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Archive Sent by MediaWiki message delivery (talk) 01:08, 6 January 2023 (UTC)

Speedy deletion nomination of Baba Shiv Ram Ji


A tag has been placed on Baba Shiv Ram Ji requesting that it be speedily deleted from Wikipedia. This has been done under section G12 of the criteria for speedy deletion, because the page appears to be an unambiguous copyright infringement. This page appears to be a direct copy from https://www.allaboutsikhs.com/biographies/gurus-family-members/baba-shiv-ram/. For legal reasons, we cannot accept copyrighted text or images taken from other web sites or printed material, and as a consequence, your addition will most likely be deleted. You may use external websites or other printed material as a source of information, but not as a source of sentences. This part is crucial: say it in your own words. Wikipedia takes copyright violations very seriously and persistent violators will be blocked from editing.

If the external website or image belongs to you, and you want to allow Wikipedia to use the text or image — which means allowing other people to use it for any reason — then you must verify that externally by one of the processes explained at Donating copyrighted materials. The same holds if you are not the owner but have their permission. If you are not the owner and do not have permission, see Requesting copyright permission for how you may obtain it. You might want to look at Wikipedia's copyright policy for more details, or ask a question here.

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 * @M.Ashraf333 Thank you for doing some due diligence on copyvio. I just moved it to the better title and didn't look at the text itself (yet). If it is copyvio, I will go ahead and delete it. You should really leave this message at User talk:CorrectEditorPunjabi, since they added the text in question. —C.Fred (talk) 14:19, 8 January 2023 (UTC)
 * Since neither you nor gave that notification, I have left a message. —C.Fred (talk) 14:23, 8 January 2023 (UTC)
 * I think the user CorrectEditorPunjabi should have sent the delete notification because I have tagged the user, but maybe you had changed the title of this page so it came to you. Anyway, now that you have sent him a notification and the user has been blocked, I will take care of that in the future. M.Ashraf333 (talk) 14:50, 8 January 2023 (UTC)
 * @M.Ashraf333 On the technical side, you must have tagged the page for deletion with Twinkle right as I was moving it. So, the software saw me as the creator of the redirect, not the actual page. It happens every now and again—the price of the useful tools. :) No worries, it all got taken care of. —C.Fred (talk) 17:10, 8 January 2023 (UTC)

Kenichiro Itami information
Regarding your edits at Kenichiro Itami and List of scientific misconduct incidents, you have changed the content to indicate that Nagoya University, and not specifically Itami, was sanctioned. I do not believe that is supported by the cited source. Based upon a machine translation of the JSPS notice starting from section 3 (emphasis mine):


 * Details of misconduct As a result of the investigation by the investigative institution, it was determined that forgery and falsification were carried out in three papers. Details of measures ○ Order for reimbursement of research funds Demand reimbursement of research funds that are directly related to misconduct. ○ Period during which research funds are not granted Yuta Yano (Graduate School of Science, Nagoya University, Former Graduate Student) Reiwa will not grant research funds for seven years from FY4 to FY Reiwa 10. Kenichiro Itami (Professor, Graduate School of Science, Nagoya University) Reiwa will not grant research funds for three years from FY4 to FY Reiwa 6.) Hideto Ito (Associate Professor, Graduate School of Science, Nagoya University) Reiwa will not grant research funds for three years from FY4 to FY Reiwa 6.)

The translation is imperfect but seems clear: Itami (and others) was involved in misconduct, and he (and others) was sanctioned by the funding agency. Note also that this source explicitly identifies the involved graduate student. I will later edit those two pages accordingly, but I wanted to first present this information here, as your edits were clearly done in good faith, you might have additional concerns/comments that can inform my edits going forward, and I thought it best to start this discussion at a single location rather than two different article Talk pages. Thanks. JoJo Anthrax (talk) 16:11, 11 January 2023 (UTC)


 * @JoJo Anthrax I agree with your reading that the finding named Itami as the barred recipient, not the university. As far as naming the grad student, if JSPS makes clear that the students was the one who fabricated the results, then we can remove that the student was unnamed, although I think that BLP guidelines would support leaving the name out, since the student is not notable. (Or, until/unless they become notable later on.) —C.Fred (talk) 16:23, 11 January 2023 (UTC)


 * I agree that the graduate student should not be identified. I will edit that material later today. Thanks for your help. JoJo Anthrax (talk) 16:31, 11 January 2023 (UTC)

Banned smfor telling the truth?
Don't you dare come out and tell me off for outing a [BLP violation] who nearly killed my club. BrisJanner (talk) 03:04, 15 January 2023 (UTC)
 * WP:BLP applies to user talk pages. Do not make such accusations unless they are backed up by published reliable sources. —C.Fred (talk) 03:05, 15 January 2023 (UTC)

It's litterally in the line above his box and there's an entire artical about him killing our club through fraud, he's not a businessman he's a fraudster who should be outed as one, not my problem if you can't handle the truth. BrisJanner (talk) 03:06, 15 January 2023 (UTC)


 * @BrisJanner What "line above his box"? What is the reference that supports the claim of a conviction of fraud? —C.Fred (talk) 03:15, 15 January 2023 (UTC)
 * Also, "accusations of financial mismanagement" are just that: accusations. "Fraudster" indicates a conviction for fraud; there's no mention even of charges in the article. —C.Fred (talk) 03:16, 15 January 2023 (UTC)

Put Plymouth Argyle into £12m debt for his own greed, that's fraud. Cold hard fraud, notice how since he purposely put Argyle into administration the efl have banned him from owning other clubs. BrisJanner (talk) 10:11, 15 January 2023 (UTC)


 * @BrisJanner Fraud has a specific, legal meaning—and there's no evidence that said meaning has been proven. —C.Fred (talk) 14:10, 15 January 2023 (UTC)

Except the fact that it's literally in his article 🥴 BrisJanner (talk) 15:17, 15 January 2023 (UTC)


 * @BrisJanner What reliable source says he has been charged with, tried for, and convicted of fraud? —C.Fred (talk) 16:57, 15 January 2023 (UTC)

Alexander Autographs
I see you undid changes made to the captioned page. Being an owner of Alexander Autographs, I can assure you that the firm is NO LONGER IN EXISTENCE. You seem to conflate Alexander Autographs with Alexander Historical Auctions. The only similarity between the two firms is the fact that the latter purchased the assets of the former and maintains the use of the name "alexautographs" for its website and emails simply for practicality. Ton insinuate that a company that has been closed for eight years sold something earlier THIS year is patently ridiculous. B. Panagopulos/Member/Alexander Historical Auctions LLC 72.45.19.53 (talk) 22:52, 19 January 2023 (UTC)


 * Since you have a conflict of interest, you should not be editing the Alexander Autographs article. —C.Fred (talk) 01:04, 20 January 2023 (UTC)
 * And if your claim is right, there is conflation. The Mengele diaries sales of 2010 and 2011 were by Alexander Historical Auctions, per the cited source. I'll see what independent editors think is the best past forward. —C.Fred (talk) 01:22, 20 January 2023 (UTC)
 * Alexander Historical was not even incorporated until May 13, 2013 - I am looking at the incorporation papers at this moment. In any event, it was ALWAYS been a completely separate corporate entity and has no place being lumped-in with Alexander Autographs, unless Wikipedia would like to undertake forensic accounting of the books of both companies.
 * Additionally, the last entry on the "Alexander Autographs" page, specifically reads: "Widespread shock and disgust occurred when the auction house accepted the commission of Nazi propaganda when no other reputable auction houses would...." is factually incorrect and indeed is nowhere stated in the cited article. There are other untruths on the page as well.
 * This is the problem that arises when vindictive individuals are allowed to alter Wikipedia entries willy-nilly, citing websites that anybody could put up for any reason. And as far as accusations of selling "fake" material are concerned, a single, biased source was cited - a source against whom I have threatened legal action and who thus has "a dog in this fight.". Could I not build my own website, create all kind of fantastic accusations, and then cite them on a Wikipedia page? Why not cite ultra-right or ultra-left wingnut sites as well?
 * This is all patently unfair.
 * B. Panagopulos 72.45.19.53 (talk) 17:26, 20 January 2023 (UTC)
 * Up until this message, there had been no clear challenge raised against the source. I'll take a look at the source and see if it meets the criteria of a reliable source—which is why you could not cite your own website. —C.Fred (talk) 20:24, 20 January 2023 (UTC)
 * "Contentious material about living persons (or, in some cases, recently deceased) that is unsourced or poorly sourced—whether the material is negative, positive, neutral, or just questionable—must be removed immediately and without waiting for discussion." Please read the article and you will see no mention of "widespread shock and disgust". The page was vandalized by whomever added the 2022 entry who chose to add his/her own language. This was done with malicious intent, simply because I choose to sell historical material that some find offensive.
 * The blog writer at https://www.droog-mag.nl/ was until 2017 a poet...only. He has no experience in the trade, does not cite his qualifications, and simply states opinions on his website. These facts are self-evident as a cursory view of his page will readily prove.
 * Thanks for your efforts.
 * Bill 72.45.19.53 (talk) 20:51, 20 January 2023 (UTC)
 * On review, I do agree that the language was sensational and not supported by the Jerusalem Post article. Thus, I rewrote the text to be more neutral. A review of the masthead calls into question the editorial experience of the staff of Droog Magazine; that's why that was removed as a non-reliable source. —C.Fred (talk) 22:20, 20 January 2023 (UTC)
 * Thanks for the changes, Fred...but I'm afraid I fail to see the connection between Bill Panagopulos of Alexander Historical who sold the Hitler watch having anything to do with being on the "Alexander Autographs" page, except for once being an owner of the long-shuttered Alexander Autographs. I know it sounds piddling, but as someone who researches professionally, it simply doesn't, IMHO, belong there. There was also the addition of the sensation auctioneer of "Nazi memorabilia" in the first line of the description of the company, when AA (and AHA) sold MILITARIA as a fraction of their total offerings, and that type of memorabilia is included in the definition of "militaria".
 * Understand that there is a great deal of debate over the propriety of selling anything Third Reich, and with that debate comes the temptation to sabotage the site, I have even received death threats despite my own family's suffering under the Nazis.
 * Finally - Alexander Autographs is still mentioned in the present tense. It is dead, deceased, long gone. It is no longer an entity. All that remains is an email address. For the facts to not be so stated in the Wikipedia page is inaccurate and does not do justice to Wikipedia...which has done me and my business tremendous good as far as research is concerned. Accuracy in these pages is crucial, and they cannot be allowed to be hijacked by others with an agenda. I wonder if you see my point of view. As an educator, I'm sure you can.
 * The page certainly needs updating. I will have sympathetic and unbiased supporters take a look.
 * Respectfully, Bill Evgenios123 (talk) 00:02, 21 January 2023 (UTC)
 * Part of the issue is a lack of recent sources. As I noted in the talk pages, most of the sources do connect the dots between the two companies to some extent. I suppose the other question may be whether either of the two companies is, in fact, a notable company. —C.Fred (talk) 00:36, 21 January 2023 (UTC)
 * Well, as much as I hate to say it, there is nothing "notable" about either company, over and above a sensational story being picked-up by the press and being widely commented upon. Once one story gets traction, the press piles on, as was the case with the Hitler watch. As an auctioneer, of course this is exactly what we want but being an internet phenom does not make one notable. You should also note that the original Wikipedia page was put up by an employee without my knowledge, simply to gain publicity. The total lack of any input on the page for many years shows the complete lack of interest in either company...until the "Hitler watch" was sold and some people got upset.
 * Even if sources connect the dots, the fact that two companies - one defunct - shared a principal, does not join them at the waist. Imagine if every famous individual was mentioned on the Wikipedia page of every company in which he/she held a director's position or ownership interest. The fact remains that Alexander Autographs no longer exists as far as the US government is concerned, and I no longer have any involvement with it.
 * Reminder: "An organization is not notable merely because a notable person or event was associated with it. A corporation is not notable merely because it owns notable subsidiaries. The organization or corporation itself must have been discussed in reliable independent sources for it to be considered notable. Examples: If a notable person buys a restaurant, the restaurant does not "inherit" notability from its owner. If a notable person joins an organization, the organization does not "inherit" notability from its member." This from Wikipedia.
 * Respectfully, Bill Evgenios123 (talk) 01:17, 21 January 2023 (UTC)

