pictures of execeptional quailty with inferior pictures. I don't know why you feeel obligated to constantly insert IFCAR's pictures into articles. Is there a clause in the encyclopedia that says "All car pictures must be IFCAR's car pictures" or something? Mazda RX-8, Infiniti J, and Toyota Celica are examples. Every time I have seen you swapping otu pictures, you have always replaced a super high quality picture with a parking lot shot. Why? Are you blind? It seems that every time you mess with the pictures on articles, you just mess everythign up. Ok, stop all the IFCAR butkissing. Maybe he would like you if you wouldn't be leaving crap like "FUCK YOU!" and comparisons of you to him on your talk page. And anyways, I am getting tired of you constantly making a mess in each article, and I having to constantly clean them up. STOP. Karrmann 14:14, 10 March 2007 (UTC)


 * In addition, BD, I seem to find you following around Karmann's contributions and editing those articles in direct succession. Is there a reason for this? --Sable232 15:05, 10 March 2007 (UTC)


 * You did it again, on Honda Civic. DID A SINGLE FUCKING WORD I SAY PENETRATE THAT THICK FUCKING SKULL? JUST STOP EDING ARTICLES PICTURES AS YOU ARE TOO STUPID TO KNOW A GOOD ONE FROM A BAD ONE! Karrmann 12:54, 11 March 2007 (UTC)


 * WOah. I didn't mean tthat. I was just very irritated when I wrote that, hat edit just kinda pushed me over teh edge. Please accept my most sincere apoligies. I am not like tha tkinda person. but I wish you would listen to what we have to say. When we say stop, we mean stop, and you still doing it really upsets us. Karrmann 19:20, 11 March 2007 (UTC)

Mazda MX-5
Reading the above sections, looks like your fame precedes you. On Mazda MX-5, you just removed all of the date-formatting date links. Please read the Manual of Style - there's a reason to write a date like this: March 13 2007, and the reason is not to make the date clickable, the reason is to format the date according to your preferences.

Oh, and you also dropped in a photo on the article. Guidelines: place the photo either left or right so that the car points to the center of the article. That's why I'm moving your photo from one side to the other. OK? --maf 01:57, 14 March 2007 (UTC)


 * That's Karrmann's photo. I like to mimic Sable232 & NaBUru38 for delinking years. -- Bull-Doser 02:09, 14 March 2007 (UTC)


 * Clarification: Years and months ONLY are delinked by myself. Full dates are left linked so, for example, Americans can see "March 14, 2007" and Europeans can see "14 March 2007". I delinked a full date once and was told why not to. Once was enough for me. Maybe in the future the software will change so dates will be formatted to preferences without being linked. Until then, stop. --Sable232 16:04, 14 March 2007 (UTC)


 * IS THAT AN EXCUSE? Stop 'mimicking' and start using your own head, although I suspect you may be impaired in that respect, no offense intended. --maf 09:37, 14 March 2007 (UTC)

I had missed another change of yours to the article. YOU DELETED AND REPLACED the similar-models content. DON'T DELETE OTHER PEOPLE'S CONTRIBUTIONS. But I guess you won't take notice of this warning yet again.

If there's a motion to block this user, I'll second it. --maf 09:37, 14 March 2007 (UTC)


 * I'll third it. I have offically run out of patience with him. Read my comment in teh above section. Karrmann 10:18, 14 March 2007 (UTC)

Asperger syndrome
I just noticed you have A.S. I know A.S. well and it certainly explains your consistent behaviour. BUT, it does not excuse, it does not justify, and it does not permit your behaviour on Wikipedia. Unfortunately for you, Wikipedia is a collective effort and there is limited space for gifted people. You ARE gifted and you will certainly find an activity that can suit your giftness and let you make the most of it. But Wikipedia does not seem to be that activity. Unless you accept (subject to being able to) to conform to the Wikipedia guidelines, you will only grow increasingly frustrated with Wikipedian's reactions to your behaviours, and there are so many things out there, even without leaving the Internet, that need you and to which you can give your best. Please take a moment to reflect on this, as it would be much better for the decision to be made by you, on your own, instead of by the community. Take care. --maf 10:43, 14 March 2007 (UTC)

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Mitsubishi GTO
Here we go again. Cut/pasted from the section above on your edits to Mitsubishi Eclipse, with adjustments as required. Apparently you haven't learned a thing since last month...

