User talk:Busillis

Liz Hurley
An IP user has just "cleaned up" the Elizabeth Hurley article, but in my opinion far too much info has been removed and I think a revert is needed. I was going to do a quick revert, but first I wanted your thoughts on the matter as you have contributed the most to the article. Thanks. Eagle Owl (talk) 10:37, 28 July 2008 (UTC) Yep, my mistake, I was a little hasty! I will admitt that I was half asleep this morning, lucky I didn't revert after all. Regards. Eagle Owl (talk) 19:54, 28 July 2008 (UTC)
 * Hey, I didn't remove anything, just edited it.71.112.185.78 (talk) 15:52, 28 July 2008 (UTC)

Jemima Khan
+ BuzbyBumbles (talk) 11:06, 13 November 2008 (UTC)Dear Busillis, I am concerned by the fact that there are several inaccuracies in the article which you claim to have almost entirely created yourself. Every time the corrections are made, you change them back. I’m afraid that I will be forced to make a formal complaint unless you stop doing this. All the changes and additions I have made have been correctly referenced. Can I remind you that Wikipedia is meant to be an unbiased source of information compiled by members of the public- as opposed to by one member of the public with strong views on the subject.

1)      “Bi monthly column for the Telegraph”

This is incorrect. It was a weekly column for The Sunday Telegraph. Columns were published for example on the following dates 30th Dec, 6th Jan, 13th Jan 21st Jan and so on which as you can see is every week. This is an easy fact to check.

2)     You wrote in your note to me, “…if her mother calls her a straight A student, then that doesn't make her so - we have no objective source confirming that so it is not a fact”.

I read her mother’s book and added a quote from it in quotation marks. “According to her mother she was a straight A student, “academic and hardworking ” Why is this a less reliable piece of information than the quotation which you added from “a friend” in Hello magazine, which states that Hugh Grant’s lifestyle was “a handful” and at the end of their relationship,   Khan  "was quite worn down."? This also has no objective source confirming it. My addition is clearly in quotation marks and the same book has been used as a reference in another Wikipedia entry (see Sheherazade Goldsmith) and found to be acceptable. The same applies to, “In her teens, according to her mother, Khan was an accomplished equestrian, competing in and winning several prestigious competitions including The Horse of The Year Show and The Royal International Horse show.” You removed this. Why? I believe this to be of interest.

4) You also removed the references to Romania and Bangladesh. Khan has visited both these places on behalf of UNICEF (see UNICEF’s website). This was a valid addition. References were provided (see below). You also removed the ref to  UNICEF’s Growing up Alone campaign?

5)     She, her sons, and her mother participated in three demonstrations outside Downing Street in November 2007 to protest the imposition of a state of emergency in Pakistan.[44] Khan in fact attended the demonstrations but she also took a part in organising them according to a number of articles.  She set up and headed the Free Pakistan Movement to protest the State of emergency in Pakistan imposed by President Musharraf. See The Guardian, “In praise of Jemima Khan, unlikely freedom fighter” She also led teh campaign for her ex husband's release form jail. http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2007/nov/20/pakistan.features11. All of this was correctly referenced. Why did you remove this?

6)     In 2001, she raised funds and provided tents and clothing to Afghan refugees at Jalozai camp in Peshawar.[43] In fact, she set up The Jemima Khan Jalozai Camp Appeal and ran it as a charity for several years. The Appeal is advertised at the end of the article which you yourself referenced. Why did you remove this?

7)     After three collections, the company was closed in 2001

This is incorrect. A fashion line always has collections twice a year. Autumn/ Winter and Spring/ Summer. It was launched in 1998, closed in 2001 after 6 collections. Please stop allowing others to make their own contributions to teh site unless you have good reason. http://www.unicef.org.uk/celebrity/celebrity_biography.asp?celeb_id=14 - Romania

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/1388470/Jemima-Khan-is-Channel-5-news-reporter.html - Bangladesh

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/1309339/Jemima-Khan-joins-Unicef-campaign-for-war-orphans.html - growing up alone campaign

BuzbyBumbles (talk) 10:24, 14 November 2008 (UTC)

OK. Thanks for the clarifications. I am a new user so I am grateful for any guidance.

1)OK. Fine but I am confused then why her mother's book- which I agree is overly fond- has been used as a reference for other facts in the article. It is used to explain that her parents married only to legitimise their children which I have not read elsewhere. And it is used on a different article on wiki as a source of similar information as I  mentioned and is accepted as fair (see Sheherazade Goldsmith)

2) Thank you

3) It was only irregular for the first week. There was a gap and then after that it was every week and she was advertised as a new weekly columnist.

4) OK. Fine. But I still think that it is interesting and relevant that she is still involved with Pakistan since her divorce and worth mentioning which is why I added about her visit to Pakistan and fundraising  after the earthquake and The Free Pakistan Movement.

5) In her article when she closed down the business (Telegraph 6th December 2001) she states that the business was run successfully for 5 years and it was "a heartbreaking decision" to have to close it down after 9/11. It is highly unlikely to have had only 3 collections in 5 years even if it was seasonal. And I have seen reviews of both Autumn/ Winter and Spring/ Summer collections which I can post for you if you like. Maybe just remove any fixed number and write the years instead?

6) The article for The Independent on the day of the elections in February was not an opinion piece. It was a two page article- It must be around 4,000 words. Do you have the reference for that? I'm confused as to how you can  call that an Op Ed? She was in Pakistan and no one else covered the elections for that newspaper so I think it's fair to say she covered the Pakistan Parliamentary elections for the Independent.  I agree re Presidential elections-  Sorry. That does seem to be an Opinion piece written from London.

7)OK. Thanks for your note on how to reference articles written.

8) I agree re talking rather than reverting!

9)... But I am sure that the Free Pakistan Movement exists and was set up by her as I read about it at the time.It is referred to in countless articles including The Guardian and the BBC website. I have posted links below.

http://www.dawn.com/2007/11/16/top9.htm

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/7100762.stm

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2007/nov/20/pakistan.features11

This one I feel strongly about as I also heard her interviewed on The Today programme at the time about it. Thanks for your help. ps. I don't know katereardon or tupolov.

BuzbyBumbles (talk) 09:49, 17 November 2008 (UTC)

OK. Thanks Busillis. Helpful and clear. I agree with your points.

Your writing on Jemima Khan is libellous and a disgrace. It does not qualify as biography. I have no axe to grind about her but you should realise the world may not share your interest in the prurient -- her observations as a journalist about Pakistan are of far more interest than her personal life. Grow up! Seekers2008 (talk) 00:37, 9 June 2009 (UTC)

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