User talk:Bwsg70

Ticket#: 2017022510014681. Per discussions with Justlettersandnumbers

Ticket#: 2017022510014681. Per discussions with Justlettersandnumbers

Copyright problem: Thomas Campbell (Australian politician)
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Thank you, and please feel welcome to continue contributing to Wikipedia. Happy editing! Triptothecottage (talk) 11:42, 25 February 2017 (UTC)

Hello Triptothecottage,

The edit in question which prompted you to contact me was a hyper link to the town of Westport, Mayo, Ireland being the birthplace of my gg grandmother. Further, re: copyright, if you noticed I provided information to the Qld Parliament in the first instance re: my gg grandfather, Thomas Campbell, and therefore it does not or should not fall within the definition of breach (of Wiki copyright).

Kind regards,

bwsg70 talk 25/2/2017

New email - 2017022510014681
Hi, further to my comment I made at ANI please check for a new email which was sent to you today (as I stated in my message). As an administrator, I've closed that thread and would appreciate you working this out with the OTRS permissions people now. Thanks -- Samtar talk &middot; contribs 11:43, 26 February 2017 (UTC)

Don't panic!
I am sorry you are having so much hassle with the copyright issue. I've had the same problems myself with uploading my own photos because they were found to be copyright violations of my own website! I do think this matter will sort itself out; they usually do once the facts of the matter are laid out, but I understand your frustration. Part of the problem here is that there is no easy way to recognise the relationship between the person mentioned as the source of the content on the Qld Parliament site and the user name you used (by the way, I notice a number of the edits occurred anonymously - was that you forgetting to login or was that someone else?).

As I often want to upload my own photos to Wikimedia Commons, I solved this problem by clearly stating the relationship between my Wikipedia user account and my website in both places: my Wikimedia Commons User page and my website's copyright notice. If you intend to reuse your own work on Wikipedia going forward, it might be a good idea to do something similar. First publish it on a website or blog, then re-use it on Wikipedia (with the same crosslinking as I have done).

I had noticed your work on the Thomas Campbell article and was very pleased to see a new contributor on Queensland history. However, as I was in Cambodia at the time with only a mobile device, I did not reach out to say hello to you, but left it until my return to Brisbane. So, somewhat belatedly, hello and welcome!

As a retired professor from QUT, I would say to you that your advice from your lecturer about Wikipedia is perhaps not the most well-informed. I write for Wikipedia (quite a lot of it on Qld history although I am not a historian by trade) and I would say that the expectation of citations and the care taken around copyright actually makes Wikipedia quite reliable. I do know that some academics get frustrated with writing for Wikipedia, because they don't understand how it operates (it's not like writing a traditional monograph or journal/conference paper). So I should mention that the other thing I do in my retirement is that I do Wikipedia edit training (a free service provided by Wikimedia Australia). I have run a number of training sessions at the University of Queensland, most recently in early February this year. If you alone or together with others in the history department would like me to come and do a training session with you, I would be more than happy to do so. I did some work a few years back with Paul Turnbull and others at UQ History setting up a project called PaperMiner so I might still be known to some of the UQ History folks (I know Paul has moved elsewhere since then), so I do have a genuine interest in the intersection of history and IT. If you want to contact me by email rather than on-wiki, use kerry.raymond@wikimedia.org.au

Don't give up! There is a steep learning curve with Wikipedia but it really is quite fulfilling in the long run. I am happy to help. Kerry (talk) 14:51, 26 February 2017 (UTC)

