User talk:Bus stop/Archive4

Tom Wesselmann
seem ok? By the way, glad to see I'm not the only established editor who gets blocked around here ;) Ceoil  23:00, 1 July 2011 (UTC)


 * Hi Ceoil. Thanks, but I don't agree with the the whole found objects/found art terminology in relation to Tom Wesselmann. In my opinion it is unnecessary. Bus stop (talk) 03:43, 3 July 2011 (UTC)

Inquiry on AfDs
Hi Bus stop, I'm interestd in the AfDs process in Wikipedia and notice that you once involved in AfDs. I'm not sure whether you find that some discussers are admins while some are not. I'm just wondering whether you care about the adminships of the participants in deletion discussions. Does the referee's adminship affect your attitude towards the result of AfDs? Thanks. Bluesum (talk) 02:41, 11 July 2011 (UTC)

Talk page guidelines
See here: Wikiquette_alerts.

AndyTheGrump (talk) 03:03, 20 July 2011 (UTC)

hatting
Is basically hiding - I would remove the hatting completely - but if its there fopr a reason allow Andy to adding the post that he feels is misleading also. Off2riorob (talk) 18:19, 4 August 2011 (UTC)

Tawana Brawley
Bus stop, it's nice to find myself in complete agreement with you for a change. :) Cheers, -- J N  466  12:17, 14 August 2011 (UTC)
 * Thanks for that expressed sentiment. : ) Bus stop (talk) 17:20, 14 August 2011 (UTC)

BLP stuff
Hey :) I recall we may have disagreed on BLP topics before. Also (and how to put this delicately...) I have a recollection that some people on "my side" might not have treated you in the best way. However; I'm a big believer in taking two disparate view, clashing them together and turning them into a compromise.

With that in mind, I find your latest comment on WT:BLP very interesting and an area worth exploring.

''ErrantX—Categories are often not a perfect fit. In some instances the decision could be made that a person be put in mutually exclusive Categories. In such instances, part of the procedure that should be followed is to put an "alert" next to their name's listing in each of the mutually exclusive Categories explaining the name's presence in the other Category.''

When I read your first post r.e. this idea I wondered if this is what you meant - but assumed (rather stupidly) that it was not. I agree; this is a fantastic idea and would be a really interesting thing to explore.

Categorising people (and indeed most things) is sucky and hard - but with notations like those you propose we could make categorisation a lot less a binary option. As I sai in my comment - if you are viewing Cat X you are after a certain sort of individual - and such a notation system would be an interesting new level of meta-data.

The whole idea of disparate categories I agree with. After all, it does not say "Currentlty a LGBT person".

''You raise the question as to how Categories are used. I think I generally first become aware of the existence of a Category by looking at the bottom of an article's page.''

Yes, that makes sense. And I suspect my intro was the same. With that said we have to predict sensibly what readers are looking for. I suppose some subset are looking to find "Actors who are gay". And on the face of it I agree there is nothing wrong with wanting to explore that intersection.

On the other hand I argue that categorising definite intersections in themselves is non-optimal. We have Evans, categorised as a gay actor. But what if someone is looking for a gay, welsh, actor, born in the 70's. Our categories don't do much to help that. Instead our categories reflect a bias for what we consider "important" about a person (in this case sexuality).

And this is where the system is broken - categories are good for identifying notable intersections (i.e. "this guy is gay, and and actor, which is interesting because..."). But they are also used for metadata (this guy is gay, born in the 70's, and actor, etc.)

I suspect it is this ambiguity that causes so many problems.

''You mention individuals getting annoyed by being in the wrong Category. That can serve as one of our considerations—categorization according to "fuzzy criteria" can be compliant with an individual's wishes I think''

I argue, here, that it is unfair (somewhat) to say we will only respond to actual requests for category removal. The vast majority of people are confused on how WP works behind the scenes, and we are somewhat lucky, really, that Evans does not seem to be reading his WP biography. In all honesty I have had my neutrality tested by the pleas of some people to OTRS (and I am an editor who tends to favour personal requests :)), and I've only been on board there a little while.

I wonder if there is a new system we could employ - where metadata was more explicit (with the search improved to respond to that) and categories were less intersections and more tags. --Errant (chat!) 00:33, 16 August 2011 (UTC)

No misunderstanding
It is a mark of civility that one can disagree with another over a topic, and still wish them good health. Thanks for kind thoughts - as you can see, I now have the use of both hands although one is still in a sling. --Elen of the Roads (talk) 11:38, 16 August 2011 (UTC)
 * Great! My wording was a little weird. I should have just said something cliche-like, such as wishing you a speedy recovery. Anyway—those thoughts apply now. Bus stop (talk) 15:56, 16 August 2011 (UTC)

Use of edit summaries
It's generally a bad idea to use edit summaries as arguments in favor of your changes or as rebuttals to changes you are reverting, as you did here. This creates an atmosphere where reverts are used in place of talk page discussion. See WP:REVTALK for more. Regards, causa sui (talk) 21:00, 16 August 2011 (UTC)

Blocked
I don't know what choice I have. You are blocked for 31 hours for edit warring on Adam Levine. causa sui (talk) 18:21, 25 August 2011 (UTC)


 * How could one edit in 31 hours be problematic?


 * By the way I find at WP:BLP: "Contentious material about living persons that is unsourced or poorly sourced—whether the material is negative, positive, neutral, or just questionable—should be removed immediately and without waiting for discussion."


 * The statement, unsourced, about Adam Levine, that "He has rejected formal religion" should not be allowed to remain in the article for any length of time at all. No source is saying that, and it is defamatory, in the context of an individual who has in fact endorsed his being Jewish.


 * The cited source, which happens to be The Jewish Chronicle, says that, "Levine has rejected formal religious practice." Do you think The Jewish Chronicle is unaware that non-practicing Jews are Jews nevertheless?


 * There is a difference between rejecting religious practice and rejecting religion. He in fact does not reject his religion. He in fact asserts that he is a Jew.


 * The statement that "He has rejected formal religion" required removal. The source provided in support of that statement in no way supports it. And it happens to be a statement that directly contradicts Adam Levine's own statement in respect to that point. And WP:BLP clearly calls for the removal of material that is questionable in such ways.


 * But again: why, or how, is my edit a problem after the elapsed time of 31 hours? Bus stop (talk) 18:57, 25 August 2011 (UTC) Bus stop (talk) 18:40, 25 August 2011 (UTC)


 * There is no time limit on edit warring. This is a slower moving edit war, but it is an edit war. You may want to review Edit warring with an eye to what it has to say about what you were doing. If you disagree with the block, you can appeal it using unblock. causa sui (talk) 19:46, 25 August 2011 (UTC)


 * Causa sui—you Protected the article with the language "He has no formal religion" in it. Now you are blocking me for removing what is essentially the same thing: "...has rejected formal religion."


 * The language "has no formal religion/has rejected formal religion" is a WP:BLP violation. I waited 31 hours between edits; that language should have been removed sooner.


 * All sources say that Adam Levine is Jewish. How would you or anyone else arrive at the conclusion that he has no religion when he and others refer to him numerous times as a Jew?


 * Did you look at the source for "He has no formal religion" before Protecting the article with the referred-to language in it? The source says that "Levine has rejected formal religious practice". The source does not say that he has no religion. In point of fact he is Jewish. That he does not practice his religion in no way detracts from his being a Jew. It places him in crowded company—a large percentage of the Jews of the world are nonobservant. About a nonobservant Jew one does not say that they have no religion unless one wishes to offend them.


 * We do not have to support parochial views of Jews in our articles and we are unjustified in doing so when sources are not available in support of such views. Bus stop (talk) 17:30, 26 August 2011 (UTC)


 * I have no real opinion about which verbiage to use, and I won't debate it with you. The actual content dispute is very much a WP:SHED thing at this point. (As to which version I protected, I always take care to protect The Wrong Version.) I think you would do well to step away from this, frankly. The disruption caused by the edit warring vastly outweighs the significance of the thing being debated. All I have to say beyond that is that I hope you now understand what edit warring is, why edit warring is unacceptable, and why I have to block people who do it. Regards, causa sui (talk) 17:35, 26 August 2011 (UTC)


 * Causa sui—you say "I hope you now understand what edit warring is, why edit warring is unacceptable, and why I have to block people who do it."


