User talk:BulldozerD11/Achive 1

Schofields (department store)
Hi, you have tagged Schofields (department store) for Cleanup with a comment "cleanup no refs". Is it just references that are required or is there some other cleanup that is required? If it is just references that are at fault than it should be tagged unreferenced or for articles with some references but not enough refimprove. Keith D (talk) 14:16, 6 July 2008 (UTC)

Tomkins
Thanks for your message. The reason I made the move is that Tomkins isn't just the name of a company, it's a fairly common surname. Therefore it isn't right for the company to appropriate it. We could resolve the problem by moving it to "Tomkins(company)" if you think that's better. Please discuss this with me before editing or reverting anything, otherwise we may create an unfortunate tangle. SamuelTheGhost (talk) 15:44, 7 July 2008 (UTC)
 * Thanks for your reply. I've used the Tomkins trick in the four cases where companies are listed, so there's very little visible change from what was there originally. Thanks for drawing it to my attention. SamuelTheGhost (talk) 16:30, 7 July 2008 (UTC)

Power station categories
I was planning on categorising by shire, I'm still not finished categorising all England power stations so there could be more to populate the categories. Fintan264 (talk) 20:26, 31 July 2008 (UTC)

I think you're right, it would make sense to just categorise by region. You just merge them don't you? Fintan264 (talk) 21:18, 31 July 2008 (UTC)


 * Ah right sorry about that. Thanks for letting me know. Oh and a sort of related point. I'm not sure if teesside power station belongs in the yorkshire & humber list because midlesborough is classified as being in north east england. Fintan264 (talk) 19:44, 8 August 2008 (UTC)


 * Thanks for telling me that. I'll go tidy up my mess now. Fintan264 (talk) 20:09, 8 August 2008 (UTC)

August 2008
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 * See bots talk page as was reverting "vandalism" by another bot fixing correct text it had erroneously "corrected" yet again, - BulldozerD11 (talk) 10:26, 1 August 2008 (UTC)

Inappropriate Warnings
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Categories
Hi, just to let you know an easier way of not putting talk pages into categories just use a colon at the front as per Category:Power stations in Yorkshire. Keith D (talk) 22:32, 1 August 2008 (UTC)

Yorkshire & Humber power stations
I don't know sorry, I'm from the north east and I don't know that much about yorkshire, I've just been going by what was on the list of power stations in england page.Fintan264 (talk) 01:12, 6 August 2008 (UTC)

Thorpe Marsh power station
You don't have a free image of thorpe marsh power station before it was demolished do you? The only reasonable one on the internet which I uploaded just got deleted because there was no copyright.Fintan264 (talk) 00:46, 11 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Aye. The bad thing is that there are very few images of these buildings which are now long gone and the few images there are can't be used because of copyright. They aren't essensial, but I just feel they lift the article and give it a bit extra.Fintan264 (talk) 02:33, 11 August 2008 (UTC)

hi bd
Welcome ... nice to see someone is having a go at the Project Page. Be Bold!! the portal looks a bit sad at present. Wikicode is a good idea but I couldnt see how to edit my record without pulling the template into an edit which might deter some newbies and oldies. Do you need any help? How come the Derbyshire membership??? on your home page isnt top! :-) Victuallers (talk) 09:44, 13 August 2008 (UTC)

Well sorry if you've got the impression the project was unfriendly. Its not I donb't think but there are few of us and we havent been paying enough attention to the Portal etc. Do you fancy giving a hand? I can do some assessment etc but may be as rthe new arrival you might like to choose a pic and article for the portal?

Actually with regard to the "list of members"... I think that is actually meant to bre a list of members skills. May be we need something very simple as it needs to be easy for someone who has only been at wikipedia for a few hours to use.

Any ideas of what you would like to do? I spend a lot of time at "Did AYou know" ... do you fancy having a go at that? cheers Victuallers (talk) 12:11, 13 August 2008 (UTC)


 * ps: type "WikiProject Derbyshire" now ... it wasn't magic! I made it.
 * re Can users merge article or just Admins e.g Butterley Engineering one... of cource ... be bold ... I'll help if you get in a "right mess" ... Admins are not very special... they just have powers to say delete your article which you may not want any newbie to have.
 * assessing - I have done a dozen or so ... but many that remain are my articles ... so someone else will need to do (or learn to do!) the assessing. Victuallers (talk) 17:11, 13 August 2008 (UTC)

