User talk:Buster7/The List - Women Artists

HOW TO CREATE AN ARTICLE by SusunW....
I see you have started to work on Ethel Ashton who did a mural in Pennsylvania. I checked the town article and, as usual, there is no mention of a Post Office Mural. I'll put mention in once we have created the artists' article. Also, the muppets once I do a redirect which I dont know how to do. Sorry. But once I learn I think Ill be alright. Buster Seven   Talk  18:36, 26 April 2016 (UTC)
 * Cool. Yes, I am in Yucatán. If I am being too basic, just ignore me, but I will assume nothing and start from the beginning as if I were creating an article. Click on your redlink. It will take you to a blank page. 5th bullet point down says Special:Mypage/file name. Click on 5th bullet point down. It will load again. Remove the top two lines and instead paste in this template data Then below the "New Article Name" skip a line and paste this:


 * ==Biography==


 * == References ==
 * ===Citations===


 * ===Bibliography===




 * Category:XXXX births
 * Category:XXXX deaths
 * Category:XXXX deaths


 * Fill out the info box as much as you can and then start typing the biography. I usually find it easier to do the bio first and then go back and summarize notability in the lede since it isn't cited. I also reference as I go. So, I take the first sentence from the outline ref it and then move to the next one, if that makes sense.


 * Harv references are pretty simple, but it takes some getting used to it. In the edit screen you will see something that says "Cite" press on it and a template box will appear. Use the pulldown to select what type and then complete as much of the data as possible, like this: Move the ref to the bibliography section. If there is an author at the end of the cite add |ref=harv if there is no author, at the end of the cite add |ref= using your publisher or website name and date of the record as the references. Because this is a newspapers.com entry, you also have to add |via = Newspapers.com}}  So the entire entry in the Bibliography looks like this:




 * To refer to the reference in the text, after you have typed the data in the biography section, you input immediately following the text, where p= the page number, or pp= a page range.


 * After I have completed the bio, I put the Biography in alphabetical order, it's just easier for me that way. I save a lot. We have power fluctuations in Mexico :S Once everything is input, I move it to mainspace. Add whatever other categories it needs and do the talk page templates.


 * A redirect is simple. Create your article on Appel. Move it to mainspace. Create another article with the name Marianne Harms and in the edit screen the ONLY thing you type is #REDIRECT article name It should then create a redirect link after you save. I also did find Ankrom. Definitely a guy. That should be enough to get you started at any rate. Ping me if you get stuck. I am happy to help. SusunW (talk) 21:44, 26 April 2016 (UTC)
 * WOW!!! Its going to take a while for me eat all this delicious dinner. Its late so I will start my homework tomorrow. I really appreciate all you are doing. I guess I actually did know about the harv reference and the dropdown and have used it many times. But Im glad you assume that I know very little. I think that is the best way forward. Glad we found out that Ankrom is a guy. Yes, this will definitely get me started. wish me Luck! Buster Seven   Talk  06:37, 27 April 2016 (UTC)

When you move an article to mainspace
When you move an article to mainspace, Remove the colon in front of :category as it will then move the category to the right place. Someone somewhere along the line, taught me that. ;) Also, you can see from how I create, there is little chance of copyvios as I read the article, write a sentence about its gist and stick in a source. I try to make sure that I have 4 solid articles about the person before I start the bio. Not always possible. One of my most frustrating was a scientist who is the most cited scientist in the US. There are literally thousands of articles she has written and articles about her work. There is very little information about her. We may find that to be the case about some of these artists. 1930s was not a good time for extensive coverage, lots of publishers were struggling and women rarely are covered anyway, but, we'll keep working on it. SusunW (talk) 14:30, 27 April 2016 (UTC)
 * I won't be moving anything to Mainspace until we are sure there is no plagiarism. I just want to be sure there are no problems that an editor who may or may not be stalking me (see the spider on my User page), would find and report me to Editor Moonriddengirl which has happened. I just want to stay out of harms a way. I know it sounds mysterious but its just a very old issue that wont go away. Buster Seven   Talk  15:40, 27 April 2016 (UTC)
 * I love your method. For me it will be Fool-proof...or rather "Buster-proof". When we do get to moving to mainspace, I suggest we leave the thread entries here so that, eventually, they will ALL be blue. Buster Seven   Talk  01:05, 30 April 2016 (UTC)
 * Thanks! You are a very positive force. I just like to try to work out the bugs before I move it to mainspace. I don't think it has to be perfect, but I think women's articles more often than men's get put up for AFD. So...if one works out notability first and makes sure the documentation is there, there is way less chance of it being deleted. SusunW (talk) 03:35, 30 April 2016 (UTC)

