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Lynx (ship)
I see that you reverted my changes to the Lynx disambig page. Why? The tall ship is one of the ships listed in the Lynx page. The information is therefore not lost. Acad Ronin (talk) 02:48, 9 January 2021 (UTC)


 * First, the link is improper because of the piping. Second, why didn't you remove the other ships named Lynx when you removed the tall ship? —C.Fred (talk) 02:50, 9 January 2021 (UTC)
 * The format Lynx will address your format issue on the disambig page. All the other Lynx ships are  military under their own heading and are not transports or mercantile. Acad Ronin (talk) 03:08, 9 January 2021 (UTC)
 * Is there more than one civilian ship, though? —C.Fred (talk) 03:49, 9 January 2021 (UTC)

Extend protection at Alyssa Farah
You implemented a two-day semi-protection. However, the IP editors are now back and doing the same edit-warring. I think an extension of the protection is needed. Snooganssnoogans (talk) 19:39, 12 January 2021 (UTC)


 * Agreed. Protected for a week. —C.Fred (talk) 19:53, 12 January 2021 (UTC)

Redirection the girls from That 70's show
That was not good. They deserve their own pages. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.193.175.208 (talk) 13:20, 14 January 2021 (UTC)


 * Based on the AfD discussions, the community feels otherwise. —C.Fred (talk) 15:41, 14 January 2021 (UTC)

Tube Challenge
Hello. I have a few issues with this article which I would like to discuss, ideally privately. I'm afraid I don't know if this is the correct protocol, as I'm rather new to this, but if you could email me at [redacted], or let me know another way of communicating, I would greatly appreciate it. Thanks. Directionoftravel (talk) 02:38, 19 January 2021 (UTC)


 * I prefer to handle Wikipedia-related discussions on Wikipedia. If there's some relevant information you want to tell me privately, you can email me (look for the "Email this user" option at the left of the page), but do not expect a reply. You may also want to contact the Volunteer Response Team via email if it's related to an article; this is the route we recommend if there's sensitive information to be discussed, such as when the subject of an article wishes to verify their identity. —C.Fred (talk) 03:28, 19 January 2021 (UTC)

kill the drama
yes, C.Fred if you could please revert to draft status for /kill the drama so i can improve the article that would be great. Thank you and sorry as i'm not very hip to wiki199.30.194.252 (talk) 19:23, 21 January 2021 (UTC)stevestiller
 * Reply will be at WP:REFUND. —C.Fred (talk) 19:24, 21 January 2021 (UTC)

A kitten for you! 🙃
That was quick! 😅

I just tagged the draft for CSD.

Thanks 🥸

Tatupiplu'talk 05:05, 25 January 2021 (UTC) 

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ArchiveSent by MediaWiki message delivery (talk) 19:09, 1 February 2021 (UTC)

Pavan Kapoor
It's still largely copied from here. CUPIDICAE💕 18:54, 2 February 2021 (UTC)


 * It feels more info that facts. I've tweaked the wording to improve on that. Do you think there are still revisions that need revdel'ed? —C.Fred (talk) 18:55, 2 February 2021 (UTC)
 * I would personally revdel it up to your revision. CUPIDICAE💕  18:55, 2 February 2021 (UTC)
 * I have done that and deleted further, citing this conversation as rationale. —C.Fred (talk) 18:58, 2 February 2021 (UTC)

User:Intern2020
Hi C.Fred, Thank you for initiating a temporary ban on User:Intern2020. Said user keeps reverting sourced edits to the Johnny Gilbert article without explanation and refuses to work with other users to find a resolution. Sadly since the ban has now expired, the user is back to their old tricks already, making the same edit to the Gilbert page. Is there a further step that can be taken towards a permanent ban? This is outside my area I'm afraid because up until now I've never had a persistently disruptive editor on any of the pages on my Watchlist! Thanks --Jkaharper (talk) 13:46, 28 January 2021 (UTC)


 * Johnny Gilbert can tell this user about their parting gifts now. :) Since they refuse to discuss and flagged their last edit as minor, they are now blocked indefinitely. —C.Fred (talk) 21:49, 28 January 2021 (UTC)
 * Had a bad feeling that we hadn’t seen the last of this person. They’ve now returned under the new username of Intern2021, and vandalising the same pages. Do we have to go through the same drawn out process to get a ban placed on the account or can it be speedily blocked given that it’s an obvious sockpuppet of a previous banner user? Thanks --Jkaharper (talk) 22:37, 6 February 2021 (UTC)

Hello :)
Hi Fred! LK coach (talk) 21:37, 9 February 2021 (UTC)

Rise and Shine and Hair Tie
Hello! Rise and Shine by Niki and Gabi is actually a single, they said that at the end of the music video, also Hair Tie is not a Non-album single, it's from their current abandoned debut album. Also can I make solo articles for these duo? or maybe articles for their solo singles/albums with notable sources? Gabriella Grande (talk) 23:01, 11 February 2021 (UTC)
 * "It's from their current abandoned debut album." In other words, it's not from any album known to exist. And no, neither they as solo artists nor their solo work is notable enough for articles. —C.Fred (talk) 02:39, 12 February 2021 (UTC)

Christmas song vandal
See Sockpuppet investigations/CJEDJCRobertiPARMMSCTBrown2000s-2010s-2020s/Archive - MrOllie (talk) 18:39, 15 February 2021 (UTC)

206.188.227.40
Can user:206.188.227.40 please be blocked ASAP for vandalism. CLCStudent (talk) 18:33, 22 February 2021 (UTC)

About deleting a article
Zeyan shafiq in 2017 a little boy without any coding knowledge, how he create or develop a app. If i see a udemy course and create a app after post some newpaper release than i will be eligible for wikipedia article. Please don’t promote this types of thing. Besides the creator of this page also blocked for socks puppetry. Think deeply. Thanks — Preceding unsigned comment added by 103.127.95.162 (talk) 18:22, 22 February 2021 (UTC)
 * The claim about the creator of the page is irrelevant at this point, because there have been substantial edits by other editors. Further, the tone is not unduly and unsalvageably promotional, so CSD G11 does not apply. There is no reason for this article to be subject to speedy deletion. —C.Fred (talk) 18:26, 22 February 2021 (UTC)
 * Further, based on the persistent inappropriate tagging, I have protected the article. —C.Fred (talk) 18:32, 22 February 2021 (UTC)

Sir the creator of this article also a sockspuppet of zeyan and other account beside this article should delete because of violating indian govt. Rules. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 103.127.95.161 (talk) 18:52, 22 February 2021 (UTC)


 * There is no speedy deletion criterion for violating Indian government rules. Additionally, the article has been edited by multiple independent editors, so any issues of who the creator is are not grounds for speedy deletion. —C.Fred (talk) 20:25, 22 February 2021 (UTC)

87.8.92.150
You blocked on Monday. Disruption has resumed. Would you reblock, please? Seven days? --John Maynard Friedman (talk) 20:55, 24 February 2021 (UTC)
 * Are we sure it's a static IP and the same individual? There's overlap but no smoking gun that it's the same editor. —C.Fred (talk) 20:58, 24 February 2021 (UTC)
 * Only that it is same target but the honest answer has to be no, we don't. Ok, let it ride for 24 hours and see what transpires. Thanks anyway. --John Maynard Friedman (talk) 00:09, 25 February 2021 (UTC)

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Archive Sent by MediaWiki message delivery (talk) 19:13, 1 March 2021 (UTC)

Please try to explain
I do not mind in the least that you deleted the unsourced date/year of birth from the article on Tariq Masood‎. But please you try to explain in on Syed Aashir's talk page. I am certain that he is well-meaning, but we need to somehow communicate to him that he needs to cite a source for stuff like date of birth, marriages, and children. Please help by trying to explain to him when you delete stuff. -- Toddy1 (talk) 20:23, 1 March 2021 (UTC)
 * No, I did not leave him a message on his talk page. But I did explain in the edit summary and with the hidden comment in the dob field, for if/when he attempts to add it again. —C.Fred (talk) 20:39, 1 March 2021 (UTC)
 * I know. But when he adds it again, please could you at leave a note on his page explaining why. -- Toddy1 (talk) 20:41, 1 March 2021 (UTC)
 * I also thought your message covered the issue, but I've expanded on it. —C.Fred (talk) 20:49, 1 March 2021 (UTC)

About Vice and other national rs news sources on page Prakash Neupane
I saw that you've added description of Vice on Prakash Neupane previously but the same guy has removed more than 10 news source by telling Un-reliable news source which includes national newspaper and news of Nepal and international news like Vice Asia Times and many other with his mad explanation.  Owlf  23:07, 2 March 2021 (UTC)
 * That's beyond the scope of what I looked at six months ago when I reworded the sentence. It was more a grammar issue; I probably made the change without evaluating the source. Concerns about sources are best addressed in the discussion at the article's talk page. —C.Fred (talk) 02:48, 3 March 2021 (UTC)

Gender pronouns
You're welcome to use he/his/him to Boud (talk) 23:25, 4 March 2021 (UTC)

About removing NPOV tags by an editor with a COI at University Bible Fellowship
Thanks for your help to resolve | the issue regarding the word "amassed". You might also see there was an ANI notice I opened regarding Bkarcher's violation. But it has been archived because he didn't respond instead he made comments to the talk page after I pointed out his problem. He keeps insisting his behaviour is ok. 1) as an editor with a COI, he removed NPOV tags without asking and any consensus. 2) removed old talks without asking and any consensus. 3) moved talks from the article's talk page to my talk page without asking and consensus. I am wondering how come no admins made comments on his behaviour. Do you also think his editing is acceptable? I am afraid if people follow his editing behaviour. Dlee612 (talk) 02:34, 12 March 2021 (UTC)


 * As a general rule, it is bad for an editor with a COI to remove a COI tag from an article. IIRC, he claimed in talk that some consensus had been reached through discussion, but don't quote me on that. It's bad form to move threads from an article's talk page to user talk, and it's unacceptable to remove old article talk-page threads (unless they're moved to an archive). —C.Fred (talk) 03:24, 12 March 2021 (UTC)
 * C.Fred He asked a user Nomoskedasticity in here but the editor didn't replied. And also he asked another user Tessaracter in here but the person didn't replied and I disagreed with several reasons in the same talk. So his claim is not true. This is the diff he removed the old talk-page threads. I think he just removed. Can you please check it out if it is archived?
 * If his claim is not true, moving an article's talks to user talk is bad form and removing old article talk threads without archiving is unacceptable, then should admins step in this problem? He claimed that no Admin saw fit to take up the issue. Is it really true? It is so frustrating to see that no admin pointed out his dogmatic behaviour and hear from him that my ANI report is inciting a drama.  Dlee612 (talk) 05:01, 12 March 2021 (UTC)
 * I'll save you the trouble of looking this up. The resolved discussions were archived in Archive 3 My talk page is filled with Dlee612's complaints over and over. Yes I did move a section of the article Talk to Dlee612's Talk page regarding his incessant arguing of the word "acquired". I'll put it back to the article if that's helpful? Bkarcher (talk) 12:42, 12 March 2021 (UTC)
 * I went ahead and moved the talk section about the word "acquire" back to the article. Bkarcher (talk) 14:26, 12 March 2021 (UTC)

Vandalism on Iraq page
Hi C.Fred,

A user named Zhenyar2003 keeps vandalizing the Iraq page. He keeps constantly removing Turkmens from the ethnic groups list, which is sourced info, with no explanation and clear non-sensical reasons such as 'the Turkish language isn't official' which is not relevant to his edits. I am trying to avoid an edit war and have already left a message on his talk page, to which he has not responded and continued his vandalism. Please see that administrators are aware so that this vandalism can be dealt with. Thank you كركوك عراقي (talk) 02:10, 13 March 2021 (UTC)


 * I don't see where the edits are clear vandalism, so the exception to 3RR does not apply in that article. —C.Fred (talk) 02:11, 13 March 2021 (UTC)


 * It is vandalism - he keeps removing the Turkmen from the list of ethnic groups. كركوك عراقي (talk) 02:12, 13 March 2021 (UTC)


 * Thank you for dealing with it so swiftly and professionally.كركوك عراقي (talk) 02:38, 13 March 2021 (UTC)

Adam Dahlberg
This person is quite satisfying the notability criteria since he is listed in many pages of the wiki and has contributed to art that have millions of views and won actual awards. --Comrade-yutyo (talk) 23:06, 12 March 2021 (UTC)


 * The community thinks otherwise. If he has done something over the last five years to achieve notability, you can start a draft at Draft:Adam Dahlberg and submit it for review. Let me know if you want me to restore the prior version of the draft that was deleted when it sat untouched for over six months. —C.Fred (talk) 00:49, 13 March 2021 (UTC)


 * It would be great if you can restore the prior version in a draft, to which I can add better references and add more as the man achieved much more important stuff since then, like his diss war with Comrade-yutyo (talk) 17:15, 13 March 2021 (UTC)


 * The draft is restored. —C.Fred (talk) 21:02, 13 March 2021 (UTC)

Thank you
Thank you for helping to perfect the ZeckoZICK start-up article. Can you help so that this article is not deleted? Andisetia21 (talk) 21:15, 13 March 2021 (UTC)


 * The way the AfD is going, the best way to save the article is for you to locate more coverage of him in reliable sources. The next best option would be, if the deletion discussion closes as delete, to ask for the page to be moved to draft space where it can incubate. —C.Fred (talk) 21:37, 13 March 2021 (UTC)

Who should I request that an article be saved on draft if the discussion has closed? Andisetia21 (talk) 21:54, 13 March 2021 (UTC)

can news articles like this help? https://bebaspedia.com/musik/satu-lagi-pelaku-musik-hip-hop-yang-harus-kamu-k Tahu/ https://gudeg.net/read/14840/grup-rap-blocksentral-rilis-single-baru.html If so, would you like to help provide a reference to the artist's article? Andisetia21 (talk) 22:00, 13 March 2021 (UTC)


 * Bebaspedia is not a reliable source. The Gudag.net article does not provide significant coverage of him as a solo artist. —C.Fred (talk) 23:11, 13 March 2021 (UTC)

Ok, Thank you. If my article is saved in draft can guarantee this article can be reproduced and not deleted? Andisetia21 (talk) 03:05, 14 March 2021 (UTC)


 * What do you mean by reproduced? —C.Fred (talk) 03:28, 14 March 2021 (UTC)

can that article re-write? Andisetia21 (talk) 04:29, 14 March 2021 (UTC)


 * The whole purpose of moving it to draft space is that it could continue to be worked on in the hopes of bringing it up to article standards. —C.Fred (talk) 12:46, 14 March 2021 (UTC)

This edit
Hello, apologies for the random message. I just came across this edit and thought it was very creative. -- Ashley yoursmile!  17:27, 16 March 2021 (UTC)