Trent valley
If by the trent valley you mean the 2 glanford stations in north lincolnshire, then maybe in the york & humber box (which they're already in aren't they?) because north linconlnshire is classified as being in yorkshire and the humber. I think the ideal way to do it all would be to have boxes for all 9 regions of england. Wouldn't be a hard task, I might do it when I get back next week. And drax environmental. Sounds like a good idea but is there a unit for emmissions/MWH? I don't know, I was just giving the section a little clean up and continuity.Fintan264 (talk) 00:31, 20 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Yes, overlap them like Teesside. The others should go in East Midlands.Fintan264 (talk) 00:50, 20 August 2008 (UTC)

Arthur Markham
Fancy making this a DYK candidate.. it needs to have 5 times more text than it had on the 20th ... Victuallers (talk) 22:34, 23 August 2008 (UTC)

Oxford Wikimania 2010 and Wikimedia UK v2.0 Notice
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Great Dorset Steam Fair
Saw the new pics - we should have arranged to meet! We were there, camping, from Wed afternoon to Friday (returning Sat). I really ought to upload more of the photos I've taken - I have 2 x 1GB memory cards filled this time (although there's quite a lot of video on 'em).

A couple of weeks ago I was rather pleased to see that the "Lokomobile" article on the German Wikipedia is using my 'heavy haulage' picture over there. Nice to have a sort of 'vote of approval' of your pics, isn't it?

EdJogg (talk) 08:49, 31 August 2008 (UTC)

"Embra" @ Edinburgh
Hi

No worries, thinking about it, it *is* a dodgy reference. I thought you removed it because the link was broken; I checked it and it worked fine so reverted. The link was, I think, added to support the claim that Edinburgh is sometimes called "Embra" (it's not an ancient name so much as a slang name at best or, more likely, simply a "mangling" of Edinburgh in Scots or Scottish English). That said, you're quite correct - the link is fairly awful - I'll remove it now.

(Personal view alert: I don't see "Embra" as being a name for Edinburgh, so much as being a way of pronouncing Edinburgh itself - the same way Glasgow is also called Glesga)

Cheers, This flag once was red   02:19, 21 September 2008 (UTC)


 * ...and done.
 * Cheers, This flag once was red   02:25, 21 September 2008 (UTC)

Re: Lady's bridge
I don't know why the council don't have it on their list. English Heritage say it's listed.... —Jeremy (talk) 04:49, 26 September 2008 (UTC)

Diesel generator
OK - thanks for the feed back will get back on it in a few days.,,,thasnk engineman

James Redfern
Thx for the assessment, cheers Victuallers (talk) 18:25, 27 September 2008 (UTC) That'd be excellent. I have closed out a lot of the assessments but most of those thar remain are mine and I think its odd to assess yourself. Oh and Ive redone the Derbyshire portal ... if you're feeling bold then have an edit. Cheers Victuallers (talk) 21:16, 27 September 2008 (UTC) You've make brilliant progress BDD11 and I see you are also adding links too e.g. Stavely. Your edits to High Sheriff inspired me to add another dozen or so. Having a 100% assessed would be a first I think for quite some time. Cheers and thx Victuallers (talk) 21:34, 29 September 2008 (UTC)
 * thx for your efforts BD...... Oh and I agree the importance thing is very inconsistant. Derby must be top... but where we slot in Dovedale, Thonas Cook, Arkwright and Matlock then we need to have a discussion. At the bottom low v mid is not so important but making some articles "Top" would get them into wiki0.7 etc Any ideas? Victuallers (talk) 21:38, 1 October 2008 (UTC)

Assessment categories
Hi, I have set up the assessment categories for WikiProject Lincolnshire so the articles should appear in them when you add the template to articles. I have also standardised the Yorkshire categories but have not changed the template as yet as I did not want to cause more problems for the servers. I will change that when things are a little quieter. The change only affects the non-standard categories such as List, Category etc where I have removed WikiProject from them. The template on the categories now displays the full list of created categories rather than only the ones without WikiProject. Keith D (talk) 20:09, 30 September 2008 (UTC)

Assessments...
Overall, a great job for WP:Derbys, but a few things: Sorry if this sounds rude its not meant to be. Im tired and on my pda which is a pain! Thanks  B  G  7even   22:18, 1 October 2008 (UTC)
 * 1) Class is global across Wikipedia. If you change one, change the lot (ill fix with awb 2moz)
 * 2) Tramcars of the... is definitely categorically no. End of. Its been rated low since its creation, if you checked the history youll see there was a typo.
 * 3) If you must tag articles add all the params or its wasted.