Mississippi
Was looking for info on Mary Boggs, who I didn't find much on, BUT I found this application for the National Registry of Historic places on 36 buildings in Mississippi which 32 of which were part of the WPA post office project. It gives bios on the artists from "unindexed materials" at the WPA. What it has on Boggs is miniscule, but it has info on others, like Auriel Bessemer, that is not in her bio. Didn't know if you had all of these post offices in the post office article either, but clearly, this source is valuable. Has bios on:
 * AARONS, George Manuel: George Aarons Article needs to be rewritten
 * BESSEMER, Auriel: Auriel Bessemer "Life in the Mississippi Cotton Belt" in the post office at Hazelhurst, Mississippi. ✅ (B7) I checked. She is on list of post offices. (B7) However, The Mississippi mural is not mentioned in her article. Will remedy tomorrow (B7)
 * BETTERSWORTH, Beulah: Beulah R. Bettersworth needs to be added to our list did 2 murals.✅ --added to our list (B7)
 * BINFORD, Julien III: Julien Binford "Forest Loggers" in the post office at Forest, Mississippi and mural at the Saunders Postal Station in Richmond, Virginia.
 * BLANCH, Lucile: Lucile Blanch I updated her file quite a bit. She did 5 murals, though the Sparta GA one is a mystery. See talk page.
 * BOGGS, Franklin and Mary: who I was looking for. Franklin Boggs needs to be added to the guys. ✅ I added him because I had to do his research to find her. SusunW (talk) 07:46, 7 May 2016 (UTC)
 * BRAUGHT, Ross E.: Ross E. Braught needs to be added to the guy's list. He did "Waynesboro Landscape" in the Waynesboro, Mississippi, Post Office and murals for the Kansas City (Missouri or Kansas?) Civic Auditorium.
 * BURFORD, Byron, Jr.: Byron Burford his WP article has no information about his murals at all. *✅ (B7)
 * CROCKWELL, S. Douglass: Douglass Crockwell his WP article has no information about his murals at all.
 * DALTON, Peter: Peter Dalton needs to be added to the guy's list. He did a bas-relief sculpture in wood "Lumbermen Rolling a Log" in the Carthage, Mississippi, Post Office and works at Radio City, New York. *Note for :When and I did the list of US Murals we agreed to omit bas-relief or sculptures, etc in order to lessen the amount of work. We figured that they were a project for a later time. (B7)
 * FYFE, John Hamilton: John Hamilton Fyfe needs to be added to the guy's list. He did 3 murals--"Cotton Harvest", "Magnolia, 1880", and "July 4 Celebration at Sheriff Laban Bacot's"--for the post office at Magnolia, Mississippi and a mural for the post office at Camden, Tennessee. Illustrator too.
 * HIRSCH, Stefan: Stefan Hirsch "Scenic and Historic Booneville" in the Booneville, Mississippi, Post Office
 * KOTTGEN, Eve: Eve Kottgen needs to be added to the women. "Cotton Plantation" in the post office at Batesville, Mississippi., Eve Kottgen married "well-known" artist Thomas H. Donnelly, who was also a post office muralist.
 * LaCAGNINA, Henry: Henry LaCagnina painted "Harvest" in the post office of Crystal Springs, Mississippi. The article says (nothing is known of "her" history) but I think HE is this guy Key West WPA artist,,.
 * McCRADY, John: John McCrady painted "Amory, Mississippi, 1889" in the post office at Amory, Mississippi.
 * POLLET, Joseph Joseph Pollet says nothing about his mural. He painted "Wedding of Ortez and Soawana, Christmas, 1540" in the post office at Pontotoc, Mississippi.
 * PURDY, Robert Cleaver: Robert Cleaver Purdy needs to be added to the guy's list. Did 2 murals--"Milking Time" in the post office at New Albany, Mississippi and the mural for the post office at Princeton, Kentucky.
 * PURSER, Stuart R.: Stuart R. Purser needs to be added to the guy's list. Husband of Mary May (aka Mary M. Purser on the women's list). He painted post office murals at Carrolton, Alabama; Ferriday, Louisiana; Gretna, Louisiana; and Leland, Mississippi.
 * RAYNAUD, Louis: Louis Raynaud needs to be added to the guy's list. He painted "Life on the Coast" in the post office of Bay St. Louis, Mississippi.
 * SAVAGE, Tom is on the guy's list. He painted murals in the post offices of Jefferson, Iowa; New Hampton, Iowa; and Eupora, Mississippi.
 * TOBEROFF, Isidore: Isidore Toberoff needs to be added to the guy's list. He painted "Erosion, Reclamation and Conservation of the Soil" in the post office of Durant, Mississippi. He won a Pulitzer Prize (for what?) p=58 Was it for this post office painting? He won the 1942 Merit Award from the National Academy of Design in Manhattan.  |via = Newspapers.com}}
 * WOLFE, Karl: Karl Wolfe needs to be added to the guy's list. He painted "Crossroads, Mississippi" in the post office at Louisville, Mississippi. (Was he the husband of Mildred Wolfe?)
 * At the bottom of the brief biographies is the notation: No information could be found for Simka Simkhovitch, Harold Egan, Lorin Thompson, and Donald H. Robertson.