 * Thank you! I try to do that to make it a little more friendly a message, plus it shows that I am familiar with football (or soccer, depending on ENGVAR). —C.Fred (talk) 18:11, 16 March 2021 (UTC)

/* Contested deletion */ Here is explanation....
Sudip Lamichhane reliable links are as follows. Musixmatch Verified: https://www.musixmatch.com/artist/Sudip-Lamichhane Apple Music: https://artists.apple.com/a/artist/1553751544 Spotify Verified: https://open.spotify.com/artist/2Qf6zjimpsLZeSimsB2t — Preceding unsigned comment added by Takdeerr (talk • contribs) 15:32, 17 March 2021 (UTC)


 * None of those establish significance. —C.Fred (talk) 15:42, 17 March 2021 (UTC)

Salting
Just to be transparent; I salted the article at Sanat Sawant to prevent easy re-creation. This effectively overrides your temporary protection that was preventing those block-evading IPs, so I wanted you to be aware in case you objected or wanted to handle it differently. It looks like it was previously salted, but they used an aged account to create a draft and then move it over the salting. Kuru  (talk)  02:12, 29 March 2021 (UTC)


 * No objections. For transparency, my protection was to address the acute problem of block-evading IPs. Your salting addresses the chronic problem of repeated attempts by somebody (apparently the subject) to create a promotional article about a non-notable performer. —C.Fred (talk) 15:35, 29 March 2021 (UTC)

Pleading
Either "pleaded" or "pled" is fine with me. I only changed your wording because I hadn't checked the rest of the article or the edit history before I made my change, and I thought the two uses should be consistent. GA-RT-22 (talk) 23:21, 29 March 2021 (UTC)

Amharas
Hello C.Fred, I'm not sure if you saw my summary but I removed personally motivated revisionist history aimed at ethnically cleansing and wiping out the Amhara ethnic group and identity and unsourced claims. I also corrected false information based on peoples personal and unpublished article and personal feeling on Amharas ethnicity. Donald levin the major Ethiopia ethnographer who studied the Amharas said "Amhara in the broadest term identify with their ethnic group Amhara" in his famous wax and gold book. Please, one cannot edit this page because he wants to while mentioning village talks. Especially taking into consideration the political tension and upheaval currently occurring in Ethiopia and the animosity between several ethnic groups. Claiming that Amharas do not ethnically exist because they claim the town/region they are from is as absurd as saying immigrants lose their ethnic culture and identity if they are proud Americans/have American citizenship. There is an Amhara ethnicity and no one dispute it except Ethiopians who wants to deny their existence.--Wikidpedia — Preceding unsigned comment added by Wikidbpedia (talk • contribs) 00:36, 30 March 2021 (UTC)


 * You need to make a case for the sources being false and provide counter-sources at Talk:Amhara people. —C.Fred (talk) 19:00, 30 March 2021 (UTC)

Removal of photo of girl doing harvesting on Yadav title wikipedia page
Good Evening, Please remove the girl photo doing harvesting on Yadav title Wikipedia page. It makes our whole caste look like same and having the same occupation. Many higher caste people tease us by saying that all Yadav are poor people. It really hearts our sentiments and makes us feel like inferior people. Since in this modern time many of our Yadav community people are trying hard and working hard to remove our tag of backward class people. Now we are in every field like academic, sport, politics, literature, cinema, etc. This photo pulls us down and works as an example for other caste people to make us feel inferior. So it's a humble request to you please remove the photo. I have attached the link to the photo at the bottom. Hoping you will feel our emotions and bring down this photo. RakeshYadav741 (talk) 15:05, 1 April 2021 (UTC) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yadav#/media/File:Ahir_woman.jpg Thanking youRakeshYadav741 (talk) 15:05, 1 April 2021 (UTC)
 * Probably the best solution here is to have someone familiar with the community take and upload some high quality photographs so that we have a greater diversity of media to illustrate the article with.  G M G  talk  15:17, 1 April 2021 (UTC)
 * Oops. Sorry. This was next to a Teahouse post and thought it was a question there. Didn't mean to TPS.  G M G  talk  15:19, 1 April 2021 (UTC)

Steven Kaufman Birthplace Change
The change I made on 3/30/21 to Birth Place on Steven Kaufman was actually just a correction back to the original and correct Birth Place of Brooklyn, NY. The page history from 3/21/21 and 3/22/21 shows someone changed Birth Place from "Brooklyn, NY" to "Fartland, NY" (very funny), and then another user changing this to "Fairfield, Connecticut" both in the infobox and in the body of the article. I noticed this change on the 28th and made the corrections. I realize now that I should have reverted to an older version of the page and left a detailed note. What is the best way to proceed from here? Thank you. Marmstrong84 (talk) 14:28, 1 April 2021 (UTC)


 * Do you have a reliable source that shows his date and place of birth? Neither of those are verified from the source cited for that paragraph in the article right now, so I'm about to remove them. —C.Fred (talk) 15:34, 1 April 2021 (UTC)

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SPI Case Opened
Sorry. SPI case opened. I need to be anonymous. Notaharvardgrad (talk) 20:57, 10 April 2021 (UTC)

Problem user
Hi C.Fred. I see you removed misleading userboxes from 's userpage, after they added them again. I have an open discussion with about this user. I think there is language and/or WP:CIR issues here, and they're leaving a trail of wreckage behind them. --Drm310 🍁 (talk) 15:12, 13 April 2021 (UTC)
 * I think you're right on one, if not both, of those fronts. Based on their userboxes, they claim to be a native English speaker, but the geography information they put in another box tells a different story. If they keep on this path, it will be sooner rather than later that they lose the ability to create further messes. —C.Fred (talk) 16:51, 13 April 2021 (UTC)

In fairness, though...
The thread wasn't closed when I started replying, and I didn't get an edit conflict. But yeah, moot point, no offense taken. Not like it was going to magically and finally sink in. InedibleHulk (talk) 19:15, 13 April 2021 (UTC)


 * And there's the optics thing of not letting somebody else get the parting shot. No worries. —C.Fred (talk) 19:17, 13 April 2021 (UTC)
 * Aye, he can have it. InedibleHulk (talk) 19:44, 13 April 2021 (UTC)

Crypto/doge/btc/neweconomy
Hey C.Fred came across you while scouring the internet and I have a few questions for someone of your diligence and intelligence. In laymen’s terms I see what’s going on in the world right now and I have some assets in misc places and need some honest help. Osteopierogies (talk) 16:26, 14 April 2021 (UTC)

Tom Whatley
I spent a couple of hours yesterday finding and citing correct information for Tom Whatley only to find it was deleted shortly thereafter. Why? FYI... These were to further inform potential readers, mainly providing specifics about military career, voting record and awards won.--FJCest (talk) 13:11, 14 April 2021 (UTC)


 * Copyright violations. The text was copied word-for-word from another website. —C.Fred (talk) 15:16, 14 April 2021 (UTC)

@C.Fred: In the posted guidelines (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Copyright_violations) I read it to mean that items that are in public domain are ok to be copied, particularly when cited. I certainly want to comply with the guidelines. Is just a matter of putting these statements in my own words or adding quotation marks when quoted verbatim?--FJCest (talk) 17:48, 14 April 2021 (UTC)


 * The problem is, the text you quoted is not in the public domain. There is no release at https://tomwhatleyforsenate.com/ showing the text is in the public domain. (In the absence of a clear license statement, Wikipedia assumes an all-rights-reserved license.)
 * Really, the article would be better served if the text were re-written. It gets away from the PR tone of the subject's website. —C.Fred (talk) 19:15, 14 April 2021 (UTC)

"Blocked"/"banned"
Hi, sorry about my mistake at WP:ANI and thank you for correcting it. I now realize that I am (thankfully) not entirely familiar with the relevant terminology. JBchrch (talk) 12:51, 16 April 2021 (UTC)


 * No worries. The terms may be used interchangeably elsewhere, but there's a distinction on Wikipedia. A site ban is more severe than an indefinite block, which is why I wanted to clarify the closing note! However, bans can also be focused to specific topics; bans can be very useful to address users who cause problems in specific areas (topic bans) or with specific users (interaction bans): they're forbidden from the problem area but can edit the rest of the project. WP:Banning policy has more detail on them. —C.Fred (talk) 12:59, 16 April 2021 (UTC)

Blocking of IP user
As C.Fred responded to too many of my unsourced wrong edits, I have decided that at any time they can block me for some hours of time. - 31.187.7.220 (talk) 22:22, 17 April 2021 (UTC)

Decline of Deletion
"decline - fails A11, and G3 is a stretch"

What does this mean? Google "Liban sultanate" no searches and look through the sources on the page. It is made up

Escorban-Han (talk) 23:18, 17 April 2021 (UTC)


 * I don't think it's blatantly made up so much as it may be original research to call it that name. —C.Fred (talk) 01:11, 18 April 2021 (UTC)

The topic "Liban Sultanate" is blatantly made up and the rest on the page is just a mix of unrelated information and as you call it original research

Escorban-Han (talk) 01:16, 18 April 2021 (UTC)


 * I've tagged it for proposed deletion. I've left a tag on the Muzaffarids (Somalia) stating it appears to be a blatant hoax. I'm hoping to get more eyes on the situation. —C.Fred (talk) 01:20, 18 April 2021 (UTC)

Some of the tags looks to hav been taken down Escorban-Han (talk) 06:49, 18 April 2021 (UTC)

Greetings, it has came to my attention that the Liban sultanate article was nominated for deletion. The whole article has no original research and you can check all  79 cited sources if you want. Escorban continues to nominate every article I created for speedy deletion for the same reason (not well known). The Muzzafarid Empire is well known and extended their authority up to Sofala they also established a a dynasty the Hilalae dynasty which was a sub dynasty of the Muzzafarids, the Muzzafarid empire is also mentioned as the rulers of Banadir. The Liban sultanate is known for their authority over southern Ethiopia western Somalia and north eastern Kenya. Every thing in the article is sourced, Liban originated from the Worr Dasse the inhabitants of Liban, the ruling dynasty of Liban was the worr Liban the Ajuran empire annexed Liban and soon after the Worr Dasee established the Liban kingdom. Now I only use the term the Liban Sultanate because most of its inhabitants were Muslim and generally Muslim civilisations are called Sultanates. Rashicy (talk) 04:54, 18 April 2021 (UTC)

According to the Oromo dictionary worr Translates to people of Rashicy (talk) 04:55, 18 April 2021 (UTC)

Zamora (pianist)
Dear C. Fred,

I am a fan of Zamora and I have updated the biographic info with the same information from the official artist website.

Also, as it’s stated @ alejandrozamora.com, Wikipedia is granted to use biographic information and pictures from the artist website. No license is required.

The current biographic information published @Wikipedia is very outdated (it’s more than 10 years old) and it is misleading (he is a Two-time GRAMMY Nominee) and also it does not reflect his most outstanding lifetime achievements.

So, if one of the premises of Wikipedia is to have updated encyclopedic information, then I think that you as Wiki-librarian should to update it instead of undoing my revision to replace it with the same outdated information.

Looking forward to know if you need help to update it (I would be glad to help you) or if you would do it yourself.

Thank you!

186.167.245.118 (talk) 01:58, 19 April 2021 (UTC)


 * There are two reasons why we cannot use the text from the website.First is the fact that, even though the text states is usable at Wikipedia, that is not a sufficiently free license. For text to be free for Wikipedia purposes, it must be free for any purpose—including commercial reuse. The license terms at the Zamora website do not grant that kind of license.Second is the fact that the text on that website is written with a distinctively promotional tone. That makes it unacceptable for an encyclopedia.You are correct that the information could be updated from the website. However, it's a self-published source. Claims like the Grammy nominations would need to be independently verified. —C.Fred (talk) 02:07, 19 April 2021 (UTC)

Dear C.Fred,

Thanks for your kind message!

About your answer, I would be glad to send a message to the contact e-mail in the artist website to ask to update it with the needed info that you need to use his biographic information and pictures @ Wikipedia (you would have to tell me as it would to read exactly to forward it)

About your another answer, I think that you could edit the text in a form acceptable for Wikipedia.

And about the GRAMMY nominations, you can find a link of reference to the GRAMMY.com site, so that you can verify that he is a Two-time GRAMMY Nominee.

Looking forward to know if you would do it yourself or if you need my help (as I said, I would be glad to help you to update it)

Thank you!

186.167.244.112 (talk) 02:40, 19 April 2021 (UTC)

Good morning,

I am doing a draft to send an email to the admin of the official website of Zamora and I would like to know if the following change that I am requesting to do in order to comply with your guidelines to update the biography would be ok for you guys @Wikipedia.

Dear Website Admin @alejandrozamora.com

I am a fan of Zamora and I am trying to update the biography published @Wikipedia.com since it’s very outdated (more than 10 years old) but I was advised that the license / text at the bottom of the biography page / copyright section where it’s stated that Wikipedia is granted to use the biographical information and artists pictures from the official website is not enough for them and they need it to be free for any kind of use, not only for encyclopedic use.

So, I suggest to update it to:

“Artist pictures and biographical information are granted for ANY use @ Wikipedia.com”

Thank you!

190.77.136.73 (talk) 12:31, 19 April 2021 (UTC)


 * That would still be an unacceptable license. Any kind of restrictive "Wikipedia use only" license is unacceptable. For Wikipedia purposes, free content needs to be free for any purpose, even commercial reuse. Typically, artists and their managers don't want to grant that kind of license, especially when images are involved. —C.Fred (talk) 15:55, 19 April 2021 (UTC)

Hi C.Fred,

Thanks again for your message.

I will try to ask for the following change:

“Artist pictures and biographical information are granted for ANY use @ Wikipedia.com or ANY other place”

Please note that ANY use includes commercial use too.

So, it would be ok now ?

186.167.250.131 (talk) 16:57, 19 April 2021 (UTC)


 * It would be better to say that it's under some form of a free license, such as CC BY-SA 3.0, or that it's just placed in the public domain. Bear in mind that once one of those licenses is issued, it can't be revoked. —C.Fred (talk) 16:58, 19 April 2021 (UTC)

Great!

So, I will ask for the following change:

“Artist pictures and biographical information are granted for use in the public domain”

I will let you know when I have received an answer.

Thank you!

186.167.250.131 (talk) 17:09, 19 April 2021 (UTC)

Hi C.Fred,

I have wonderful good news!

I am very excited to tell you that my petition has been accepted and the change is public now @alejandrozamora.com :-)

We are free now to reuse the biographic information and the artist pictures published @alejandrozamora.com

So, I will publish a new updated biographical information including your new edits and you are free to re-edit any part that you may consider that it’s needed in order to comply with Wikipedia guidelines.

Thanks again for your suggestions and congratulations for your excellent work @Wikipedia.