 * But in fact you have not blocked for the addition of the material that we are discussing: Example 1, Example 2 Bus stop (talk) 18:11, 26 August 2011 (UTC)


 * I can't make myself any more clear. I blocked you for edit warring after many warnings, not for introducing inappropriate content. I doubt continued conversation will be productive, and I feel that I've more than fully explained my rationale for the block. If you still disagree with it, please use unblock. causa sui (talk) 18:39, 26 August 2011 (UTC)

Causa sui—I'm not sure how you are misunderstanding what I am saying, but you say that you did not block me for "introducing inappropriate content."

I am fully aware that you did not block me for introducing inappropriate content. I have been arguing all along that other editors have introduced inappropriate content:

"has no formal religion."

"He has no formal religion."

"He has no formal religion."

"has rejected formal religion."

"has rejected formal religion."

The above 5 instances are all inappropriate and problematic with regard to WP:BLP for the following reasons:

1. ) It is unsourced. In point of fact the source only refers to practicing the religion.

2. ) It is offensive. The individual as well as others refer to him as a Jew.

3. ) It is off-topic. The notability of the subject is that of a musician. All that is called for is a bare mention that he is Jewish. Certainly we should not be contradicting him with unsourced and gratuitously added material.

It would be my contention that there is justification for the edit I last made, but for which I was blocked. I read at WP:BLP:

"Contentious material about living persons that is unsourced or poorly sourced—whether the material is negative, positive, neutral, or just questionable—should be removed immediately and without waiting for discussion."

The material I removed is a contradiction of what Adam Levine says about himself and most importantly it is not sourced.

Furthermore, 31 hours elapsed since my previous edit. During that time I made extensive use of a discussion that I initiated at the WP:BLPN about Adam Levine.

I believe three four editors expressed some degree of support in that discussion for the removal of such extraneous material. Please see here, here, here, and here. By the way you had input into that discussion on the WP:BLPN, so were unlikely unaware that support was expressed for the trimming back of wording to little more than just a mention that Adam Levine is Jewish. Bus stop (talk) 20:45, 26 August 2011 (UTC)


 * causa sui - you really missed this one. bus stop simply said that people have been putting in bad material and he has removed it. it seems like they were taunting him. i don't care if he is blocked for 31 hours or not. i do care that you feel that his edits are incorrect (and not the way he did the editing). that is baffling. Soosim (talk) 18:20, 27 August 2011 (UTC)

What the heck are you playing at?
Bus stop, you moved my post on Talk:Adam Levine. I moved it back, explaining why I put it there. Now you have moved it again. I suggest you (a) move it back before I complain about you edit-warring, and then (b) respond to my suggested text. I thought that we were actually getting nearer a resolution of this, and now you start playing silly games with my posts. Are you actually trying to sort this issue out? If so, you seem to be going about it in a strange way... AndyTheGrump (talk) 22:09, 29 August 2011 (UTC)


 * Bus stop, we have a proposed text, based largely on your suggestions, awaiting your response. Will you please indicate whether you agree with it, and if not, then tell us why. This issue has dragged on far too long already, and I see no reason to wait for you if you are unwilling to respond. AndyTheGrump (talk) 17:13, 30 August 2011 (UTC)

Rabbi Matisyahu Salomon
Thank you for correcting the spelling of his name, but Rabbi should not be part of the name of this article.Nerguy (talk) 21:08, 30 August 2011 (UTC)

AN/I
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 * Hello. This message is being sent to inform you that there is currently a discussion at Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents regarding an issue with which you may have been involved.   Thank you.


 * Same place - I suggest you respond this time. AndyTheGrump (talk) 23:12, 4 September 2011 (UTC)

Jim Gary - Sculpture article
Thanks for letting me know, I presume that I may join in if I feel it is needed. BTW I am posting today about the listing that Gary's fine art garnered for him in Who Was Who in American Art, 1564-1975. _ _ _ _ 83d40m (talk) 19:34, 5 October 2011 (UTC)

You clearly have no idea how ineffective and counterproductive your talk-page edits are
Long-winded, overly repetitive comments put into sections where they will inevitably be considered a distraction -- yep, counterproductive. Just sayin'. Nomoskedasticity (talk) 08:15, 4 December 2011 (UTC)

Modernist painting
Here's a link to Greenberg's essay - ...Modernist (talk) 19:38, 6 December 2011 (UTC)

Celebrate
thanks Modernist Bus stop (talk) 12:51, 25 December 2011 (UTC)

Wheelie bin urinal listed at Redirects for discussion
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Thanks
Giving me a bit of hope that wikipedia isn't over political after all. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Yisraeldov (talk • contribs) 10:46, 7 February 2012 (UTC)

Talmud
I noted you are contributor of the article on Talmud so would like your advice. I wish to document the South Korean association with Talmud but am uncertain in which section to interpolate this material. Thanks Best Wishes AnkhMorpork (talk) 22:45, 27 February 2012 (UTC)

Your thoughts Best Wishes AnkhMorpork (talk) 00:04, 28 February 2012 (UTC)

WQA
If you need me to edit or need a clarification, feel free to put it on my talk page. This way we won't be obfuscating the primary WQA issue. Thanks! Gsonnenf (talk) 02:01, 9 March 2012 (UTC)

Mona Lisa
Who "considers" the Mona Lisa to be famous? Which group of people consider that? Wikipedia? The sum total of millions of visitors to the work, reproductions, parodies, etc etc make it the "most famous", but ''who" can we say "considers" it the most famous"? Is it exactly the same group of people who know its fame, or a different group? If you are going to "considers"then tell us who does the considering.

And as for leaving leeway that there might be an equally famous picture: There is no equally famous painting. The Last Supper and Michelangelo's Creation of Adam come in behind it.

Amandajm (talk) 02:44, 11 March 2012 (UTC)

the exodus
I noticed your comment on Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Religion. There is currently a dispute on the exodus that we could use your assistance on. Please take a look, and comment on the talk page (Talk:The_Exodus)Quarkgluonsoup (talk) 15:23, 14 March 2012 (UTC)

Sandbox draft of the exodus
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 * The sandbox version of the exodus article has been moved to Talk:The_Exodus/Draft.Quarkgluonsoup (talk) 16:03, 20 March 2012 (UTC)



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BusStop: According to worldwide Jewry and the state of Israel, those of mostly African descent are not and cannot be considered as Jews. As much as you may want that to be the truth, if you are African American, or if you are mostly black (as in, your features identify you as Negroid), you cannot possibly be a Jew or a Jewish person as Jew and Jewish person are defined today.