Origin of hindukush word
Greek kings like Alexander called it Caucasus(kush) Indicus(hindu), which is the Greek pronunciation of Hindu Kush. The sanskrit word anKush also means to stop, it used to stop and turn the Indus river, then it was called Sindhu Ankush, which became Hindu Kush. अंकुश (Ankush) = (english meaning -Curb)

Ankush के पर्यायवाची: प्रतिबंध, रोक, नियंत्रण, संयम, निरोध!

Sindhu = indus river!

Sindhu ankush = Hindu kush = indicus caucasus! 103.206.177.49 (talk) 13:09, 22 January 2023 (UTC)

East Chapel Hill High School, and the Kang Student movement
I noticed you undid my change to the East Chapel Hill High School Wikipedia page. I began to write a section about the Kang Student Movement and you removed it because it had "no independent coverage or evidence of significance," as a student at the school currently, the movement is significant. I can tell you have already graduated, however; I am a current student who was writing about this movement. I can understand why you undid my edit, there's seemingly no local news about it, and currently there is no evidence of significance.

I am working on this section in my spare time and it is a work in progress. Currently there isn't much information, but I was going to update it later, the movement has been covered by the school newspaper,(https://echhsechoonline.com/kang-student-movement-takes-hold/) which I have read because I currently attend the school. People at the school can also agree that it is an influential movement that has made change. Because of the movement, library hours have been extended after school, there is more staff/student information transparency, an increased student government fund from the PTSA, and a policy that lets students in study hall study in the library.

I just wanted to let you know I understand from the surface it looks like useless information on the page, but once it is complete I believe it will be noteworthy. I argue that most students who attend the school are aware of the movement. It is an important movement in the schools history, proving that the students do indeed have a voice, and this is important for future students to understand, representation.

For now, I will continue to elaborate on the previous section in a google doc, and not add it to Wikipedia till it is more polished. I just want to let you know there are no hard feelings or nothing, and I just want to let you know not to delete it when I am finished and I add a better version.

Thanks, Chunkysilas Chunkysilas (talk) 05:37, 26 January 2023 (UTC)

Weston McKennie
Extensive ongoing vandalism of Weston McKennie by Leeds fans. 129.232.21.249 (talk) 12:10, 26 January 2023 (UTC)

Ali Dee Theodore
hi I am Ali Dee Theodore and I'm trying to get "out dated" stuff of my wiki. I also am interested in updating it as its info is super outdated. Can you help? 100.33.37.138 (talk) 14:40, 27 January 2023 (UTC)


 * You'll need to provide published reliable sources with the updated information. —C.Fred (talk) 17:43, 27 January 2023 (UTC)
 * And it is essential to provide reliable sources, because the article is so sorely lacking sources that I have proposed that it be deleted. —C.Fred (talk) 17:48, 27 January 2023 (UTC)

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Archive Sent by MediaWiki message delivery (talk) 01:37, 2 February 2023 (UTC)

Mary Reilly (advocate)
Hi C. Fred - thank you for engaging! I like Mary Reilly (advocate) because as I was doing research on the subject, it seems a lot of nuns share the name so I feel like advocate helps distinguish this biography. I understand if you move this to her talk page, I was having trouble tagging you there. Thanks! -Elttaruuu (talk) 05:37, 2 February 2023 (UTC)

RALIE G (Rapper)
Lately I've been adding reliable sources on this article. I don't think it should be deleted from Wikipedia. Please remove deletion of articles tag.

Thanks Herosaal (talk) 17:31, 2 February 2023 (UTC)


 * @Herosaal First, I'm not sure you have been adding reliable sources; I've seen a lot of primary sources go in. Second, the AfD tag doesn't get removed. Instead, an administrator will review the discussion after the discussion period (normally seven days). —C.Fred (talk) 00:12, 3 February 2023 (UTC)

Mary Reilly (advocate)
Hi C. Fred - thank you for engaging! I like Mary Reilly (advocate) because as I was doing research on the subject, it seems a lot of nuns share the name so I feel like advocate helps distinguish this biography. I understand if you move this to her talk page, I was having trouble tagging you there. Thanks! -Elttaruuu (talk) 12:42, 3 February 2023 (UTC)

Steven Bartlett (businessman)
You reverted the changes I made as you stated "We don't speculate like this on Wikipedia" - Can I clarify what part of the information I added is speculation? This information is in the public domain and there are company fillings etc. CreationUK (talk) 09:06, 8 February 2023 (UTC)


 * @CreationUK My revert was a simple matter of first-name vandalism. You'll need to ask for more about that revert. —C.Fred (talk) 12:30, 8 February 2023 (UTC)
 * That said, a look at your edit shows that it goes well beyond what's cited in the BBC news story, so the text you added does appear to be original research and inappropriate for Wikipedia. —C.Fred (talk) 12:32, 8 February 2023 (UTC)
 * Thanks for the ping ., I agree with what C.Fred has said above. The edit introduced speculation about the subject's net worth, including the statement "Steven Barlett's claim that he built a £300 million company is therefor untrue". This may or may not be the case—I have literally no idea—but it was unsourced, and whenever there are "contentious" statements about living people in an article, they need to be backed up by inline citations or else they are removed. On Wikipedia we are not here to say whether we personally think that article subjects are telling the truth, but rather to report on what the reliable sources have said. If you can find a reference to a reliable source that demonstrates what you are saying, then perhaps that source's summary of the subject's net worth could be included in the article. Thanks, /wiae /tlk  12:39, 8 February 2023 (UTC)

St. Vartan Park
Just to let you know, the IP did it again. You might be considered involved now, but just thought to let you know. Thanks!  Yoshi24517 ( Chat ) ( Online ) 05:52, 22 February 2023 (UTC)


 * @Yoshi24517 I've responded on the IP's talk page. Their last edits were after I went to sleep. I'm on that cusp of involved, since my comment included a statement that I don't consider the material promotional—however, it's fair to say that any reasonable admin would block for any further reverts with no talk page discussion. —C.Fred (talk) 12:53, 22 February 2023 (UTC)


 * We shall see what happens. This should be interesting if the IP does it again. Yoshi24517 (mobile) (talk) 14:01, 22 February 2023 (UTC)

Pristina
Hello, C.Fred. Hope you're well. I've raised some issues at Talk:Pristina. The 1913 source they are reverting back to the article contradicts the main body of the article and published archival sources - all of which show that this was a village during medieval times. They also don't seem to be aware that Vinča culture is not a Paleolithic formation, but a Neolithic one. It is understandable that a lot of people might not know such terms, but this is the reason why we have wikilinks which explain which is which.--Maleschreiber (talk) 19:53, 22 February 2023 (UTC)

Email
Hey, just want to say I sent you an email a minute or so ago. Thanks! ~ Pbritti (talk) 20:09, 22 February 2023 (UTC)

User:Eric Carpenter and stubs
Hi C.Fred. I saw you posted something about Draft:The Last Party: Studio 54, Disco and the Culture of the Night on its creator's user talk page; so, I thought I'd ask you about something related to this user. I came across one of this user while checking on a non-free image being used in one of the it. It seems that this earler has recently created a number of single sentence minimally sourced stubs in the mainspace, some of which have ended up being draftified. The user also always seems to post something on the article's talk page (e.g. Talk:Satan's Wife) asking others to improve and expand the article before moving on to create another similar stub. I thought about suggesting to this user that they seek assistance (e.g. from a WikiProject) and try to develop these stubs a bit more before moving them to the mainspace, but was trying to figure out the best way to do that and not discourage the user from editing. Any ideas or suggestions on how to bring this to their attention other then simply asking them to start using WP:AFC instead of creating these directly in the mainspace. -- Marchjuly (talk) 06:39, 27 February 2023 (UTC)


 * @Marchjuly Yeah, this is a tricky one. On the one hand, I don't want to discourage an editor who could grow into a productive editor. On the other hand, there's a lot of growth that would be required. This user is very close to a block from File: space, IMO, because of uploading non-free images of living people to use in their article infoboxes. I don't think it's quite a WP:CIR case, but they definitely need a lot of guidance. —C.Fred (talk) 12:38, 27 February 2023 (UTC)
 * I'm all for assuming good faith, but it's really hard for me to understand something like their uploading of File:Scott Covert.jpg (sourced to IMDb). A different non-free file with the same name uploaded by this user was deleted per WP:F7 earlier today by, but then this uploader uploads a new non-free file an hour later trying to justify it for the same reasons as the one that was deleted. Multiple warnings have been added to this user's user talk page about these kinds of files; so, at this point, they seem to have moved well into WP:IDHT territory and perhaps no longer should be given the benefit of the doubt. -- Marchjuly (talk) 02:11, 28 February 2023 (UTC)

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Archive Sent by MediaWiki message delivery (talk) 13:18, 1 March 2023 (UTC)

Shadow of a Doubt "spoiler" edit
Re: Shadow of a Doubt

Different IP user here, but there is a "plot" section specifically for, er, the plot & related spoilers. Bit of an amateur here, so I may have this wrong and am possibly taking to the wrong user...