Your most recent edit to this article added its successor as the Dodge Avenger. Do you have a reliable source for this? As usual, aside from declarations in your edit summaries you offer no indication of this being anything other than original research. According to Carsdirect.com, the 1996 Dodge Avenger coupe range had a MSRP of $14,040 - $18,121. This compared with the 1996 Stealth range's $24,461 - $34,820. Clearly, one absolutely did NOT replace the other.

So for the second time: you've now been at Wikipedia for over a year, and yet I don't think I've ever seen you cite a source; certainly not in an article. WP's core policies with regards to editing are that everything should be verifiable from reliable sources, and that there should be absolutely no original research. I know that you are aware of these policies because I've already told you about them, but you choose to ignore them. However, I expect you to provide a reliable source for these and future edits, or for you to revert them. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by DeLarge (talk • contribs) 11:47, 27 March 2007 (UTC).

Chrysler Fifth Avenue predecessor
It says so on the Chrysler Newport article. Bavaria 22:49, 3 April 2007 (UTC)


 * Eventually, I added the predecessor for the Chrysler Fifth Avenue on the Newport page. The R-body Newport had been positioned between the LeBaron and New Yorker.  It's so similar on how the Plymouth Gran Fury went from the R-body to the M-body.  -- Bull-Doser 22:56, 3 April 2007 (UTC)

G6
Where do you get off telling other users what edits they may and may not make? IFCAR 02:37, 8 April 2007 (UTC)


 * The same idea happens for the fourth generation Taurus sedans. -- Bull-Doser 03:34, 8 April 2007 (UTC)


 * I am really running out of patience with you BD. IFCAR makes image contrbutions that replace inferior pics. While you on the other hand make HORRIABLE images that you blatantly insert over good images, which causes the encyclopedia to look like crap, and I have to constantly take time out of my editing to revert just about every edit you make, becauase either you inserted a crappy image over a good one, or you changed up the predecissor and successor to something propesterous, or for changing diminsions. THen you come all on your high horst telling IFCAR that his edits are bad. Take a look at your contributions before you come in talking like a big shot. To tell the truth, a lot of your edits end up being reverted by me or someone else. I am constantly reverting your edits. So, pretty much, just keep quiet and don't boss us around, cause you just come out looking like a hypocrit. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Karrmann (talk • contribs) 16:59, 8 April 2007 (UTC).

Hardy Har Har
Thanks a lot for completely ripping the "Images" section in my profile. That text you added in your userpage was exactly what it says in the Images section of my userspace, just the locations were changed. Are you trying to see how much you can piss me off or something, because you are certainly succeeding at that. Karrmann 21:20, 8 April 2007 (UTC)


 * And you took it lightly paraphrased from my user page. So what? IFCAR 21:33, 8 April 2007 (UTC)


 * Actually, it directs to my images page. -- Bull-Doser 21:36, 8 April 2007 (UTC)


 * Are you trying to claim copyright for that text, Karrmann? He edited it so that it pointed to his own image contributions, edit history, and locales. Or have you not heard what the sincerest form of flattery is? Have a look at the box at the top of my talk page. Now have a look at User talk:SteveBaker's talk page. Spot the uncanny similarity? I added that box on July 17, 2006, Steve on August 6. I consider that a compliment.