Please vote/comment
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Does this help?
Hi,

I need your feedback about a source. This article addresses the issue of Adam Yauch's religious adherence pretty explicitly. It stated, “ The 27-year-old Jewish-born rapper wants to maintain his Jewish traditions and calls the conversion spiritual, rather than religious . ”

Does this mean something? Brendon is here  10:47, 26 May 2012 (UTC)
 * WP:CAT/R says, "For a dead person, there must be a verified consensus of reliable published sources that the description is appropriate" is it applicable in that RfC? Brendon is  here  11:40, 26 May 2012 (UTC)

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Not conducive to collaborative editing
Thank you for the support on this fracas at the Freud page. I did submit this problem to "Editor assistance," but I have not gotten any responses. If I can be of help to restore a bit of neutrality to the Freud lead, I am happy to do it, and I know more than enough about Freud and all the related epistemic issues to be helpful, but I don't have time or energy to fight off an editor like Polisher of Cobwebs. Even if I did, I feel pessimistic that the restoration of balance would remain indefinitely on a page that treats such a divisive topic. The Freud page used to be "good" and is no longer--what would safeguard against it becoming bad again, even if I improve it? Certainly I cannot devote the same level of vigilance to it that Polisher of Cobwebs does. If you have further ideas for how to proceed or want further input from me, let me know, I guess at my Talk page? Will that generate an email alert to me?Hypoplectrus (talk) 21:38, 14 June 2012 (UTC)


 * Hypoplectrus, it is not a good idea to suggest, even by implication, that other editors are insane. If you haven't gotten any responses at Editor assistance, then that's because you're going about things the wrong way - you're expecting other editors to automatically agree with you about quite controversial issues, and it just doesn't work that way, I'm afraid. That you talk about "fighting off" other editors shows that you are approaching disagreements in the wrong spirit, and that's a turn off for all concerned. (And incidentally, the Freud article was already deemed not 'good' when I started working on it). Polisher of Cobwebs (talk) 22:25, 14 June 2012 (UTC)


 * Disagreement is part and parcel of the activity of collaborative editing. It is how one goes about it that matters. While one should be clear on where one stands, one should attempt to be low key. As I pointed out in my post here, I find this type of post, reading: "If you cite Eric Kandel's views in the lead, I will remove them", to be unnecessarily provocative. (I changed the section title here on my Talk page. It used to read, "Insanity at the Freud Page.") Bus stop (talk) 02:15, 15 June 2012 (UTC)


 * I can understand why you might feel that way, Bus stop, but I wasn't trying to be provocative. Hypoplectrus made clear what material he wanted to add to the lead, and I made it clear that I didn't think that material was suitable for the lead. It might have come across the wrong way, but I was simply trying to be honest and direct. Polisher of Cobwebs (talk) 02:45, 15 June 2012 (UTC)


 * Please see WP:OWN. Bus stop (talk) 04:16, 15 June 2012 (UTC)


 * It's quite clear to any rational observer which of the two users involved in this disagreement--myself, Hypoplectrus versus Polisher of Cobwebs--has expressed an openness to dialogue and which one has refused to and with remarkable hostility. You can see that on the Freud Talk pages, but you can also see Polisher of Cobwebs's harassment and intimidation tactics in action right here!  Polisher of Cobwebs has not only reverted all my edits to the Freud lead without any willingness to compromise, he follows me to any Talk page I go to and attempts to interfere with my communications with other editors.  If Polisher of Cobwebs is so confident that he is in the right regarding his conduct and I, Hypoplectrus, is in the wrong, and so confident that the system here at Wikipedia will bear that out, then why doesn't he just let the system take its course?  Obviously, Polisher of Cobwebs is afraid that without managing the discussion anywhere and everywhere it arises, by what they seem to call here at Wikipedia harassment, hounding, uncivility, etc., he will not be able to retain exclusive control over the debate and over the Freud article lead.  It seems that he is having great success with this approach (which he will contest in approximately 5 seconds, 4 3 2 1...) and that reflects the vulnerability of Wikipedia to abuses at the hands of the abusive.  Polisher of Cobwebs, I am not at present making edits to the Freud page, because you have made it impossible for me to do so, will you kindly leave me alone?Hypoplectrus (talk) 14:58, 15 June 2012 (UTC)


 * Bus stop, does it make sense at this point to request outside review of Polisher of Cobwebs's User conduct? You are more experienced editing Wikipedia than I am (yes, I know, Polisher of Cobwebs, you are more experienced with Wikipedia too, if not with common courtesy).  Please advise.Hypoplectrus (talk) 15:03, 15 June 2012 (UTC)


 * In my humble opinion continued work on the article and its associated Talk page is the best course of action. That is purely my personal perspective. The downside is that it's a long slog. But in my opinion your best bet at improving the article is to present your case persuasively, including sources of course, on the Talk page, and then to introduce that material which relates to Talk page discussion, to article space. I think the aim is to let other editors know what prospective changes are being contemplated, and then to let other editors see the actual form that you envision that material to assume in the article. This approach involves other editors in an informed way as to the nature of the direction that the article may take. It is all about persuading other editors of the wisdom of the approach that you envision. But yes, it is time consuming. I'm just not a big fan of Wikipedia's drama classes. So I tend to avoid trying to prosecute people for conduct issues. I don't like to see one or a few editors maintain control over such an article as the one we are discussing. I find it refreshing to see new input and I don't like to see enthusiastic ideas squelched before they even get off the ground. But these are just personal opinions and you should just take them with a grain of salt. Bus stop (talk) 15:30, 15 June 2012 (UTC)

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Marilyn Diptych
What I meant is that I'm not sure which of the Tate buildings it is currently held in. Zagal e jo^^^ 04:28, 18 July 2012 (UTC)


 * Yes, I concluded that too late. Sorry to be testy. I also see you initiated and put a lot into that article. Good job. Bus stop (talk) 04:39, 18 July 2012 (UTC)

I replied to you...
This is how the Talkback Template works. It makes it simple for people to see the answer to their question, doesn't it? Tlqk56 (talk) 00:02, 24 July 2012 (UTC)
 * Thank you. Good to know. Bus stop (talk) 18:44, 25 July 2012 (UTC)

SPA
You were tagged in this edit rather unkindly as an SPA which I decided was quite unfair and elected to remove. ' Ankh '. Morpork  17:29, 25 July 2012 (UTC)
 * Thank you. Bus stop (talk) 18:43, 25 July 2012 (UTC)

ANI
Though you will likely see it anyway, please make sure you're aware of this. JN is perhaps expecting you to see it via participation in the earlier thread, but I think direct notification is better. Nomoskedasticity (talk) 17:42, 17 August 2012 (UTC)
 * Thanks. Bus stop (talk) 19:39, 17 August 2012 (UTC)
 * Thanks, Nomo. I was just going to drop a courtesy message here in case Bus stop hadn't seen it.  J N  466  10:31, 18 August 2012 (UTC)

At this point, you're just being trolled. You should probably just take it off your watchlist and avoid it for now. They are clearly baiting you into behaving badly and then using it against you. Don't fall for it. Viriditas (talk) 09:22, 22 August 2012 (UTC)


 * You are probably right. By the way I want to say that I have appreciated your solidarity. That includes the reasoning that we both tried to engage in at the Talk page of the "British Jews" article. And of course I have appreciated your support at the AN/I attempting to prevent me from merely enforcing policy, as I think we both were trying to do at the "British Jews" Talk page recently. Bus stop (talk) 09:36, 22 August 2012 (UTC)

confusing post
I received a new message notice for this http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:83d40m&diff=next&oldid=509145608 It is really confusing to me. Seems that two unrelated articles are involved... Do not know what this could have to do with the Sarasota News Leader article, Can you please clarify? _ _ _ _ 83d40m (talk) 15:24, 27 August 2012 (UTC)

I don't know what you are referring to regarding the preceding edit, ''Revision as of 21:19, 25 August 2012 (edit) 83d40m (talk | contribs) (→‎Nomination of Sarasota News Leader for deletion: reply again) ← Previous edit'', regarding a new article afd discussion... _ _ _ _ 83d40m (talk) 18:40, 27 August 2012 (UTC)

Thanks for clarifying the note to me.

I am aware that we disagree, I think that was explored in 2011. I rely upon the immediate international coverage of Gary's death to indicate his status as a sculptor and believe it qualifies him for recognition for our readers. He was memorialized by the NYT, Time, ABC-TV, and most other prominent media. The numbers of people who attended exhibitions of his work while he was alive, could exceed some of the sculptors you list readily. His fine art is privately held internationally and never is cast off and sent to auction.