Mention this as I stumbled across the article on "Shadow of a Doubt" today and a loose plot and the ending was included in the introductory section. A kind IP user had removed / fixed this, and it seems you'd mildly admonished them for it and reverted the article, re-adding the spoiler part. Actually thousands upon thousands of Wikipedia articles on films enclose in, or confine this "spoiler" information to the "Plot" section. A brief summary of the film is often included in the introductory part of film articles, but in the very vast majority of articles, the actual "ending" and plot is located in the, er, plot section. A conclusion one might reach is that, A. You didn't know this, or B. You did, but are making random article style decisions? Cheers 2A02:C7F:DCF3:3000:C5EF:E05A:CB73:209 (talk) 09:06, 2 March 2023 (UTC)


 * Or C. The IP had repeated the same edit which was previously reverted by another editor, so it was an easy call on behaviour with no additional explanation from the IP. —C.Fred (talk) 12:39, 2 March 2023 (UTC)
 * Of course IP editors (I'm with Groucho on joining clubs) are just as valuable as signed-up users. I'm a different IP editor to the others that have contributed, but evidently I feel the same about this odd placement of the ending of the film in the wrong section.
 * Incidentally, sorry, when I initially said "Different IP user here" I meant that I had edited the article very recently, but I was not the IP user from before that had evidently had the same feeling as me (that the ending was in the wrong place in the article).
 * Respectfully, when you admonished that IP editor at their talk page https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:2001:8003:200D:B00:4DCA:C07A:10E3:9290 and said, "giving a section a title such as "Plot" or "Ending" is considered sufficient warning to the reader that the text will contain revelations about the narrative", you clearly missed the irony that the very edit you were discussing was outside those sections... Cant speak for that other IP editor, but that was the whole point of my edit: the ending is mentioned elsewhere in the article, and is already very easy to find.
 * I've explained with more detail here:
 * https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:CapnZapp#%22Shadow_of_a_Doubt%22_edit
 * Oh, hang on, somebody has just fixed the article. But for how long? : ) Cheers 2A02:C7F:DCF3:3000:B169:CEF6:D268:AF47 (talk) 20:01, 2 March 2023 (UTC)

2601:601::/32
Hi, I noticed that in Nov 2022 you blocked this IP range from editing certain articles for vandalism on those articles. The vandal on that IP range looks to be now editing White ethnic through this IP, so you might want to update the block and add that too. AP 499D25 (talk) 08:42, 3 March 2023 (UTC)

2026 FIFA World Cup Timezones
I guess we can wait until the start of the tournament to place time zones down (late May 2026-June 2026). After all my state (California) could change DST laws and thus it would be PST and not PDT. 159.115.9.41 (talk) 21:21, 6 March 2023 (UTC)

Your partial block of 2601:601:0:0:0:0:0:0/32
You might want to see which part(s) of the range is responsible for recent redirect removals and block them rather than expanding the partial block. –Skywatcher68 (talk) 19:53, 16 March 2023 (UTC)

BakuBoy & Austin Blake
Hi there, I noticed last time you have deleted page BakuBoy & Austin Blake. Please review it and help to restore artists page. I will provide all the resources. Donandres99 (talk) 17:40, 19 March 2023 (UTC)


 * @Donandres99 You'll want to start a draft page first. If Draft:BakuBoy & Austin Blake can demonstrate their notability and address the concerns raised at WP:Articles for deletion/BakuBoy & Austin Blake, then I'll assist in moving the page to mainspace. —C.Fred (talk) 18:30, 19 March 2023 (UTC)
 * Thanks a lot! I'll create a draft and will let you know. Donandres99 (talk) 18:31, 19 March 2023 (UTC)

Raj Ripa
Raj Ripa is a Bangladeshi film actress. Actress information has been updated as per the source. Please see you. Md Abu Sayeed Hossan (talk) 19:11, 19 March 2023 (UTC)


 * @Md Abu Sayeed Hossan You cannot abort the deletion discussion by deleting either the tag or the discussion. —C.Fred (talk) 19:51, 19 March 2023 (UTC)

March 2023
Hello! I'm Lukewarmbeer. Your recent edit(s) to the page Moira Deeming appear to have added incorrect information, so they have been reverted for now. If you believe the information you added was correct, please cite a reliable source or discuss your change on the article's talk page. If you would like to experiment, please use your sandbox. If you think I made a mistake, or if you have any questions, you can leave me a message on my talk page. Thank you. Lukewarmbeer (talk) 09:17, 23 March 2023 (UTC)


 * Speaking in favour of women's 'sex based rights' isn't anti trans - or perhaps it is and I'm not getting it.
 * Can you explain to me please.
 * Many thanks. Lukewarmbeer (talk) 09:21, 23 March 2023 (UTC)
 * @Lukewarmbeer At the least, calling it "sex based rights" is original research, since the three cited sources all call it an "anti-trans rights rally". At the worst, it is sanctionable action on a gender-related topic. —C.Fred (talk) 11:42, 23 March 2023 (UTC)
 * I think I see where you are coming from - but thanks for taking the time to reply.
 * Keep an eye on me. Lukewarmbeer (talk) 13:45, 23 March 2023 (UTC)
 * Looks like I am still getting myself in hot water in the Deeming article. Are you up to having a look at my attempts to 'clarify' the Nazi references which have been reverted a couple of times?
 * I think I'm right - but that's probably human nature.
 * I put something on the Deeming talk page earlier and after the 1st revert on User talk:Pokelova
 * I'm fairly new to this and a guiding hand is always welcome.
 * Many thanks if you have the time. Lukewarmbeer (talk) 15:36, 23 March 2023 (UTC)
 * Not to worry now. I've thrown in the towel on this. Lukewarmbeer (talk) 18:25, 23 March 2023 (UTC)

Ma Pani Doctor
Hello sir @C.Fred. I have added a new image which I just took. I wonder if this is alright. EEverest 8848 (talk) 03:29, 25 March 2023 (UTC)


 * @EEverest 8848 No, it is not. This is also a copyright violation. You cannot generate new copyright by taking a picture of a two-dimensional artwork, like a book cover. However, if you tell me where you found the book cover online, then I can upload it to the English Wikipedia as a non-free image. —C.Fred (talk) 13:13, 25 March 2023 (UTC)
 * @C.Fred Sir this image is recently clicked by me from the hardcopy of the book which I have. There is no copyright issue of this image EEverest 8848 (talk) 14:50, 25 March 2023 (UTC)
 * https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Ma_Pani_Doctor_book_cover.jpg
 * Sir please find the link of the image. EEverest 8848 (talk) 14:54, 25 March 2023 (UTC)
 * @EEverest 8848 Where can I verify that I am free to download, print, and resell for profit this book? —C.Fred (talk) 15:08, 25 March 2023 (UTC)
 * Unless you have created the book, you do not have authority to give away the cover image. Taking a photo or scanning a cover of a book does not give you copyright to the book cover, because it is just a reproduction of the cover. —C.Fred (talk) 15:09, 25 March 2023 (UTC)
 * @C.Fred Sir This is what I found while searching
 * https://www.muncha.com/52017/I/MA-PANI-DOCTOR
 * One more query I have, Can we editors use images from social media of concerned subject/article? EEverest 8848 (talk) 16:10, 25 March 2023 (UTC)
 * @EEverest 8848 The simple answer is no, we cannot. The images would be subject to the non-free content criteria, so they are usable under very limited circumstances. —C.Fred (talk) 19:58, 25 March 2023 (UTC)
 * Thank you 🙏 EEverest 8848 (talk) 01:31, 26 March 2023 (UTC)

I saw that you mentioned AFD has decided to merge the Adobe Photoshop Elements and Adobe Photoshop pages. I don't know who provided this wrong information. Please let me know how to get it corrected? Also, I was not part of any AfD discussion so feel free to invite me next time so that I can provide accurate information around Adobe Photoshop Elements. Here are two product pages for your reference: https://www.adobe.com/products/photoshop-elements.html https://www.adobe.com/products/photoshop.html Sharmavikas2k (talk) 12:05, 27 March 2023 (UTC)


 * @Sharmavikas2k The discussion was open for a full week, and there was a notice on the article. Your failure to notice it is not our problem. See WP:Deletion review if you think there was a technical issue with the close, but talk with the closing admin,, first. —C.Fred (talk) 12:06, 27 March 2023 (UTC)
 * Sure, let me connect with https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Liz. Sharmavikas2k (talk) 12:13, 27 March 2023 (UTC)

Change Chris Brown page image!
Hellooooo! Have you checked out the image of Chris Brown i want you to replace the existing one on his page with? Once agen it is titled "Heartbreak Breezy.jpg", and it is available on Wikimedia Commons! Give me a reply of your decision when you read this ok! BangGut (talk) 01:45, 2 April 2023 (UTC)


 * @BangGut There needs to be a wider community consensus to change the image. It isn't a matter for just one editor's call. —C.Fred (talk) 01:51, 2 April 2023 (UTC)
 * U seem the most reasonable out of all of them. That is why i'm engaging you. U were the only one to reply to me on this matter. The other admins seemed to have disappear off the face of the planet. 😳 BangGut (talk) 02:05, 2 April 2023 (UTC)
 * @BangGut Again, this isn't a matter for admins. This is a matter for editors, although in this case, it should probably be extended-confirmed editors. —C.Fred (talk) 02:08, 2 April 2023 (UTC)
 * So how do i become a so-called "confirmed editor"? BangGut (talk) 02:20, 2 April 2023 (UTC)
 * @BangGut Experience. —C.Fred (talk) 02:59, 2 April 2023 (UTC)
 * I love you so much! 😳 BangGut (talk) 03:02, 2 April 2023 (UTC)