186.167.245.17 (talk) 21:58, 19 April 2021 (UTC)

Vandalism
RossButsy has continued to edit disruptively. DarkShadowDude 💬 19:19, 19 April 2021 (UTC)


 * Problematically, yes, but I'm not convinced it's risen to the level of vandalism. —C.Fred (talk) 22:31, 19 April 2021 (UTC)

Ok but me being called a yank is more problematic though. DarkShadowDude 💬 22:40, 19 April 2021 (UTC)


 * Yes, there are issues with personal attacks, but that doesn't turn his edits into vandalism. If there are further such incidents, please send me a message and provide a diff of the edit where it happened. —C.Fred (talk) 23:07, 19 April 2021 (UTC)

Ok, I’ll try and provide a diff if there are anymore incidents or personal attacks, and I’ll try and find a revision for you. Best, DarkShadowDude 💬 06:02, 20 April 2021 (UTC)

Couldn’t link the revision identification to you, but please see the revision history for Talk:Friday Night Dinner. The user’s argument about an end to the series will not help their case either. DarkShadowDude 💬 16:54, 20 April 2021 (UTC)

And now he is attacking me again, calling me a geezer which by all standards I’m not. Please block him if his behaviour does not improve. DarkShadowDude 💬 17:06, 20 April 2021 (UTC)


 * A geezer is man pal. You seem to forget that you’re editing on a programme intended for British audiences. Your definition of personal attacks is far different to others. RossButsy (talk) 17:12, 20 April 2021 (UTC)


 * "Geezer" does carry connotations of either advanced age or not being hip/up-to-date. It's a mild personal attack, but ultimately it is still an attack. There are plenty of other words to describe a fellow editor. —C.Fred (talk) 17:48, 20 April 2021 (UTC)

Well then I apologise. But please note my own page and the description I used. Something I created over two years ago. RossButsy (talk) 17:49, 20 April 2021 (UTC)

@C.Fred My level? That sounds like a personal attack to me. RossButsy (talk) 18:17, 20 April 2021 (UTC)
 * Are you conceding that your comment to DarkShadowDude was a personal attack? —C.Fred (talk) 18:21, 20 April 2021 (UTC)

Nope but your comment was an attack on me. RossButsy (talk) 18:27, 20 April 2021 (UTC)


 * The comment implied that DSD might be entering the same arena of making personal attacks that you have been. So, if you perceive it as an attack on you, then you are admitting that there is something wrong with your own conduct. —C.Fred (talk) 18:30, 20 April 2021 (UTC)

I’m not his constant reporting and talking down and threatening other users only makes me draw the conclusion he’s been blocked from editing for his behaviour before. You made a comment about my “ level” you even described my “personal attack” as mild. My conduct is tip top mate. RossButsy (talk) 18:35, 20 April 2021 (UTC)


 * I would not be so optimistic about the quality of your conduct. Your recent edit history shows a pattern toward edit warring and uncollegial remarks toward fellow editors. Your longer term history shows a better pattern of quality editing, however. —C.Fred (talk) 18:39, 20 April 2021 (UTC)

A barnstar for you!
Thank you! I try to be patient, especially when I think there may be a language issue. And it's a technique I learned as a football official: if a coach wants to yell at you, stay calm and let him look all out of control. :) —C.Fred (talk) 21:33, 24 April 2021 (UTC)

WTF u stil didnt understand? What u want for i prove this PART OF TELKOMSEL? google meet no want, email no respond, then waht this function wikipedia? when someone notice u if Telkomsel have website informational but stil didnt want know abot fixing this problm? how u become ADM? How i can prove this is true if u didnt want my solution? what u solution about this? u said but not from koinx.id but koinx.id is part of Telkomsel, what the hell about u brain dude? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Alexlinenko (talk • contribs) 12:45, 25 April 2021 (UTC)

WikiProject Rocketry
You reverted my edits without explaining why. I have returned my edits. If this is a mistake, you can change it back. Please let me know why you did this. Starship SLS (formerly IP 64.121.103.144) (talk) 19:34, 27 April 2021 (UTC)


 * The edits were reverted because 1) I had doubts about whether the person you named was, in fact, the leader of the project, 2) whether you are the current leader of the project, and 3) whether projects really have leaders in the first place. —C.Fred (talk) 19:46, 27 April 2021 (UTC)
 * @C.Fred, I have seen projects with project coordinators who have self-appointed themselves (see WikiProject Solar System), and the former project coordinator abandoned the project last year. That user also is now blocked from editing. I revived the project a week or two ago. Starship SLS (formerly IP 64.121.103.144) (talk) 19:51, 27 April 2021 (UTC)
 * Thank you for that response, which shows me you've looked at other projects. And thank you for stepping up to the plate on Rocketry! —C.Fred (talk) 20:48, 27 April 2021 (UTC)
 * @C.Fred You welcome. I haven't been editing for long, so I like to ask people their advice. Do you have any advice? Starship SLS (formerly IP 64.121.103.144) (talk) 22:15, 27 April 2021 (UTC)

I have unreviewed a page you curated
Hi, I'm CommanderWaterford. I wanted to let you know that I saw the page you reviewed, Salah Eddine Saadouni, and have marked it as unreviewed. If you have any questions, please ask them on my talk page. Thank you.

(Message delivered via the Page Curation tool, on behalf of the reviewer.)

CommanderWaterford (talk) 12:08, 28 April 2021 (UTC)

Another revert by user:Giorgi Mechurchle
He has just made another revert, completely ignoring the WP:RS posted at the talk page and the fact that numerous users disagree with the stuff he tries to put into the article. He has made now 10 reverts in total. - LouisAragon (talk) 15:18, 28 April 2021 (UTC)
 * The material he has written to you above only proves once more that he is only here to right great wrongs, and is not here to build this encyclopedia:
 * "(...) which is totally unacceptable, anti-historic and discriminational (those 2 kings are saints of Georgian Orthodox Church, tortured by Muslim Shahs)!!!!"
 * "(...) but is there any other way to eliminate falsification of history?"
 * - LouisAragon (talk) 15:22, 28 April 2021 (UTC)
 * Please see the above message and let me know if there are further reverts by this user. I don't like sending users to WP:ANI for topic ban discussions, but their conduct may force the issue. —C.Fred (talk) 15:47, 28 April 2021 (UTC)
 * Under terms of your warning, wouldn't it be normal to issue a block in this case? Possibly 48 hours? EdJohnston (talk) 16:19, 28 April 2021 (UTC)
 * No and yes. Given that four days passed, I'm willing to let one revert slide. Obviously, more than one revert changes the situation. If the user goes to the talk page, all is good. If they revert again, you have a point about a block. —C.Fred (talk) 17:03, 28 April 2021 (UTC)

Safavid Georgia
Hello, All my editions are correct and logical with plenty of sources, which I have provided. Those 3 users try to Persianise and Islamise the names of Christian and Georgian kings (one of them is the saint of Georgian Orthodox Church). That kings were Christians and Georgians, not Persians and Muslims. Please, first of all read my editions/make some research, than you will understand that I am trying to give the article more academic form.

Can you imagine Christianisation of the names of Muslim kings in Wikipedia, will it be right?

P.S. I do not want to break any rule, but in this article there is horrific falisfication of history.Giorgi Mechurchle (talk) 23:23, 24 April 2021 (UTC)


 * I'm not convinced that the other editors are acting in bad faith, so you are involved in a content dispute, and that is not an exception to 3RR. —C.Fred (talk) 23:53, 24 April 2021 (UTC)

I have already discussed my editions in articles talk page, there you can see my arguments and sources. Those who are against have 0 argument. But still they are against to write the names of Georgian and Christian kings in normal, academically acknowledged way. Names of Georgian/Christian Kings are written in Islamised/Persianised form, which is totally unacceptable, anti-historic and discriminational (those 2 kings are saints of Georgian Orthodox Church, tortured by Muslim Shahs)!!!!

So, I do not want to break any rule, but is there any other way to eliminate falsification of history? Can you decide this problem? Giorgi Mechurchle (talk) 11:45, 28 April 2021 (UTC)


 * I see where other editors have raised concerns about original research on your part in adding the "Christian/Georgian" names to the article. Based on that, the burden is clearly on you to show that names other than what are currently in the article are the common names by which the kings are referred.
 * I also have concerns that you may not be approaching this topic from a neutral point of view. On that grounds, I suggest that you voluntarily stop reverting the Safavid Georgia article. Discuss your desired changes at Talk:Safavid Georgia; after consensus is reached, let another editor make the changes (or contact me when clear consensus is reached). If you continue to unilaterally change the article in a disruptive fashion, then my next step will be to consult with other administrators about whether your editing on Wikipedia should be restricted with a topic ban to prevent all edits by you related to kings of Georgia, broadly construed. —C.Fred (talk) 15:45, 28 April 2021 (UTC)

I am 100% neutral, here you can see the names of those Georgian kings in English language Historical Dictionary:

''TEIMURAZ I (1589–1663). King of Kakheti from 1606–1648 and of Kartli-Kakheti from 1625–1632. MIKABERIDZE, ALEXANDER. HISTORICAL DICTIONARY OF GEORGIA. The Scarecrow Press, Inc. 2007. P.616

LUARSAB II. King of Kartli in 1606–1615. He ascended the throne of Kartli after the death of King Giorgi X and received his investiture from Shah Abbas I of Persia. MIKABERIDZE, ALEXANDER. HISTORICAL DICTIONARY OF GEORGIA. The Scarecrow Press, Inc. 2007. P.440 ''

So, as you can see here we have Teimuraz and Luarsab, Georgian and Christian forms of those kings NOT Islamised/Persianised Lohrsab and Tahmurat. In all academic dictionaries you will see the same. Even here, in Wikipedia we have articles - Luarsab II and Teimuraz I, not Lohrsab and Tahmurat.

after consensus is reached

But they are against, their intention is just to Islamise and Persianise the names of Christian and Georgian kings (and saints too). Everything what they are trying to do is anti-historic absurd and discriminational.Giorgi Mechurchle (talk) 19:25, 28 April 2021 (UTC)


 * Which English language Historical Dictionary did you use, so that other editors can verify your claims? —C.Fred (talk) 19:51, 28 April 2021 (UTC)

Clarification and thanks!
Hi C.Fred,

I'm a long team Wikipedia reader, first time editor. First of all, I want to say thanks for jumping in in regards to the Zahir family of pages. Again, I want to stress that I am new to editing and I did not know that this type of "edit war" was problematic. Please advise me if you can on how I should proceed with reaching a solution. I would really appreciate that. Second, I would like to clarify the situation and give you more details.

I saw a glaring error on the page of Ahmad Zahir and the rest of his family (Abdul Zahir and Zahira Zahir) so I decided to correct it (this was my first edit ever!). I saw that my changes were undone very quickly and of course you know the rest about the corresponding edit war with AFGFactChecker. I am not one to get involved in ethnic disputes. As a matter of fact, I am 100% OK with leaving references to the family's ethnicity completely off of their respective pages. However, AFGFactChecker is insistent on including ethnicity on Abdul Zahir and Zahira Zahir's pages but not Ahmad Zahir's. This is a blatantly clear and sneaky attempt at a workaround to try to get readers to conclude the ethnicity of Ahmad Zahir. If in fact Ahmad Zahir's father and sister are Tajiks, what would the reader instantly conclude about Ahmad Zahir himself? Additionally, the "sources" that AFGFactChecker are using are not solid. I'm assuming you don't speak Dari/Farsi, so let me be the first to tell you that the "Tolo TV Documentary" is more accurately described as an entertainment show doing a segment where a group of people sit and reminisce the golden days of Afghanistan.

On the other hand there are so many reliable sources that list Ahmad Zahir's ethnicity as Pashtun. Highly respected sources from the United States, Britain, and the Middle East. As a matter of fact, even a local source (Gandhara) says the family is ethnically Pashtun. Gandhara is THE go-to source for English-language reporting by local journalists across Afghanistan and Pakistan. You can read more about Gandhara here (https://gandhara.rferl.org/about-gandhara). Also, Toot TV (a local Afghan channel) recently did an episode of "Afghan Scene" where they visit the home/estate of Ahmad Zahir's family in Laghman. Again I will assume you do not speak the languages of Afghanistan, but if you did you would have heard that everyone in the village is speaking Pashto. Unlike AFGFactChecker, I will not try to pass this video off as a "Documentary". Just wanted to share it as tertiary evidence, if you will.

You can see all the links to sources that I referenced in the previous paragraph below (I'm sure there are more, this was just what I found after looking for 2 minutes):

https://www.nytimes.com/2003/03/20/world/kabul-journal-the-afghan-elvis-lives-24-years-after-his-death.html

https://gandhara.rferl.org/a/afghan-singer-s-legacy-continues-at-home-and-abroad/29570627.html

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2003/nov/28/afghanistan.arts

https://www.aljazeera.com/features/2019/10/10/evergreen-afghan-elviss-legacy-endures-decades-after-death

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=piK4ixktegI (Afghan Scene Episode)

To conclude, in my opinion if we want to be accurate than the only thing that makes sense is for the family's ethnicity to be listed as Pashtun. This is common knowledge known by Afghans in Afghanistan as well as the diaspora. However, if removing ethnicity completely and locking the pages is what it takes to end this non-sense, I am OK with that as well.