 * Harold G. Egan (aka Harold Gerard Egan) (August 14, 2014-May 21, 2014) needs to be added to the guy's list. He painted "The Richness of the Soil" in the post office at Okolona, Mississippi in 1939 and then "The Richness of the Soil II" in the post office at Wake Forest, North Carolina in 1941.p=172. Apparently he also sculpted metal?
 * Lorin Thompson you did his article.
 * Donald H. Robertson I added to the guy's list. He painted the mural for the post office in Picayune, Mississippi called the "Lumber Region of Mississippi". MUral Mentioned in Article, 11/8/17, B7
 * Simka Simkhovitch (Симха Файбусович Симхович) (aka Simcha Faibusovich Simkhovich) (Novozybkov, Russia May 21, 1885 O.S./June 2, 1885 N.S.—Greenwich, Connecticut February 25, 1949 needs to be added to the guy's list. He painted murals for the post office and courthouse in Jackson, Mississippi. Cannot use this as a source, but it has clues to follow. On the other hand, this is helpful:Russian bio I'm working on this one. Yeah, I get that he's not a woman. ;) SusunW (talk) 15:28, 17 May 2016 (UTC)
 * Ive been away for a few days. It takes me awhile to get back into the swing of things (watchlist happenings). After some time, I will attempt the DYK for Ashton, if I can recall the steps. At first, its a blank until I "get my head around it". Buster Seven   Talk  15:47, 17 May 2016 (UTC)
 * LOL I so get that. Getting old is hell on the memory. SusunW (talk) 15:50, 17 May 2016 (UTC)

Lots of good stuff in this reference! SusunW (talk) 21:29, 6 May 2016 (UTC

N R H P Inventory and Nomination Form
I will work on this today (Sat, 5/7) at work. But I cannot access the link. I get the message Http/1.1 Service Unavailable. You mention 32 bldgs in the National registry. The List of United States post office murals has a column for NRHP. I'd like to add the appropriate ones to the column but I don't know which they are. I would also need the date as that is what is shown in the column---the date. Buster Seven   Talk  11:54, 7 May 2016 (UTC)
 * I cannot access the link today either, so the website must be down. HOWEVER, not to be thwarted, I put the html in the search bar and then accessed the cached link: Try this SusunW (talk) 14:59, 7 May 2016 (UTC)
 * TY, I got in. What an amazing discovery! As I glanced over the form I envisioned literally hundreds of article-creation opportunities. Maybe we should use an already existing draft location for this NRHP arm of the our Mural Project...Maybe we should create WP:The Mural Project...There is so much to do. This reminds me of a little over a year ago when Editor and I started...and so much quality stuff was getting lost in the research. Its like ..."I don't know where to start? Should I work on creating articles, with your guiding hand as support? Should we start a brand new project with other interested editors and work on getting it up and running? I was involved in the early days of the Editor Retention Project over 3 years ago which was very successful at first as a discussion arena but is now mostly a Ghost Town. Except for the weekly EotW award (which I facilitate from start to finish} not much is really happening there. I'm the one with the keys but not many editors come to visit. The lights have dimmed to "candle-light" strength but at least they stay on.  is a BIG help and a friend I can count on for good advice and ideas. Anyway, I drifted off-topic. Happy Mothers Day. TRA! Buster Seven   Talk  15:54, 7 May 2016 (UTC)
 * I don't know. What I see on WP, in my 1 1/2 years of editing (I am still a newbie, or at least I feel that way) is that WikiProjects don't last long. Enthusiasm gets crushed when the wave of negativity hits. WomeninRed/WiR keeps curated lists (meaning we add source links which confirm notability to the redlinks) and does monthly virtual editathons. It is a project solely based on increasing women's biographies on WP, so I don't think WiR would be the right venue for men's bios or buildings, as the project goals are to increase women's coverage. But, you can see that we run multiple events during the month and the red link lists on a variety of topics are always available. The beauty of multiple events is that people get to choose what they are interested in but the project directs what is created rather than just having editors create random articles. I have been popping back and forth between this months photographers and your project. It might be a format that would work for you. We have had a lot of enthusiasm at WiR. SusunW (talk) 21:33, 7 May 2016 (UTC)
 * . Thanks for bringing me in off the ledge. Enthusiasm gets crushed when the wave of negativity hits.That's exactly what happened at WER. One administrator started it and, in my eyes, another administrator didn't like what was being said in the open discussion forum and became a boulder in the middle of the road...more than that, of course, but the result is little activity. As for "Project Mural" the idea was just to bring in more editors. Projects create a similarly-minded band of editors working toward a common goal. Once I start moving stuff to mainspace, i'll most likely join "WikProjecT WiR".  Buster Seven   Talk  11:34, 8 May 2016 (UTC)
 * , what I was proposing was that you do a virtual editathon on the women artists in conjunction with WiR. You could send out invites, Rosiestep could add your event as a tab and I am guessing you will pickup some other editors too when they discover you have lists, maybe for the guys too. Since oftentimes, think Mary Boggs, you have to work the husband to find the wife. Just pick a month and I can put you in touch with people who can help you do that, if you want. SusunW (talk) 15:43, 8 May 2016 (UTC)

