User talk:Bulusu S Murthy (BS Murthy)

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Bhagvad Gita

 * Dear Mr. Rasnaboy:
 * Thanks for the courtesy in letting me know about reasons for deleting my addition and affording me an opportunity to present my case.
 * You may appreciate that I've tried to contribute to the feature "Varna and svadharma" with my original work Bhagvad-Gita: Treatise of Self-help in which I've argued that 110 verses (slokas) in the in vogue Bhagvad-Gita including varna / swadharma discriminatory verses that besides besmirching its pristine philosophy induce hostility in the minds of the so-called shudras that they belittle. No denying that this would seem radical but as can be seen from its Google page it is being widely read in umpteen ebook sites https://g.co/kgs/v8rRDV, and what is more, Great Books and Classics has accorded the pride of place to this work among the Gita's translations including even Sir Edwin Arnold's classic, The Song Celestial http://www.grtbooks.com/HinduTexts/Bhagavad-Gita.asp?aa=TE&at=BH&yr=-400. It may also interest you to know that World History Encyclopedia carries its audio rendition https://www.worldhistory.org/video/1020/bhagvad-gita-treatise-of-self-help-by-bs-murthy/
 * Moreover, I've also published the adjunct book "Inane Interpolations in Bhagvad-Gita (An Invocation for their Revocation) that too is in the public domain as free ebook https://g.co/kgs/zKEh2E
 * So from the above, you can gather that my new perspective of the Gita and the quality of its translation in rhythmic verses sans 110 inane interpolations has been slowly but surely making an intellectual impact and needless to say any mention in about it in Wikipedia would help its cause.
 * Just for your information the 110 inane interpolations that are not included in Bhagvad-Gita: Treatise of Self-help are -
 * Ch. 3: s9 –s18, s24 and s35 (12 slokas); Ch.4: s11 - s 13, s24- s32 and s34 (13 slokas); Ch.5: s18 and s27 -29 (4 slokas) ; Ch. 6: s10-s17 and s41 -s42 (10 slokas) ; Ch.7:  s20 –s23 (4 slokas) ; ch.8:  s5, s9- s14 and s23-s28 ( 13 slokas) ; Ch.9: s7,s15-s21, s23-s25, and  s32-s34 (14 slokas) ; Ch.11: s9- s14 and s29 (7 slokas) ; Ch.13: s10, s22 and s30 (3 slokas) ;Ch.14: s3 -s4 and s19(3 slokas) ; Ch.15: s9 and s12- s15 (5 slokas ); Ch.16: s19 (1 sloka) ; Ch.17:  s11- s14 and  s23- 28 (10 slokas)  and Ch.18: s12, s41-48, s56 and s61(11 slokas).
 * I hope you would like to spare some time to judge whether or not for my work deserves a mention under the subhead "Varna and svadharma" of your Bhagvad-Gita piece.
 * Thanking you all again,
 * Sincerely Yours,
 * BS Murthy
 * https://g.co/kgs/Tm7x8B Bulusu S Murthy (BS Murthy) (talk) 19:35, 17 August 2022 (UTC)

Dear Rasnaboy: I see in Bhagavad-Gita's Wikipedia page - This article may require cleanup to meet Wikipedia's quality standards. The specific problem is: messy layout. Please help improve this article if you can. (July 2022) (Learn how and when to remove this template message) - and so I would like to submit the following in conjunction with my above submissions for all concerned. 1_ The Gita 'As It Is' - A Travesty of Caste https://www.academia.edu/50386287/The_Gita_As_It_Is_A_Travesty_of_Caste 2_ Absurdity of Bhagvad-Gita's Caste Biases https://www.academia.edu/45581323/Absurdity_of_Bhagvad_Gitas_Caste_Biases 3_ Badnām-Gita's Spoiler Slokas https://www.academia.edu/49634132/Badn%C4%81m_Gitas_Spoiler_Slokas 4_ Dichotomy Between Hindu Religiosity 'n Gita's Spirituality https://www.academia.edu/50298259/Dichotomy_Between_Hindu_Religiosity_n_Gitas_Spirituality Hope the above would enable you to see the Bhagavad-Gita in a fresh perspective Bulusu S Murthy (BS Murthy) (talk
 * Dear . Apologies for the late reply. I kinda missed your earlier message. And thanks for the links. Will go through these soon. Since I'm not among the top contributors of the Bhagavad Gita article so far (my contributions to said article thus far is limited to reverting incorrect/unsourced changes), I may have to go through these in depth before attempting to make any substantial changes in the content there. Meanwhile, I suggest you discuss these in the article's talk page so that all the regular contributors of that article will participate in this discussion and start working on it. Cheers. Rasnaboy (talk) 17:12, 10 September 2022 (UTC)