Rafsan Shahriar
Re: Rafsan Shahriar. This article has been deleted and recreated 4 times now.. The author's username and metadata for the image indicate the subject and article author may be the same and also the same as blocked. IPs are now removing deletion tags.  // Timothy :: talk  06:20, 2 April 2023 (UTC)

Manasirfan - Rollback of edit from 2400:adc1:459:ba00:89d7:d1c:43d4:4686
In the page for Thirteenth Amendment to the Constitution of Pakistan, you reverted all the changes I made a few hours ago. Can you please tell me why you reverted the changes? Note: I had made my changes not through this username but rather anonymously. Manasirfan (talk) 12:09, 2 April 2023 (UTC)


 * @Manasirfan The broken formatting was a big reason for it. —C.Fred (talk) 13:08, 2 April 2023 (UTC)
 * Can you explain more? I was just adding on to the original format and did not try to change the format. Manasirfan (talk) 13:14, 2 April 2023 (UTC)
 * @Manasirfan Taking a closer look: you failed to attribute the description of Article 58(2)(b) as "infamous"; a description like that should not be made in Wikipedia's voice. That, coupled with the volume of changes from a new/unregistered editor, raised too many red flags to let the edit stand without discussion at the article's talk page. —C.Fred (talk) 13:19, 2 April 2023 (UTC)
 * I can provide several references from prominent newspaper and books using the word "infamous" for Article 58(2)(b) if you want? Most people who are aware of past 4 decades of politics in Pakistan, consider Article 58(2)(b) to be highly controversial. So perhaps, rather than infamous, I can replace it with controversial. Manasirfan (talk) 13:38, 2 April 2023 (UTC)
 * Regarding the volume, I am sorry if I made too many changes but the original article was in really bad shape. If you look at the original version, you will not see many citations and the commentary is high partisan in nature. Manasirfan (talk) 13:41, 2 April 2023 (UTC)

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Archive Sent by MediaWiki message delivery (talk) 17:10, 4 April 2023 (UTC)

About "Middle Belt" Nigeria.
I recently observed that you reverted my edit on the page Middle Belt. The reason you gave is that I added sentences to imply that the topic is about people and not related to geography. I am indeed correct.

I am a Nigerian and therefore at a better position to contribute to the page. I advise that before taking actions on topics like that, you should make a simple research about the topic or consult other Nigerian editors. There is no geographical region in Nigeria called the "Middle Belt". It is a cultural term (refer to previous versions of the page before series of vandalisms). For a beginner, Nigeria's Constitution divided the country into 36 states and a Federal Territory. It also divided the states into 6 zones which are called Geopolitical zones of Nigeria. The people who identify with the term cut across the geographical zones. It is not a geographical identity but an ethnoreligious identity. For the delimitation of Nigeria, you can check the main Nigeria page.

In addition, I created a whole section which explain all of these. I cited divergent sources to add balance to the narrative.

In a nutshell, I am right on the geography/people debate. This is not a point of contention at all (and nobody ever contend that). The point of contention is the expanse of the identity. I did justice to the section I created because I cited all the divergent views.

I am reverting back the former version. You can invite other Nigerian editors and raise any other contention you may be having. Thanks Objectivescholar (talk) 16:08, 6 April 2023 (UTC)


 * @Objectivescholar Please do not revert back. Your intro reads: "The Middle Belt (also spelt Middle-Belt) is a term used in Mainstream media to refer to Northern Nigeria's Christians A belt region stretching across central Nigeria longitudinally and forming a transition zone between Northern and Southern Nigeria." This is a confusing run-on of a sentence. Does it mean the Middle Belt is two things? Does it mean the MB is the Christians in that region? Since the body of the article goes on to talk about just the geography, the addition of the Christians makes no sense in context. —C.Fred (talk) 16:12, 6 April 2023 (UTC)
 * Yes. You are right about the term being used to refer to Northern Nigeria's Christians. It is an ethnoreligious identity which means Christian ethnic minorities excluding the dominant Hausa–Fulani and including other Christian minorities in other regions of North East and North West. The ethnic groupings on the table already perfectly showed that. The article also goes ahead to give the explanation. For a non Nigerian, this might be confusing anyway.
 * The "geography" there just gave the distribution of the Christian ethnic groups across the North. As you can see it cut across various regions. Objectivescholar (talk) 16:24, 6 April 2023 (UTC)
 * That said, I see where you're going with the edit. I've added a paragraph to the end of the introduction to make the point that rather than a strictly geographical definition, some people see it is religious/cultural, i.e., a grouping of non-Hausa Christians. —C.Fred (talk) 16:20, 6 April 2023 (UTC)
 * "Some scholars argue that rather than a simple geographic definition, the Middle Belt represents a religious and cultural amalgamation of non-Hausa Christians"
 * Wrong. Hausa Christians are part of the cultural amalgamation, that is why it is an ethnoreligious identity.  Objectivescholar (talk) 16:40, 6 April 2023 (UTC)
 * @Objectivescholar That is not what the source you cited says. You'll need to find additional sources that include Hausa Christians in the grouping. —C.Fred (talk) 16:43, 6 April 2023 (UTC)
 * Okay we can finally arrive at this definition "Christian ethnic minorities in all the geographical zones of Northern Nigeria". Fair enough? Objectivescholar (talk) 16:48, 6 April 2023 (UTC)
 * That's still not the commonly accepted definition of the Middle Belt. The geographical definition predominates, and you have had a long history of biased edits on ethnicity. The page requires great improvements to add the cultural and religious elements of the term (including the prevailing opinion of indigenous Muslims), but you have shown that you cannot be objective in this subject matter. Watercheetah99 (talk) 19:21, 6 April 2023 (UTC)

COI on Vaco Baissac page
Hi @C.Fred you recently added a COI tag my page Vaco Baissac I have gone through the article and cannot see where any conflict of interest or anything that does not portray a non neutral point of view. All text is referenced from independent sources. Lucsb (talk) 03:00, 7 April 2023 (UTC)


 * @Lucsb There is an intrinsic conflict of interest because you wrote the article and you are related to the subject. —C.Fred (talk) 03:17, 7 April 2023 (UTC)
 * Ok I understand that but people have been looking his representation on Wikipedia and there was none. I did base the whole article on facts and excerpts from al the references and kept the point of view very neutral. Will the tag just be there for ever then? Lucsb (talk) 03:26, 7 April 2023 (UTC)
 * @Lucsb It will be there until independent editors have reviewed the article and its tone. —C.Fred (talk) 12:38, 7 April 2023 (UTC)

A kitten for you!
I did not know that some admins also enjoy minor copyediting. You really did a nice job by copyediting the article about Mirza. Please take this e-kitten as a token of appreciation.

─ The Aafī   (talk)  23:22, 8 April 2023 (UTC) 

Creating new page for Dick Nephew
Submitting a new page for former NASCAR driver Dick Nephew with proper references. This is a courtesy notice as you deleted a similar page with this title on 11 December 2016(G12: Unambiguous copyright infringement of http://www.superdirtcarseries.com/news/features/39-2008-feature-stories/166-dick-nephew-voted-into-northeast-modified-hall-of-fame) Kyle4344 (talk) 22:46, 10 April 2023 (UTC)

Reporting user
Can you help me create a thread in the Administrators' noticeboard about User:Nestofbirdnests please? I'm still pretty new to this. Hopefully he's blocked, because he was harassing and undoing a lot of my edits too. Fdom5997 (talk) 02:54, 14 April 2023 (UTC)


 * A lot of your edits? Or 1 edit for Arjuna, which puts a major story spoiler in the 3rd sentence of the first paragraph?
 * If I go around Wikipedia adding spoilers to the first paragraph of various pages, would that be serving an encyclopedia purpose?
 * Perhaps spoilers should at least be placed somewhere in the middle of the page in an appropriate chronological place. Perhaps major story spoilers should be somewhere on the page besides the 3rd sentence of the first paragraph. MichaelJHans (talk) 03:24, 14 April 2023 (UTC)
 * @MichaelJHans Please don't conflate the two situations. The user Fdom5997 is talking about has been indefinitely blocked because of harassment and gross incivility—and neither that user nor Fdom5997 has, as far as I know, edited Arjuna. —C.Fred (talk) 15:53, 14 April 2023 (UTC)

CFred, FYI the article Arjuna (and the related one Karna) have been targets of rival and really dedicated sock farms for over a decade (see SPIs KINGPORUS, MKS Harsha, Arjunakrishna90 etc). At times some experienced editors, including myself, have attempted a clean-up but eventually given up in face of the onslaught. Karna is indef ECPed as a result, and IMO Arjuna needs to be too. Saw you, et al play whack-a-mole at the article, so thought I'd drop you this background note. Cheers. Abecedare (talk) 04:03, 14 April 2023 (UTC)


