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Draft:Si Jenks
Hi, sadly the draft article of American actor Si Jenks is lacking of information and sources to be summited, could you please help me improved? 190.140.147.233 (talk) 18:11, 6 February 2023 (UTC)


 * I have expanded the draft article with some career and personal info from historic sources, if this helps. Bungle (talk • contribs) 09:29, 11 February 2023 (UTC)

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Draft:Rita Flynn
Hi, sadly the draft article of American actress Rita Flynn is lacking of information and sources to be summited, could you please help me improved? 186.188.178.109 (talk) 06:29, 15 February 2023 (UTC)

Speedy deletion declined: Burkinabes
Hello Bungle. I am just letting you know that I declined the speedy deletion of Burkinabes, a page you tagged for speedy deletion, because of the following concern: While this WP:REDIRECT was created by a banned/blocked user - the United Nations High Commissioner for Refugees also uses this term for displaced people in Burkina Faso - please see https://www.unhcr.org/en-au/news/stories/2022/1/61e5689c4/displaced-burkinabes-find-home-host-finds-purpose.html. This would appear to me to better discussed at WP:RFD. Thank you. User:Shirt58 (talk) 🦘 10:30, 16 February 2023 (UTC)


 * @Shirt58: That's fine? While I am not too convinced that a news post by an individual is sufficient grounds for establishing the term as sufficiently notable, nor that the target is the most appropriate, I won't expressly object if you feel on a personal level the redirect has usefulness. Bungle (talk • contribs) 10:45, 16 February 2023 (UTC)

Speedy deletion declined: Slant-drilling
Hello Bungle. I am just letting you know that I declined the speedy deletion of Slant-drilling, a page you tagged for speedy deletion, because of the following concern: As it's only a redirect, and is valid, deleting this seems pointless, even if it does meet the criteria. . Thank you. Ged UK  16:04, 16 February 2023 (UTC)


 * @Ged UK: It's worth noting that Slant drilling already exists as a redirect, which is a correct alternative, not Slant-drilling with the hyphen, which is both erroneous and created by someone in violation of a block. I am certainly not averse to accepting useful redirects made by editors who turn out to be blocked, but not really when it's not serving a purpose of benefit, as in this case. Bungle (talk • contribs) 17:08, 16 February 2023 (UTC)

Draft:Virginia Welles
Hi, I am making this draft for American actress Virginia Welles, but sadly is still lacking of information and sources for be summited as an article, could you please help me improve it? 186.188.178.109 (talk) 16:38, 22 February 2023 (UTC)


 * I have expanded it quite a bit using 3 good newspaper articles, so it at least covers the main aspects now. Hopefully this is enough to submit the draft. Maybe you could consider registering an account too? :) Bungle (talk • contribs) 19:16, 24 February 2023 (UTC)
 * I second Bungle's suggestion to get an account. There are many benefits to having an account, a few being the community can better communicate with/help you, shortly after joining/editing you will be able to create article's directly in mainspace (or create in draft then move to mainspace) so will not need to go through AfC and eventually you can get access to the Library so you can research subjects and find sources.  Not to mention all the other editing tools available.  S0091 (talk) 19:27, 24 February 2023 (UTC)
 * I think I have gone as far as required on this article now and hopefully will not be an issue to move into mainspace. I would definitely echo S0091 that having an account can, in time, afford access to historic material necessary for the development of articles such as this. Bungle (talk • contribs) 15:51, 26 February 2023 (UTC)

A cookie for you!