 * Now, may I recommend that you read WP:CIVIL and WP:STALK? The former because I find you once again incapable of editing in here in a reasonable manner, the latter because, as you and I both know, you wouldn't dream of writing comments on any other WP editor's talk page in such a belligerent tone. And once you've finished browsing those pages, you might consider reading WP:User page, especially the recommendations under "Ownership and editing of pages in the user space". --DeLarge 21:42, 8 April 2007 (UTC)

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Infoboxes
Please stop removing the spaces from the parameters in the infoboxes. They're there for a reason. Secondly, it's been decided that we are not wikilinking units in infoboxes. --Sable232 14:30, 13 April 2007 (UTC)

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Crap images
Quit replacing good images with crappy ones, like you did in Plymouth Voyager and Eagle Talon. Karrmann 10:34, 27 April 2007 (UTC)


 * He didn't replace anything in Eagle Talon, and the other Voyager images seemed to be post-facelift. IFCAR 11:28, 27 April 2007 (UTC)


 * On the Voyager page he replaced a quality owner-taken photo with a shot of just the side of the van. I think he should know better by now. --Sable232 13:16, 27 April 2007 (UTC)


 * Not only that, but the image was grainy and of poor quality, and the van was very dirty. As for Eagle TAlon, I thought he replaced your image with his half-baked one, and you reinserted yours in the head. Anyways, the car he photographed for teh Eagle TAlon article was in very poor condition and modified, and was in no way approiate for the article. Karrmann 15:42, 27 April 2007 (UTC)

Chrysler LeBaron
I have restored the correct captions. The '90-'94 LeBaron sedan never had Spirit rear lights. The '89-'92 Spirit has left and right clusters with red brake/tail/reflector/sidemarker and amber turn signal. The licence plate was in the middle of the deck lid trim panel, flanked by the reversing lamps. The '93-'95 Spirit has red-and-amber left and right clusters with a ballooned double-hump surface profile, but the amber was non-functional; the red portion of each cluster handled brake/tail/turn/sidemarker, and there was a small colourless window set into the amber section. (Mexican-market 1995 Spirits had this same setup, but with colourless/white clear across the bottom, not amber. The dummy-light on the trunk lid carried the double-humped red and amber (colourless in Mexico in '95) sections clear across the rear of the vehicle. 1990-'92 LeBaron sedans have single-contour all-red rear lamps with black stripes growing progressively wider towards the bottom. The central dummy-light panel on the rear of the decklid continued these red-and-black stripes all the way across the rear of the car. Sidemarker lights were built into the sides of the rear lamp clusters, sidemarker reflectors were separate on the quarter panels, and reversing lamps and rear reflectors were set into the bumper on either side of the licence plate. The '93-'94 LeBaron sedans use a red-and-smoke-grey rear lamp assembly with no stripes. The reversing lamp was in the grey section, and the brake/tail was in the red section. Rear reflector, sidemarker reflector and sidemarker light functions built into the rear lamp clusters, central dummy-light carried the red-and-grey panels clear across the rear of the vehicle. No lights in the rear bumper. The surface contour of the '93-'94 LeBaron rear lights was not at all the same as the double-hump profile of the '93-'95 Spirit rear lights. Certain of the LeBaron LXs and Mexican-market Spirits had Acclaim taillamps (red brake/tail/turn with double-corrugated colourless reversing lamp below the red section, licence plate in the middle of the trunk trim panel). --Scheinwerfermann 22:33, 29 April 2007 (UTC)


 * Well, the head image is a LeBaron with the license plate at the bottom. The A-body infobox has got the license plate at the top. -- Bull-Doser 19:55 29 April 2007 (EST)


 * Uh...no, look again. Both images show the front of the vehicle, and while the white car in the head image hasn't any front plate, the front licence plate was mounted identically on all AA-bodies, regardless of year, model, or market spec. Furthermore, the rear licence plate was mounted in the rear bumper (not up on the decklid) on all LeBaron sedans '90-'94 except the few LXs with Acclaim rear lights and rear bumper fascia. The car in the head image has the sidemarker reflectors in the quarter panels, which means it's a '90-'92 because those rear lamp clusters didn't have inbuilt sidemarker reflectors, while the '93-'94 units did. The A-body infobox car is a '92, for the LX model was in the Acclaim line for '89-'91, in the LeBaron line for '92, and nonexistent for '93-'94. --Scheinwerfermann 01:55, 30 April 2007 (UTC)