 * I am reading Bhagavad Gita. I did a google search for Arjuna. I clicked the Wikipedia page for Arjuna. A major spoiler was revealed in the 3rd sentence of the 1st paragraph.
 * I understand that spoilers are allowed on Wikipedia, but should they really be in the 3rd sentence of the very first paragraph? Is that courteous and thoughtful? Encyclopedia Britannica doesn't do that. I looked on numerous other encyclopedia pages, and I haven't found one other page that thinks it's appropriate to put a major spoiler of a story in the 3rd sentence of the first paragraph. It seems common sense that a spoiler shouldn't be in the third sentence of the first paragraph.
 * This seems like common sense, like not ruining someone's surprise birthday party.
 * By the logic justifying the present condition of the Arjuna page, then by these alleged rules and this alleged logic, it should be 100% acceptable for me to go across Wikipedia, and insert the spoiler of every story or movie or book into the 3rd sentence of the first paragraph on every page. Clearly, that would be inappropriate. So why is it appropriate on the Wikipedia page for Arjuna? I'm not even making the case that the information shouldn't be present on the page. I'm making the extremely reasonable case that the placement of the information is borderline malicious and does a disservice to anyone reading Bhagavad Gita who is just curious, and does a google search on this character.
 * I am trying to preserve the value and experience of the reader who curiously does an internet search on a character. So, that others don't have to experience a story spoiler before finishing the book, which is what happened to me.
 * Putting this information in the 3rd sentence of the paragraph seems to go beyond the scope of just trying to provide information in a reasonable chronological order for an encyclopedia purpose, and instead seems to just be acting as an inappropriately misplaced spoiler.
 * Please consider the damage that the chronological order of this information does to the value of the story for someone reading Bhagavad Gita. Please consider that no other encyclopedia page does this. Please consider that it would be clearly malicious and inappropriate if I went across Wikipedia pages adding spoilers to the 3rd sentence of the first paragraph of every character page. MichaelJHans (talk) 05:48, 14 April 2023 (UTC)
 * When this happened to me, it was wrong and I felt robbed of the story. I am acting in good faith for the sake of others reading Bhagavad Gita. I hope that you or someone else will eventually understand what every other online encyclopedia website understands.
 * The 3rd sentence of the first paragraph is not the appropriate place for spoiler information. It is discourteous and does a disservice to someone reading Bhagavad Gita. MichaelJHans (talk) 05:55, 14 April 2023 (UTC)
 * Whether or not you are indeed a new user, you should learn to write more concisely if you expect more experienced editors to read what you write.--Bbb23 (talk) 13:08, 14 April 2023 (UTC)

IP sock of User:Nestofbirdnests
Obviously, IP 173.73.180.124 is a block evading sock of Nestofbirdnests. I have just thanked Fdom5997 for his steadfast patrolling, and now the disruptive editor starts harassing me too with retaliatory reverts. Austronesier (talk) 19:38, 15 April 2023 (UTC)

Thank you!
Thank you for fixing the Excel High School weird title page doubling that I had going on. I actually want the title to be Excel High School (Online School), but I couldn't figure out how to do that once I made the title.

I also made a page for Richard C. Schwartz, Ph.D. that I would love for you to look at. I'm learning, so input is VERY welcome. GoodWritingSolutions (talk) 02:51, 16 April 2023 (UTC)

Kudmali Language
Sorry for that. I tried changing from Kurmali to Kudmali. But it was mistakenly changed to the Wikipedia project page. However, how can I do it right now? Help me plz. Thank You. চিথারাই মাহাতো (talk) 11:11, 21 April 2023 (UTC)

Birth certificates for DOB
Can you explain why a birth certificate cannot be used to verify a DOB and place of birth? The document is public ad there are no privacy issues because the artist is dead since 2007. Wabino (talk) 02:23, 23 April 2023 (UTC)
 * One obvious reason is that many people can (and do) share the same name. Please read Don't build the Frankenstein and Talk:Frederick Meyer. Cullen328 (talk) 02:29, 23 April 2023 (UTC)
 * The Birth certificate came from his ESTATE. What has been published in the WIKI with erroneous birth dates and place of birth is what is the Frankenstein. In addition, the only part of the DOB which is incorrect is the year. The artist himself didn't know his birth year. As an indigenous person, he was sent as a child to residential school. The law at the time required a minimum age of 7 for admission (so they adjusted his birthdate to 1932 when in fact it was 1933. I have his birth certificate, his marriage registration, his report cards, his admission form his medical examination for residential school and his divorce file. All public documents from government archives. Wabino (talk) 02:34, 23 April 2023 (UTC)
 * BTW - The certificate also lists his parents and full name. I can only assume you didn't even properly look at what you were undoing. The persons listed on the certificate are the same people listed in the wikipedia entry with cited sources (and that's OK?). Seems a little bit overzealous. As a result, your reason stated doesn't apply. Wabino (talk) 02:50, 23 April 2023 (UTC)
 * Your "undo" was unwarranted and your reason is nonsense. I can't be bothered anymore with WIKIpedia. No wonder it's a mess. Wabino (talk) 02:56, 23 April 2023 (UTC)
 * Also - I corroborated it with church files which state his full name and the name of his parents. So it's not the wrong person. Wabino (talk) 02:37, 23 April 2023 (UTC)
 * @Wabino I didn't see any citation of church files in the article. Or are you saying you did original research? —C.Fred (talk) 03:39, 23 April 2023 (UTC)

User:Nestofbirdnests is still sockpuppeting
User:Nestofbirdnests is still popping back and harassing me and others’ edits. This time as the name “Brett Rivera”. Block him please. Thanks Fdom5997 (talk) 04:04, 23 April 2023 (UTC)


 * You've already gotten my boyfriend banned for noreason, so this is a personal attack! Brett Rivera (talk) 04:05, 23 April 2023 (UTC)
 * Yeah, so shut up and cry about it. And stop coming back if that’s all you’re gonna do. Fdom5997 (talk) 04:06, 23 April 2023 (UTC)
 * You're merely feeding the troll :) WP:DONTFEED Brett Rivera (talk) 04:07, 23 April 2023 (UTC)

Source
The conflict is not editorial. Because the source is clearly misappropriated. Misappropriation of sources must be sanctioned Panam2014 (talk) 20:01, 16 April 2023 (UTC)


 * @Panam2014 Content disputes need sorted out on the article's talk page. —C.Fred (talk) 20:02, 16 April 2023 (UTC)
 * Is is not a content dispute. Misappropriation of sources is sanctionned by administrators. For example an user who uses a source who claims that Biden is liberal to add the content "Biden is a communist". It is the same. Please read the source. Panam2014 (talk) 20:04, 16 April 2023 (UTC)
 * @Panam2014 I am trying to sort through things to get to that. I have not had a chance to make it through the article's talk page yet. Protecting the page was an immediate reaction to stop the problematic behaviour that you (plural) were engaging in. —C.Fred (talk) 20:08, 16 April 2023 (UTC)
 * New revert after your warning. Panam2014 (talk) 20:47, 16 April 2023 (UTC)
 * @Panam2014 Before, actually. User had not been notified about the initial ANI case. —C.Fred (talk) 20:48, 16 April 2023 (UTC)
 * Can you do what's necessary? Panam2014 (talk) 20:52, 16 April 2023 (UTC)
 * He continues controversial edits. Panam2014 (talk) 21:41, 16 April 2023 (UTC)
 * @Panam2014 I see nothing that would warrant immediate action. I have advised them to take the matter to the talk page, since this seems to be a matter of a content dispute. —C.Fred (talk) 22:29, 16 April 2023 (UTC)
 * But if I revert the infobox, I will be blocked, and not him for having adding it. The source used for the infobox does not claim that Just Muslim is NDM nor that Just muslim is an islamic current. And he have not joined talk page when I have pingged him before his last edit. Panam2014 (talk) 22:35, 16 April 2023 (UTC)
 * Am I at least allowed to tag the multiple issues of the article? Panam2014 (talk) 22:40, 16 April 2023 (UTC)
 * The article is suspected to be an OR since 2015 (see talk page) so am I allowed to add the tag? Panam2014 (talk) 15:26, 17 April 2023 (UTC)
 * @Panam2014 Are you restoring a recently removed tag or adding a new tag? —C.Fred (talk) 00:35, 18 April 2023 (UTC)
 * No. It is an answer. Panam2014 (talk) 18:13, 18 April 2023 (UTC)
 * He continues edit warring despite he is never gone in talk page and there are a consensus to remove the infobox. Panam2014 (talk) 11:01, 24 April 2023 (UTC)

Why is my Edit is undone
My edits are an attempt to revise the edits done by a user with multiple BLP warnings and give undue weight to recent events. the summary I provided gives equal representation the coaching and playing career of the living person. Can I please add them back without having them undone. Coachch45 (talk) 02:31, 28 April 2023 (UTC) Coachch45 (talk) 02:34, 28 April 2023 (UTC)


 * @Coachch45 Absolutely not. As I noted, your edits added copyrighted material to the article in a manner that is not allowed. —C.Fred (talk) 10:58, 28 April 2023 (UTC)

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National Sun Yat-sen University
National Sun Yat-sen University was founded in 1980. jsut go to see the web site of the university  https://www.nsysu.edu.tw/p/412-1000-1497.php?Lang=en 140.123.173.68 (talk) 01:50, 5 May 2023 (UTC)


 * You need to reach consensus with other editors, which you have not done. —C.Fred (talk) 02:27, 5 May 2023 (UTC)

F&G Updates Requested
Hi C.Fred. My name is Karen and I work for F&G, an annuities and life insurance company. In compliance with WP:COI, I disclosed my connection and requested some changes at Talk:F&G. The edits are focused on telling readers the company is public and replacing un-cited, out-dated financial details with more recent ones in the infobox. I saw that you work in finance and was hoping you might be willing to review the proposed changes? Kep728 (talk) 19:23, 11 May 2023 (UTC)

Kajsa Ekis Ekman
Hi Fred. There is a previously blocked user called AnnikaCarina who is constantly coming back to Kajsa Ekis Ekman's page to turn it into some kind of hate page against the author, not referring her work but rather turning it into a catalogue of controveries. Instead of first describing her work, where she works now and what books she has written, it now starts with the criticism of the author and goes on like that. We are several who are trying to nuance it and make it more objective, and AnnikaCarina is back at it again. Alinsky1 (talk) 20:56, 13 May 2023 (UTC)


 * @Alinsky1 I can't tell if they're doing that or you're trying to sanitize the article and get rid of all the controversy. Either way, this needs to be settled through discussion, not edit warring. —C.Fred (talk) 21:05, 13 May 2023 (UTC)
 * I understand it might seem like that from the outset, but if you compare to the other versions in Swedish, Spanish, Norwegian etc, you will find they are all more balanced than what this one is becoming because of one editor. The article has been the way it was for a year, after AnnikaCarina was blocked. It seems he/she has become aware suddenly that the block has ceased and is back trying to turn it into a catalogue of controveries. We have already tried discussing with her/him but the editor only seems to have one thing in mind and that is to write bad things about the author. Alinsky1 (talk) 21:10, 13 May 2023 (UTC)