 * @S0091: That's kind of you, thank you. As my primary focus has generally been article development, then I don't mind expanding if there is enough source material searchable (it would be nice if the IP editor(s) would register an account rather than being anon though - if they are reading!) Bungle (talk • contribs) 22:44, 22 February 2023 (UTC)

H.W. Gim
Hi, sadly the article of Chinsese-American character actor H.W. Gim is lacking of information and sources, could you please help me improved? 190.140.147.233 (talk) 03:33, 27 February 2023 (UTC)


 * I would really appreciate it if you could register an account and have some identity, especially if you're asking me to develop articles for you (whether collaboratively or, as has been the case recently, mostly independently on my side). It would be nicer than communicating with an IP address :) Bungle (talk • contribs) 17:41, 27 February 2023 (UTC)

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H.W. Gim
Hi, sadly the article of Chinese-American character actor H.W. Gim is lacking of information and sources, could you please help me improved? Bodroof (talk) 17:46, 9 March 2023 (UTC)


 * @Bodroof: Thank you for registering an account. I have a few article commitments at the moment so I would only take a look at available material once I have sorted those. There is no guarantee there will be sufficient source material though. Bungle (talk • contribs) 22:05, 9 March 2023 (UTC)
 * @Bodroof I did some work on this. I don't think there are sufficient sources for GNG but he meets NACTOR as a prolific character actor in at least 159 films. S0091 (talk) 19:27, 10 March 2023 (UTC)

Pinduoduo proposal feedback
Hi, I see that you’re an active member of the Retailing WikiProject and I was wondering if you might be willing to have a look at a proposal I just submitted to fix issues with the article for Pinduoduo. (I have a COI as an employee of Pinduoduo’s sister company Temu and am trying to adhere strictly to the rules, which is why I’ve made a proposal instead of editing the page myself.) As you might know, Pinduoduo is China’s biggest e-commerce company for agricultural produce, so I hope that you might find the subject matter intriguing given your interest in Retail. Thanks very much for your time! Snowy2000 (talk) 17:13, 10 March 2023 (UTC)

DYK for Frank Gadsby
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Southend
Hi! I was reading Southend Pier (I was there last week!) and wanted to say what a good you did with it. I don't think it would need a lot of work to get it up to featured article quality if that's something you had any interest in. I was wondering if you had any interest in the nearby Southend-on-Sea War Memorial. I still need to put the finishing touches to it but I'm hoping to take it to FAC when my current nomination wraps up. It would certainly benefit from a read through from someone who knows the area or some of the sources if you have any time or interest. Best, HJ Mitchell &#124; Penny for your thoughts? 20:50, 12 April 2023 (UTC)


 * @HJ Mitchell: Thank you for your kind words. It's a few years since I undertook quite extensive surgery on that article, as it was quite poorly when you dug a little below the surface. I must confess to having never visited the pier, nor anywhere particularly close to Southend, for that matter. I did go through a period of trying to clean up some pier-related articles and creating some new ones. It seemed reasonable that a pier of such prominence should be at GA-standard, or at least considerably better than it was. While I have a number of GA-class articles to my name, the featured status alludes me (alas I haven't exactly made any meaningful effort to propose one).
 * Regarding the War Memorial article, i'd wonder how much may be extracted from historic newspapers, which I find invaluable for historic-subject articles. I think it'd be helpful to reduce the over-reliance on the Historic England source. Bungle (talk • contribs) 21:22, 12 April 2023 (UTC)

A barnstar for you!

 * That's very kind of you, thank you. I think my period of editing pier articles started when I saw the great job you did with Brighton Palace Pier, which encouraged me to develop the many other poorly pier articles, and write a few new ones. You likely don't remember, but I acknowledged this on your talk page back in August 2017 when I was looking to develop Southport Pier article! I may well have not progressed onto Southend Pier otherwise, so it's nice that this has come full circle. Bungle (talk • contribs) 17:29, 16 April 2023 (UTC)

Gisela Werbisek
Hello, could you please help me create an article for Austrio-Hungarian Jewish actress Gisela Werbisek, who appeared alonside Raymond Burr and Lon Chaney Jr. on the film Bride of the Gorilla? Votbek (talk) 04:32, 19 April 2023 (UTC)