Without a doubt, he is the best example I have seen for the use of diverse materials in his work, so I have placed him among those being discussed in that vein. I suspect that you focus too closely on his whimsical works for a value judgment that might just be very personal. That is like focusing on Calder's circus and disqualifying him from discussion as a serious sculptor. The subject matter of dinosaurs was followed by Calder when he created a Stegosaurus after he met Gary and saw his. Chamberlain worked with automobile parts. Picasso often chose animal subjects in his sculpture. Gary's works are a thousand times more complex than Picasso's Bull head, yet are easily as effective a use of unchanged existing materials to create another image and they are created with the highest of skills. Our readers deserve to see not merely academic judgments, but works identified as notable in their lifetimes by everyday sources. As a fellow editor here, I will persist in placing entries where I see this as fitting and I would hope that you do not take that personally, as I respect your skills even though we do disagree on this point. I would prefer that the entry not be deleted. Am posting this at the sculpture talk page also also. _ _ _ _ 83d40m (talk) 21:06, 27 August 2012 (UTC)

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Thank you for your contribution @ LG Williams
Hi Bus stop! Thanks for coming by and helping out at the LG Williams wiki page. I appreciate your edit and sound comment -- hopefully there will be more in the future. Respectfully --Hellartgirl (talk) 05:22, 7 September 2012 (UTC)

What's your point?
I'm correcting the article due its Talmudist and Anti-Christian bias. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Nickidewbear (talk • contribs) 05:27, 25 September 2012 (UTC)

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Soft Power really does have something to do with what curators like
The point could be illustrated with art world infatuation with contemporary Chinese artist Ai Weiwei, or the widespread suspicion that the CIA used Abstract Expressionism to promote notions ao US mystique and sophistication. Matnatlak (talk) 02:00, 21 October 2012 (UTC)

RE:"Art nude"
Now Nude (art); See my comments "What Now?" on my talk page. FigureArtist (talk) 03:58, 29 October 2012 (UTC)
 * I have moved the comments to my main user page as an Editor's Statement, responses are welcome.FigureArtist (talk) 15:15, 30 October 2012 (UTC)

New jersey question rephrased
Is there any "safe area" parts of Irvington? I know that city/township has a high crime rate bu does it have any safe areas like parks, beaches, or neighborhoods or schools? Venustar84 (talk)` —Preceding undated comment added 00:50, 7 December 2012 (UTC)

Vargas
Re this -- there's currently an RfC at the article talk page on this issue. Nomoskedasticity (talk) 21:23, 18 February 2013 (UTC)

words
This is not directly related, so I'll ask you here... Have you ever participated in the endless move-discussion at Genesis creation narrative? Choyoołʼįįhí:Seb az86556 > haneʼ 19:17, 20 February 2013 (UTC)


 * lol yup. Bus stop (talk) 19:19, 20 February 2013 (UTC)
 * Yeah, see... the reason why that's at "narrative" is (we're told) because most people understand "myth" as lie, or at least false. Academically and by the dictionary, that's of course nonsense, but most people understand it that way. In the same way, most people understand "American" to mean citizen of the United States. Choyoołʼįįhí:Seb az86556 > haneʼ 19:23, 20 February 2013 (UTC)


 * This RfC is primarily concerning the term "Filipino-American" and only secondarily concerning the term "American". Bus stop (talk) 19:46, 20 February 2013 (UTC)
 * The same point holds true. Most people will understand citizen of the United States. Choyoołʼįįhí:Seb az86556 > haneʼ 20:11, 20 February 2013 (UTC)

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...for watching out for me. :) ←Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots→ 12:20, 27 May 2013 (UTC)


 * Nary a problem... Bus stop (talk) 14:19, 27 May 2013 (UTC)

Need your opinion on a BLP matter
Hi. Can you offer your thoughts in this discussion? Thanks. Nightscream (talk) 15:12, 15 June 2013 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Featured article candidates/Whaam!/archive1
Since you were a participant at Peer review/Whaam!/archive1 and WikiProject Military history/Assessment/Whaam!‎, I am informing you that Featured article candidates/Whaam!/archive1 is now open.--TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 21:14, 14 July 2013 (UTC)
 * You seem to be wearing out everyone at Featured article candidates/Whaam!/archive1. I don't know how to get your support, but am willing to listen to a brief summary of things that need to be added or deleted from the article.--TonyTheTiger (T/C/WP:FOUR/WP:CHICAGO/WP:WAWARD) 05:25, 29 July 2013 (UTC)
 * TonyTheTiger—you can feel free to weigh in at the link that you provide above or more specifically at this section. Bus stop (talk) 13:46, 29 July 2013 (UTC)

Gateways
Thanks for the heads-up.  DRosenbach  ( Talk 21:17, 16 July 2013 (UTC)

Featured article candidates/Whaam!/archive1
Featured article candidates/Whaam!/archive1 is now three weeks old and has now had over 250KB of discourse. I don't think I have ever been involved in an FAC like this. As I stated at the beginning of this FAC, Whaam! will experience the 50th anniversary of its first exhibition on September 28 that I hope can be celebrated at WP:TFAR. Before that, however, we must make a decision on the quality of this article here at WP:FAC. Please consider making a Support or Oppose decision some time soon.--TonyTheTiger (T/C/WP:FOUR/WP:CHICAGO/WP:WAWARD) 00:15, 4 August 2013 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Featured article candidates/Whaam!/archive2
Since you were active at FAC1, I am notifying you of Featured article candidates/Whaam!/archive2.--TonyTheTiger (T/C/WP:FOUR/WP:CHICAGO/WP:WAWARD) 17:54, 13 August 2013 (UTC)
 * Thank you. Bus stop (talk) 10:58, 14 August 2013 (UTC)

Whaam! edits
Please stop editing Whaam! without consensus. I don't want this WP:FAC to fail due to it not being stable.--TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 13:57, 28 August 2013 (UTC)

WP:TFAR nomination of Whaam!
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Barnstar

 * That's big of you, or bigamy. We are both magnanimous. Bus stop (talk) 23:34, 9 September 2013 (UTC)

Is being Jewish an ethnicity
So if you think being Jewish is just a religion, then why would we categorize actors by it at all.John Pack Lambert (talk) 17:50, 12 September 2013 (UTC)

Re NFCC #1
It may not seem like the same statement, but try and run some test cases and see if you can find a case where it doesn't hold true nonetheless. When it comes to NFCC #1, it is very difficult to prove that a non-free equivalent could be created unless the article subject is about the subject of the picture. In this case of Pakistani people, this is definitely true. There are free equivalents of Pakistani people available or they can certainly be created. The wording might not match, but 95% (number out of my butt) of cases it holds true.--v/r - TP 00:02, 13 September 2013 (UTC)
 * The wording you chose may be wording that should be found in policy. I'm objecting to statements that sound like they are extracts from policy when they are not. Bus stop (talk) 12:13, 13 September 2013 (UTC)
 * In practice, that's how it works. Run some test cases, set up some scenarios, and you'll see what I'm talking about.--v/r - TP 12:40, 13 September 2013 (UTC)
 * But the person complaining that their image was improperly removed should first be shown actual language in policy. The rewording of policy that you are presenting may be correct. But it should not be presented as if it was the actual language in policy. Bus stop (talk) 13:08, 13 September 2013 (UTC)
 * I disagree with you there. Explaining how the policy generally applies instead of using the confusing legal jargon and ambiguity is more often helpful.  This particular user didn't WP:AGF of the user informing them and that's where the failure lies.  That's a sign of a COI, honestly.  When one person's personal goals override the goals of Wikipedia, they are in conflict with their interests and Wikipedia's interests.  What we may need instead is an essay that explains what each of the general applications are for each criteria.--v/r - TP 14:08, 13 September 2013 (UTC)

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RfC request re:Peter Sellers article
Hi Bus stop. Requesting clarification from you on your preference as to the wording of the contested line in this article. Summary here. Want to ensure we're not misrepresenting your viewpoint. Thank you. --Oakshade (talk) 20:55, 9 November 2013 (UTC)

Sellers
Could you please move (or copy) your suggested replacement text out of the now-hatted section and into the main part of the "Survey" section? All other suggestions were started and discussed there, so it is right yours should be too, rather than being in the "summary" section. I have hatted the summary section because it is a misguided, misleading and biased section that should not have been started by an involved editor. Your suggestion deserves examination away from such a biased and one-sided interpretation. - SchroCat (talk) 09:24, 10 November 2013 (UTC)

Your opinion is welcomed!
As I've seen you participate in discussion at WP:Judaism in the past, please weigh in at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Judaism. Thank you! Liz Read! Talk! 19:07, 18 November 2013 (UTC)

I will appreciate it if you comment concerning my remarks in the Arab Israeli 1948 war talk page.
Hi

I will appreciate it if you comment concerning my remarks in the Arab Israeli 1948 war talk page.