Tiburon classification
I've raised the issue at Talk:Hyundai_Tiburon of whether the Tiburon should be classes as a "sport compact". I'm not sure it should be. Friday (talk) 21:04, 4 May 2007 (UTC)

Just wondered if you'd read the talk page, or if you have an opinion on this. Friday (talk) 16:36, 8 May 2007 (UTC)

Car Show Images, Again
This time, I went to a modified car show at the Montreal Olympic Stadium. I, however, used flash on those photos, but I had my HP Photosmart camera. I'll show you a gallery.

I will be uploading more photos ASAP. -- Bull-Doser 23:00, 6 May 2007 (UTC)

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Bull-Doѕer, pleaѕe don't dredge up ugly old debateѕ that have with great effort been haѕhed and rehaѕhed to concluѕion. You yourѕelf participated in the diѕcuѕѕion regarding the Spirit'ѕ predeceѕѕor model(ѕ) almoѕt a year ago, ѕo it iѕ not only pointleѕѕ and counterproductive but alѕo diѕingenuouѕ to go in and arbitrarily change the article to the non-conѕenѕuѕ view. Pleaѕe remember to read and heed the talk page before you edit. Thank you. --Scheinwerfermann 21:49, 12 May 2007 (UTC)

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Heh, I just keep forgetting to grab teh amera where I go places, and this one rent-a-cop threthened to arrest me for taking car pictures (You can see where I said it on IFCAR's talk page), so that made me a little nervous. I just kinda forgot. Next time I am at the comunity center, maybe I will snap a few. Karrmann 00:36, 15 May 2007 (UTC)

Pictures
I stopped because I found out that I could be mistaken for a terrorist scout. Karrmann 10:11, 29 May 2007 (UTC)


 * Why did you stop the car pictures? You can continue to take car pictures during auto shows.  I still take car pictures, however.  I take them on fewer parking lots, mostly streets, and during the classic car show every Wednesday at Gibeau Orange Julep, which is seen outdoors only.  I also like to take car pictures during indoor car shows.  I took car pictures way before IFCAR did.  I take car pictures only when there's no snow. -- Bull-Doser 14:15, 29 May 2007 (UTC)

Honda Accord
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Car of the day
Thank you very much for your imput. I just wanted to let you know though that I don't just pick any car out of thin air, though. I choose cars that have an important role in teh industry, some historical value or a very interesting story behind them. I do though had many luxury cars that I planned making car of the day, with teh Lexus LS and the Mercedes-Benz CLS just to name two. Thank you again for your ideas! Karrmann 02:05, 8 June 2007 (UTC)

2008 Taurus
Well, my dad had it as a rental on a business trip. They are making their way into showrooms as we speak. Karrmann 20:01, 15 June 2007 (UTC)


 * Did you take that car picture?? -- Bull-Doser 20:04, 15 June 2007 (UTC)


 * No, he did. He allowed me to license it under GFDL. Karrmann 20:05, 15 June 2007 (UTC)

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I have tagged a lot of the information you posted on the 370Z with fact tags and what not. Have removed a lot of it too. Although the rumors are more than likely going to pan out to be true, we can't post information of a rumor on Wikipedia and word it as if it is true. Rumors and not encyclopedic. Unless the information can be cited with a reliable source that is reporting a fact and not speculation or rumor, the info should be removed. Thoughts? Roguegeek (talk) 03:08, 27 June 2007 (UTC)