 * @Votbek: I have taken a look and while there isn't much reported about her, there may be enough to scrape WP:BASIC. I'll see what I can do. Seemed she may have been particularly more notable just for her name though! Bungle (talk • contribs) 17:23, 20 April 2023 (UTC)
 * @Votbek: I have just published a new article on her, using her better known name from her time in Europe, Gisela Werbezirk‎. Bungle (talk • contribs) 21:19, 23 April 2023 (UTC)

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Lady Montague
Shakespeare's cultural weight is so enormous that this spelling of Montague has become standard. I turned the page to a disambig because, while looking for Lady Montagu, I was redirected to Lady Montague, not realizing there was an alternate spelling. For this reason, I am respectfully changing that page back to a disambig as I, an actual Wikipedia reader, was misdirected; a disambig would have been of more service to me. Thmazing (talk) 15:37, 29 April 2023 (UTC)


 * @Thmazing, I'm not sure if you're aware that Lady Montagu is already a redirect to the article you were seemingly looking for, so quite why you have ended up being "misdirected", I am unsure. I guess my thought was that Lady Montague is very specific to the character, unlike the actual poet, who has a slightly different name and already has a shortened redirected term. That said, as the article in question was only a redirect, and not an article in its own right, I am not too concerned either way. Please also consider the pages that linked to this article which should now be disambiguated. Bungle (talk • contribs) 21:01, 29 April 2023 (UTC)


 * That's a good point. I'll take care of it. Thmazing (talk) 21:47, 29 April 2023 (UTC)


 * I fixed them all, but I'm going to think more about this. I suspect the problem you propose will be more common than my problem. Thmazing (talk) 21:51, 29 April 2023 (UTC)

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Patricia Knox


Hello, sorry for the last time, but now could you please help me create an article for American actress Patricia Knox, who appeared in more than 36 films, including co-starring alonside Buster Crabbe and Al St. John on the film Gentlemen with Guns?Votbek (talk) 22:25, 13 May 2023 (UTC)


 * @Votbek: I'll take a look and see what is available for sourcing and if it's viable. No guarantees though, but will check. Bungle (talk • contribs) 22:44, 13 May 2023 (UTC)
 * Hi again Bungle, maybe this might help? Votbek (talk) 06:30, 14 May 2023 (UTC)
 * @Votbek: I did a quick skim yesterday and did find some hits, I just haven't explored them thoroughly yet. That said, I was a little uncertain with Gisela Werbezirk too at first, but she turned out to be both well covered and quite interesting! Bungle (talk • contribs) 06:39, 14 May 2023 (UTC)
 * Hi, how is it going? Votbek (talk) 16:10, 21 May 2023 (UTC)
 * @Votbek: Better than I thought. I have found some reasonable historic coverage that I am putting together; reckon I could post something in a few days, unless I start to question myself! Bungle (talk • contribs) 16:27, 21 May 2023 (UTC)
 * @Votbek: It seems there may be more than one actress by this name from around that time, as I am seeing coverage which simply doesn't match up (hence the reason for the delay, as I can't publish something clearly wrong). The wikidata page suggests her DOB as 1926-08-06, so this link about a Patricia Knox actress can't be right, as this one married in 1938. Likewise, this article from 1955 says she was 22 at the time, so assumed DOB c.1933. I may end up doing a draft instead, however if it indeed appears to be there were 2 people, around the same time, with the same name and profession, it could be messy trying to untangle that. I think the marriage coverage is someone entirely different and the actress in question is the sister of Ronnie Knox. Bungle (talk • contribs) 17:56, 26 May 2023 (UTC)
 * William Hall in in Escape by Night (1937).jpg'' (1937)]]
 * I understand, so what if instead you help me create an article for actor William Hall (do not confuse with William Hall (actor)) who was the lead in Escape by Night and has more of 68 credits? Votbek (talk) 04:21, 30 May 2023 (UTC)
 * Sure, i'll take a look. Could be confusing maybe with the newer actor, but this older actor was born William Langan, so I guess that is potentially an article title with appropriate redirects, if it's viable. Bungle (talk • contribs) 08:36, 30 May 2023 (UTC)
 * Hi, how is it going with the article of William Langan, better? Votbek (talk) 04:40, 7 June 2023 (UTC)
 * I have a draft in notepad, but will probably publish to draftspace first as needs some fine tuning, but I am confident an article on this individual is viable, based on the source material I have already found. Bungle (talk • contribs) 21:16, 7 June 2023 (UTC)