I am an Israeli, but try to be objective. I am the only Israeli regular editor in these articles, and the other editors reactions are mostly negative, as expected. It is much better to hear your opinion as well. If you are not too busy, will it be possible for you to comment in the talk page.

thanks Ykantor (talk) 19:06, 21 November 2013 (UTC)

November 2013 FA Thanks
Thank you for your editorial contributions to Whaam!, which recently was promoted to WP:FA.--TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 20:04, 26 November 2013 (UTC)

Feedback
Hi Bus stop; Please add your input here:, thanks...Modernist (talk) 12:40, 27 November 2013 (UTC)

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Thanks
Dear Bus stop, thanks for helping to tidy up my recent edits at the Purim article. I was tired and it was late and I honestly missed them, so I appreciate your good work. Thanks again, IZAK (talk) 01:04, 16 December 2013 (UTC)

Happy Holidays
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Hi
Bus Stop, as I read current Wikipedia policies and guidelines, a person can be described as a Jew based on religious belief, or instead based on ethnicity, or both. If Wikipedia's description of a person as a Jew is based on religious belief, then Wikipedia requires evidence of self-identification. We cannot say that a person's religion is Jewish unless the subject has publicly self-identified with the belief. However, evidence of self-identification is not required to say that a person's ethnicity is Jewish (i.e. ethnicity is different from religion or sexual orientation).

Do you disagree with any of that? Thanks.Anythingyouwant (talk) 01:03, 29 January 2014 (UTC)


 * Policy does not directly address the differences between religions. Are all religions the same? Obviously not. Do all religions have the same form with the only variation seen in their specific components? The net effect of policy in the area that we are discussing is a "leveling effect". If you encounter a cosmologist, what type of conversation would you have with him? Would you say "all that I know about cosmology is twinkle twinkle little star"? Of course not. You would try to muster up information of substance, even if it meant doing research. Let us put aside "sexual orientation" for a moment. Do you realize how ludicrous it is, for the purpose of policy, to not only lump together "religion" with "sexual orientation", but also to lump together all religions? This is one-size-fits-all policy. It can be improved. But it is apparently an uphill battle. Bus stop (talk) 01:50, 29 January 2014 (UTC)
 * My comment above did not address what the policies and guidelines at Wikipedia should be. Instead, my comment above addressed what the policies and guidelines currently are.  All I'm asking is whether you agree about what the policies currently are.  If you're not able to recognize what current policy is, and are unwilling to follow it even while you try to improve it, then, well....it's understandable why other editors might want to keep you from editing.Anythingyouwant (talk) 01:55, 29 January 2014 (UTC)
 * Where does policy distinguish between a Jew based on religious belief and a Jew based on ethnicity? Can you please cut and paste that area of policy to me? Bus stop (talk) 02:10, 29 January 2014 (UTC)

Sure. The guideline about ethnicity and religion says: Ethnic groups may be used as categorizations....For example, we do have Category:Jewish musicians....Categories regarding religious beliefs of a living person should not be used unless the subject has publicly self-identified with the belief in question (see WP:BLPCAT), either through direct speech or through actions like serving in an official clerical position for the religion.Anythingyouwant (talk) 02:19, 29 January 2014 (UTC)

Bus stop, your responses at ANI are not helping. Perhaps you should stay away from there for a bit? Viriditas (talk) 10:31, 29 January 2014 (UTC)


 * Viriditas—OK. And thanks for your help, and kind words. Thanks. Bus stop (talk) 10:34, 29 January 2014 (UTC)

Why the self-revert at ANI?Anythingyouwant (talk) 21:15, 30 January 2014 (UTC)
 * I don't want to seem too mean-spirited. It is old—from 2012. Bus stop (talk) 21:19, 30 January 2014 (UTC)
 * That was probably wise for you to do. But, since it reflects an old but ongoing pattern, I feel it was appropriate for me to mention it (twice so far) at ANI.  Thanks for the diff.Anythingyouwant (talk) 21:23, 30 January 2014 (UTC)
 * Take care, Bus stop. You did a classy thing at ANI.  I hope the foreseeable future doesn't last too long, and that you will enjoy then having a clean slate.  Cheers.Anythingyouwant (talk) 01:03, 1 February 2014 (UTC)

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Something beautiful for the holidays

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 * ...Modernist (talk) 00:44, 24 December 2014 (UTC)

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A barnstar for you!

 * Thank you so much. My barn needed that. The chickens have been complaining that they feel like they are living in a barn. Bus stop (talk) 13:48, 20 February 2015 (UTC)
 * Sadly, I'm all out of henhouses. --Dweller (talk) 13:59, 20 February 2015 (UTC)
 * Somebody ought to design a henhouse-star, for use in minor situations in which the full barn-star is uncalled for. Bus stop (talk) 11:58, 22 February 2015 (UTC)

Thanks
Thanks for the support at Wikipedia talk:Featured article criteria, as you will see from my last posting I see no point in continuing the conversation at this time, because there is no change of changing the text at the moment. -- PBS (talk) 12:45, 3 March 2015 (UTC)
 * You're welcome. Thank you for initiating that discussion. Bus stop (talk) 16:55, 3 March 2015 (UTC)

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Bob Dylan
Hi Bus stop, I noticed the point you added and then removed on the Dylan Talk page, and I have some sympathy with the issue you raised. I also though the removal of Category:American Jews, Category:Jewish American musicians, and Category:Jewish American songwriters, with the edit summary "Dylan converted to Christianity" was odd. If you wish to make this point again, I would support you. Best wishes, Mick gold (talk) 18:27, 11 April 2015 (UTC)
 * Yes, I was just thinking of re-wording that post. I also don't relish the slugfest that could follow. It seems just self-evident that the Jewish/Christian thing is best accommodated by including both for Categorization purposes. But this issue is project-wide and I doubt anything I am going to say is going to sway a consensus of editors. Bus stop (talk) 22:29, 11 April 2015 (UTC)
 * I agree, Jewish-Christian thing is best accommodated by including both for Categorization purposes. I think majority of BD editors would support this position. Mick gold (talk) 00:15, 12 April 2015 (UTC)
 * I've posted this on Talk page. Mick gold (talk) 14:58, 12 April 2015 (UTC)

Antisemism in Ukraine
ONe has to be careful with CFCA articles. The give URLs from which they took content, but these are often Russian, and unreliable in the extreme.--Lute88 (talk) 21:03, 12 April 2015 (UTC)

Long overdue

 * Thank you very much. I appreciate it. Bus stop (talk) 02:04, 13 April 2015 (UTC)