Hi Kerry, the journey was so frustrating and perhaps this was the primary reason why 2 uni lecturers were anti Wiki, however, they didn't unpack it in any great detail in lectures or tutorials. I have worked on Thomas's travels for more like 10 to 15 years (I said 5 to 10 years in the other thread and it is a tad longer) and I still have a period of about 6 years in Australia to fill - eg. on his arrival in July 1864 (if he did arrive on the MV Sultana, I would like to confirm this via evidence beyond a simple line on the passenger index) through to when he commenced at Fortitude Valley (boys) school, date of this is still unknown, but I now have an end date at Maryborough (just need a start date). Without confirmation I am guessing that he was part of the pupil-teacher system. So yes, having all of this knowledge, copies of births, marriage and death certificates, his 1882 certificate from the board of examiners, Hansard, newspaper clippings courtesy of Trove, etc, is great, I feel that I know Thomas, but the Wiki process has left a sour taste in my mouth. I guess that is the frustrating point - as a good historian (not a professional, I have a real job as a social worker) I rely on evidence as that is how I was taught - I don't invent facts and the Wiki process questions my collected knowledge and skills.

Anyway moving on - Prof. Paul Turnbull, there is a blast from the past - not that the name of the subject did it any justice, but I studied the History of Communication when he lectured at JCU. From the Gutenberg Press to the 21st century. Off memory he gave me a D. Oh...and re the offer of training, I am up in Cairns, I don't get down to Bne that often (we tend to travel to Melbourne every 6 months or so to get away for a long weekend), however, if I was to travel down to SE Qld I will contact you in advance and arrange a time to meet - I completed one Summer Semester subject at UQ, beautiful campus (compared to JCU). And another oh...sorry...yes I updated information without using a log on.

Thanks so much for contacting me, is great to finally hear that someone in Wiki land has taken the opportunity to make this journey personal. Have a great day.

Regards, User:bwsg70 (talk)


 * Well, the training offer remains open. I can "talk you" through training using skype or Google hangouts. I see the copyright issue with the article is now resolved, so it's time to add those citations (BDM certificates etc). Kerry (talk) 12:28, 27 February 2017 (UTC)

Manual of Style/Biographies
My edits, particularly changing "Thomas" to "Campbell" is about applying the Wikipedia "style", specifically MOS:SURNAME. Kerry (talk) 04:20, 10 March 2017 (UTC)

Kerry

User talk:Kerry Raymond i wasn't aware of that, takes the personal touch out of it, but I will change it back User talk:bwsg70

I admit that I don't like it very much myself either, particularly not for women. But then there are many things in the Manual of Style that I don't like. Kerry (talk) 15:13, 13 March 2017 (UTC)

signing your name on talk pages
I just noticed that you appear to be doing signing on talk pages the hard way. What you do is just write 4 tildes and that automatically adds the signature that you see from me and others. So if you write

Hi, there Fred! Nice to meet you. ~

what will appear after you SAVE is

Hi, there Fred! Nice to meet you. Kerry (talk) 15:23, 13 March 2017 (UTC)

but of course you do it it will produce your signature not mine! You don't have to do anything to set up your signature.

Or if you look on your toolbar, you should see a pencil writing the letter S. You can click that too, but it looks a tiny bit different as it adds two hyphens (I don't know why and people rarely seem to use it) as in

Hi, there Fred! Nice to meet you. --Kerry (talk) 15:23, 13 March 2017 (UTC)

More gratuitous advice :-)
If you really want to make your editing easier, use the Visual Editor which is a WYSIWYG tool sort-of like Microsoft Word or other word processors. It allows you to avoid a lot of the messy syntax of  and etc

First, you need to enable it. Do you see two edit tabs on the top of an article "edit" and "edit source"? If not, go to Preferences (top right of screen) then the Editing tab and make sure that "Temporarily disable the visual editor while it is in beta" is NOT ticked and that Editing mode is set to "show me both editor tabs". Then SAVE (bottom of that screen). Now you should be enabled and you should see both "edit" (meaning the Visual Editor) and "edit source" (meaning use the source editor that you appear to be using).

The Visual Editor can be used on articles but not (for reasons I never understand) on Talk pages. Personally I use the Visual Editor for most of my article editing. It's so much more productive (although there are a few things it can't do or doesn't do well but they are mostly more advanced things). Give it a try! Kerry (talk) 15:31, 13 March 2017 (UTC)