 * Dear Rasnaboy:
 * I'm glad you intend to go through my submissions that I'm sure would enable you to better appreciate the Gita . Let me also thank you for your kind advice to take up the issue at the articles talk page for better affect that I did.
 * Best regards,
 * BS Murthy
 * Bulusu S Murthy (BS Murthy) Bulusu S Murthy (BS Murthy) (talk) 21:04, 10 September 2022 (UTC)

September 2022
Welcome to Wikipedia and thank you for your contribution(s). I am glad to see that you are discussing a topic. However, as a general rule, while user talk pages permit a small degree of generalisation, other talk pages are strictly for discussing the topic of their associated main pages and many of them have special instructions on the top. They are not a general discussion forum about unrelated topics. If you have questions or ideas and are not sure where to post them, consider asking at the Teahouse. Thanks. MrOllie (talk) 20:54, 10 September 2022 (UTC)


 * Dear Mr. Ollie:
 * Thank you for your acknowledgment. As advised by Mr. Rasnaboy, I've made some submissions in the Bhagvad-Gita articles talk page and I hope you would like to go through the same.
 * Kind regards,
 * BS Murthy
 * Bulusu S Murthy (BS Murthy) Bulusu S Murthy (BS Murthy) (talk) 21:43, 10 September 2022 (UTC)

WP:NOTHERE
 You have been blocked indefinitely from editing for abuse of editing privileges. If you think there are good reasons for being unblocked, please read the guide to appealing blocks, then add the following text below the block notice on your talk page:. OhNo itsJamie Talk 21:42, 10 September 2022 (UTC)


 * Dear OhNoitsJamie:
 * As you can see from the above, Mr. Rasnaboy has written to me that "I suggest you discuss these in the article's talk page so that all the regular contributors of that article will participate in this discussion and start working on it.
 * So, as I've made my submissions following his advice, I hope you would restore the same so that the matter can be examined by all concerned as hoped by Rasnaboy (talk
 * Best regards,
 * BS Murthy Bulusu S Murthy (BS Murthy) (talk) 21:54, 10 September 2022 (UTC)
 * Article talk pages are for suggesting improvements to an article, and all such material must be verifiable via reliable sources. Per WP:NOTHERE, you seem to be here only to advertise your book and suggest material that would violate WP:OR; you were previously warned about using talk pages as a discussion forum/advertising platform. To be unblocked, you'll need to convince us your here for some other purpose besides promoting your own works. OhNo itsJamie  Talk 22:08, 10 September 2022 (UTC)
 * Dear OhNoitsJamie:
 * It’s fair for you to suggest that “to be unblocked, you'll need to convince us your here for some other purpose besides promoting your own works” and am sure you would give a fair hearing to my case.
 * I submit that the allegation, “you seem to be here only to advertise your book and suggest material that would violate WP:OR;” maybe true generally speaking that is but you may appreciate that it’s not so in my case –
 * i) Not only this book but also the rest of my works are in the public domain as free ebooks / articles, and so I’m not trying to misuse Wikipedia to advertise my book for to advertise is to “describe or draw attention to (a product, service, or event) in a public medium in order to promote sales or attendance” obviously for pecuniary gain whatsoever, which is not the case with my seeking attention for my Bhagvad-Gita: Treatise of Self-help
 * ii) It’s true for you to say “you were previously warned about using talk pages as a discussion forum/advertising platform” but my intent and effort to push my case has been and is to showcase a new idea to the world through the much frequented window of the Wikipedia. I’m aware that the echoes of a radical idea could gain decibels as time passes, but you may agree that I cannot be faulted for seeking to hasten the process through Wiki medium.
 * Next is that “Article talk pages are for suggesting improvements to an article, and all such material must be verifiable via reliable sources” and in fact my submission is all about suggesting improvements –
 * i) Wikipedia’s entire Bhagavad-Gita article is based on its extant of 700+ 0 verses and my argument has been that 110 of those verses are inane interpolations that besides besmirching Gita’s character alienate the majority of Hindus from the same, which, I submit, can be deemed as ‘suggesting improvements to an article’.
 * ii) About the ‘verifiability of the material via reliable sources’, though this is a pioneering work sans precedents, I would like to submit that Great Books and Classics site http://www.grtbooks.com/HinduTexts/Bhagavad-Gita.asp?aa=TE&at=BH&yr=-400 has accorded it the pride of place among Gita’s translations including Sir Edwin Arnold’s timeless classic The Song Celestial.
 * Besides, the following sites, to name a few that are devoted to philosophical books carry my work.
 * a) Vedanta Spiritual Library https://www.celextel.org/bhagavad-gita/bhagavad-gita-treatise/
 * b) gatewayforIndia http://www.gatewayforindia.com/geeta/geeta.htm
 * c) Advaita Vision (Recommended reading) http://www.advaita.org.uk/reading/read_gita.htm
 * d) Holy Books https://holybooks.com/bhagvad-gita-treatise-of-self-help/
 * Hope, you would be able to see that my passion is to advocate the pristine Bhagvad-Gita by shedding 110 inane interpolations from the 'Gita as it is' and not to promote my book.
 * Whatever, given the increasing acceptance of my book, I can foresee that my 590 verses version would eventually gain the Gita ground https://g.co/kgs/1f6Kyp
 * Thanking you for your patience, I hope for a fair understanding.
 * Best regards,
 * BS Murthy
 * Bulusu S Murthy (BS Murthy) Bulusu S Murthy (BS Murthy) (talk) 05:18, 11 September 2022 (UTC)
 * You're welcome to appeal the block by followingthe instructions at WP:GAB, but I'm not inclined to unblock you given your statement above. OhNo itsJamie Talk 16:54, 11 September 2022 (UTC)