Thank You Bus stop.
Thank you, you were correct in what you wrote, and I was wrong in what I did. In his postings, Modernist has been calling me all sorts of names, and will not enter into a serious discussion about some aspects of the WIKIPEDIA Article on Abstract Expressionism. He asked me to do some reading, and when I did, he will not discuss some of the results of the research I accomplished. In a way, he acts as if he owns the Article. An example I can offer concerns this issue about which you chided me: In the Article there is a list of "Other artists" which is introduced with: "Significant artists whose mature work relates to the American Abstract Expressionist movement:"  Note, it does not say they have to be American, only that their work relates to the AAE movement. Therefore Modernist is clearly incorrect in rejecting OlivianBRENDA inserting Romul Nuțiu into the “Other” list giving the reason “not an American abstract expressionist” when there are other non-Americans on that list, such as Wols, Kumi Sugai, Bram van Velde, Nína Tryggvadóttir, Antoni Tàpies, Nicolas de Staël and Zao Wou Ki. It does not take but a minute to read the article on Romul Nuțiu to understand why he is much like the other non-Americans in qualifying to be on that list. Thank you for listening to my wanting not to be rude, but Modernist seems to have brought out the devil in me. Please look the list and at the articles yourself, and tell me who is correct? Sirswindon (talk) 19:45, 26 April 2015 (UTC)
 * Dear BusStop, please can you direct me to any "Fine Arts (Painting)" Editors, with whom I might be able to have an intelligent dialog regarding Abstract Expressionists (and not Modernist who only wants to call me names)? I need an objective Editor, who will be willing to enter into a constructive discussion.  Thank you for suggesting someone.  Sirswindon (talk) 22:50, 30 April 2015 (UTC)

Thank you Bus Stop
I don't know your opinion on the article but a lot of people on here wouldn't have even pointed that out when it was an obvious mistake. I enjoyed looking at your artwork. Thank you for sharing them with everyone here. 2601:84:C801:6529:30DD:8C06:907E:A9EA (talk) 14:08, 3 May 2015 (UTC)

Mattress affair
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Hi Bustop. I originally saw them unrelated as well. But there's at least one reliable source that explicitly links them. I think there's enough to position them as related. Pick your battles (as they say).Mattnad (talk) 16:08, 23 June 2015 (UTC)

RfC: Religion in infoboxes of nations
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Adam Nagourney
re removal of quote "fair game for a news story" being out of context. It's in the same paragraph and verbatim so I fail to see how it is out of context. Sorry I'm a newbee and may have ref or sined incorrectly Glasseye123 (talk) 11:16, 20 June 2015 (UTC)

Mattress talk
Bus stop, could you please quit. Two, now three editors disagree with you. Move on or I will bring sanctions against you for wasting everyone's time.--A21sauce (talk) 17:01, 26 June 2015 (UTC)
 * You didn't take my noticing of your ignoring of Wiki rules very seriously so I'm going ahead. thanks--A21sauce (talk) 21:32, 28 June 2015 (UTC)

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Another Tensing vid
I can't put this in article talk per NOTFORUM, but I find this amazing. If you can find 17 free minutes, watch this and tell me if this isn't a remarkable video. By about 14:00, two guys from the hood have Tensing and his supervisor completely gabberflasted, and Tensing just stands there looking like a deer in the headlights. Am I crazy? ― Mandruss  &#9742;  19:14, 1 August 2015 (UTC)
 * Hi when is this video from? Bus stop (talk) 20:37, 1 August 2015 (UTC)


 * I don't know any more than what is on that page. I just ran across that by accident as I was looking at our bodycam vids. It can't be too old, since he appears to be in UCPD uniform and he worked for UCPD for only a few years (our article doesn't say, exactly). &#8213; Mandruss  &#9742;  20:42, 1 August 2015 (UTC)


 * Hi This indicates a little more about it. Bus stop (talk) 20:51, 1 August 2015 (UTC)


 * Yeah. She says "last May", so I guess that means 2-3 months ago. But it's like this. A cop is either in the right or in the wrong, either supported by the law and department policy or not, and any competent cop should know which. If you're in the wrong, you smile and admit your mistake, back up and regroup. If you're in the right, you don't stand there and allow two people to talk you to death; you tell them to take it up with the judge. If you give them a lawful command and they fail to comply, you arrest them. If they resist arrest, you use physical force. If they endanger your life, you shoot them. Neither cop had control of this situation, which is precisely what they're trained to do. I've had my share of contact with cops (some would say more than my share), and I've never seen cops behave like that. &#8213; Mandruss  &#9742;  21:08, 1 August 2015 (UTC)


 * Hi they're just human beings. They phase in and out of being competent. It's the deadly force part that is obviously critical. In the case of Tensing one can only wonder if oneself is capable of such an error. I'm sure if he had 60 seconds to think about what he was about to do, he wouldn't do it. But given two seconds or maybe one second, it becomes more likely that one can make the utterly wrong decision. Bus stop (talk) 13:55, 2 August 2015 (UTC)


 * Yeah. I don't presume to judge Tensing, or Slager, or Wilson, since I could never be a cop in the first place. I also don't feel the need to choose one side over the other on these things; I have no difficulty feeling compassion for both, which is what places me center-left, I think; I get the sense you're the same in that way. &#8213; Mandruss  &#9742;  14:08, 2 August 2015 (UTC)

Paglia
I understand that you have strong feelings about the discussion of Camille Paglia, but it honestly it beyond the point of WP:BLUDGEON in my opinion. Can you please consider dialing it down a bit, or at least limiting threaded discussion to the discussion section and leaving the !votes alone?  Eve rgr een Fir  (talk) Please &#123;&#123;re&#125;&#125; 00:50, 23 August 2015 (UTC)
 * Hi EvergreenFir—actually I don't have "strong feelings" about this. My position is that we let the pieces fall where they may. A variety of well-known and qualified people weigh in with commentary on a work of contemporary art. I would not argue that anything be suppressed. But others are basically saying that certain things said by Paglia should not simply be allowed to stand as is, yet when commentators lavish praise on the piece, that goes unchallenged. Bus stop (talk) 02:19, 23 August 2015 (UTC)

What you're doing in these edits (1, 2) seems a lot like bludgeoning. The questions you're asking have been answered, ad nauseum. I understand that you don't agree with what's being said, but its not adding anything to continually repeat yourself, especially when we're discussing a potential compromise. Nblund (talk) 02:48, 24 August 2015 (UTC)
 * Hi Nblund—you say that I "don't agree with what's being said". Can you be more specific? Bus stop (talk) 03:33, 24 August 2015 (UTC)
 * Do I really need to explain that? I provided you with links to the differences, I don't think I can be any more specific than that. If you're still unclear on the problem, I urge you to check out the previously cited entries on bludgeoning and disruptive editing. If this continues, I think the next step is to request administrative help. Nblund (talk) 20:09, 24 August 2015 (UTC)

Responses on Mattress Performance RfC
Several or your responses, particularly this series of replies, seem to suggest you either aren't bothering to read what I'm suggesting or at least aren't attempting to make relevant points. Please try to read more closely, and stick to the topic when responding. If possible, it would be really helpful if you would stick to arguments that had some basis in existing Wikipedia policies or guidelines, rather than objecting solely based on personal preferences. Nblund (talk) 15:07, 23 August 2015 (UTC)
 * Hi Nblund—Roberta Smith, Jerry Saltz, Marina Abramović, artnet, and Camille Paglia are not in "heated dispute" with one another. They are not even in dialogue with one another. The reception section merely contains responses from notable people. I did not concoct this layout. But we use quotations in the cases of praise of the work. Why would Paglia's scathing criticism not be treated just as the praise is treated in our article? Bus stop (talk) 20:20, 23 August 2015 (UTC)
 * You're still not reading me: I suggested an alternate version that uses a direct quote rather than a paraphrase. This is now the third time i've pointed this out to you (see 1,2)


 * This may be an honest mistake on your part, but, whatever the intent, continually disregarding what is being said in the conversation is disruptive. See: WP:DISRUPTSIGNS. Nblund (talk) 21:40, 23 August 2015 (UTC)


 * OK, I stand corrected. Now please use the RfC to articulate your argument. Bus stop (talk) 22:49, 23 August 2015 (UTC)

Changed your mind?
What's up with this? --Sammy1339 (talk) 23:00, 25 August 2015 (UTC)

Paul Signac
Hi Bus Stop. I saw your comment on the Signac talk page today about my reverting to the Modern/Old count style. It appears you misunderstood why I did that. I was not at all making a judgment, as you thought, because I was not the one who created those count words. Those words were put there by another editor weeks before my arrival. I personally didn't care what words were used; I simply reverted to them because it would have created a lot of confusion since 15+ editors had already "voted", and all of them used either "Modern" or "Old" to cast their "ballot", not packed or non-packed. So those 2 words in the count would not have matched the words used in the "vote" by all the editors. So it was inappropriate for an editior to unilaterally change those terms long after the voting had commenced. By the way, I suspect that whomever decided on Modern and Old were simply referring to time e.g. which was the new layout and which was the layout that had been used for years. Lootbrewed (talk) 04:44, 6 September 2015 (UTC)

Courts of Indicature and Judicature
Thanks for your deep researching of this. Although in this instance I tend to agree with the other help desk editors, I think it is still possible that this was a word used somewhere in English at some time. It sure sounds like a Latin-derived English word. However, what I think you most likely found here is the first case that I can ever remember of a pre-OCR era error that matches OCR errors in the present. That is, some soul made exactly the same mistake almost exactly a century ago that modern machines are still making, and probably a lot more often than humans ever did. I think it's amazing. Hamamelis (talk) 15:59, 9 September 2015 (UTC)


 * Hi —in a source such as this I find that "indicature" may make more sense than "judicature".