William Hall (actor)
Votbek: I have published a first draft at Draft:William Langan. It's already fairly comprehensive, as sources are pretty decent, so an article is most certainly viable. I am not too sure what ultimate article title we'll have yet, as there is also a current actor called William Langan too. We'll use that for the moment and maybe for the main article as it's a vacant title. Feel free to expand the filmography. I still need to expand from the sources and tidy up the prose. Bungle (talk • contribs) 21:25, 15 June 2023 (UTC)


 * Maybe I was thinking a title like this one (Paul Smith (American actor, born 1929)) can give us an idea. Votbek (talk) 01:22, 16 June 2023 (UTC)
 * Or we can leave the title like that as he was the first one. Votbek (talk) 13:58, 18 June 2023 (UTC)
 * Also the other William Langan hasn't had yet a notably career to have an article. Votbek (talk) 14:01, 18 June 2023 (UTC)
 * True, but this person was really only known as "William Hall", so I still am unsure if we go with a redirect to a title you suggest or place him at William Langan until the modern actor has an article. Also I still want to expand the article more and tidy the prose, so i'll publish to mainspace once done (please don't AfC submit, but feel free to expand further). Thanks. Bungle (talk • contribs) 14:18, 18 June 2023 (UTC)
 * Yeah, sorry for that, also I was thinking that you can redirect the article to this title:William Hall (actor, born 1903) Votbek (talk) 16:01, 18 June 2023 (UTC)
 * It may even be a call to make the current William Hall (actor) article a DAB, as that person has very few pageviews so can't be seen as a clear primary topic. Also, don't worry about adding the AfC notice - i'll publish to mainspace under a suitable title once it's tidied up. It isn't necessary to clog up AfC for this. Bungle (talk • contribs) 18:02, 18 June 2023 (UTC)
 * Ok, thank you, I will continue to expand the filmography before being pulbish to mainspace with a suitable title. Votbek (talk) 12:38, 19 June 2023 (UTC)
 * @Votbek: I have pretty much finished what I wanted to do with this now, and plan to publish soon, perhaps under a title akin to your suggestion above (and I may then make William Hall (actor) a DAB, as that individual isn't especially notable). Feel free to make any adjustments, such as to filmography in the meantime. Bungle (talk • contribs) 21:35, 2 July 2023 (UTC)

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Regarding 'Rajputra'
Hello Bungle, I would like to inform you that I have reverted your edit in Rajputra since the redirect was an undue one, created in order to promote the Rajput caste! This has recently been discussed (see User talk:Bishonen) and the editor Dympies was blocked for the same as per WP:GS/CASTE! Thanks & Regards. Ekdalian (talk) 18:32, 25 June 2023 (UTC)


 * @Ekdalian: I'm indifferent to that if I am being honest (and I even said in the edit summary that if it's reverted, with a expectation it may be, then AfD may be the better route). I am struggling to follow the discussion on Bishonen's talk page, but it seems to mostly relate to editing behaviour by Dympies than specifically about this article in question. I saw this in NPP and happened to agree with the concern around WP:NOTDICT but I didn't feel a PROD was appropriate, as it's clearly not uncontroversial and had been a redirect since 2006 (that's a long time).
 * Ironically, this is now back to being PROD through your revert, despite your clear objection. Bungle (talk • contribs) 19:14, 25 June 2023 (UTC)