Lincolnshire tagging
Hi, I have just noticed that User:TheRetroGuy has been doing some tagging of Lincolnshire places. Unfortunately they have used priority rather than importance in the template, so need to be aware that they will need changing over when they are rated. I have dropped them a note so they may go and change the ones they have already tagged. Keith D (talk) 00:58, 4 October 2008 (UTC)

Queen's Park, Chesterfield
I've made a few changes to the Queen's Park, Chesterfield page, please give your suggestions when you can. Many thanks, Schumi555 (talk) 20:35, 5 October 2008 (UTC)
 * Thanks for the advice. I'll keep an eye on some of the others you re-assess and see if I can help to improve them. Thanks again, Schumi555 (talk) 13:36, 6 October 2008 (UTC)

Good examples
Hi, thanks for your message. I have always found that User:Rodw produces good stuff. I tend to look at his articles for examples of how to do things right.Cheers.--Harkey (talk) 15:42, 7 October 2008 (UTC)

Lincolnshire watchlist
I have set up a watchlist for the Lincolnshire articles the same as the Yorkshire one you can see the changes to the project articles here. Keith D (talk) 00:21, 8 October 2008 (UTC)


 * Thanks Keith I'll check it out. My whatch lists about 1200 articles as it is. Good job i added the tool that gives a preview 95% of the time other wise it would take forever opening the history to look at each page. - BulldozerD11 (talk) 00:32, 8 October 2008 (UTC)


 * Thats small I am at 10,378! Must do some trimming sometime now the project watchlists are available. Keith D (talk) 00:38, 8 October 2008 (UTC)


 * But its doubled in the last month or so. You've been on a bit longer than me as well. (I'll have to type faster, but then there will be more typos for other to clean up ;) - BulldozerD11 (talk) 00:51, 8 October 2008 (UTC)

Doncaster
Hi, I'm about to start work on cleaning up the Doncaster article. Looking at your interests, I thought you might be able to point me to where I can find sources for the sections on industry, please. Engine works, tractors and the like. I thought you might have some up your sleeve. (Not tractors :-)--Harkey (talk) 10:33, 8 October 2008 (UTC) )


 * Thanks, greatly appreciated.--Harkey (talk) 11:37, 8 October 2008 (UTC)


 * Thanks again. I'm still tweaking the Bradford article so the tractor info could be included there.--Harkey (talk) 08:05, 9 October 2008 (UTC)

---  Disccusions below moved Feb 2009

University of Derby
There is no indication that the tag placed on the University of Derby page was warranted. The quality of the page is well above wiki standards. It seems you may have a different motive here. Either way, the tag is malicious. If you are honest with yourself; genuine with yourself, you will see that the tag is not needed. The page exceeds the quality level of the vast majority of wiki pages in terms of clarity, style, and honestly. Search your motives and be honest with yourself. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.161.38.178 (talk) 13:29, 9 October 2008 (UTC)

hi bd ... I'm hoping the protection might help. The user above obviously thinks you need to think outside the box .... hmmm ... and the Derby Uni page is an improvement? Its good for an old type web page. Good luck. Victuallers (talk) 20:00, 9 October 2008 (UTC)

I am adding this to show my agreement with 70.161.38.178. It does not appear that your edits are legit. You have damaged the integrity of the page. In fact, created a problem when there was not one and then persisted to escalate the false problem. I also agree that you should be honest with yourself. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 96.248.218.37 (talk) 21:40, 9 October 2008 (UTC)

Comment on Derby Uni article - The only edit I have initialy made was to flag up what in MY "Honest" opinion the page needs cleanup as it does not meet the accepted standards of presentation and content in some areasWP:MOS. To remove edit tags without reason is a breach of wiki guidelines and is considered WP:Vandalism which was reverted by another editor before me. I had asked on the talk page for discussion. The page quality is well below the standard wiki editor are working to acheive. The standard of other university pages is a seperate issue, as they were not the page being looked at. The style oveall style was not in question particulartly, just content not meeting wiki guide lies like WP:EL, listings of courses and lack of references in the text WP:Cite to back up claims. Feel free to discuse on the articles talk page were all Editors to the article can join in (as was requested initialy). The claim that adding a maintenace tag damages the integrity of the page is a bit strange, as the purpose of the tagges is to engage all editors, rather than just changing the page en block. Wiki articles are not adverts for the subject of the article, but a descriptiom of what something is or was in general terms (What, Were, When). If people want the lastest news whatch the TV or read a Paper, for the bus or train times get a timtable or look on the providers web site. You are both free to have your veiw on the page and edit it if done in a constructive manner, and within wikipedias accepted guidelines for editing. - BulldozerD11 (talk) 23:27, 9 October 2008 (UTC)