 * "Now, in this disease, if regard be had to the humours, and the indication occasioning them, it should seem at first view that the curative indicature should principally tend 1. to evacuate humours already generated, and 2. to strengthen the concoction, or digestive powers, so as to prevent the accumulation of other humours…"


 * Perhaps there is (or was) a legitimate use for "indicature" in some instances. Bus stop (talk) 17:56, 9 September 2015 (UTC)


 * Well, you've found it! I've tried to find this word in old dictionaries at google books, but have yet to find success. But I basically think that anything said, that has a meaning that people mutually agree upon, is a "real" word. That's why they get coined. The author in your example may have been coining "indicature", which, if one follows the use of "indication" as it's used medically (see sense 1, b), and add the suffix "-ature" (the act, process, state, or system of...), one could understand that he, perhaps, meant a system of determining what is advisable in order to deal with ... humours. What do you think? Hamamelis (talk) 22:03, 9 September 2015 (UTC)

Deletion of question on Humanities ref desk
I believe you were correct to delete that question. (In any case, that was what I was advised to do in a similar case a few weeks ago). I've re-deleted it. Iapetus (talk) 10:00, 17 September 2015 (UTC)
 * ...and it's back. I'll bring it up on the talk page. Iapetus (talk) 10:02, 17 September 2015 (UTC)

Discretionary Sanctions Alert
--Guy Macon (talk) 15:28, 19 October 2015 (UTC)

Guy Macon's posts at the Bernie Sanders page
Relax! You are misunderstanding what Guy Macon is saying. He doesn't argue that Sanders has no religion, and he doesn't suggest removing the Religion parameter from the infobox. He is simply saying that "Religion: none" or "Religion: secular Jew" are not acceptable. You are being hypersensitive. Say you are sorry, you misunderstood, and give it a rest.

I know that this has been a trying discussion, that in general has been in very bad taste (I don't want to say it smacks of antisemitism, but there is that concern), but Guy Macon is certainly not a party to those who have questioned Sanders's Jewishness. He is not one of the bad guys. --Ravpapa (talk) 17:02, 19 October 2015 (UTC)


 * Hi —as you said, "Religion: Jewish" is the more common usage. It is also what the sources say. Bus stop (talk) 00:24, 20 October 2015 (UTC)


 * Bernie has stated that he's "Jewish," but "not particularly religious". That puts him in the same category as me, a nonreligious Jew. He's ethically Jewish, but he's not practicing. There's a specific term for that. it's not "anti-Semitism". Where would you even get that? If someone says, "I'm Baptist", and they're from Georgia, and they go to a Southern Baptist church, is it "anti-Christian" to accurately label them "Southern Baptist"? (The correct answer is: No.) Bernie, like me, is a non-religious Jew. I wasn't being "anti-Semetic" to change it to "Nonreligious Judaism", that's silly. Am I anti-Semetic against myself? Knowledge Battle 02:11, 21 October 2015 (UTC)


 * —use the Talk page at the Bernie Sanders article. You have edited the religion parameter of the Infobox at the Bernie Sanders article here and here yet you have not participated in the discussion about that subject at that article's Talk page. Please post your thoughts at that article's Talk page. This is a collaborative project. I am asking you to engage in the discussion of this topic that is already underway at the Bernie Sanders Talk page. Bus stop (talk) 09:51, 21 October 2015 (UTC)

November 2015
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 * oh crap sorry thought this was an article.

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 * guess i'll take a break then i'm getting a little jumpy

merry christmas

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Happy Holidays
Thank you,, Likewise. Bus stop (talk) 00:16, 25 December 2015 (UTC)

RfC announce: Religion in infoboxes
There is an RfC at Template talk:Infobox concerning what What should be allowed in the religion entry in infoboxes. Please join the discussion and help us to arrive at a consensus on this issue. --Guy Macon (talk) 21:18, 17 January 2016 (UTC)

Thanks
For remembering... Still on wikibreak!  Ty  07:31, 18 January 2016 (UTC)

problematic
If you could drop a comment regarding that edit into the talk page thread, it would be nice to make evaluating consensus easier. (Talk:Hillary_Clinton_email_controversy Gaijin42 (talk) 18:07, 24 February 2016 (UTC)

You've got mail - below!
Re: Email, I am already blocked and I am appealing at WP:AE but I'm just going to let it out regardless as per your email, anyway. I did read it, I just need to get a new Wiki email setup. Thanks. Sir Joseph (talk) 05:41, 1 March 2016 (UTC)
 * BTW, I am not sure if Encyclopedia Britannica is a RS but you should check out the free version online. It is accessible to all. Sir Joseph (talk) 16:38, 2 March 2016 (UTC)

Sir Joseph Block
Sir Joseph has been blocked from editing Wikipedia, and it looks like when the block ends he will resume his behavior and end up the subject of an Arbcom case which will likely result in either a site ban or a topic ban on all pages related to Jews or Judaism. Word to the wise: you are likely to end up in the same Arbcom case and could face the same sanctions. If, however, you stop your disruptive behavior now, I will make a point of pointing this out at any Arbcom hearing and strongly recommending no sanctions. You should ask yourself; is getting your point across (a point you have made many times over already) on a couple of pages now worth the risk of being banned from Wikipedia later? --Guy Macon (talk) 00:22, 5 May 2016 (UTC)

Deletion Discussion: Columbia University Rape Controversy
Hi,

I'm sending a notice because you previously participated in a move discussion on the page for Mattress Performance (Carry that weight). A new article was created Columbia University rape controversy as a spinout entry, and there is an ongoing discussion here regarding whether the article should be kept, moved, merged, or deleted. Letting you know in case you want to put your two cents in. Thanks. Nblund (talk) 23:07, 7 May 2016 (UTC)

Religious category in infoboxes
I was off-wiki when your ping came in, and I see the discussion on Jimbo's talk page is archived now. Rest assured that I share your concern, and feel free to ping me if the subject comes up again. Coretheapple (talk) 16:06, 15 May 2016 (UTC)
 * —I was arguing that, in keeping with recent related discussions, "Religion: Jewish" should be removed from the Infobox at Bernard Madoff. Bus stop (talk) 19:58, 15 May 2016 (UTC)

Thank you

 * Thank you . Bus stop (talk) 13:57, 26 May 2016 (UTC)

Ceci N'est Pas Un Viol
Seems to be missing criticism. Sources such as this suggest it is not art and her continuation of her attack on an innocent victim. Does this represent feminism? Or just the view of an extremist? Valoem  talk   contrib  21:39, 6 June 2016 (UTC)