— Preceding unsigned comment added by WikiEditUsername7 (talk • contribs) 29 April 2021; 18:36 UTC


 * I hope you see that there is a content dispute about the family's ethnicity, and that the way to proceed is through discussion and consensus building at the related articles' talk pages. —C.Fred (talk) 20:06, 29 April 2021 (UTC)

Hi Fred I hope you see why I have the right to be angry at this user for coming to your talk page and writing all this out to you while I repeatedly implored them to do so on the talk pages of the articles in my edit summaries. Their claims about the documentary featuring Ahmad Zahirs associates are baseless TOLO is a respectable fact-based organization and authoritative for matters related to Afghanistan and they conveniently ignore the other sources I mentioned such as his fathers contemporary Mohammad Sediq Farhangs book and the interview with his friend Safiullah Sobat. We already had our discussion on Ahmad Zahir's talk page regarding the dispute over Western Sources so I won't go into that. They are being completely inaccurate with their common knowledge thing as well and as you may remember from all the links I shared from the Facebook pages in the talk page for Ahmad Zahir it is also common to accept their family as being Tajik based on all those sources I cited in the talk page. It's a real shame that this user didn't bother having this discussion on the talk page with me instead of edit warring bc I probably may just ended up accepting a compromise not to include ethnicity at all like we did with the Ahmad Zahir page. AFGFactChecker (talk) 19:36, 29 April 2021 (UTC)


 * I don't think I like the chain of logic I'm getting for that. If you would have left ethnicity blank if there had been discussion on the talk page, does that mean you kept adding ethnicity out of spite for there not being discussion? See WP:POINT. —C.Fred (talk) 20:05, 29 April 2021 (UTC)

Oh no I think I didn't properly convey what I was trying to say, I was trying to say that had the user accepted my invitation to have a discussion on the talk page instead of edit warring with me there might have been a chance that we would have reached a mutual consensus to not include any references to ethnicity in the article like we did a while back with the Ahmad Zahir article. I was under the impression that it was okay to stop their reversion to my edits on those pages since they were either not able or not willing to engage in a discussion on the talk pages of the articles even though I had created sections for them and had implored them to discuss with me multiple times in my edit summaries. My apologies if this was a wrong approach. AFGFactChecker (talk) 20:20, 29 April 2021 (UTC)


 * Forgive the direct statement, but it is the wrong approach. Once there is disagreement, the back-and-forth editing should stop, and both parties should proceed to the talk page for discussion. —C.Fred (talk) 20:35, 29 April 2021 (UTC)
 * No thank you for the clarification, it's no problem at all, and like you said there should have been a discussion on the talk page, but sadly the other user just continued to edit war even though I had implored them to come and have a discussion on the talk page and I even proceeded to create a new section on those pages for it but never got a response. [][] — Preceding unsigned comment added by AFGFactChecker (talk • contribs) 20:55, 29 April 2021 (UTC)



As I mentioned, I am new to Wikipedia editing. I did not understand the requests to go to the "talk" page. However, I made it very clear in the edits that I made that we should leave ethnicity out of it. The edits I made had detailed comments saying to leave ethnicity out of it, that there is a dispute about ethnicity, that there are multiple reputable sources saying it's Pashtun, etc. Yet, I didn't keep changing the ethnicity to Pashtun. All I did was remove references to ethnicity completely. AFGFactChecker saw those edits AND those comments, but refused to leave the pages with no ethnicity and continued to add Tajik as the ethnicity of the family over and over again. C.Fred, you are entirely right about the logic of AFGFactChecker, it is very flawed. AFGFactChecker did include the ethnicity out of spite.

Additionally, if in fact all the western sources are flawed, like you claim, what about Gandhara? Just go and read their about page. I'll summarize it for you below:

Gandhara is the go-to source for English-language reporting by a vast network of local journalists across Afghanistan and Pakistan. At Gandhara you get the independent, informed, and balanced journalism of our local correspondents. The reports from Afghanistan are sourced from Radio Free Afghanistan, locally called Radio Azadi or Azadi Radio and its network of 40 reporters in Afghanistan’s capital, Kabul and a majority of key provinces, and from Radio Mashaal's nationwide network of journalists. RFE/RL is a private, nonprofit, fully independent news outlet. It is funded by a grant from the U.S. Congress through the United States Agency for Global Media, and its editorial independence is guaranteed by U.S. law. RFE/RL journalists provide what many people cannot get locally: uncensored news and open debate. RFE/RL strives to meet the highest standards of objective journalism and report the facts, undaunted by pressure or attempted influence. Our reporters are on the front lines in the fight for media freedom in their countries. RFE/RL serves 23 countries in 27 languages.

WikiEditUsername7 (talk) 20:38, 29 April 2021 (UTC)

WikiEditUsername7 why are you having this discussion on here instead of the talk page of the articles? And stop portraying me as a villain you boasted about your sources multiple times in your edit summaries and I literally told you in mine that I quote "Bring those alleged sources to the talk page and stop your edit warring and then we can discuss a compromise of leaving ethnicity out of these pages as well."

I can also quote you Tolo's page but I won't bother since this isn't the appropriate place to be having a content discussion. — Preceding unsigned comment added by AFGFactChecker (talk • contribs) 21:06, 29 April 2021 (UTC)

Have done cleanup and some improvements to page
Hi, C.Fred! Thanks for all your useful contributions to Wikipedia. I have done some cleanup and improvements to Elena Belle page like highlighted his current legal name, removed blogger, and replaced with a model which is more appropriate and backed up by WP:RS. I hope these changes can be considered as improvements. Again, thanks for reading this and for your all useful time given to this community :) Riteboke (talk) 08:57, 2 May 2021 (UTC)

ANI discussion on Zamora
At. Thanks, 2601:188:180:B8E0:65F5:930C:B0B2:CD63 (talk) 14:10, 2 May 2021 (UTC)

Zamora (Pianist)
Dear C.Fred,

I’m copying and pasting here this conversation from my talk page “for your reference”, in order to restore a huge list of true facts with solid references that were removed from the article about Zamora, considering that you are an active admin who has shown to care for the integrity of his article since more than 10 years ago @Wikipedia.

Thank you!

Johnjmuller (talk) 23:05, 28 April 2021 (UTC)

Zamora (pianist)

I was about to post this to the talk page of the IP you have been using, when I noticed that you had created an account, so I'll add this here instead. Regarding your edit to Zamora (pianist) and your comment on my user talk page: just because a website is freely licensed for Wikipedia to use, it does not follow that the text on that website is going to be appropriate for an encyclopedia. You mention your conversation with C.Fred, but if you read what C.Fred actually said, you will see that they stated from the beginning that the text on Zamora's website is not acceptable for Wikipedia, even if it is freely licenced.

The text you restored, copied from Zamora's website, violates a couple of central Wikipedia policies: as C.Fred also pointed out, it is entirely promotional (see this policy), and it is not verified (see this policy) in reliable sources (see this guideline). Note that a person's own website can only be used as a source to a very limited extent (more information here), and never to support promotional claims or statements. In addition, secondary sources can only be used to support information that is actually in the sources. Neither of the El Universal sources says that Zamora is considered a national treasure or that he is "one of the greatest composers"; one of the sources only mentions him in passing, and the other one is an interview which can be used as a source, but not to that kind of statement. (Important: Even if you do have an independent source calling Zamora a "national treasure", that statement could not be added as a fact in Wikipedia's voice, only as an opinion of some specific publisher. Look at the article Stephen Fry for one example of how such an opinion can be added.)

In addition to violating the neutrality, verifiability, and reliable sources policies/guideline, very little of the content is appropriate for an encyclopedia article. Please see what Wikipedia is not. Among other things, it is not a place to publish "the untold story" of a person's life. Thank you. --bonadea contributions talk 08:31, 28 April 2021 (UTC)

Dear Bonadea,

Thanks for your message.

However, I do not agree with your edit since that you removed relevant information and true facts with solid references about pianist and composer Zamora.

For example,

Zamora was postulated two times as Presidential Candidate of Venezuela and you removed it, even with the official press release from the National Electoral Council of Venezuela (CNE) as reference announcing him as one of the Presidential Candidates.

Here is the link with the official press release from the National Electoral Council of Venezuela:

Link of reference:

http://www4.cne.gob.ve/web/sala_prensa/noticia_detallada.php?id=2078

Zamora is also considered a national treasure and as one of the greatest composers of piano and instrumental music worldwide. The review was made by Julie Anderson (AirPlayDirect.com). So, I agree to restore this relevant fact as you suggested (He has been “described” as a national treasure and as one of the greatest composers of piano and instrumental music worldwide). The article about Zamora published by major Venezuelan newspaper EL UNIVERSAL seems to have been placed wrongly as reference about that.

Here is the link with the official biographical review by Julie Anderson @AirPlayDirect.com

Link of reference:

http://www.airplaydirect.com/music/zamora

Zamora is also a writer and you removed this fact.

Here is his official author page @Amazon.com.

Link of reference:

https://www.amazon.com/Zamora/e/B003K57CB2/

Zamora lives traveling between The United States, his native country and around the world according to his official website and you wrongly stated that he lives in both Los Angeles and Venezuela.

No person (human) is able to live in two locations at the same time.

Here is the link of reference from his official website (alejandrozamora.com)

http://alejandrozamora.com/www_eng/bio/full_bio/full_bio.htm

He is also a politician (same as writer) and you removed this true fact.

Link of reference:

http://www4.cne.gob.ve/web/sala_prensa/noticia_detallada.php?id=2078

(Same link with the official press release from the National Electoral Council of Venezuela)

Also, official documents signed by the National Electoral Council of Venezuela showing that he was postulated two times as Presidential Candidate of Venezuela (2012 and 2018) are available at the official website of Zamora.

Link of reference:

http://alejandrozamora.com/www_eng/bio/bio.htm

Zamora arrived to the red carpet of the GRAMMYs in a “DeLorean” - the iconic car used in the legendary movie “Back to The Future” dresses as King with a cape, crown and scepter and you removed this fact.

Link of reference:

http://alejandrozamora.com/www_eng/bio/bio.htm

VIDEO:

http://alejandrozamora.com/video/ZAMORA_GRAMMY_DELOREAN/

Zamora was nominated @The GRAMMYs (2010) in the same category along with legendary artist “Kitaro” and you removed this important and relevant fact.

Link of reference:

List of GRAMMY Nominees - New Age category (2010)

http://alejandrozamora.com/www_eng/bio/full_bio/53_GRAMMY.pdf

Zamora also was nominated @The GRAMMYs (2011) in the same category along with legendary artist “Pat Metheny” and you also removed this important and relevant fact.

List of GRAMMY Nominees - New Age category (2011)

Link of reference:

http://alejandrozamora.com/www_eng/bio/full_bio/54_GRAMMY.pdf

He is a descendant from General "Ezequiel Zamora"

Here is the genealogical tree of Zamora published at his official website (hyperlink “descendant”)

Link of reference:

http://alejandrozamora.com/www_eng/bio/full_bio/zamora_tree.PNG

Zamora is also a singer and you removed this fact.

You can listen him singing in the samples of his new album VOX published at his official website.

Link of reference:

http://alejandrozamora.com/www_eng/disco/vox/vox.htm

He is also a philanthropist and you removed this fact. A Philanthropist can be anyone helping other people through their own Foundation.

Here is the link to his Foundation.

Link of Reference:

http://foundation.alejandrozamora.com

He is also a philosopher and evangelist and you removed this fact.

You can read these facts through his many thoughts, proverbs and reflections of his evangelist teachings and experiences in his book Thoughts, Proverbs and Reflections.

Here is the link to his book @Amazon.com

Link of Reference:

https://www.amazon.com/dp/1449598366

He supports and promotes a healthy lifestyle, a healthy diet and he is also advocated of natural medicine.

You can read these facts in his book “Panacea”.

Here is the link to his book titled “Panacea”

Link of Reference:

http://alejandrozamora.com/www_eng/biblio/panacea/panacea.htm

His music has been offered online worldwide through all the international websites of Amazon.com, including America, Asia and Europe.

Link of reference:

Amazon.com (US / North America)

https://www.amazon.com

Amazon.com (Europe)

https://www.amazon.es/Instrumental-Oasis-Vol-6-Zamora/dp/B01GUP4QBC

Amazon.com (Asia)

https://www.amazon.co.jp/-/en/Zamora/dp/B01GUP4QBC

Prestigious singers from around the world have sung his songs in different languages, including famous singers Ana María Kovacs from Hungary and Leti Garza, from Texas, USA who is the vocalist of the song “Tropical Oasis” of his GRAMMY® nominated album “Instrumental Oasis, Vol.4”

You can listen and watch the video of these singers singing the songs composed by Zamora here:

Link of reference:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EXqq38tTSRw

The vocal version of the instrumental song “Tropical Oasis” from his GRAMMY® nominated album “Instrumental Oasis, Vol. 4” performed by Leti Garza was a great success around the world gathering thousands of views in YouTube.

Here is the link to the video @YouTube

Link of reference:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EXqq38tTSRw

The video of the vocal version of "Tropical Oasis", from the original GRAMMY® nominated album was created thanks to Mike Greenly, who wrote the lyrics of the Virginia state anthem.

Here is the link to the video posted @YouTube with Mike Greenly himself commenting and the pinned comment with the special thanks given by Zamora to Mike Greenly.

Link of reference:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EXqq38tTSRw

He is the Founder / Admin of The G-Club!, a Facebook group with more than 10 years online and a coalition of more than 2000 prestigious musicians, independent artists, celebrities, nominees, winners and voting members of The GRAMMYs, The EMMYs and The Hollywood Music In Media Awards (HMMA) among many other prestigious awards.

Here is the link to the Facebook group:

Link of reference:

https://www.facebook.com/groups/434141456691589

Zamora is the owner of a radio station called OASIS-FM

Link of reference:

http://oasis-fm.ddns.net

Zamora is the owner of an UBER style taxi service in his native country.

You can see that Zamora / Zamora Foundation is the owner listed at the bottom of the page.

Link of reference:

http://www.tutaxi.com.ve

Zamora has been donor and supporter of many non-profit organizations like UNICEF, the Internatinal Red Cross and MusiCares through the GRAMMY® Foundation.

Here is a link showing his name as official supporter @MusiCares and The GRAMMY Foundation

Link of reference:

MusiCares:

https://www.grammy.com/sites/com/files/pages/mc_csr_2012.pdf

GRAMMY Foundation:

https://www.grammy.com/sites/com/files/pages/gf_csr_2012.pdf

He has received special recognition and congratulations from many public figures, musicians and personalities around the world as NASA Administrator, Charles Bolden, Prince of Asturias (Actually King of Spain), The Vatican / Pope Francis / Secretary of State Cardinal Pietro Parolin, Ambassador / Apostolic Nuncio Aldo Giordano, Kevin Pike, Mike Greenly, Ambassador Vladimir Zaemsky from Russia, José Antonio Abreu, Los Angeles Philharmonic Director / Conductor Gustavo Dudamel and legendary musician “Chick Corea”, among many others.

You can see here a huge showcase of recognitions and words of congratulations from personalities and public figures around the world given to Zamora.

Link of reference:

http://alejandrozamora.com/www_eng/bio/full_bio/full_bio.htm

The list of true facts with solid references that you removed is longer but I am highlighting this list to start.

Now, if one of the premises of Wikipedia is to keep an updated biography with true facts about public figures and celebrities like Zamora then you should to restore these true facts instead of removing or hidden these relevant facts with solid references.

However, I also would be glad to help you to restore and improve the article about him.

So, I would like to know if you are going to restore these true facts with solid references that you removed, or if I can do that to continue improving the article.

By the way, I have had a good relationship and experience with Admin C.Fred and I hope to have the same outcome with you to work together improving the article about Zamora.

Thank you!

Johnjmuller (talk) 22:00, 28 April 2021 (UTC)

By the way, the user who made this edit is not from the US. Also, his talk page is disabled. I’ve answered the message that he wrote in my talk page but perhaps I’m not going to get any answer from him never considering that his talk page is disabled and I don’t know if he would have to check manually to find my answer.

So, I would like to know how to proceed now to restore all the huge list of true facts with solid references that he wiped out,

1. You would review it and you would restore fact by fact after verifying each reference one by one ?

Or

2. Can I do it again ? (I’ve said that I would be glad to help to restore and improve the article) but... I would need to know how to proceed with this article at this point since I’m afraid to lose my time again doing this huge work if this user (or any other) comes again and erase all facts even with solid references. Also, if one of the reasons was that the biography can’t be copied even when it’s public domain, the right thing was to edit it instead of erasing this huge list of true facts with solid references.