While my case is that my edits don't merit a block, I'm asked to "concisely and clearly describe how your edits merited a block". Just the same, in a nutshell, I've been submitting my books / articles regarding 110 inane interpolations in the Bhagvad-Gita that I've identified (I'm a pioneer in that https://g.co/kgs/mo2pTA) hoping that the 'expert' editors may like to evaluate the same in shaping the Wiki article that's self-admittedly inadequate. If only you go through the exchanges between your editors and me that have been archived recently, it would be apparent that while some of them showed interest in my propositions (but sadly not taken it to the logical conclusion, maybe due to the paucity of time) the others tended to view my holistic endeavor as but an unabated self-promotion. Now, as I've nothing more to state on the issue of Gita's interpolations (the interested can find some of the research material in this talk page itself), and it is entirely left for the 'seeking' Wiki editors to examine the veracity of same, or not, so be it that I'm 'blocked indefinitely' Bulusu S Murthy (BS Murthy)
 * We don't give out points for creative writing here. If you want an unblock request to be taken seriously, you're going to need to clearly and concisely address the concerns that you are only here to promote your own research and writings. OhNo itsJamie Talk 23:28, 12 September 2022 (UTC)

I assure you that I'm not here 'to promote my own research and writings' as any way it's all over the internet https://g.co/kgs/jW9KNC). You may appreciate that I'm here to invite the attention of the Wiki editors to my ‘overdue’ work, meant to help the ‘denied’ Hindu castes to objectively approach the in vogue Gita to enable them to dispel their misgivings, thereby bridging the Hindu emotional gulf. So, it's for the Wiki editors to decide if they wish to recycle the Gita 'as it is' that's derided by the Hindu majority as dustbin-worthy, sadly, owing to the interpolations in it that disparage the lower castes and women, or want to evaluate my research and writings to see if they are worth their consideration for which it needs some time and good effort of a couple or more 'seeking' editors. I rest, leaving the 'higher purpose' Gita ball in the influential Wiki court, and the rest is up to you. Bulusu S Murthy (BS Murthy)

On the subject of interpolations in Bhagavad-Gita, I'm pleased to state that I've just published 'Manu's Shadow on Gita's Path' that may interest the concerned Wiki editors https://www.boloji.com/articles/53472/manus-shadow-on-gitas-path Bulusu S Murthy (BS Murthy)