Well said
I was on the fence for a minute after some of the recent arguments, but now I remember my original thought process. :) —PermStrump  ( talk )  04:13, 16 June 2016 (UTC)
 * P.S. I don't know how this showed up in the yellow box. I started a new section. —PermStrump  ( talk )  04:13, 16 June 2016 (UTC)
 * Thank you, . Sorry I didn't respond sooner. I can't figure out why the yellow box just goes on and on and on. I could try putting on this page and see if anyone knowledgeable can figure it out. Bus stop (talk) 18:09, 19 June 2016 (UTC)
 * I fixed it per WP:TPOC. For every "{" there must be a matching "}" . --Guy Macon (talk) 18:45, 19 June 2016 (UTC)
 * Thanks go out to for fixing the error of the creeping yellow box. Sincere thanks. Bus stop (talk) 18:49, 19 June 2016 (UTC)

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au contraire

 * It's something like a Set phrase. A google ngram shows a spike around the 1930-1938 period, so I guess it was a phrase used in literature - I hazard a guess that it's a saying of Hercule Poirot and we can lay the blame on Agatha Christie --Tagishsimon (talk) 23:26, 16 July 2016 (UTC)
 * Thank you. That is great. (I hope I haven't used a "set phrase".) Bus stop (talk) 23:37, 16 July 2016 (UTC)

Wildfires project
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Just a curious interloper
I happened to notice your discussion on the Administrators' Noticeboard about disclosure of e-mails, and I am fascinated. If you don't mind me asking, what is the basis for your disagreement? You mentioned "real world" principles (or something of the sort), and I was wondering if you'd be willing to expand on that? If not, no worries. Thanks. Dumuzid (talk) 15:31, 7 September 2016 (UTC)
 * Why not just weigh in at the discussion that is already taking place? Bus stop (talk) 15:34, 7 September 2016 (UTC)
 * I just felt like it would be a bit of a hijack, as my interest is very much academic (read: pointless) and has nothing to do with the underlying issue. Sorry to have bothered you!  Dumuzid (talk) 15:40, 7 September 2016 (UTC)
 * You have not bothered me. I am not a busy or important person except in the usual existential ways. Bus stop (talk) 16:05, 7 September 2016 (UTC)

On purpose
In this edit you removed both a comment of yours, as well as your vote. In later edits you re-added a comment, but not a vote. Is that on purpose? Debresser (talk) 18:30, 9 October 2016 (UTC)
 * —First a question: why are we having this WP:RFC as Category:People of Middle Eastern descent is at present not found within Category:People of Jewish descent? You initiated this WP:RFC with "In 2014 there was a very long discussion on this same talkpage, should Category:People of Middle Eastern descent be added to this category." But Category:People of Middle Eastern descent is not in Category:People of Jewish descent. So, why would we be voting to remove Category:People of Middle Eastern descent from Category:People of Jewish descent? Bus stop (talk) 19:58, 9 October 2016 (UTC)
 * After that old discussion the category was not removed till I removed it recently, and after a bit of edit warring. The discussion, however, still uses the word "remove". Debresser (talk) 21:25, 9 October 2016 (UTC)
 * OK,, thanks for the explanation. I will be re-adding that commentary or related commentary. The RFC is confusing, isn't it? Bus stop (talk) 22:04, 9 October 2016 (UTC)
 * One editor posted very long posts, and I got a bit tired of him. Long posts also cause other editors to refrain from partaking in the discussion. I think that the discussion is going in the direction I hope for, and that is satisfying. Debresser (talk) 07:59, 10 October 2016 (UTC)

Please comment on Talk:Graph database
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Category talk:People of Jewish descent vote
Sorry about that, the vote's been going on for so long that for some reason I thought the first vote had concluded and this was a second one. McArthur Parkette (talk) 00:29, 1 December 2016 (UTC)

Notice of Neutral point of view noticeboard discussion
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Merry, merry!
From the icy Canajian north; to you and yours! FWiW Bzuk (talk) 13:50, 25 December 2016 (UTC)

Please do not vandalize the Bernie Madoff page again
Please do not vandalise the Bernie Madoff page again by removing his religion from the information box. His religion was critical to his fraud because he recruited his victims basically from the Jewish community. It has been reported many many many time that Madoff committed what is known as an "Affinity Fraud". In fact, there is a Wikipedia page for it: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Affinity_fraud   and Madoff is mentioned on it. Thank you for your cooperation. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Betathetapi545 (talk • contribs) 15:15, 30 December 2016 (UTC)

Funny
For some reason, your comments have got me laughing tonight. You know, not the basic lol, but the kind that keeps rolling. Love the point about the lean Pollock article. (Might be time to call it a night if I'm getting punchy, but this is always good to end the night.) Thanks!— CaroleHenson &thinsp; (talk) 08:30, 4 January 2017 (UTC)

Discussion you may be interested in offering your two cents on
Since Talk:Stanley Kubrick is such a mess with arguments over infoboxes, and has been that way for quite some time, I figured the issue should be taken to a sort of higher court. See Template talk:Infobox person. Hopefully less insults will occur over there. – Matthew  - (talk) 14:48, 6 January 2017 (UTC)

Please comment on Talk:Album-oriented rock
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REDACT, not.
It's alright to add an image to one's post, as long as the word content hasn't been redacted. GoodDay (talk) 14:29, 27 January 2017 (UTC)
 * Yeah, right—images don't matter (sarcasm). Bus stop (talk) 14:37, 27 January 2017 (UTC)
 * Please stop deleting my Dr McCoy image. It doesn't in anyway alter the content of my post. GoodDay (talk) 18:47, 27 January 2017 (UTC)

calling awesomeness
Prove ur a painter, bro! Gimme ur 3rd best painting, before I really get angry!! Adwctamia (talk) 05:32, 31 January 2017 (UTC)
 * Thank you for your attention, . I get so little attention. It really brightens my day when the rare person takes notice of my accomplishments. I take it you are a turpentine aficionado too? Bus stop (talk) 10:57, 31 January 2017 (UTC)
 * My favorite part of being a painter is you create stuff outta thin air, lol. I know it's obvious but I like the fact you create something new that didn't exist before you brought it into existence. Keep it up! Adwctamia (talk) 10:11, 3 February 2017 (UTC)
 * —I thought this was great. Bus stop (talk) 16:49, 4 February 2017 (UTC)

Precious
--Gerda Arendt (talk) 21:15, 4 February 2017 (UTC)
 * Thank you,, I am definitely flattered. It was a very satisfying experience working on that small article (Table with Pink Tablecloth). Bus stop (talk) 21:48, 4 February 2017 (UTC)
 * I like the title ;) - I better tell you right now (usually in a year) that Precious is the prize of the cabal of the outcasts to which you belong by what you do ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 21:55, 4 February 2017 (UTC)

Please comment on Template talk:Infobox song
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Request for Comment on the guidelines regarding "joke" categories
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Your timely intervention
...on Talk:List of Jewish feminists helped me reorient my thinking to streamline the eventual edits I made to the list. I appreciate your taking the time and contributing to the process. -- Cheers, Deborahjay (talk) 22:19, 8 March 2017 (UTC)
 * Thank you for being welcoming, . I just wanted to weigh in with my thoughts. Bus stop (talk) 00:50, 9 March 2017 (UTC)

Badgering on Albermarle gallery AfD
Your edits ont the AFD are disruptive. See WP:BLUDGEON. You need to read about reliable sources, and also give poeple a chance to contribute rather than badgering them. If you continue I may have to report you to ANI. You have been blocked repeatedly; it would seem that bad conduct is a past habit. Why not try to let poeple get a word in edgewise on the Albermarle Afd, rather than badgering people with irrational arguments? 96.127.243.41 (talk) 19:29, 10 March 2017 (UTC)

ANI
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Please comment on Talk:Maryam Rajavi
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Best Regards from Berlin!
Better help on this article than complain! Best! --Aquilinae (talk) 00:29, 14 April 2017 (UTC)

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Columbia University rape controversy
PeterTheFourth, a has been removing critical information of Emma Sulkowicz, can you please revert this edit if you feel he is violating NPOV. Valoem  talk   contrib  13:01, 3 May 2017 (UTC)