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Hey there BD. I really want to ask you to please try to reexamine the quality of images before inserting them into articles. An example would be in Ford LTD, where the image showed that two people are visible in the man in the driver's seat looked like he was about ready to jump out and kill you. I have to say that the quality of your images has increased a lot in the past year. I got to give you credit for that. But, I really think that you need to reaccess each image, adn weigh the pros and cons of each one before inserting them into articles. Like on Chrysler Sebring (convertible), the first one was in extreme shadows, and had to be blown up before it was to be somewhat descriptive, and the second one was in very abundant sunlight, where the headlights are whited out. Don't stop taking images, your contributions are highly appreciated, but I wish that you please reaccess the differenced between the new image and current image to be sure that the new image is of better quality than the original. I just thought that was something you should keep in mind. Happy editing! Karrmann 16:25, 29 June 2007 (UTC)

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Hyundai Santa Fe is not a CR-V class car
As a Santa FE owner, Santa FE is upper grade car of CR-V. CR-V and RAV4 class car is hyundai tucson. do not mistake.Totoz 17:54, 29 July 2007 (UTC)
 * Basically, the Element is the size of a Tucson, and the Santa Fe still competes up against the 5/7-seat RAV4 & Outlander as a result. To tell you this, the Santa Fe is an upper-level compact, similar in size to the Mazda CX-7 and Toyota FJ Cruiser.  In the United States and Canada, the Santa Fe is priced less than the RAV4 @ USD$20,945 (CDN$25,900) based on MSRP.  Telling you this with inching measurements, the Santa Fe is 184.1, the FJ Cruiser at 184.0 (although truck-based), the CX-7 at 184.0, the new Nissan Rogue @ 182.9, the Outlander @ 182.7, the RAV4 @ 181.1, the redesigned Saturn Vue @ 180.1 and the CR-V @ 177.9.  Basically, the Tucson competes up against entry-levels such as the Ford Escape/Mazda Tribute, Honda Element, Jeep Patriot and Subaru Forester.  The Santa Fe is arguably the most roomiest compact SUV ever.  If you want a Hyundai competitor for the Toyota Highlander and Honda Pilot, there's the similarly-sized Veracruz.  Veracruz is still a midsize, measuring 190.6 (closer to a Mitsubishi Endeavor or Subaru Tribeca), with a 110 inch wheelbase (just a tad inch longer than the '08 Highlander).  The Veracruz costs less than a Highlander or Pilot in the United States, priced at $26,305.  Comparing the Veracruz's 190.6-inch length, it is a bit longer than the Highlander's 188.4 or the Pilot's 188.0.  And comparing the Tucson's 170.3 with the Element's 169.3/170.3 is exactly the same.  Tucson & Element are the same in length, thus the Tucson's much cheaper than the Element.  It's like having that Element/Tucson with the new RAV4/CR-V/Santa Fe and the Highlander/Pilot/Veracruz. -- Bull-Doser 18:08, 29 July 2007 (UTC)
 * that is your opinion. but, Hyundai motor company and Hyundai owner do not think so. if you want continue to discussion about this. you must ask to e-mail hyundai and you must open a full question and answer. As a Santa FE owner, 'santafe = cr-v class car?' very disgusting. Santa FE owner do not think so. yeah, santafe price is inexpensive than toyota and honda's mid-size class SUV. but, "price" is not a measure factor. if "price" is measure factor, then my Dell computer is always lower grade than any HP computer. Totoz 05:46, 30 July 2007 (UTC)


 * oh, i find this page from hyundai website.
 * Hyundai Santa Fe's Similar Vehicles
 * 2007 Honda Pilot LX 4WD 5-Spd AT
 * 2007 Toyota Highlander V6 4X4
 * 2007 Toyota RAV4 Limited I4 4X4
 * Anyway, SantaFe is not a CR-v class car.Totoz 06:08, 30 July 2007 (UTC)


 * bonus, hyundai tucson's Similar Vehicles
 * 2007 Honda CR-V LX 4WD 5-Spd AT
 * 2007 Mitsubishi Outlander XLS 4WD
 * 2007 Saturn VUE 2.2L FWD 4-Cylinder Manual
 * see? i prove it from hyundai offical website, so do not mistake it anymore.Totoz 06:14, 30 July 2007 (UTC)

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Hi, I want to know, why my image keeps being reverted.

