User talk:Burnt-sienna

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Hello Burnt-sienna. I saw your suggestion about including material in the entry on John Howard concerning his attitude and potential/real effect on global warming. I support this and included the following on the relevant Talk page: I agree with your arguments that John Howard's role in obstructing real change in the area of human responses to global warming is exceptionally significant and should be mentioned. Only some very dodgy "global warming skeptics" now oppose the scientific consensus on the human contribution to global climate change. In my view as a scientist, they are in the same class as those who think that HIV does not cause AIDS, that CFCs don't affect the ozone layer, or flat Earthers (yes, there are still some of them around!). The potential damage from global warming is truly staggering as pointed out recently in the Stern Report. Why don't you try drafting a short section on it so that people can see how it might look in context in the article. Remember, it is best to be bold! If you do make a contribution, don't be put off by certain people jumping in and immediately accusing you of "vandalism" or "vexatiousness" with no real discussion, as happened to me recently when I made some changes to this article. Danlibbo, "maybe" is rather fence-sitting, don't you think? And I am not sure what you mean by "either it has to be deleted in a short while anyway or there should be a section on all those previous 'attitudes' that he's masterfully navigated his way through eg.....". Why would it have to be deleted in a short while? If anything, doesn't the evidence indicate that it will increase in importance as time passes? And if Howard's role in this is indeed exceptionally significant, doesn't that mean that it is worth mentioning, as opposed to, say, the GST, which I don't think anyone could argue is in the same league of importance as global warming? I would like to see some more NPOV discussion of this. AussieBoy 07:01, 10 November 2006 (UTC)

Howards "War Record"
There is an RFC on Howard's talk page you might like to contribute to Albatross2147 08:25, 22 November 2006 (UTC)