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DYK for Gisela Werbezirk
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Draft:Ed Cassidy (actor)
Hello again, thank you for the article of William Hall (actor, born 1903), now can you help me improve this draft of American actor Draft:Ed Cassidy (actor)?, because sadly the draft is still lacking of reliable information and sources for to be summited. Votbek (talk) 16:24, 6 July 2023 (UTC)


 * Hi, I have one or two potential new articles I am considering at the moment, so I want to try and see if I can get them done before I look at something else. I see the article in question was sent to draft and already has a promising foundation, so probably just a case of asserting notability. Bungle (talk • contribs) 09:22, 8 July 2023 (UTC)

Nomination for deletion of Template:Font style
Template:Font style has been nominated for deletion. You are invited to comment on the discussion at the entry on the Templates for discussion page. – Jonesey95 (talk) 15:54, 24 July 2023 (UTC)


 * @Jonesey95: That's fine, I agree it isn't serving a purpose (although I had originally intended for it to do so) and given it's not an overly complex one to recreate if needs be, I submitted it to WP:CSD myself. Bungle (talk • contribs) 18:20, 25 July 2023 (UTC)

Jennifer Lynn Affleck
Why did you put r from long name too? R from married name is enough. ErceÇamurOfficial (talk) 08:48, 16 August 2023 (UTC)


 * Well, it is a long name too.. Bungle (talk • contribs) 15:49, 16 August 2023 (UTC)

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Actress Inez Cooper
Hi Bungle, could you please create an article for American actress Inez Cooper, who appeared in 22 films? Votbek (talk) 09:59, 14 October 2023 (UTC)


 * @Votbek: I'll certainly take a look at this. I see she was the lead role in Wings Over the Pacific, so i'd like to think we can assert notability on that at least. I'll see if it's viable to put a draft together. Bungle (talk • contribs) 11:57, 15 October 2023 (UTC)
 * There are a few decent historic newspaper clips such as this, this and this which should be enough to flesh out at least something of start class, I reckon. Bungle (talk • contribs) 18:00, 20 October 2023 (UTC)
 * @Votbek: I have been casually building this up over the past few weeks, and have now finally published the article. There was a reasonable amount of source material to be found, despite her relatively unremarkable career. Not sure about 22 films though, or at least not that many notable ones! Bungle (talk • contribs) 18:56, 19 November 2023 (UTC)

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Murders of the Dickason children
Thank you for checking over this article! I see another editor suggested to adding an image to the article. What do you think would be the best possible way? Would a non-free file be suitable? Similar to how this one was added at Ahamed Samsudeen. Thank you! ArleneHerman (talk) 21:34, 31 October 2023 (UTC)


 * @ArleneHerman, I didn't so much look at the target article you linked, but tried to make the redirect of the person slightly more specific, with tags. Realistically, I can't see how you could add anything other than non-free, unless a member of the public happened to get a shot of the individual in a public place and uploaded it with an open license. Any image used from the media, unless stated otherwise, would have to pass the strict non-free image criteria (but possible). Bungle (talk • contribs) 21:39, 31 October 2023 (UTC)
 * Yea! That's what I'm thinking too @Bungle. Thank you! I'll look into what might work! Thanks again! ArleneHerman (talk) 21:43, 31 October 2023 (UTC)

Malvina Kaplan page
Hey, I thought I changed the page enough, I'll keep working on it. Sorry thought it was already good enough as a stub for now. Thanks for the heads up and for having informed me :).