I posted the image of my car in the header of the Nissan Stanza page a few months ago. After that, another user removed it and replaced it with the red or maroon one now.

I read about the head image being "reverted to highest quality". What I do not understand about this is that the image of the red/maroon car is slightly pixelated, while the one I posted of my car is crystal clear.

Why does it keep being reverted to the previous image, even though, 1) its not as high quality as the one I posted, and 2) I get warnings about the 3 revert rule, for trying to put my image back on, which was of higher quality, and had been there a month or so before the other user reverted that red/maroon car?

Thanks in advance for your reply.


 * IFCAR told me about the red/maroon '82-'83 Stanza being the HQ image. No rust.  The Stanza YOU uploaded has been moved as the pic on the 4th-gen infobox. -- Bull-Doser 19:24, 14 August 2007 (UTC)
 * I don't know what IFCAR was smoking, but the current header image, Image:Nissan Stanza.jpg, is clearly the lowest quality pic on the page. It is the lowest resolution, and the grainiest. --DeLarge 12:39, 15 August 2007 (UTC)

Mitsubishi Pajero
I've reverted your edits to this page, and will revert any other edits you make, anywhere, if you try to prioritize inches over millimetres for Japanese built cars, especially when the metric measurements were already in the article in the correct priority. auto mm exists as well. Also, don't overlink. There's no need to link to Straight-4 every single time it occurs anywhere on the page. --DeLarge 12:39, 15 August 2007 (UTC)
 * Addendum: when you're fixing date links, you don't need to add a comma between the date/month and the year if they're properly wikilinked. The software will display the comma properly anyway, whether you're logged on, or just a passing reader. Regards, --DeLarge 21:29, 15 August 2007 (UTC)


 * I've reverted your changes to the measurements at Mitsubishi Challenger and Toyota Prius. I don't know how much clearer I can make this: do not use the auto in template where there are already existing metric measurements being given priority. Use the auto mm template instead, or manually convert the figures. Continuing to try and force non-metric units to be prioritized in this way is absolutely contrary to the WP:UNITS and WP:ENGVAR guidelines at the MP:Manual of Style, and you have no mandate whatsoever to make such changes. --DeLarge 10:35, 28 August 2007 (UTC)

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 * Same as for Image:2009 Dodge Journey.JPG which needs a fair use rationale. Ricky81682 (talk) 16:24, 13 September 2007 (UTC)

Fair use disputed for Image:'09 BMW Concept X6.jpg
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Toyota Landcruiser (and others?)
I have only recently gone through the Toyota Landcruiser article, converting your use of the auto in template to auto mm. I now find that you have added the wrong template to the last infobox. Have you absolutely no concern for trying to interact constructively with other editors? It is impossible to work through Pages that link to Template:Auto in correcting your errors if you continually restore pages to this list by using the wrong template. Can you please STOP using the auto in template for vehicles which are not manufactured or primarily sold in North America. As per the WP Manual of Style and WP:CARS conventions, we use SI units first in those circumstances. That's the auto mm template. If you really want to help improve Wikipedia, you should be contributing to the cleanup effort by converting templates yourself, not compounding the problem by using the wrong template on pages which have been repaired. --DeLarge 20:53, 27 September 2007 (UTC)

Orphaned non-free media (Image:Buick LaCrosse Super.jpg)
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3rd generation Plymouth Voyager LE
I was just wondering, do you have any knowledge of 1996-2000 Plymouth Voyagers being available in "LE" trim in Canada. Your image "Image:'97-'00 Plymouth Grand Voyager 4-Door.jpg" is of a 1996-2000 Grand Voyager LE, and I've also seen several others on ebay, all in Canada. You may not know and that's fine, but it would be an interesting fact. Bavaria II 14:15, 20 October 2007 (UTC)
 * The Voyager was facelifted in '97, with only the rear being facelifted. The Plymouth badges were changed. -- Bull-Doser 17:13, 20 October 2007 (UTC)
 * That still doesn't answer my question, "were 3rd gen. Voyagers available with "LE" trim in Canada". Bavaria II 01:19, 26 October 2007 (UTC)