. I do want. That was kind of the idea of creating a project>getting other editors involved. Lets say...July. By that time I should be well along in classes at The SusunW School of Quality Wikipedia Article Creation. <em style="font-family:Bradley Hand ITC;color:black">Buster Seven  <em style="font-family:Bradley Hand ITC;color:black"> Talk  16:20, 8 May 2016 (UTC)
 * LOL, but seriously, July would probably work really well since WiR's scheduled main event is women inducted into Halls of Fame. Most of the ones on WP are American, so the event will more than likely attract US editors. Let's get the ones we have researched written and then we'll work on some links for the others. I'll start work on Appel's article today. Rosie can tell you about invites and setting up the sign up page. Sue is a huge help with lists. We can do this! :) SusunW (talk) 16:30, 8 May 2016 (UTC)
 * ...WE = WikiPedia Editors. Its kind of my mindset whenever "we" is used in conversation by editors. For instance, We can do this! is just you and me. But WE can do this! is meant to include ALL of WP's thousands of editors. Funny bit. Years ago, when I started on WP, I used to use "WE" whenever I typed the pronoun to make the point of editors working together and being more professional with each other. But....most of the time, it was thought to be a typing mistake and corrected. Sigh! I will continue to work on the draft.  <em style="font-family:Bradley Hand ITC;color:black">Buster Seven  <em style="font-family:Bradley Hand ITC;color:black"> Talk  18:46, 8 May 2016 (UTC)

WWWinAA
What is this source? Is it Falk's Who was who in American Art, 1564-1975: 400 Years of Artists in America? I find that reference, but not in anything I can access and it is multiple volumes, so I have zero clue. SusunW (talk) 17:24, 8 May 2016 (UTC)
 * Yes. Source is Falk's. I have the book in my personal library. . I'll refer to it as FALKs from now on. <em style="font-family:Bradley Hand ITC;color:black">Buster Seven  <em style="font-family:Bradley Hand ITC;color:black"> Talk  18:29, 8 May 2016 (UTC)

Good sentences to describe murals
In 1939, one of __________'s paintings was selected to appear at the _____________________Gallery and in 1942 she installed a commissioned piece for the WPA in the post office in Anywhere, Oklahoma. The work, entitled "What a Wonderful Day" depicted a shining sun and was an oil on canvas installation. (Olga Mohr) <em style="font-family:Bradley Hand ITC;color:black">Buster Seven  <em style="font-family:Bradley Hand ITC;color:black"> Talk  03:03, 20 May 2016 (UTC)

Smithsonian
I just asked my photographs expert, who said that any photographs of studies or works on the murals for the WPA at the Smithsonian are public domain! Not others, because though the works themselves are public, photographs of them belong to the creators. She said you can clip and tag them with this template in commons. :) :) :) SusunW (talk) 15:15, 7 March 2017 (UTC)