Or

3. We need to wait for him ? (recommended or mandatory?)

Thank you!

Johnjmuller (talk) 02:55, 29 April 2021 (UTC)


 * I'll start with number two. Do not add the material wholesale again. As was noted, an artist's biography from his website is not always appropriate for a Wikipedia article. Wikipedia is an encyclopedia. It is not a listing of true (sic) facts about a subject, and it is not a press release. It is a prose description of subjects, written from neutral point of view, and based on information that can be sourced to independent reliable sources. Legitimate concerns were raised that the tone was unacceptable.
 * Additionally, given how easily you were able to get the license terms changed on the subject's website, it raises concerns about whether you have a conflict of interest or are a paid editor: either of those situations would make it unwise for you to directly edit the article. ( I would like your opinion on this point please.)
 * Moving on to number one, some of the material remains. The photo of him arriving at the Grammys in a DeLorean is still in the article, even though the prose about the event was removed. To get the material readded, you would need to go through, one item at a time, and request the edit on the talk page, citing sources for each. Please do not try to laundry list all of the changes at once; frankly, your post was so overwhelmingly long that I did not read each of the items listed. If you're willing to go slow and post these requests at Talk:Zamora (pianist), I'll be glad to assist, but I don't get a supervote in discussion: Wikipedia works on a consensus basis, so if other editors raise policy-based objections to the material, it doesn't go in (or it gets edited considerably).
 * Finally, yes, since they've objected, we need to give an opportunity to comment. I have pinged them to alert them to this conversation. And if they're not from the US, that just means a little longer wait for responses due to time zone differences; there's nothing otherwise significant about that for editing purposes. —C.Fred (talk) 12:20, 29 April 2021 (UTC)

Ok, thank you!

About your answer;

“...If you're willing to go slow and post these requests at Talk:Zamora (pianist), I'll be glad to assist,

“...To get the material readded, you would need to go through, one item at a time, and request the edit on the talk page, citing sources for each. Please do not try to laundry list all of the changes at once...”

I am going to copy & paste this huge list of true facts with solid references that were removed “as reference” to the talk page in order to start adding one item at a time as you suggested.

(I will add a number to each item to get it orderly)

Also, to remove all your concerns about being a paid editor or not to edit directly the article I will ask you to include item by item after adding one item and discussing it at the talk page.

Finally, considering the huge size of this list and some obvious items that were unfairly removed, I think that we can discuss and add 2 or 3 at the same time in order to restore all the items that were removed as soon as possible (for example, the fact that he is a writer, politician or singer too, with a simple reference to his books published at Amazon, or the Electoral National Council announcing him as Presidential Candidate or songs where he is singing a song, would be enough).

Thank you!

Johnjmuller (talk) 14:20, 29 April 2021 (UTC)


 * Thanks for the ping, C.Fred. I think it is pretty clear that Johnjmuller has a conflict of interest, given the immediate update of Zamora's own website as well as the extremely promotional nature of their edits., I had seen your response, but since it was extremely long I had not had the time or inclination to respond to it yet. I see that there is also discussion at the article's talk page which is the best place for it, but let me just point out that my nationality is irrelevant so I don't quite understand why you would bring it up. --bonadea contributions talk 08:24, 30 April 2021 (UTC)

Hi, I have already mentioned that I have no intention to edit directly the article without discussing it first in the talk page. I also have noted that you understanding of Spanish is not good. As I have said, I saw in your user page @Wikipedia that you have studied several languages and this happens when you try to speak more than 3 or 5 languages at the same time. Finally, your nationality or geographic location matters as C.Fred pointed out at least in your time zone difference and the time to wait for your answers, however it’s my personal opinion that people from Asia or Europe or any location, non-US citizens, or people far away from the Americas continent should to restrain to edit the article too (I mean if you are unable to understand Spanish or if you don’t have enough knowledge of Politics of a specific region or country, but it would be ok if you are from China and you have a reasonable knowledge to improve the article) However, as I have also noted, it seems that you also don’t have much knowledge about some fields like Americas politics, electoral processes or dictatorial regimes, even you erased a high amount of relevant information with solid references, instead of re-edit it or discuss it if you had any inquiry before of deleting anything. For that reason there are special tags to work with the article in the talk page without erasing facts. For example, if you are going to discuss about if Obama born in USA or not, you don’t have to erase the mention about that from the article about Obama. Same like Zamora being a Presidential Candidate or removing obvious facts like being a politician or writer. Now, there are a time frame where people is unable to know true facts as you same pointed that it might be included again now when the reference with the National Electoral Council of Venezuela announcing him as Presidential candidate was already here when you deleted it. So, IMHO, you should to self-limit / restrain to edit directly the article like me. However, after disrupting the article I hope to see than you can participate in the talk page of a positive way to improve the article instead of disrupting it. p.s, Also, I am not sure if your native language is English after you changed the original paragraph “Zamora lives traveling between Los Angeles, Venezuela and around the world, and you wrote that “Zamora lives in Los Angeles and Venezuela”. As I’ve highlighted, no person (human) is able to live in two places at the same time, and about the message that I’ve sent to you some days ago, don’t bother to answer it since I also don’t have the inclination to read your answer at this moment after your flawed approach and editing of the article about Zamora. However, I am open to read and answer your comment s in a future if they are to improve the article in a right and fair way instead of intervening only to disrupt the article, objecting all my comments, and delete information even with solid references to say now that it might be included now, so, I sincerely hope to have the same relationship and high level discussions with you like Wiki-Admin C.Fred in the future if your approach is different of a positive way to give your opinions to improve the article of Zamora @Wikipedia.

Johnjmuller (talk) 16:14, 30 April 2021 (UTC)


 * Hi C.Fred, you've been down this road before . I'm on the verge of taking this to ANI to request at least an article specific block of the registered account and associated Caracas IPs, but now I'm wondering if this is block evasion from long ago. Your thoughts welcome. 2601:188:180:B8E0:65F5:930C:B0B2:CD63 (talk) 13:45, 2 May 2021 (UTC)

Zamora (Pianist) - Birthday
Hi

The date of birth of Zamora was removed from the article, even with the first reference that you published about his full name where it’s clearly written 07-13-1979. So, please fix it.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zamora_(pianist)

His date of birth is also available here:

http://www.alejandrozamora.com/www_eng/bio/bio.htm

Thank you!

Johnjmuller (talk) 16:27, 4 May 2021 (UTC)

Time to revoke talk page access?
Hello, by now İsmail Kendir has made five unblock requests in 24 hours, not one of them sincere (the two latest argue it is disruptive not to unblock him...). This is taking up admin time, in the end we will have had every admin having to decline. In short, the never-ending unblock requests have become disruptive in themselves, especially given how insincere they are. In the meantime, IK continues the aggressive behaviour that got them blocked towards other users. To save us a trip to ANI, could I suggest you (at the latest one to decline, though a new request was again filed right afterwards) put an end to it, of you agree this has become disruptive. Best regards Jeppiz (talk) 18:47, 4 May 2021 (UTC)

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I have an issue with an editor
Hello there! I am having an issue with an editor (RossButsy). They are claiming that I am a suspected block evader when I am not since I am contributing constructively here. They are repeatedly reverting righteous and constructive edits made by me, for example on Captain Tom Moore. CoolGuyRonnie (talk) 20:44, 10 May 2021 (UTC)


 * For those who are curious, CoolGuyRonnie was just checkuser-blocked. —C.Fred (talk) 22:13, 10 May 2021 (UTC)

Speedy deletion nomination of Sour (album)


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Thanks
Thanks for reminding me over at Neil Armstrong that uppercase isn't spelled upper case (or upper-case, which I've used as well), it's a mistake I've often made. The 'male man and female man' is correct, as I was referring to translations of Genesis 5:2, but I should clarify it on the comment, thanks. Randy Kryn (talk) 03:44, 13 May 2021 (UTC)

Stephen Stallings, Jr.
Can you please recheck and approve this page? — Preceding unsigned comment added by KentuckyGolf (talk • contribs) 19:56, 14 May 2021 (UTC)


 * First, please put it at Draft:Stephen Stallings, Jr. instead of crowding it onto the bottom of your user talk page. Second, you must cite reliable sources; you have none currently listed. —C.Fred (talk) 22:20, 14 May 2021 (UTC)

Shinji Kagawa
Please gave the up a warning msg next time when you revert vandalism and or not explained removal. Matthew hk (talk) 02:29, 17 May 2021 (UTC)


 * If it's "one and done" where I think the vandal has moved on and won't be on the IP again, then I don't always warn. —C.Fred (talk) 10:27, 17 May 2021 (UTC)


 * That guy has been blocked recently and if you post msg, then my msg will be level 4 instead of 3. Matthew hk (talk) 19:06, 17 May 2021 (UTC)

Locking Ahmad Zahir's Page?
Hi C.Fred,

Is there any way you could lock the page for Ahmad Zahir? Looks like this user(s) (no username, just 4 different IP addresses and counting) is up to no good again and picking up right where AFGFactChecker left off. I actually work in cybersecurity and I did a reverse lookup of those IPs and they are all from the same region (Verona) in Italy which leads me to believe with a high level of confidence that they are in fact the same person. They keep undoing the edits that have 8 sources backing them up (all of which are machine-readable and machine-translatable). These 8 sources are in 3 different languages and they come from multiple well established journalism and broadcasting organizations. I have come to the conclusion that this is AFGFactChecker because this "anonymous" user is adding the exact same sources and making the exact same changes that he was making a few weeks ago (removing the mention of Pashto language, the fact that Ahmad Zahir sang Pashto songs, adding the same Facebook links as sources, adding the same links youtube "documentaries" as sources, adding the same picture of a page in a book that is not machine-readable/machine-translatable as a source, etc.)

You can clearly tell they have an agenda because one of the edits they keep making is removing Pashto from the line that has Ahmad Zahir's name.


 * 1) What it says: Ahmad Zahir (Pashto/Dari: )
 * 2) What they keep changing it to: Ahmad Zahir (Persian: )

The official languages of the state, per Article 16 of the Constitution of Afghanistan, are Pashto and Dari. It only makes sense to include both languages in the line for his name. Having both eliminates any kind of bias or preference towards one ethnic group/language over the other. These anonymous "editors" do not even have a basic understanding of the country to know that Persian is not even the recognized name of one of the languages spoken in Afghanistan, but rather it is Dari. These editors cannot stand to even have Pashto written next to his name, so that tells you all you need to know about their intentions. They have ZERO interest in editing this page in a factual or encyclopedic manner. For the reasons outlined above and the continued vandalism of the page, I think it makes sense that it should be locked. What are your thoughts and how can we achieve this? WikiEditUsername7 (talk) 17:44, 17 May 2021 (UTC)


 * The page is now semiprotected for a month. —C.Fred (talk) 01:22, 18 May 2021 (UTC)


 * Thank you! WikiEditUsername7 (talk) 01:56, 18 May 2021 (UTC)

List of Hail Mary passes
Hi C. Fred, what would you suggest moving forward for this article. It's been through a few cycles of semi-protection followed by immediate disruptive editing. Do you think longer term or permanent semi would work (and be worth the loss of valuable IP/newbie editing)? Is a rangeblock warranted? Firefangledfeathers (talk) 03:27, 18 May 2021 (UTC)

I went with an EWN report. Would still be interested in your opinion if it’s convenient. Firefangledfeathers (talk) 06:43, 18 May 2021 (UTC)

Sydney Shoemaker
User 24.38.200.90 whom you cautioned previously about reversions on Sydney Shoemaker did it again on May 13; I just restored the original version. Maybe this user should be blocked? I don't know whether that is appropriate, but this has been going on for awhile, and the user does not respond to requests to explain the reasons for the edit or to stop reverting.Philosophy Junkie (talk) 19:10, 18 May 2021 (UTC)
 * Hi C.Fred, I see this user was blocked for a week, but as soon as the block ended, the user came back and did the same reversion again.Philosophy Junkie (talk) 19:12, 18 May 2021 (UTC)

Happy Adminship Anniversary!
 Happy Adminship Anniversary! Have a very happy adminship anniversary on your special day!

Best wishes, CAPTAIN RAJU (T) 21:49, 20 May 2021 (UTC)

Nilai
Hi. How to stop edited yang nonsense? Aidil Alias (talk) 17:26, 22 May 2021 (UTC)

New to Wikipedia
Can you help me I am trying to help a friend begin his Wikipedia page - can you begin one? with information you have critique?

KentuckyGolf (talk) 02:14, 25 May 2021 (UTC)


 * It is a bad idea to create a page for a friend. Because of your conflict of interest, it is hard to make sure you write from a neutral point of view. Make sure that you cite independent reliable sources, like newspapers or ESPN news stories, whenever possible. —C.Fred (talk) 17:02, 25 May 2021 (UTC)

""George Copeland"" listed at Redirects for discussion
A discussion is taking place to address the redirect &. The discussion will occur at Redirects for discussion/Log/2021 May 26 until a consensus is reached, and anyone, including you, is welcome to contribute to the discussion. User:1234qwer1234qwer4 (talk) 20:48, 26 May 2021 (UTC)

LOL
No problem, I won't contact you again. Don't know who you are anyway and you reached out to me. From now on, if you have an issue with an edit of mine, you can simply comment on the associated "talk" page. Thank you. — Preceding unsigned comment added by FU2020 (talk • contribs) 02:00, 28 May 2021 (UTC)

Editors
Hi again, having tried to edit a page (possibly a bit prematurely initially) I had two editors in particular sending fairly abusive talks that have ignored what I was trying to do. One delved to sending 'ha ha ha ha ha' as a reply which took me aback at the level of immaturity. I asked them to reference or footnote a particular piece of information as they weren't happy with me trying to change it and as sources/a link. I understand they may not agree but don't understand how the replies went straight for personal comments like saying I'm not widely read. They have no idea who I am or how much I have read and am in fact a postgraduate so it's disappointing that these sorts of comments are levelled childishly using your service. I'm probably just going to not bother in future if that's what's happens. I thought wikipedia was an open source and required facts to back it up. At the least they could have added 'awaiting quote' or similar. Si noah (talk) 18:03, 2 June 2021 (UTC)
 * Yes, there were some abrasive (not sure they were outright abusive, but that's subjective) remarks left at your talk page. However, I also think they raised reasonable concerns about the substance of your edits. The best way to move forward is to discuss the matter at the article's talk page to see if discussion can lead to a (new) consensus about wording. Also, if there were to develop a pattern of you taking the high road and them reacting inappropriately on the talk page, then there'd be something on which they could be sanctioned. —C.Fred (talk) 18:14, 2 June 2021 (UTC)