Disputed fair use rationale for Image:Buick Velite.jpg
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Nissan Tiida
My understanding is that the auto template Category or Class entry refers to the EPA rating, not what you think the size of a vehicle is. Please read and respond to the talk page before changing the main page again. Charlie Richmond 15:03, 29 October 2007 (UTC)

Fair use rationale for Image:'09 Toyota Matrix.jpg
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Orphaned non-free media (Image:'09 Toyota Matrix.jpg)
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Why Don't You & I
Hey BD pushin' any dirt today? Do you have reference for that addition you made to Why Don't You & I??? OK, keep the engine tunned up and blade clean. IP4240207xx 20:00, 10 November 2007 (UTC)


 * Most Canadian stations began to play it as the second single in the winter of '03. -- Bull-Doser 20:03, 10 November 2007 (UTC)

Lincoln MKS
Please re-check your reversion of my good-faith edit of the title on the image at the article for Lincoln MKS. There is no "caption" on an image in an infobox, so your edit and reversion of my correction is improper. I fixed the title of the infobox image to state that it is the old concept version, which is I think what you intended. You reverted it back so it no longer states that it was the concept version. I would also like a more general explanation of your reversion process and thinking, which is really bad practice, even approaching incivility, when dealing with a highly experienced editor. Thanks Bull. --T-dot ( Talk/ contribs ) 01:09, 16 November 2007 (UTC)

Disputed fair use rationale for Image:Showcase's First Logo.jpg
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hi there
Hi there,

Please recheck you reversion of a good faith edit to Dodge Durango. I was trying to clarify why there were three different versions of the SUV, and I think there needed to be a side by side comparison. Perhaps you can propose a more elegant way of doing that? I'll be watching the talk page. Let's do this together there. Thanks much!--146.115.115.184 (talk) 05:07, 30 November 2007 (UTC)
 * Hi there, I've been making some good faith edits to Dodge Durango which you repeated revert without much explaination. How about going to the talk page, as I have, to discuss any further changes. I'm very willing to comprimise if I knew what it is you exactly want, and if you don't revert all my good faith edits without good explaination. TIA. --146.115.115.184 (talk) 05:07, 30 November 2007 (UTC)

Mitsubishi Eclipse
You may wish to know that according to the EPA, the Mitsubishi Eclipse is a subcompact car (see here). --DeLarge 16:48, 1 December 2007 (UTC)
 * Yes, and the Bentley Continental GT is a "compact" according to the EPA. Also, the Kia Spectra is a "midsize". Those examples, and numerous others, lead me to believe that the EPA is not a good judge of vehicle size. I'd more readily trust something like edmunds.com or Consumer Guide Auto as regards classifications of cars, in which case the use of "compact" for the Eclipse (or, better yet, "compact sports coupe") is reasonably accurate. Sorry to be snarky, but I'm not a fan of categorization in most forms - I'd prefer that info is just provided and well-linked in most articles so people can make their own judgments. Duncan1800 (talk) 08:36, 18 December 2007 (UTC)

Image:Volvo_XC60.jpg
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Disputed fair use rationale for Image:CFEX Logo.JPG
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Picture request: 2008 Volkswagen City Jetta
Good day, I would like to request that you take a picture of the 2008 Volkswagen City Jetta. This model is not available in the USA, and thus I am unable to photograph it for the article. Since I see you're located in Canada, you would be able to do so. As it was facelifted for the 2008 model year, it no longer looks identical to the 4th generation Jetta models. You might try going to a VW dealer for the best opportunities. Many thanks.--Analogue Kid (talk) 23:10, 6 January 2008 (UTC)
 * I will be doing it @ the Montreal Auto Show. -- Bull-Doser (talk) 00:03, 7 January 2008 (UTC)