The Outer Banks Voice
Do you wish to reconsider your deletion in 2015 of the page on The Outer Banks Voice on grounds of A7? Google indicates there are over 30 existing Wikipedia articles that reference The Outer Banks Voice as a source (Cape Hatteras Electric Cooperative, Dare County Board of Commissioners, Marc Basnight, Shelly Island, Jarvisburg, Bobby Hanig, Nags Head, Rodanthe Bridge, Bodie Island Lighthouse, Mabel Evans Jones, Anne Petera, Manteo High School, Ted Davis Jr., The Lost Colony (play), Bob Steinburg, Wright Brothers National Memorial, Mid-Currituck Bridge, North Carolina's 6th House district, North Carolina's 1st Senate district, Chickie's & Pete's, North Carolina Highway 37, Robert Ladislas Derr, North Carolina, Interstate 87 (North Carolina), Hurricane Hermine, Interstate 3, Public Facilities Privacy & Security Act, Lilienthal Large Biplane, Hoagie roll, Beach nourishment, SS United States, 2022 United States Senate election in North Carolina, List of March for Our Lives locations, List of shipwrecks in 2022, List of 2021 Women's March locations). Isn't this prima facie evidence that such a media outlet meets the A7 requirements? For the record, I have no relationship whatsoever to The Outer Banks Voice. @ctill Ctill (talk) 18:46, 17 May 2023 (UTC)


 * @Ctill On the one hand, please explain to me how the Outer Banks Voice would have reported on a 2022 shipwreck in 2015. I stand by my decline of the speedy tag, but given the condition the article was in, I also stand by 's deletion of the article for both the A7 and G10 criteria. —C.Fred (talk) 20:46, 17 May 2023 (UTC)
 * I don't understand your response. I don't know what 2022 shipwreck you are alluding to. My point was that prior to 2015, there was an article about The Outer Banks Voice (itself) that you, so far as I can tell, deleted under A7. Ctill (talk) 21:34, 17 May 2023 (UTC)
 * C.Fred deleted The Outer Banks Voice on December 12, 2015, per A7, and I deleted Outer Banks Voice on April 11, 2014, per A7 and G10. Both articles were properly deleted. What you're saying now about the publication's notability is irrelevant to the state of the two articles when they were deleted.--Bbb23 (talk) 22:03, 17 May 2023 (UTC)
 * @Ctill Ah, I see, there was a page at The Outer Banks Voice with such minimal content as to demonstrate zero significance or importance of the subject. The deletion under A7 was appropriate. —C.Fred (talk) 03:19, 18 May 2023 (UTC)

Ayodhya Airport
You are at three reverts on Ayodhya Airport. Please be careful. -- Toddy1 (talk) 12:31, 22 May 2023 (UTC)

Mishti doi
Shumon 169, who you recently warned, is almost certainly a sock puppet of blocked user Bikrampuri - see their earlier edits to Mishti doi. Ram1751 (talk) 20:35, 22 May 2023 (UTC)

Perhaps you may be into this
Administrators%27_noticeboard/Incidents as long as you've blocked this guy several months ago. Ertrinken (talk) 16:12, 23 May 2023 (UTC)

Rouge the Bat protection
Since the offending editor is now banned, I think it's probably safe to remove the protection. - Cukie Gherkin (talk) 10:27, 28 May 2023 (UTC)


 * @Cukie Gherkin If there's reason to recreate the article, I will. —C.Fred (talk) 13:26, 28 May 2023 (UTC)
 * I'm not trying to recreate the article, just remove certain categories. - Cukie Gherkin (talk) 13:27, 28 May 2023 (UTC)
 * @Cukie Gherkin Okay. I'll unprotect. —C.Fred (talk) 13:28, 28 May 2023 (UTC)

Muhammad Luqman
Someone before you nominated this article for AfD, see Articles for deletion/Muhammad Luqman. DreamRimmer (talk) 04:26, 28 May 2023 (UTC)


 * @DreamRimmer Yep, but it's a speedy deletion candidate. Under the circumstances, it was easier to tag the article than speedy it through the AfD. —C.Fred (talk) 13:24, 28 May 2023 (UTC)
 * Yes, I was also in favour of speedy deletion, but someone had nominated it in AFD, so I had to keep my point there. I assumed you would be unaware of this, so I left you a message informing you. Regards! DreamRimmer (talk) 14:22, 28 May 2023 (UTC)
 * @DreamRimmer To be clear, the tag was more a courtesy to the article creator that speedy deletion was imminent, rather than me pulling the trigger on speedy deletion on the spot. —C.Fred (talk) 17:35, 28 May 2023 (UTC)

File:Orde M. Coombs NY.png
Hi C.Fred. File:Orde M. Coombs NY.png has been re-added to Orde M. Coombs. Probaby the best thing to do here is simply Prod the file for deletion or tagged it with di-disputed non-free use rationale per WP:NFC and item 9 of WP:NFC. If you simply remove the file again and wait for F5, someone could just re-add it. — Marchjuly (talk) 22:28, 29 May 2023 (UTC)


 * @Marchjuly When I removed it, it was basically unmentioned in the prose. There is at least a passing mention in the prose, if not discussion. So it probably does need to go through a XfD process. —C.Fred (talk) 03:07, 30 May 2023 (UTC)
 * Understand and have no problem with that. I'm also going to add that re-adding that image, a sentence about it and a citation needed template for that sentence in the same edit might be indicative of other problems other than an understaning of non-free content use. -- Marchjuly (talk) 05:38, 30 May 2023 (UTC)

Administrators' newsletter – June 2023
News and updates for administrators from the past month (May 2023).

Administrator changes
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Arbitration
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Archive Sent by MediaWiki message delivery (talk) 15:32, 5 June 2023 (UTC)

New edit for Fort Worth page
Good evening, Fred. I've been living almost my entire life in Fort Worth and I am trying to come up with a better and more recent version of Fort Worth's descriptive images on its page that better fits the city's attractions. The user TheLionHasSeen continuously abuses his power on Wikipedia as if he owned every page on every city in Texas. I can tell that this user is obsessed with not allowing any positive changes in these pages for some reason. I just wanted to make you aware of this on going issue. My goal is to better the presentation of a growing city like Fort Worth by including the most popular spots in the city. Thank you. Emmanuelope (talk) 04:05, 12 June 2023 (UTC)


 * @Emmanuelope The descriptive images are not necessarily the most popular spots in the city, and it's sometimes better for editors outside the city to be as involved, if not more involved, in selecting the images. Regardless, the place to reach consensus on the images to use is the article's talk page. —C.Fred (talk) 04:11, 12 June 2023 (UTC)


 * WP:NOPERSONALATTACKS - TheLionHasSeen (talk) 14:08, 13 June 2023 (UTC)
 * You are justifying the fact that another user, that clearly does not live in Fort Worth, is taking ownership of its article and not allowing anything to changed in good faith. Once again, he reverted my edit. Emmanuelope (talk) 14:26, 19 June 2023 (UTC)
 * @Emmanuelope It is apparent that there is a dispute about the images. You cannot unilaterally change the images. Under the principle of bold, revert, discuss, I have returned the images to the status quo ante situation while a consensus is reached at the article's talk page about changing the images. Once/If you are able to work with other editors and build that consensus, I will be glad to provide assistance in changing the images. —C.Fred (talk) 14:33, 19 June 2023 (UTC)
 * @User:Emmanuelope, please stop deliberately forgoing discussion, just to disappear and reappear at times seemingly "gaming the system." From multiple warnings on your talk page history which you have removed yourself, to flat out ignoring modes of discussion except here with an administrator, you have started to show that you must not be here to help build an encyclopedia. From this noticeboard incident to the latest, incident your behavior seems hostile and blatantly ignoring of conflict resolution—only seemingly contacting an administrator for the sake of trying to skirt consensus it seems. I have clarified multiple times that I cannot claim ownership of any article, and though I may not reside in Fort Worth, other editors have reverted you edit warring multiple times on Texas-related articles such as @User:Magnolia677 for example. Please, for the sake of civility, stop ignoring everyone and everything else. It isn't helpful to either of us. - TheLionHasSeen (talk) 13:01, 20 June 2023 (UTC)

Re: recent edit war between Luganchanka and IP
I don’t see any point in commenting on the various other aspects of the matter, but here’s my two cents on the only part(s) of it that I care about:


 * Both editors were more or less equally to blame for the edit war.
 * IP was apparently correct about the content, but that doesn’t excuse the 3RR violation, which was not their first.
 * This particular IP has a rather extensive contribution history (794 at last check). Given their frequent invocations of the WP namespace contrary to WP:CRYPTIC, they should have been treated as an experienced editor.


 * I had previously encountered this IP in a situation where they ended up violating 3RR. I decided not to report them, partly due to not feeling confrontational and partly because I had made two small mistakes relative to the ideal of the textbook parfait WikiKnight (slightly peeved edit summary and then RVing a 3RR violation with Twinkle and marking it minor — in my defense I hadn’t slept the whole night) and had a feeling IP would engage in whataboutism, as they indeed would later do. Instead I invoked WP:GS/RUSUKR to get the page ECPed so a talk page consensus could be reached, which I stepped back from once I saw that IP was probably correct on the content (although this only became clear on close examination).


 * As far as I’m concerned, this IP has shown a pattern of bad acts in their RUSUKR edits through their repeated flagrant (and almost certainly wanton, given that they act and talk like an experienced editor) disrespect for Wikipedia’s editing norms, habitual and egregious violations of WP:NPA in nearly every contentious edit summary in addition to their talk pages comments, as well as other bad behavior. For instance, this wanton and unchallenged violation of WP:TALKO, apart from a less unambiguously unjustifiable mess of mutual reversions between them and a mostly retired editor who appears to hail from the Global South at the revision history of Talk:Sergey Lavrov.

I don’t feel like making a stink about it for now but sooner or later if they keep it up and I’m not busy with Real Life I will. There’s already a strong ANI case but I’m not feeling combative at the moment. I can respect IP’s active sense of patriotism (they geolocate to Kyiv City or Vyshhorod) but their behavior on WP is completely intolerable.

In any event…

I have to give Volunteer Marek the benefit of the doubt but had I been him, I would have reported both editors. And regardless of any foibles and biases they might have, Luganchanka does not appear to have (that I’m aware of after a peek at contri history) a significant history of deliberate abuse of the process and habitual incivility the way IP does.