Firstly, your honest opinion is worthless to an encyclopedia. Opinion has no place whatsoever. Secondly, the standard of other university pages is not a separate issue as simple logic dictates that to have any standard there must be a relational class. Thirdly, and beyond damaging the integrity of the page, tags damage the integrity of wiki itself and is the prime reason it is seen as so laughable per any reliability. People do not trust the pages. The tag you placed should be of a last resort and not out of laziness. The better option for you was to make the appropriate edits without resorting to the tag. Or, as the admin stated, “think outside the box”. That is, think outside of the tag. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.161.38.178 (talk) 03:19, 10 October 2008 (UTC)


 * If you are going to edit. Please pay attention to sentence structure. I am glad you have decided to fix issues instead of merely placing a tag. This is a much wiser decision. However, please do not create sentence errors such as you have with the school of health and the school of science. Under each there is two sentences when there should be one.


 * To IP editor above. Tags are an integral part of the operation of the encyclopaedia development, as is signing comments on talk pages to assist readers. A degree in English is not a prerequisite for editing Wikipedia, It leaves something for others to do as the perfect editors not being invented yet which would render most of wikipedia obsolete, and leave some editors with nothing to do. Many eyes are better than one pair and by an iterative process we can get an article thas not from the PR department and full of superlatives and no citations to support wild claims or full of lists that look like a copy of a catalogue of course names that can be for any uni. Anyway back to fixing article instead of debating the finer points of the English language, practice makes perfect (so it is said). P.S is it not "There are two sentences" not "There is two sentences" & I will continue to place tags on articles i do not have time to fix then or feel need the input of other editors expertise,  whilst attempting to improve others at my discretion as per Wikipedias collaboration and open access structure facilitates.  - BulldozerD11 (talk) 17:39, 23 October 2008 (UTC)

I think you have totally ruined this page in the past couple weeks. It seems like that makes three of us that believe this. I also think you are not being honest with yourself and that your editing has other motives. I agree again that tags are for lazy people and that they destroy the integrity of wiki. You are participating in this destruction. The uni Derby page was immeasurably better before you touched it. You should really be honest with yourself. Your edits are not productive for anything other than yourself. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 65.220.55.202 (talk) 15:19, 25 October 2008 (UTC)

Oh so you can discern problems in sentence structure...good job. But you did again miss that the first two sentences of the post needed to be one sentence. You have also failed to correct other errors of the like within the page; errors you created. I think it is interesting how the tide is mounting against your edits of this page....The University of Derby site is much worse than it was, but perhaps you'll keep trying and perhaps you will 'honestly' revert the page to its pre-bulldozer glory. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.161.38.178 (talk) 13:28, 26 October 2008 (UTC)

Politics of Derbyshire etc. etc.
Hi

I'll try to help out where I can. I've mainly been watching Engel's progress, deciding to be a part of the democratic process through this parliament at least.

I've looked over her immediate predecessor's entry (Harry Barnes: currently it's a stub) and added banners to the talk page and category information to the entry page.

Cheers

Lomcevak (talk) 09:58, 10 October 2008 (UTC)

Also hooked Skinner (Bolsover) and Holmes (Chesterfield) in the loop now.

Lomcevak (talk) 10:39, 10 October 2008 (UTC)

Queen's Park
Rating criteria for WP:CRIC is outlined on our assessment page and the relevant bit about C-class is here. We have agreed that an article must meet all of B-class criteria #1 to #4 for C-class, even if it already meets #5 and #6. Obviously it must meet all six criteria for B-class. An alternative proposal for C-class could be that it meets any four criteria and if you want to take something like that forward, please do so at WT:CRIC. Our assessment guidelines are not carved in stone and we're always happy to amend if a consensus is there. BlackJack | talk page 03:34, 11 October 2008 (UTC)

All current Derbyshire MPs added
Hello again,

I've tagged all current Derbyshire MPs to the Politics of Derbyshire and I'll add banners too (shortly after this).

Greg Knight is appearing in this category too, which I'm puzzled about, since, I think, he's East Yorkshire or something.