Thanks for replying. I'm not sure I take the high road as you say but I'm sure some point come across that way due to the limits of having a stilted discusion. I was trying to be succinct but that can come across in the way you say I'm sure. I found it saddening that the replies came back on that level and just thought a level of profesionalism would be nice. I don't tend to comment via electronic media jn general for exactly that sort of response so was a bit suprised it came via this service. To be honest my initial editing was a bit cackhanded for that reason which is why I created a profile to try and do it properly but it wasn't obvious that using the talk discusion was a route to take when I began and that had obviously irritated them by not doing it. I appreciate your thoughtful replies about it. Si noah (talk) 18:21, 2 June 2021 (UTC)


 * You're welcome! I can't deny that Wikipedia processes can be a little tough to follow for new editors. I have to remind that I've been doing this for 15-ish years, so what's old hand and obvious to me isn't always for new editors. Not every other editor takes that into account. —C.Fred (talk) 18:38, 2 June 2021 (UTC)

Thanks again, maybe they missed that union meeting. I shall bear what you have said on mind when approaching editing / talk on this medium in future. Have a good day Si noah (talk) 18:44, 2 June 2021 (UTC)

Urgent help wanted due to user persistently badgering me
Hi C.Fred! I noticed you were involved early on in the this Afd: Articles_for_deletion/Nike_Dattani. I have so many times told JoelleJay that I'm feeling badgered, and I have even changed my !vote from "keep" to "speedy delete" because not only am I getting overwhelmed with all the replies and pings I was getting, but also if that user is so adamant about deleting the article, the article may benefit from waiting some time until the notability criteria are more "indisputably" passed. However even after changing my !vote to delete, which is what JJ was pushing for, I keep getting badgered further and told something like "if you don't want to be badgered then don't reply to me". The user left some scathing remarks in two responses last night but I didn't reply to them because I was hoping the page could get deleted sooner rather than later, in order for the badgering to stop. I said on their talk page that I would be okay for the article to get deleted (which is what they want), and asked in what I thought was a nice way "if I don't reply to your last two pages, can we call it a night and let the article get deleted?" and now they accused me of HOUNDING (in the AfD discussion rather than elsewhere, which I also thought was off-topic). If you look at what I wrote on their talk page, and the one 8-word comment I left on another AfD where I just said "JoelleJay, be careful not to badger the user", I hardly think you would think this is HOUNDING since it was just one AfD discussion which I happened to come across myself (I participated in a lot of them recently!). I also didn't even know what HOUNDING was at the time. I would very much appreciate if the AfD could be closed now since with my "keep" retracted, it seems everyone is okay with "delete" including me (the article's author). The article can be created later when (and if) the notability becomes undeniable. I would also like the user to stop badgering me. I would just like to move on and not have that user keep investigating every single thing I'm saying. Dr. Universe (talk) 20:19, 27 May 2021 (UTC)


 * Hi C.Fred. I'm feeling harassed by two users (one of them is the one I complained about above, on 27 May) who I feel have been bullying me for about 2 weeks and have been thanking each other on one of their talk pages. I've been losing sleep and having trouble eating and digesting food, for the last 2 weeks. It's affecting other members of my family. Unfortunately these two users are very regular, experienced users, so know how to "get to me" in a way that circumvents looking like policy violations to most people (I unfortunately don't know much about how Wikipedia works because I've been a "casual" user since 2008, having only made a few edits per year: even though I now have 1000+ edits, 500 of them were in the last two weeks). I don't want to use the noticeboards, because I am finding them extremely overwhelming. These 2 users have both "hounded" me on some noticeboards, and I am finding that process extremely bad for my mental health. I have repeatedly told both users: "please be more gentle with me", "go easy on me please", "I don't want to get into another 1-on-1 lengthy debate with you", "Can we please call a truce?" (x2), and they keep on replying again and again and again. I can't "disengage" because these users have made accusations against me publicly. I feel that if these accusations were true, then other Wikipedians would be able to make them (these 2 users don't have to keep initiating everything against me). In 13 years of being on Wikipedia, I'm new to all this drama and it's extremely disturbing to me. These users seem like they're on here full-time, and I can't compete with that because I have other work and other interests and family. My edit history will make it look like I'm on here full-time too, but that's only been in the last 2 weeks because of these users badgering me and sealioning me and digging up edits from years ago (some of them were even commented out using and still they're digging these up from years ago). Are you able to help me please? I told JoellJay to stop WP:Badgering and Sealioning me over and over and over, and recently asked for a truce and offered not to interact with them on AfD discussions if we can both agree not to interact with each other anymore, but they replied to me with more accusations. Dr. Universe (talk) 23:30, 2 June 2021 (UTC)

Jupiter's Legacy
I just want to let you know various ip addresses have continue to do disruptive edits by going against reliable sources and going by their personal preferences. Reliable sources on the article specifically about the cancellation spelled "canceled" with one "l" and "cancellation" with two "l"s. The IP addresses have repeatedly stated to provide reliable sources, but they just refused to look at the reliable sources on the article which are located on both the lead and body. I am pretty sure we are supposed to go by reliable sources and not by personal preferences. In addition, "canceled" with one "l" and "cancellation" with two "l"s are commonly used in American English. — Young Forever (talk)   04:09, 4 June 2021 (UTC)


 * I was ready to revert it, until I noticed there was no red squiggle under "cancelation". Turns out even though American English does typically use two l's, one is acceptable. —C.Fred (talk) 13:25, 4 June 2021 (UTC)
 * I usually just go with reliable sources which I always do anyway. If the reliable sources, spelled "canceled" with one "l" and "cancellation" with two "l"s, I would spell them that way. If reliable sources, spelled then the other way, I would spell them the other way. — Young Forever (talk)   15:39, 4 June 2021 (UTC)

Citation Required
Hi, I was wondering, what to do if citation is not provided by someone and pages are still incomplete like this one : person, what should be done, should the sentence be deleted or kept? Cyanex (talk) 06:24, 4 June 2021 (UTC)


 * What have you found in searching for sources on her? —C.Fred (talk) 13:28, 4 June 2021 (UTC)
 * So far I have found- She is gymnast and international judge for the sports but she isn’t record holder not in 2011 as mentioned and not present holder either. A lot of things are claims, I haven’t found sources yet. I think it’s safe to remove the Guinness world records. Someone else is the record holder for the field.  Couldn’t find any sources  for International judge section, Kusma (other user) had put citation tags, so is there a expiry time before it can be taken down?  — Cyanex (talk) 14:00, 4 June 2021 (UTC)
 * Technically, no expiry time. It's good to give some opportunity, depending on what the claim is and what the article is. The more controversial the claim, the quicker the removal. If the subject is a living person, remove quicker. —C.Fred (talk) 15:32, 4 June 2021 (UTC)
 * it’ll be better if you remove it as I’m fairly new as compared to you, I don’t want to step on wrong shoes or something and get banned. Yes in this case subject is living person — Cyanex (talk) 17:43, 4 June 2021 (UTC)

Brenden Aaronson and Francopelaez27
I noticed the trouble you've been having with Francopelaez27 on Brenden Aaronson's page. I wanted to let you know that I have warned them on their talk page about both disruptive editing (without proper sourcing) and edit warring. I just wanted to make you aware of that in case we need to report the user. I appreciate your help. Anwegmann (talk) 23:09, 7 June 2021 (UTC)

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Ishan87
Could I ask you to consider extending the block for this editor (i.e., general block, for a period at least)? Dozens of unsourced and apparently pulled-from-a-hat changes all over the place, e.g., , , ... -- Elmidae (talk · contribs) 23:43, 9 June 2021 (UTC)

Please unblock my account
Hello, I am editing with the correct information. But MADdutta Editing incorrectly. I am an employee of the Ministry of Finance of India. I know the exact information. Kolkata's GDP is 48 billion US dollars in 2020. Please unblock my ID. Please, please, please, please unblock my ID. Meltry Filok (talk) 12:52, 11 June 2021 (UTC)
 * I have replied on your talk page. Please continue the discussion there, about how to proceed forward as a paid editor in areas where you have a significant conflict of interest. —C.Fred (talk) 12:55, 11 June 2021 (UTC)

Wigan Athletic Players
Will you allow me with the Wigan player pages, I am just making sure they all follow the same format, for my OCD, so just allow it please. I am not vandalising and doing no harm. Thank you, Brew BWRAEFWC (talk) 22:29, 11 June 2021 (UTC)


 * There is no Wigan-specific format. Player articles should be consistent regardless of club, and that includes using the convert template for height (although, admittedly, which units come first can vary based on country). —C.Fred (talk) 22:33, 11 June 2021 (UTC)

Vonny Sweetland page edits
Hi Fred, I added the provisions that I think help establish the page. I wanted you to take a look but am still learning how to tag etc. It's on the articles talk page.

Does this work?

Speckle11b (talk) 21:44, 14 June 2021 (UTC)Speckle11b


 * To ping me in a message, you can use the re template. Look at how I tagged you in this message.
 * Also, since I've acted as an administrator, I'm not able to comment on the content of the page. —C.Fred (talk) 22:11, 14 June 2021 (UTC)


 * I am also helping with this page. There seems to be a lack of willingness to reach consensus with one specific other editor. Please review the pages Talk. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.114.222.94 (talk • contribs) 00:24, 15 Jun 2021 (UTC)


 * Given the appearance of an IP on the scene, I am taking a look. —C.Fred (talk) 01:10, 15 June 2021 (UTC)

Continued issues
Hey CFred - On June 11th you blocked for edit warring at Life Goes On (BTS song) based on a 3RR report I made at 3RN. Unfortunately, fresh off their block, they've returned to the article today restore the disputed edit, twice. Maybe a partial block from the article would work? A review of their contibs shows a propensity to edit war, however, so a partial block may just be pushing the disruption elsewhere. -- Jezebel's Ponyo bons mots 17:58, 15 June 2021 (UTC)


 * Thank you for letting me know. I've left them a message that using the talk page is not optional and that edit warring is unacceptable. IMO, a partial block is now in order on the next revert, regardless of the time between now and it. —C.Fred (talk) 18:04, 15 June 2021 (UTC)
 * Much appreciated.-- Jezebel's Ponyo bons mots 18:05, 15 June 2021 (UTC)
 * Oh well....another revert.-- Jezebel's Ponyo bons mots 18:06, 15 June 2021 (UTC)
 * Actions have consequences. This consequence will last a month. —C.Fred (talk) 18:08, 15 June 2021 (UTC)

GDP of West Bengal
Sir, I am an employee of the Ministry of Finance of India. I know the GDP of West Bengal. As of 2020, the GDP of West Bengal is 143 billion US dollars But some people are making wrong edits to increase their GDP. Correct it quickly. West Bengal's GDP is 143 billion US dollars.. Gopal bosu (talk) 03:13, 16 June 2021 (UTC)
 * Thank you for declaring that you are a paid editor. However, you need to cite a published reliable source for the change. —C.Fred (talk) 03:16, 16 June 2021 (UTC)

Published in local newspapers in India, Besides, according to the website of the government of West Bengal, the total GDP of West Bengal is 143 billion US dollars Joydeep Delo (talk) 03:21, 16 June 2021 (UTC)


 * Thank you for declaring that you are a paid editor. It would help if you provided a link to the website. Also, based on your response, it appears that you may be abusing more than one account. Sockpuppetry is not allowed, especially for the purpose of creating a false appearance of consensus. —C.Fred (talk) 03:23, 16 June 2021 (UTC)

GDP of West Bengal 2
West Bengal's GDP is 143 billion US dollars. The West Bengal government website has detailed information on this. GDP of West Bengal http://www.wbfin.nic.in/new_fin/pages/budget_publication.aspx West Bengal's GDP is 143 billion US dollars. Ronjon Das Gupta (talk) 04:00, 16 June 2021 (UTC)
 * Then put an edit request on the talk page of the article with that citation. An editor who does not have a conflict of interest can review the source and make the change if the source passes muster. —C.Fred (talk) 14:21, 16 June 2021 (UTC)
 * Although I will note two things: first, I could not find the GDP in that document. Second, if the GDP were in the document, why would it be in USD instead of Indian rupees? —C.Fred (talk) 14:26, 16 June 2021 (UTC)

Economy of Kolkata
According to the Indian Ministry of Finance, Kolkata's GDP is $46 billion. Edit it quickly. Meltry Filok (talk) 15:00, 16 June 2021 (UTC)
 * I've blocked all three as being sockpuppets based on their edits and comments here and m talk page. See Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents. CambridgeBayWeather, Uqaqtuq (talk), Huliva 16:41, 16 June 2021 (UTC)

I've blocked all socks at Economy of Kolkata (see Sockpuppet investigations/Blscholljim) so you can probably reduce the protection to semi. Or unprotect and I can semi-protect it as a sock target.-- Jezebel's Ponyo bons mots 17:07, 16 June 2021 (UTC)


 * I've backed it down to as it was before I raised it. (Sometimes I like leaving an article like that unprotected; it acts as a honeypot that lures in socks. :) —C.Fred (talk) 17:35, 16 June 2021 (UTC)

Concerning
What do you think of ? This user has been claiming to the the manager of Booker T (wrestler) and engaged in a dispute over the subject's legal name. That edit seems to be inching uncomfortably close to the border of WP:NLT. --Drm310 🍁 (talk) 15:49, 20 June 2021 (UTC)


 * That was the edit that led me to give them the uw-legal warning. —C.Fred (talk) 16:35, 20 June 2021 (UTC)


 * Ah I see, I didn't notice that before under the June 2021 heading. Hopefully they get the hint. --Drm310 🍁 (talk) 16:57, 20 June 2021 (UTC)

Edit citations
Dear Fred,

https://archive.is/https:/twitter.com/Authoroux/status/* https://disneystarwarsisdumb.wordpress.com/2020/10/04/madeleine-roux-lies-about-her-brave-and-bold-tweets/ https://twitter.com/T7KakashiHatake/status/1312641002016960512

hope this helps. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Tappedoutdr (talk • contribs) 18:35, 20 Jun 2021 (UTC)


 * Not really. The blog is not a reliable source. —C.Fred (talk) 18:37, 20 June 2021 (UTC)

Ok, how about the quoted tweets directly from her own verified twitter account? https://twitter.com/Authoroux/status/796248932992983040?s=19 https://twitter.com/Authoroux/status/1014055398343491586 https://twitter.com/Authoroux/status/1217658115488763905 https://twitter.com/Authoroux/status/796231788167204868 https://twitter.com/Authoroux/status/1068012257898987521?s=20 https://twitter.com/Authoroux/status/796235865848619008 https://twitter.com/Authoroux/status/745044041708888064 https://twitter.com/Authoroux/status/1195433068858707968 — Preceding unsigned comment added by Tappedoutdr (talk • contribs) 18:48, 20 June 2021 (UTC)