Again, just my two cents. I could be biased due to having been on the receiving end of IP’s name-calling and axe-grinding.

RadioactiveBoulevardier (talk) 07:35, 22 June 2023 (UTC)

Sholom Dovber Schneersohn
Thank you very much for the reversion. It has been years since I seriously edited on English Wikipedia, but is there any possibility of protecting the article? I don't remember the procedure and I'm too lazy and preoccupied to find out. They've been attempting to delete that part for years. All Chabad articles are subject to intense PR by users affiliated with the sect. I also must emphasize it is not a "theory": Please note the sources on the TP. No scholar (as opposed to Chabad mouthpiece) contests that it is SD Schneersohn who was treated by Steckel and Freud. AddMore-III (talk) 10:25, 26 June 2023 (UTC)

Why was my edit on XXXTentacion reverted?
Answer please. ErceÇamurOfficial (talk) 11:08, 27 June 2023 (UTC)


 * @ErceÇamurOfficial "For the other rapper, see DMX" is not a useful hatnote. There are more than two rappers, unlike what your hatnote implies, and nothing in the intro of the DMX article suggests that he was ever known as X. —C.Fred (talk) 11:36, 27 June 2023 (UTC)

Study Invitation
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Administrators' newsletter – July 2023
News and updates for administrators from the past month (June 2023).



Administrator changes
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 * Discussion is open regarding a proposed global policy regarding third-party resources. Third-party resources are computer resources that reside outside of Wikimedia production websites.

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Archive Sent by MediaWiki message delivery (talk) 12:57, 1 July 2023 (UTC)

Rathod Sravan
Why delete request this article. Rathod Sravan is very famous in local area. Sachin96700 (talk) 03:23, 3 July 2023 (UTC)


 * @Sachin96700 Because the text cannot be used on Wikipedia. You would need to write an article, citing independent reliable sources, and written in your own words. —C.Fred (talk) 03:24, 3 July 2023 (UTC)

Dancing on Ice
Thank you for once again undoing those edits to all of the Dancing on Ice pages. I'm guessing it's the same IP-editor as yesterday, and I'd guess they will be back again. Would it be possible to assign a wider range block, or what do you think of a semi-protection lock on all of the pages? I can submit them to RPP if you think it's appropriate. Bgsu98  (Talk)  22:25, 5 July 2023 (UTC)


 * @Bgsu98 If the disruption continues, then semi-protection is the next step. That's probably easier than trying to craft an IP rangeblock. —C.Fred (talk) 00:59, 6 July 2023 (UTC)
 * Okay, if I notice a problem before you do, I will let you know. Thank you! Bgsu98   (Talk)  01:04, 6 July 2023 (UTC)
 * They're back.  Bgsu98   (Talk)  02:31, 6 July 2023 (UTC)

StripChat
Hi C.Fred,

I had reversed your edit because stripcams.cc is another website that goes to Stripchat.com so I assumed it was ok to keep it that way? 2600:100D:B068:F872:302E:B9F:160C:2E35 (talk) 05:52, 10 July 2023 (UTC)


 * In a situation like this, only the original URL should be used, not aliases. —C.Fred (talk) 10:21, 10 July 2023 (UTC)
 * Understood and thanks for letting me know. 2600:100D:B068:F872:302E:B9F:160C:2E35 (talk) 19:23, 10 July 2023 (UTC)

Need help/Guiditation
You undo the speed deletion of my profile page, it seems that user Daxserver is targetting me personally, as he put copyright notice on all the images I used in all my recent creations/contributions, he did all this things on 15-20 minutes, that clearly means he's targetting me specifically. What should I do in this conditon? @C.Fred IvivekChoudhary (talk) 19:33, 9 July 2023 (UTC)


 * @IVickyChoudhary It does not necessarily mean they are targeting you specifically. It does mean they have looked through your contributions and noticed some concerns. I didn't look regarding image licensing on images you used; all I looked at was your user page. —C.Fred (talk) 20:57, 9 July 2023 (UTC)
 * @IVickyChoudhary I don't see any edits by today related to your images. Can you give a specific instance of where this happened? —C.Fred (talk) 20:59, 9 July 2023 (UTC)
 * Oh, wait. Do you mean Commons:File:Sudipto sen.jpg as an example? As I said before, it's not unreasonable to look through a new editor's contributions and see if there are any major issues—and copyright infringement is a major issue. —C.Fred (talk) 21:02, 9 July 2023 (UTC)
 * I'm not new editor, contributing since 2015. And I know about copyright but why all of sudden action on 5-6 years old uploads ? IvivekChoudhary (talk) 21:56, 10 July 2023 (UTC)
 * @IVickyChoudhary Just because the upload hadn't been noticed until today doesn't mean there's an exception to the copyright rules. —C.Fred (talk) 01:02, 11 July 2023 (UTC)
 * ok and how can I take license if I don't have contact with them? IvivekChoudhary (talk) 08:32, 12 July 2023 (UTC)
 * @IVickyChoudhary You can't. (You just asked the equivalent question of, how can I buy something if I can't get to the store?) —C.Fred (talk) 11:27, 12 July 2023 (UTC)

Image Request
Hello there! I was wondering if you could help adding an image to the Niki and Gabi article. It's a screenshot from a YouTube video, I would've added it myself but unfortunately I got blocked from Wikimedia Commons 3 years ago because I didn't know how to use it back then (I wish there's a way to get unblocked cause I'm sure I know better about Wikipedia now). If you can help or if you know anybody that could help please let me know! Have an amazing day

Link to the video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L81O5Q6aSPE (1:33 time stamp - as a portrait of them if it's possible) Gabriella Grande (talk) 15:46, 13 July 2023 (UTC)


 * @Gabriella Grande We cannot use a screenshot from that video; it's not under a free license. —C.Fred (talk) 23:13, 13 July 2023 (UTC)

Can you delete article about me?
Hello, dear C.Fred! Please delete article about me. I can’t put deletion template on it because you protected it. 2403:6200:8871:B5F2:C816:5D61:5F70:855C (talk) 15:49, 14 July 2023 (UTC)


 * In short, no. I won't delete an article merely on the request of an anonymous user—not to mention that I have no idea what article you're referring to. For me to delete it, the request will need to be based in policy. If the article is about you, you can email the Volunteer Response Team, verify your identity, and see if they will delete the article. —C.Fred (talk) 19:53, 14 July 2023 (UTC)

Infoboxes of darts sites
Hi Fred,

I chose you to ask for your help. I have a dispute with another editor (ItsKesha)

you can find it here: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:2023_World_Matchplay

and the history here: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:2023_PDC_World_Darts_Championship

I'm obviously not asking you to tell me the truth, I just want to see a person on the discussion board who might understand what several of us are explaining, that flags have a very important role in the infobox, and I'm looking for people who notice that the above-mentioned how editor doesn't help, but rather just makes things worse. You can look back at the previous darts events, and they are all neat and follow the rules. I've been using wikipedia for a long time, but I've never come across anything like this :( Szpity88 (talk) 23:42, 15 July 2023 (UTC)

Rachel Kushner
I am Rachel Kushner's mother. My husband is Rachel Kushner's father. We are described in the entry for Rachel as Communists and my husband as Jewish and I as Unitarian. We are not Communists. We have never been Communists. None of the citations used say that we are 'Communists.' Rachel states in several publications that her father's family was Communists. Peter, her father, was never a Communist. He was a child. I have never been a Communist. My parents were never Communists. My husband is ethnically Jewish. He is NOT Jewish by religion. I am not Unitarian, although my parents were Unitarian. This mistake must be corrected. The evidence is myself and my husband. We are making this correction. Citations rightfully could be <> and <> Websterbeezer (talk) 22:39, 23 July 2023 (UTC)


 * @Websterbeezer First, you have a conflict of interest and should not be editing Rachel's article directly. Second, we go with what the published sources say, and based on what I saw, the descriptor "Communist" was present in a mention of her father. I can go back and check. —C.Fred (talk) 00:39, 24 July 2023 (UTC)

Charles III requested move discussion
There is a new requested move discussion in progress for the Charles III article. Since you participated in the previous discussion, I thought you might like to know about this one. Cheers. Rreagan007 (talk) 06:15, 24 July 2023 (UTC)

Talk page clean-up
Thanks for quickly cleaning up my talk page and related actions. Skynxnex (talk) 12:53, 24 July 2023 (UTC)


 * @Skynxnex No problem. Sorry it happened to you, but...if WMF had a dollar for every disruptive or agenda-pushing user out there, we'd never see donation ads ever again. :) *sigh* —C.Fred (talk) 19:41, 24 July 2023 (UTC)

Grand Mufti of India
Thanks for your efforts, you can restore to better version. 2409:40F3:26:5A69:8000:0:0:0 (talk) 00:45, 27 July 2023 (UTC)

Other British monarch requested move discussions currently taking place
Since you recently participated in the Charles III requested move discussion, I thought you might like to know that there are two other discussions currently going on about other British monarch article titles here and here. Cheers. Rreagan007 (talk) 22:24, 30 July 2023 (UTC)

User:Bbmr
Dear C.Fred, Hello, You just moved this user 's article to the exact name , but another article on the same topic is currently in draft and has been rejected by the Articles for Creation reviewer decline their draft.this article is seem like releated to possible conflict of interest and he try to remove speedy deletion tag from draft. I request to you please their talkpage ane his contributions, his contribution is evidence of his non-postive work.Kind regards ––– Àvî Râm7 (talk)  12:47, 31 July 2023 (UTC)


 * @Aviram7 If there are deeper things going on with the user, then there may need to be a discussion about them, possibly at WP:COIN. Additionally, while we don't act on precedent always, there have been many other recent cases where when somebody moves material from draft to mainspace repeatedly, we just start AfD on it rather than force it back to draft. I'll see what the AfC reviewer thinks. —C.Fred (talk) 15:20, 31 July 2023 (UTC)
 * And I just contacted them. Pinging you to this discussion also in case you want to join in here. —C.Fred (talk) 15:31, 31 July 2023 (UTC)


 * Of Course! and I'm support your talk, I'll see what is the opinion of AFC Reviwers at this topic.Kind regards –––Face-smile.svg Àvî Râm7 (talk)  16:00, 31 July 2023 (UTC)
 * Hello, C. Fred and @Aviram7, I've nominated this article for AfD.  𝙳𝚛𝚎𝚊𝚖𝚁𝚒𝚖𝚖𝚎𝚛  𝚍𝚒𝚜𝚌𝚞𝚜𝚜  16:26, 31 July 2023 (UTC)

Juozas Jurginis
Hi, if you get a spare moment, could you please have another look at Juozas Jurginis? The author has been adding a lot of unreferenced content again, and they also seem to take issue with others 'interfering' with 'their' article. The COI query you posted on their UTP hasn't been responded to, and when I added a COI tag to the article (I think it's quite clear this is someone writing about their late father) pending their disclosure, they just removed it. Maybe they just need things explained better than I do... Cheers, -- DoubleGrazing (talk) 16:08, 1 August 2023 (UTC)


 * @DoubleGrazing The threat to take off-Wiki action on X and Academia went too far, in my book. They are blocked indefinitely from the Jurginis article until they retract the threat and respond to the COI inquiries. —C.Fred (talk) 18:13, 1 August 2023 (UTC)
 * Thanks, appreciated! -- DoubleGrazing (talk) 18:17, 1 August 2023 (UTC)

Thanks
... for weighing in on the use of insta pages. 2603:7000:2101:AA00:BC80:53D7:4ECB:EF00 (talk) 18:56, 6 August 2023 (UTC)

Administrators' newsletter – August 2023
News and updates for administrators from the past month (July 2023).