Lomcevak (talk) 09:50, 13 October 2008 (UTC)

Well done Lomcevak and ...
A measured response at derby uni BD ... well done Victuallers (talk) 11:10, 13 October 2008 (UTC)


 * 1888,,, I think - up to that point there was bits of derbyshire within leicestershire and vice versa. Burton was in derbys and bits of south west sheffield like Dore were derbyshire. I think you can find it but I forget where Victuallers (talk) 21:47, 14 October 2008 (UTC)


 * Thanks for the feedback to you (I've dropped an acknowledgement to your talk page) and also to 'Dozer Lomcevak (talk) 10:32, 15 October 2008 (UTC)

White Peak
Hi, you have tagged White Peak for WP:YORKS with a comment tagging for WP:Derbys. Should it be Derbyshire as I do not think that it is in Yorkshire? Keith D (talk) 23:42, 15 October 2008 (UTC)

Three Shire Head photo location
Thanks.

Any chance you can work out why the red blob for locations of Hollinsclough and Longnor, Staffordshire are on Edinburgh in the insert instead of within the Satffordshire boundary of the main outline map? Infobox map system. I have checked and rechecked the grid refs and latitude / longitude refs. No trouble getting 3 shire head in the right place straight away. Robert of Ramsor (talk) 00:04, 16 October 2008 (UTC)

Ockbrook
Greetings BulldozerD11. Re your recent comments on Talk:Ockbrook. You are not wrong. But instead of writing all that blather and tagging the article, wouldn't it have been a more productive use of your time to actually make the changes you suggest? -Arb. (talk) 20:54, 19 October 2008 (UTC)


 * Yes and No Arb, As if its just a few bits yes generally i will fix it, but as I'm working round looking for Derbyshire articles, if i spend the time fixing the refs and checking every one of the external links it will take ages for each article. As its a decent article (not like some of the stuff you find) rather than just tag the issues I'd take then time to leave a note as well as tags refer to talk pages for comments. Or I could have taken the other route and just delete almost all the External links as some do. Id rather flag up the issue and let others have the chance to rationalize/ discuss the list who are familiar with it. Or I could just click on by and leave a page thats a Start-class but could be a C and on the way to a B-class article with a bit of work. Its No Win. Some chose to work on a couple of articles, others chose to work on many or collect articles together, add extra cross links. I'd already gone at a tangent by then, so thats why I flag up what i think are issues with the article. - BulldozerD11 (talk) 21:21, 19 October 2008 (UTC)

Silversmith Entry UnDo
Hi BulldozerD11, This was my first go on Wikipedia so no worries about taking down the link. I wasn't sure of the rules on linking to a commercial site but thought it showed lots of good examples, got a better understanding now though. Out of interest how come there is a link to another Silversmiths website in the article. Hope the insert of the image of the handforged Goblets was ok though because it is a good example of handforging and modern silversmithing. If not I can change. Emma-Kate is actually my girlfriend. Thanks RogerRoger5 (talk) 17:00, 20 October 2008 (UTC)

Hi BulldozerD11, Thanks very much for the intro to wikipedia and your comments, really useful and appreciate your time. I have used it before for research think it is great and looking forward to contribute further. Thanks

Derby continued
Sorry I was being a tad sarcastic about the uni article on the talk page. despite your efforts its s still reads like its a pyramid selling scam. I mean how many depts have higher degrees? ... why all of them of course ... so why say it? Lots of words but little said. Don't think this is aimed at you. I'm hoping the marketing dept have a reasoned view too Victuallers (talk) 23:10, 20 October 2008 (UTC)


 * No offence, I had missed the OOtt example you quoted. We all know uni's teach dergee etc. Hence some of my earliar comments + the wood from the trees. And why I slaped advert on the earlier student union update yesterday full of bold text and contact details. If it was just hacked to bits, it would go to an edit/revert war again, so was leaving it to allow other editors & or discussion to take place after the IP block ended. Dont want to waste too much time on it at one go, as plenty of other articles to tweak & Find/Assess for this project and (the others).

Falcon Cycles
Hi again, you are going to have to give me a clue on this one as I see no connection to Yorkshire in the article. Keith D (talk) 20:04, 22 October 2008 (UTC)

All Done (Derbyshire MPs past and present)
Further to earlier posts, all Derbyshire MPs, past and current are now situated in appropriate sub-cats under Politics of Derbyshire. Article pages are tagged appropriately and talk pages have all been brought-up to the same 'boilerplate' standard. I now resume my normal programming :-)

Regards Lomcevak (talk) 12:10, 24 October 2008 (UTC)