 * Adding that someone is "known for hating white men" would require extremely strong sourcing to reliable, independent sources, per WP:BLP. Your personal views of her tweets are not sufficient, nor is some "disneystarwarsisdumb" blog or some person on Twitter. GorillaWarfare (she/her • talk) 18:50, 20 June 2021 (UTC)

Disruptive editor, beauty pageant page repeatedly recreated
Pls see history of pages listed above and recreation today by the disruptive editor that you admonished. - Bri.public (talk) 18:34, 21 June 2021 (UTC)
 * I haven't seen any activity from this user since I message on their user talk, but I will look into these pages, especially the article. —C.Fred (talk) 18:51, 21 June 2021 (UTC)
 * You're going to notice they created an article which was draftified as draft (2) by Discospinster 12:38, 20 June 2021‎, then they recreated the article 13:48, 21 June 2021‎. I don't know about the first draft that was created in April, AGF that they aren't socking. - Bri.public (talk) 18:58, 21 June 2021 (UTC)
 * The newest version of the article does have sources, which is why I didn't jettison it to draft straightaway. —C.Fred (talk) 19:14, 21 June 2021 (UTC)

Vague blockevasion spidey-sensing
Hello. I saw the username note that you placed here and it triggered some recollections. I'm not sure it's enough for a SPI so I would like to raise this with you first and get whatever feedback you want to give. The fact that this new user started using the CSD and AfD process in the MMA area literally five minutes after registering reminded me of this blocked user's obstinacy in MMA discussions. The new username is also worth noting given the previous user's behavior at this RSN discussion. Is this worth noting? Thanks in advance. Eggishorn (talk) (contrib) 20:19, 16 June 2021 (UTC)
 * Yeah, something may be a little fishy here. I hadn't considered the evasion angle, but you may be on to something. May not be worth the SPI, though, because the username block is low-hanging fruit. —C.Fred (talk) 20:23, 16 June 2021 (UTC)
 * Good to know I'm not being overly-critical. Thanks for looking into it. I'll refrain from creating anything that will lead to unnecessary drama. Eggishorn  (talk) (contrib) 20:29, 16 June 2021 (UTC)
 * A perhaps-unnecessary update: I had the right suspicion, but the wrong sockmaster. Hard to keep them all straight. Thanks. Eggishorn  (talk) (contrib) 21:31, 23 June 2021 (UTC)

Rachel Minke prodigy National Anthem and 'other' singer from age 7
Rachel Minke, called 'World Champion Of National Anthem Singers' by one news editor-- Wikipedia Requested More Materials- namely newspaper articles, magazine articles via C.Fred. I submitted those today 6/24/21 as C.Fred requested via yahoo email response to his email, to Wikipedia ATTN: C. FRED. 6/24/2021== signed tigrcate Sources: Scanned original newspaper and/or magazine articles, all including news source 'name', date, and the article.Tigrcate (talk) 00:58, 25 June 2021 (UTC)

Rajasthan Royals
Please if you dont mind can you give 100 % ownership of rajastgan royals beacause the 7% is missing and what about the previous owner Amisha Hathiramani please Nsjkwl (talk) 16:41, 26 June 2021 (UTC)
 * If the club ownership has changed, you need a reliable source for it. —C.Fred (talk) 17:51, 26 June 2021 (UTC)

Help
Hi I created the article with the name Antoine Alexis Perier de Salvert name of this person following all the sources, but someone changed it on Antoine Alexis de Perier de Salvert (false name) with no reason and he refuses to discuss about that before any change. What can I do? Thanks. --Belyny (talk) 15:57, 27 June 2021 (UTC)
 * If they aren't engaging in discussion, you'll need a third opinion. —C.Fred (talk) 16:21, 27 June 2021 (UTC)

Hi C. Fred there is now a sockpuppet Bexmano to relay Savary34 on the article It becomes crazy. --Belyny (talk) 16:56, 27 June 2021 (UTC)


 * Yep, obvious sockpuppet, blocked. The master account blocked for 72 hours. I'll be watching the page; if more edit-warring happens, I'm prepared to semiprotect the page. —C.Fred (talk) 17:10, 27 June 2021 (UTC)

C.Fred, regarding your block of Savary34, you may wish to look at Sockpuppet investigations/Savary34 and Sockpuppet investigations/Caux9/Archive. There are two separate French Wikipedia editors involved here opposing Belyny, and specifically Caux9 has had a CU-confirmed sock puppet here blocked (LouisianaDavis). Bexmano is an obvious puppet, however the master is less obvious.-- Eostrix  (&#x1F989; hoot hoot&#x1F989;) 17:20, 27 June 2021 (UTC)
 * Ignore the above, this was CU confirmed now (the last CU did link Savary34, but this one did)..-- Eostrix  (&#x1F989; hoot hoot&#x1F989;) 04:55, 28 June 2021 (UTC)

Protection of the Article: List of regions of Serbia
Good Day C.Fred,

I want to thank you for Protecting the WP-Article, List of regions of Serbia.

Though I have noticed, that it is only as long as a day. Is it possible to extend it? Because I think the vandaliser will continue with his edits later, again.

Best Regards,

--InNeed95 (talk) 11:02, 29 June 2021 (UTC)


 * It's incremental. If the user behaves after protection expires, no more protection is needed. If not, then there will be a longer duration of protection. —C.Fred (talk) 11:40, 29 June 2021 (UTC)

Hi,

Thanks for the information.

--InNeed95 (talk) 11:51, 29 June 2021 (UTC)

Review the non-unanimous decision of reverting edits in Eckhart's wiki page
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 * 17:44, 24 June 2021‎ C.Fred talk contribs‎ m 29,554 bytes 0‎  Protected "Eckhart Tolle": Edit warring / content dispute ([Edit=Require administrator access] (expires 17:44, 1 July 2021 (UTC)) [Move=Require administrator access] (expires 17:44, 1 July 2021 (UTC)))

The wiki page for Eckhart has references cited to content which are failing the cross-check. Please see the history on the edit and corresponding remarks>> here is a few example. https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Eckhart_Tolle&diff=1030231790&oldid=1030224213 https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Eckhart_Tolle&diff=1030231790&oldid=1030205601 https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Eckhart_Tolle&diff=1030231790&oldid=1030191689

We need to escalate this, as this seems like a concerted effort by a 70$ Million dollar Eckhart Empire to create wiki articles that promote his image. --Cigarlover (talk) 17:57, 24 June 2021 (UTC)


 * I have taken necessary administrator action to prevent disruption to the article due to edit warring. If you're seeking a change to the article, you need to discuss it at Talk:Eckhart Tolle. If there is a clear consensus for the change, I'll be glad to make it. —C.Fred (talk) 17:59, 24 June 2021 (UTC)
 * These articles on ET has references that do not cross-check, why that requires consensus to be removed? Come back and disapprove it before deciding to maintain the status quo.

--Cigarlover (talk) 18:01, 24 June 2021 (UTC)
 * That is a content question. You will need to discuss that at the article talk page. —C.Fred (talk) 18:04, 24 June 2021 (UTC)

Problems with the same user on Cameron Carter-Vickers
I noticed last week, or so, that you had some difficulties with User:StarryNightSky11 edit warring and repeatedly changing the style of English used in Cameron Carter-Vickers's article. Just wanted to make you aware that today I have had similar issues with the same user over the same thing. They repeatedly changed "center-back," in the proper American style, to "centre-back," even reverting my explained correction. I then left a warning on their talk page, which they have now blanked. Because this was the second time this user has disrupted this page, and because this user has a history of edit warring and/or disruptive editing in a relatively short Wikipedia "life," I thought it would be prudent to notify you as an administrator who has had issues with the user. I appreciate any help you can provide. Anwegmann (talk) 04:42, 2 July 2021 (UTC)

July 2021
Hello. Regarding the recent revert you made: you may already know about them, but you might find Template messages/User talk namespace useful. After a revert, these can be placed on the user's talk page to let them know you considered their edit inappropriate, and also direct new users towards the sandbox. They can also be used to give a stern warning to a vandal when they've been previously warned. Thank you. WesGeek (talk) 20:29, 2 July 2021 (UTC)
 * If it's one-and-done vandalism, I don't always warn: the user may be gone and never see the message. On the second vandalism, that's when I start giving warnings. —C.Fred (talk) 20:30, 2 July 2021 (UTC)
 * Good point, I didn't consider that. WesGeek (talk) 20:36, 2 July 2021 (UTC)
 * I've had a little bit of time to refine my style here. :) —C.Fred (talk) 20:38, 2 July 2021 (UTC)

Socks
I saw you blocked User:Hallycom for sockpuppetry. Fwiw, I think are the same editor. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 08:49, 3 July 2021 (UTC)

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Zarch, Iran
Hi, "Zarch" is the correct name of my hometown city in Iran. Currently, there is a page "Zarach, Iran", and another page "Zarch, Iran" which redirects to "Zarach, Iran". I tried to fix this issue by moving the content of "Zarach, Iran" to "Zarch, Iran" and then making the wrong page to redirect to the correct page (maybe removing the incorrect page is even a better idea).

But my changes were reverted. I appreciate redoing them. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Asharifiz (talk • contribs) 15:49, 3 Jul 2021 (UTC)


 * It appears that there are multiple ways to Romanize the name of Zarach/Zarch/Zārch. The spelling "Zarach" is established in the article. If you can show that "Zarch" is the spelling most commonly used in English-language sources, then I'll be glad to help with the move. —C.Fred (talk) 15:57, 3 July 2021 (UTC)

Vandalism on Mengistu biography
Why did you delete my edit and source where I put mengistu as Oromo? Amhara Man 06 (talk) 21:26, 4 July 2021 (UTC)


 * The classification in the lead is for nationality, not ethnicity. Is there an independent nation named Oromo? —C.Fred (talk) 21:49, 4 July 2021 (UTC)

Oh, but that doesn't answer why you changed the part where I put his father's ethnicity? You also deleted the Ayana part of his name? His full name is Mengistu Haile Mariam Ayana Amhara Man 06 (talk) 22:27, 4 July 2021 (UTC)


 * Have you got print sources to verify that? —C.Fred (talk) 22:52, 4 July 2021 (UTC)

Yes, I literally cited the source right next to it, please revert it back Amhara Man 06 (talk) 22:57, 4 July 2021 (UTC)


 * The source for the alleged last part of his name is a video, not in print. —C.Fred (talk) 22:59, 4 July 2021 (UTC)

The video is mengistu's blood brother stating that they are Oromo, it's more reliable than a document Amhara Man 06 (talk) 23:01, 4 July 2021 (UTC)


 * I was asking about the name; it's harder to verify that through captioning. —C.Fred (talk) 23:12, 4 July 2021 (UTC)

Ok than why did you delete the part where I linked the video as a source for Mengistu being oromo? Amhara Man 06 (talk) 23:22, 4 July 2021 (UTC)

Correction of the Maliheh Afnan article
She was born in 1935, there was no israel at that time, she fleed to lebanon as a palestinian refugee in 1949 after the establishment of israel, never been an israeli citizen Stop Israeli Lies (talk) 21:28, 5 July 2021 (UTC)

That's why i corrected the misinformation Stop Israeli Lies (talk) 21:29, 5 July 2021 (UTC)


 * That's why I asked on the article's talk page for a source for her nationality. I've corrected the place of birth to Mandatory Palestine. —C.Fred (talk) 21:29, 5 July 2021 (UTC)

Thanks for protecting the Gwen Berry page
It really doesn't surprise me that people tried to vandalize it, but these people trying to add in these trash articles are the absolute worst. So thanks for doing that. --Historyday01 (talk) 18:20, 7 July 2021 (UTC)

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Non-Normative Relation
Thanks for posting the vandalism warning to their talk page. All of their contributions are the same problem so have gone ahead and nominated them already to Administrator intervention against vandalism. Hopefully they are taken care of soon. - Indefensible (talk) 23:57, 7 July 2021 (UTC)


 * When I warn a user for vandalism, I keep their contributions page open for a while—so if they were to re-offend in the near future, I'd see them and block them. —C.Fred (talk) 23:58, 7 July 2021 (UTC)
 * Good, didn't realize you are an admin. Looks to be a Vandalism-only account but glad you are watching them. - Indefensible (talk) 00:05, 8 July 2021 (UTC)

Orphaned non-free image File:Utah Girls Football League.png
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Help?
Hi. You've helped in reverting the consistent over time deletion vandalism on this page. Might you be able to add it to your watch list? Thanks. https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Eli_Dershwitz&action=history

--2603:7000:2143:8500:9458:8E90:62D1:98FE (talk) 08:12, 11 July 2021 (UTC)

Nashville Christian School
Hello, I have read all sited sources for the Nashville Christian School page. The quote can be found here https://www.newspapers.com/clip/81514399/ The quote you are asserting as "direct" is being taken out of context. Mr. Demunbreun state that he almost didn't take the job as headmaster due to the false assumption that the school was founded on whites fighting desegregation. If you take the time to read the rest of his quote he goes on to say that that was not true and that "Children of all races are welcome" Here March in 1972 NCS publicly shows they have a racially Nondiscriminatory admissions policy. https://tennessean.newspapers.com/clip/81515018/racially-nondiscriminatory-admissions-po/ Here again in '74 https://tennessean.newspapers.com/clip/81516132/ And this sited article never even mentions Nashville Christian School at all https://tennessean.newspapers.com/clip/81517563/ being a black person from Nashville feel this type of garbage race baiting fueled by hate needs to stop. If it is true and backed by legit articles or better yet encyclopedic citations by all means add it. I promise I won't edit something that is properly sourced and cited. This is just pushing false narratives. I will leave you with a quote from Robert F. Kennedy speaking to a crowd in Indianapolis, Indiana April 4, 1968 "Martin Luther King dedicated his life to love and to justice for his fellow human beings, and he died because of that effort.In this difficult day, in this difficult time for the Untied States, it is perhaps well to ask what kind of a nation we are and what direction we want to move in. For those of you who are black--considering the evidence there evidently is that there were white people who responsible--you can be filled with bitterness, with hatred, and a desire for revenge. We can move intuit direction as a country, in great polarization-black people amongst black, white people amongst white, filled with hatred towards one another. Or we can make an effort, a Martin Luther King did, to understand and to comprehend, and to replace that violence, that stain bloodshed that has spread across our land, with an effort to understand with compassion and love. For those of you who are black and are tempted to be filled with hatred and distrust at the injustice of such an act, against all white people, I can only say that I feel in my own heart the same kind feeling. I has a member of my family killed, but he was killed by a white man. But we have to make an effort to understand and to go beyond these rather difficult times. My favorite poet was Aeschylus. He wrote: "In our sleep, pain which cannot forget falls drop by drop upon the heart until, in our own despair, against our will, comes the wisdom through the awful grace of God." Whats we need in this country is not division; what we need is not hatred; what we need in the United States is not violence or lawlessness; but love and wisdom, and compassion toward one another, and a feeling justice toward those who still suffer within our country whether they be white or they be black. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Itztrue (talk • contribs) 01:44, July 16, 2021 (UTC)
 * Same thing posted on user's talk page after two additional article reverts. I've opened an article talk page discussion and asked the user to contribute, but after nine removals with no discussion I'm not all that hopeful. Meters (talk) 03:27, 16 July 2021 (UTC)

Changing my Wikipedia Page
Hola, C. Fred, My apologies for trying to correct some errors on my page. I should have realized I'm not allowed to do that. Anne Montgomery PS I only wanted to update things. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Anne Butler Montgomery (talk • contribs) 21:01, 18 Jul 2021 (UTC)


 * You'll need to request the changes at Talk:Anne Montgomery and provide citations to reliable sources. —C.Fred (talk) 22:08, 18 July 2021 (UTC)

AFD template placed by IP without AFD discussion page
Hello C.Fred, IP user has placed AFD template on Third Oli cabinet once again, without AFD discussion page. ~ Yeti Dai (talk) 13:05, 19 July 2021 (UTC)
 * Since the nomination was not completed, I removed the template. —C.Fred (talk) 17:45, 19 July 2021 (UTC)

Gbenga Daniel's Page
Please which of the sections do you have issues with? I have taken time to update the page with current events. Rather than revert the entire edit, let me know your concern. Opelogbon (talk) 18:58, 20 July 2021 (UTC)


 * My concern is the apparent removal of material and the empty sections. —C.Fred (talk) 19:00, 20 July 2021 (UTC)
 * The materials removed are mostly those that didnt conform with the WP:PUBLICFIGURE. The new additions will be properly referenced. They are mostly public knowledge. I want to finish with the article but taking time to include references. Opelogbon (talk) 19:05, 20 July 2021 (UTC)

Request for Protection of a Article
Good Day C.Fred,

I am not sure how to request a page protection, and since you did protect the Article List of regions of Serbiaonce, I am asking you to do the same for Kosovo and Serbia economic normalization agreements (2020). There is a user trying to state his POV by his continues edits.