Homerethegreat (talk) 19:02, 4 November 2023 (UTC)


 * @Homerethegreat: I checked this before tagging, and the comparisons are so closely related, that it's very clearly still a violation. The changes you alluded to are unfortunately too obvious when looking at the source material side-by-side and fall way short of even barely acceptable paraphrasing. Bungle (talk • contribs) 19:05, 4 November 2023 (UTC)
 * I see, I think you're right. Obviously not enough was changed. I have further worked on it now and will continue doing so. Please feel free to check and decide if you feel the progress has been adequate enough. Homerethegreat (talk) 19:19, 4 November 2023 (UTC)
 * @Homerethegreat: Still too close for me. Changing the odd word here and there isn't really enough, when blocks of sentences are broadly aligned with the source material. You can enter the article on https://copyvios.toolforge.org/ and see this yourself. The percentage comparison has decreased, but it highlights too much similarities, in my opinion. I appreciate paraphrasing can be a challenge, and I don't profess to be an expert in this either, but this is clearly too close. Bungle (talk • contribs) 19:24, 4 November 2023 (UTC)
 * I ran it now and it said it's 22.5%.
 * I've tried rearranging, shifting and changing much of the language. Hopefully it's alright now. Although some chronological aspects (in respect to her time during the holocaust) I fear to change in order to not mistakenly distort her story.
 * (Of course I appreciate the time you're dedicating for this, thanks for the big help).
 * Thank you for helping me improve the article :) Homerethegreat (talk) 19:39, 4 November 2023 (UTC)
 * @Homerethegreat, lets consider:
 * Source material: "In 1944, Malvina's Jewish identity was discovered and she was deported to Auschwitz, Ravensbruck and Malchow. In the spring of 1945, she was saved by a rescue operation organized by Count Bernadotte"
 * Wiki article: "..in 1944, Malvina's Jewish identity was discovered and she was subsequently deported to Auschwitz, Ravensbruck and then to Malchow. In the spring of 1945, she was saved in a rescue operation organized by the Count Bernadotte"
 * If you can do something about that, then maybe it won't be something to delete in entirety, and just revision deletions of the offending material. Bungle (talk • contribs) 19:48, 4 November 2023 (UTC)
 * Alright, but except that sentence, the rest is ok? I checked the copyvios.tool and it's now 14.5%, it says violation unlikely. Homerethegreat (talk) 19:56, 4 November 2023 (UTC)
 * @Homerethegreat, I guess it's an adequate improvement. Don't pay much attention to the "violation unlikely" message, as this is just a guide. I still think you could further improve the prose so it's more distant from the source material, but I guess we can just look at revdel now. Bungle (talk • contribs) 20:03, 4 November 2023 (UTC)
 * What is revdel?
 * Emm, in the program you sent it put emphasis on a sentence or two that I think should stay the same. The Artists' Quarter of Safed, is the name of the place for example. Homerethegreat (talk) 20:08, 4 November 2023 (UTC)

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Women in Red
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 * Thanks Ipigott. You may not remember, but just barely over 2 years ago, you invited me to join the project following an afd we were involved in and after I expanded some articles on women at the time. This actually lead me into developing some from scratch (helped by the suggestions of a particular editor on my talk page), so I guess I sort of joined in November 2021, just unofficially ;) Bungle (talk • contribs) 17:15, 25 November 2023 (UTC)


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Talk:Merseyrail
Hi Bungle, don't know how much of the situation from this page you know of, but this is effectively a blocked user from before (User:Wisdom-inc) coming back on this page. Just in case you weren't aware... Mattdaviesfsic (talk) 20:01, 28 December 2023 (UTC)


 * @Mattdaviesfsic, Thanks, I am very aware, especially as I don't really know of a different editor to have this long-standing debate in this way (in fact, I was going to express my strong suspicions in my message, but having warned them about WP:NPA, I didn't want to fall foul of WP:AGF, even though WP:DUCK applies). Bungle (talk • contribs) 20:05, 28 December 2023 (UTC)
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 * @Spinixster, I wasn't sure why I got a ping on this, but then realised it's probably due to the fact I created the last GA page from archive discussion a few years back. Bungle (talk • contribs) 08:47, 21 January 2024 (UTC)
 * That could be. I used a script called GAR-helper, so it must've notified you by mistake. My apologies. Spinixster   (chat!)  08:48, 21 January 2024 (UTC)

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Charles Irwin (actor)
Hello, could you please help me create an article for Irish actor Charles Irwin (actor), who appeared more than 180 projects including The Wizard of Oz? Byejai (talk) 04:02, 18 February 2024 (UTC)


 * @Byejai, I have had a quick look at the newspaper archives. It seems at least 1 other person by the same name was an actor around the same time too. I have a few other articles I am working on too, and this may be something less straightforward. Bungle (talk • contribs) 19:18, 18 February 2024 (UTC)
 * Charles Evans in Stories of the Century (L.H. Musgrove).jpg, episode L. H. Musgrove'' (1955)]]
 * Okay, so what if you help me instead create and article for English actor Charles Evans (actor), having more than 165 credits on his career? Byejai (talk) 08:38, 19 February 2024 (UTC)

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Jo Ann Marlowe
Hello Bungle, I recently made this article about child actress Jo Ann Marlowe, could you please help me improve it?🙏🙏 Byejai (talk) 13:57, 26 February 2024 (UTC)


 * @Byejai, i'll take a look when I get a moment (still got a few sources open for other articles). Bungle (talk • contribs) 22:17, 27 February 2024 (UTC)
 * @Byejai, I have expanded the career and personal life with some old newspaper content. Good shout on creating the article. Bungle (talk • contribs) 19:47, 17 March 2024 (UTC)

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Jayne Hazard
Hello again, could you please help me create an article for actress Jayne Hazard? Byejai (talk) 13:22, 17 April 2024 (UTC)


 * @Byejai, I thought you had left wikipedia editing? I can see Hazard has coverage, not a great deal of it WP:SIGCOV, so if an article is viable, I'm not expecting it on the same level as some previous ones. Bungle (talk • contribs) 18:10, 17 April 2024 (UTC)

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Robert Strange (actor)
Hello, could you please help me create an article for American actor Robert Strange, who appeared in films with high profile actor such as Special Agent (alongside Bette Davis and George Brent), High Sierra (alongside Ida Lupino and Humphrey Bogart), Adventures of Captain Marvel (alongside Tom Tyler and Frank Coghlan, Jr.) and The Mad Monster (alongside George Zucco and Glenn Strange)? P.S.:I would really like your help because according to IMDB there is a much modern actor with the same name. CheAjlt (talk) 22:47, 6 June 2024 (UTC)


 * I can take a look when I get a moment. If the other actor by same name is more contemporary, it should not conflate with historic sources, I hope. Bungle (talk • contribs) 16:15, 7 June 2024 (UTC)
 * Ok, thank you very much!! CheAjlt (talk) 17:09, 7 June 2024 (UTC)
 * I'm not really seeing WP:SIGCOV on this individual needed to create an article. Mostly just passing mentions, no clear assertion of notability. His film roles seemed to have been limited to supporting, rather than any leading. There appears to have been a playing ground by the same name (curiously), around the same period, which further overstates the search returns. Bungle (talk • contribs) 19:55, 8 June 2024 (UTC)
 * I know, but I think it’s still possible to do him an article, there are much other individuals with lesser notabilty that do have articles, such as Fay Webb, who only had one uncredited film role. CheAjlt (talk) 22:35, 10 June 2024 (UTC)
 * As you may have observed, I'm only interested in writing articles with a meaningful amount of content and information, rather than a stub. Notability isn't directly linked to profession, and in the case of Fay Webb, her marriage, separation and divorce made mainstream media news for several years and was very well reported. She is not notable as an actress, and the article doesn't state this. With Robert Strange, there is little I am seeing about how we could assert him as notable.
 * I have no issue creating an article on a late individual from a bygone era, as evidenced by my creations, if there are sources which clearly support they were notable in some capacity. Bungle (talk • contribs) 06:27, 11 June 2024 (UTC)

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