Thanks in advance.

--InNeed95 (talk)
 * What type of page protection do you want to request for Kosovo and Serbia economic normalization agreements (2020)? –– F ORMAL D UDE ( talk ) 12:35, 20 July 2021 (UTC)

Good Day @FormalDude,

I am not sure. I was looking forward to the one User:C.Fred used on List of regions of Serbia. I think it was a "autoconfirmed or confirmed access" protection.

Btw, I saw your comment on my talk page. I assume that after you read my request here on the Talk Page of User:C.Fred, you noticed that I am trying to prevent vandalism instead of practicing it. Is this the case? :D

Also, thanks for your will to help.

--InNeed95 (talk) 14:13, 20 July 2021 (UTC)


 * Lists of regions of Serbia was semi-confirmed protected, but it looks like the user causing the vandalism in this case is auto-confirmed, so extended-confirmed protection is likely warranted here. I went ahead and made the request for you here. Feel free to add anything to it.
 * Also yes that was a mistake, I accidentally left the warning on your talk page rather than the vandalizer's, my bad! –– F ORMAL D UDE ( talk ) 14:34, 20 July 2021 (UTC)

@User:FormalDude

Thanks a lot!

--InNeed95 (talk) 16:20, 20 July 2021 (UTC)


 * Happy to help. The result was an indefinite block on the vandal rather than protection for the page. –– F ORMAL D UDE ( talk ) 19:18, 20 July 2021 (UTC)

Jay Munly
The Munly J Munly name verification is from multiple reputable sources. Two forms of government ID have been verified. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2601:282:d00:e710:4146:69d8:c77f:f142 (talk) 12:25, 23 Jul 2021 (UTC)
 * So you allege, but you've yet to indicate where this verification is published. Other editors can't verify your claims if you don't say where they're published. —C.Fred (talk) 12:34, 23 July 2021 (UTC)

Ramachandra Deva I
Sources says Ramachandra Deva was belonged to Yadavamsa of Gopal caste but Founder of this dynasty Govinda Vidyadhara was a Karana. Author Says "it becomes difficult to ascertain whether Bhoi rules are Karanas or Gopalas. So i request you why we mentioned that in Ramachandras life, it can be added only Bhoi dynasty page. Utkala Putra (talk) 03:14, 25 July 2021 (UTC)

Threat
Hey Fred just following up on a message left to me on User_Talk:RossButsy I’ve perceived it as a threat and I was wondering where I could take that too. Thanks RossButsy (talk) 22:30, 25 July 2021 (UTC)


 * Which message? I don't see anything approaching a threat. —C.Fred (talk) 22:48, 25 July 2021 (UTC)

RossButsy (talk) 11:01, 26 July 2021 (UTC)


 * The user was already warned for their incivility; the message is more harassment than threat, IMO, but it's still inappropriate—hence the warning. If they were to do it again, send me a message, and I will address it. —C.Fred (talk) 14:23, 26 July 2021 (UTC)

Yeah fair enough was just wondering. I just took notice of a similar incident on another unrelated user talk page and a block was used in that situation but I think there was a long history of personal attacks and threats there. Thanks Fred. RossButsy (talk) 14:53, 26 July 2021 (UTC)


 * And that's the distinction. If the warning puts an end to it, no further action is necessary. If a user gets warned about something persistently, then the block is necessary to prevent further disruption. —C.Fred (talk) 15:06, 26 July 2021 (UTC)

"Reverted edits by 31.187.7.220 (talk) to last revision by —— Unsourced"

– The article history — Preceding unsigned comment added by 31.187.7.220 (talk) 20:21, 27 July 2021 (UTC)
 * Nothing at all threat-like there. —C.Fred (talk) 21:01, 27 July 2021 (UTC)

Trevor Donovan Date of Birth October 11, 1978
https://www.advocate.com/arts-entertainment/television/2010/10/11/trevor-donovan-90210s-teddy This article was written in 2010. It states: "Now, on a less serious note. I’ve been doing some research. You’re a bit older than most of your cast mates. [Laughs] I am a little bit older. Yeah. Yeah. And I have a birthday on Monday.

You are 32. I’m turning 32, yes." 2010-32 = 1978, not 1980. It even says October 11, 1978 on his IMDB page. https://www.imdb.com/name/nm1769806/ 1980 is incorrect. July 27, 2021 — Preceding unsigned comment added by Hmedlock (talk • contribs) 02:10, 28 Jul 2021 (UTC)
 * When the IP vandalized the page on the 16th, they changed the quotation. That threw me off. Sorry about that. —C.Fred (talk) 02:13, 28 July 2021 (UTC)

@C.Fred No need to apologize. It happens. I am new to all of this, so I value and appreciate your feedback (talk) 09:22, 27 July 2021 (CST)
 * By the way, check your signature. Something is wrong with the display of your name: your name doesn't show, and there's no link for the talk page. —C.Fred (talk) 13:53, 28 July 2021 (UTC)

COI account comments on an AfD?
Hello there, C.Fred! I'd like to ask you about comments from an account with a COI on the subject of an AfD. I nominated a previously deleted and salted article at Articles for deletion/Muslim Students Organisation (3rd nomination) and then noticed this unsigned comment. You warned the user in 2019 regarding conflicts of interest due to the organization's name being a part of the user name. This has been an issue before; User:Msoamu, the creator of the original deleted/salted article, was actually banned in 2014 due to the username COI.

With the above in mind, should the comment be left alone on the AfD, or would it be allowed to strike through the text due to the COI? I've checked the COI and DR policies, but I couldn't find the issue of deletion discussed there. MezzoMezzo (talk) 13:02, 31 July 2021 (UTC)
 * Striking through is a non-issue. I checked the deleted text from Articles for deletion/Muslim Students Organization of India MSO and found it to be so similar that G4 applies. There may also be a copyvio issue or sockpuppetry issue. —C.Fred (talk) 16:00, 31 July 2021 (UTC)
 * Thank you for the response and swift action! I didn't know that old versions of deleted pages could even be viewed. If any sort of funny business about either this page or potential sockpuppetry occurs - and the whole subject area is rife with both - would the more appropriate place be the COI noticeboard or an SPI? MezzoMezzo (talk) 21:20, 31 July 2021 (UTC)
 * First, admins do have the ability to look at deleted pages. Second, I'm thinking based on the nature of the subject, the times involved, and that I don't see any blocks on a quick look, I'd start at the COI noticeboard. —C.Fred (talk) 02:00, 1 August 2021 (UTC)

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Thanks for the reminder
Hey Fred! Thanks for the reminder about using the talk page.155.246.151.38 (talk) 23:03, 1 August 2021 (UTC)

2022 Winter Olympics opening Ceremony
I Was Trying to make a reference for the article but why do you redirect for because it is too soon. 98.186.54.177 (talk) 20:56, 2 August 2021 (UTC)


 * Exactly: It's too soon. If you have sources for information to that level of detail, you need to cite it now. —C.Fred (talk) 20:58, 2 August 2021 (UTC)

What Sources for imformation should i find 98.186.54.177 (talk) 21:04, 2 August 2021 (UTC)


 * So, are you saying that you don't have sources? Where have you been getting the information you've tried to put in the article? —C.Fred (talk) 21:22, 2 August 2021 (UTC)

Kelvin Grove State College
Dear C.Fred, sorry I am a new user and did not realise I had to create a page first. For the time being, could you help me add the new alumnus entry of Sondre Solstad? https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Kelvin_Grove_State_College&oldid=1038175681 I am not Sondre Solstad, but I have obtained his permission. He appears on old school yearbooks that are not digital. Thank you! Sorry for the trouble. — Preceding unsigned comment added by KGSC Historian (talk • contribs) 03:02, 11 Aug 2021 (UTC)
 * Since Sondre Solstad is not notable enough to have an article, he may not be added to a list of notable alumni. —C.Fred (talk) 03:07, 11 August 2021 (UTC)

LEK Reports images are free and are in the Public domain
Hello there i am very happy that you are not a bot, because I am able to share views on why the Images I upload are free. So all the files which I uploaded are free and are in the public domain just because of this one reason their all published by state owned media or government ministries to the public example: I uploaded an image file that's file is this: PrimeMinisterofEthiopiaOffice.jpg, this file of course is the seal and logo of the office of the prime minister of Ethiopia, you could see this same logo on the twitter verified page of the Office of the Prime Minister of Ethiopia here's the link: https://twitter.com/PMEthiopia/photo, So now we have established this image to be a logo of a government entity. And now of course we known that most state entitles with logos are available to the public domain. And also the Information Network and Security Agency is a government entity which has a seal and logo which is this file which you marked as copyrighted, file name: INSA Seal.jpg, the official verified page of this government entity has a logo that is of the file I uploaded proof is this link: https://www.facebook.com/INSA.ETHIOPIA/posts/3867224850043993, the link shows you a verified page of the Name of Information Network Security Agency that has a logo of a file marked copyrighted. This agency being a government agency has a logo and because being a government entity it's photos released to the public are public domain de-facto. I have other with the same legal statues. So because of these reasons I would hope that you remove the Warning sign which allows deletion to public domain photos. Thank you very much i am helping this community by giving images of entities, all doing it under the guidelines and under the law. — Preceding unsigned comment added by LEKReports (talk • contribs) 03:03, 15 Aug 2021 (UTC)


 * How do you interpret that the images are free or in the public domain? The most damning one was the image you took from the prime minister's office, a website which notes an all-rights-reserved license. The burden is on you to conclusive prove that the images are free; unless you are the owner of the image, you cannot conclude that just because the images are on a publicly-accessible website, that anybody who gets the image may use it commercially. —C.Fred (talk) 03:11, 15 August 2021 (UTC)

According to this source: quota on quote: "Seals and devices of the Federal Government, Departments, Bureaus, and Independent Agencies are not in the public domain, and cannot be used for other than official business without specific authorization of the agency involved." [Joint Committee on Printing, United States Congress; emphasis added] link to source: https://www.hhs.gov/web/policies-and-standards/web-policies/logo-contractors/index.html#:~:text=%22Seals%20and%20devices%20of%20the%20Federal%20Government%2C%20Departments%2C,Committee%20on%20Printing%2C%20United%20States%20Congress%3B%20emphasis%20added%5D. There are many Wikipedia commons images depicting Government department logos. Example file name: Seal of the Central Intelligence Agency.svg, and even the article says this quote on quote: This image shows a flag, a coat of arms, a seal or some other official insignia. The use of such symbols is restricted in many countries. These restrictions are independent of the copyright status. Link to the reading here: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Central_Intelligence_Agency#/media/File:Seal_of_the_Central_Intelligence_Agency.svg, Government department seals are in the public domain. You of course can't put a CIA tag on you clothe but in the internet and copyright law it is acceptable. I wanted to add one thing to this: you stated that the most damning one was the image i took from the prime minister's office, and you said that all rights reserved. That's not how it works a sentence could be used from the website some things in this world are de-facto public domain images, they are seen in government departments you restricting the use of this image on this free encyclopedia is not good in my point of view. The department of defense quote on quote said this about the logo of the DOD, Public domain from a copyright standpoint source: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_Department_of_Defense#/media/File:United_States_Department_of_Defense_Seal.svg on permissions detail. Government logos are in the public domain some restrictions may apply but generally they are allowed use in the internet. If you aren't convinced I may email the Office of the Prime Minister to use their image that is already in the public domain to write in Wikipedia. Could you revert my image license i see it wat put in the a wrong category but still its in the public domain but not for advertisements. Thanks.
 * Unless you're asserting that the Ethiopian government is under the control of the United States, that citation you just gave does not apply. —C.Fred (talk) 03:39, 15 August 2021 (UTC)
 * All that being said, the seal of the OPM is an identifying logo, so its use is permissible under a claim of fair use. I have uploaded a new version of the image at File:Seal of the Ethiopian Office of the Prime Minister.jpg and made the necessary disclosures. —C.Fred (talk) 03:45, 15 August 2021 (UTC)

LEK Reports and my conflict
Hello there do not get worried because the LEK Reports and i are managed by the same person. You could confirm this by leaving a message to the LEK Reports and it will be confirmed. The LEK uses many accounts and thus confusion may arise. Thank you for your concern. — Preceding unsigned comment added by TRUTHINCommons (talk • contribs) 21:46, 19 Aug 2021 (UTC)
 * Please review WP:Sockpuppetry and make sure you comply with the requirements. In most cases, one person should only use one account. —C.Fred (talk) 02:41, 20 August 2021 (UTC)

RfC
Hello C.Fred, just to invite you to leave a comment/vote for the second part of the RfC: Talk:Nicki Minaj, as I want more experienced users to comment on an article with severe wp:own issues. Regards. Cornerstonepicker (talk) 02:04, 21 August 2021 (UTC)