Administrator changes
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 * Special:BlockedExternalDomains is a new tool that allows easier blocking of plain domains (and their subdomains). This is more easily searchable and is faster for the software to use than the existing MediaWiki:Spam-blacklist. It does not support regex (for complex cases), URL path-matching, or the MediaWiki:Spam-whitelist.

Arbitration
 * The arbitration cases named Scottywong and AlisonW closed 10 July and 16 July respectively.
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Archive Sent by MediaWiki message delivery (talk) 08:53, 8 August 2023 (UTC)

I don't think an editor can make you involved by attacking you
That would just be too easy and allow even vandals to stop from being sanctioned just by attacking any Admin warning them. Worth asking at the talk page of WP:INVOLVED? Doug Weller talk 06:44, 8 August 2023 (UTC)


 * @Doug Weller You're right. It's also a way of saying that if they continue down the path they're on, they'll be on the radar of all the admins...and that may not end very well for them. —C.Fred (talk) 22:58, 8 August 2023 (UTC)
 * @C.Fred Yes. Doug Weller  talk 05:54, 9 August 2023 (UTC)

Apologies
Thanks for the heads up, are the other 3 images I’ve edited copyrighted as well? Sean Brady, Vicente Luque & Belal Mohammed, sorry for the inconvenience I’ve caused MrPotatoHeadx (talk) 03:45, 11 August 2023 (UTC)


 * @MrPotatoHeadx It's pretty evident that all the images I saw were scraped from other websites—and copyrighted. At least two of them had copyright notices planly present in the image. —C.Fred (talk) 03:47, 11 August 2023 (UTC)
 * Sorry I’m new to this, I’ll take more caution, again I apologise MrPotatoHeadx (talk) 03:48, 11 August 2023 (UTC)

Pronouns warning template
See we bumped into each other on revert/warning at Hannah Gadsby. FYI, uw-pronouns1 and kin are a useful family of templates. Note also that warns with roughly level-2 severity, so I usually block after only 1 or 2 manual warnings on talk, if the person's also gotten warned by 1200. -- Tamzin  &#91;cetacean needed&#93; (she&#124;they&#124;xe) 17:33, 12 August 2023 (UTC)


 * @Tamzin Thank you twice over: once for the pronouns template (I don't think it's in Twinkle, so I'd missed it), and for the filter giving warnings. —C.Fred (talk) 18:19, 12 August 2023 (UTC)
 * You're welcome! There's an option in WP:TW/P to add custom templates. I keep it loaded with the 4 pronouns templates (although the level-4's just a generic, so probably don't need to) and a couple of niche sockpuppetry warnings. -- Tamzin  &#91;cetacean needed&#93; (she&#124;they&#124;xe) 18:23, 12 August 2023 (UTC)

Learning
Hey, I am new to Wikipedia and I was just a bit confused as to how the information I had edited on this page (quite a bit of it was actually correcting inaccuracies on the page) was deemed to be 'excessively promotional'? Ultimately leading to the revisions being removed. I think added clarity would help me improve with making future edits on the platform, because I felt all the added information was helpful to give context to readers about the nature of the church while remaining completely objective. ~ GJonesAssociates (talk) 03:18, 15 August 2023 (UTC)


 * @GJonesAssociates It read like it had been copied from the church's website, and if I recall, it was sourced to the website. An encyclopedia article really needs to be based on independent reliable sources. —C.Fred (talk) 04:18, 15 August 2023 (UTC)
 * Thank you, that is helpful, respectfully it seems unreasonable for credible source material on such a small institution to be gathered from an independent source in this instance. Regardless, in the interest of correcting false information on the page, I will sparingly correct only the mistakes on the current page and refrain from sharing details beyond that if would only be found on the church's website. Thanks for helping me improve my wiki-ing skills, I appreciate it! ~ GJonesAssociates (talk) 15:14, 15 August 2023 (UTC)
 * @GJonesAssociates Articles need to pass a threshold of notability, see WP:Notability which says " Wikipedia articles cover notable topics—those that have gained sufficiently significant attention by the world at large and over a period of time, and are not outside the scope of Wikipedia. We consider evidence from reliable and independent sources to gauge this attention. The notability guideline does not determine the content of articles, but only whether the topic may have its own article." We have specific guidelines for churches at WP:NCHURCH which say "Individual religious organizations (whether called congregations, synods, synagogues, temples, churches, etc.) must meet the notability guideline for organizations and companies or the general notability guideline or both." See Notability (organizations and companies) as well as GNG. Doug Weller  talk 15:41, 15 August 2023 (UTC)

Thank you C.Fred
I'm burned Wikipedian from fifteen years ago or more. So I don't want to register myself for years. But this time, 1961 was not the year the Beatles was called "Rock Band". 2405:6581:AB00:2A00:E0D9:C198:F082:1253 (talk) 03:05, 18 August 2023 (UTC)

ANI notice
Hi C.Fred, please feel free to comment here 2601:19E:4180:6D50:65F5:930C:B0B2:CD63 (talk) 02:31, 22 August 2023 (UTC)
 * Thank you for helping. They may or may not be blockable, but they looked like they're starting a roll of odd edits. 2601:19E:4180:6D50:65F5:930C:B0B2:CD63 (talk) 03:03, 22 August 2023 (UTC)

Hurricane Hilary (2023)
Look. I'll stop the disruptive edits. If there is anything else you want me to do, tell me. LoveHop123 (talk) 00:57, 23 August 2023 (UTC)

August 2023
Hello, I'm ItsCheck. An edit that you recently made to List of most-viewed YouTube videos seemed to be a test and has been reverted. If you want to practice editing, please use your sandbox. If you think a mistake was made, or if you have any questions, you can leave me a message on my talk page. ''Just to let you know, all view counts should be updated together. Thanks.'' ItsCheck (talk) 01:19, 23 August 2023 (UTC)
 * Per WP:DTTR a user warning template probably shouldn’t have been used.--173.23.45.183 (talk) 01:31, 23 August 2023 (UTC)
 * @ItsCheck It is impractical to update all 30 at once, so I have flagged the entire section as having its accuracy compromised and needing updated, since you returned two-year-old data to the list. —C.Fred (talk) 02:13, 23 August 2023 (UTC)
 * Sorry@C.Fred ItsCheck (talk) 02:21, 23 August 2023 (UTC)

Hue people
I saw your PROD tag. I can't argue with your logic and you're probably right.

Just to be on the safe side, I left a neutrally-worded notification at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Vietnam.

Thanks for caring about our article integrity. If this is bogus, I'm glad you're getting rid of it.

-- A. B. (talk • contribs • global count) 12:50, 23 August 2023 (UTC)


 * @A. B. An IP had suggested speedy deletion with the notation of "Troll post", which I wasn't convinced was the case. However, I can make the case that a good-faith effort to verify it fails. —C.Fred (talk) 18:55, 23 August 2023 (UTC)
 * I don't disagree. I'm just being cautious.
 * Given its addition to deletion sorting for Vietnam + the notice at WP:VIETNAM, if there's anything to this, we'll find out.
 * — A. B. (talk • contribs • global count) 20:02, 23 August 2023 (UTC)
 * Looking at a translated version of the Vietnamese article for this province:
 * https://vi.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thừa_Thiên_Huế
 * it seems in the "Culture" section that someone has tried to make Hue culture seem different (I'm referring to Hue, the city).
 * I've heard of ethnic minorities in Vietnam but they were up in the mountains, not in a major coastal city.
 * The article says they're about 1 million Hue people. Coincidentally, that's about the population of the province.
 * You caught one!
 * — A. B. (talk • contribs • global count) 20:11, 23 August 2023 (UTC)
 * @A. B. Yes, I saw the articles we have on Hue, the city, and the province of (Thua Thien?) Hue. But conflating the province with a people seemed...odd. Not malicious on the surface, but for sure odd. —C.Fred (talk) 20:35, 23 August 2023 (UTC)

Full protection removal
Hi,

Thought I'd drop note as I just reduced the protection level on the redirect Bryan Domani from full protect. The policies (not to mention practical execution) seem slightly in disagreement as to whether I should have asked in advance or not. Rather than go for needless bureaucracy I left the change in, but if you disagree please reimplement (consider this agreement on my side to allay any wheel-war aspect) and let me know. Cheers, Nosebagbear (talk) 22:22, 24 August 2023 (UTC)

You may consider doing a sitewide block instead of a pblock and disable account creation- it looks like WP:LTA/HOY who is globally banned to me. #prodraxis connect 12:41, 28 August 2023 (UTC)

I'm offenended
Your insulting me. How can my edits BE DISRUPTIVE? THE INFORMATION NOT CORRECT. I needed to add information that wasn't already there. That whynn is doing my head in. You can't insult me? FlagPies23 (talk) 21:14, 29 August 2023 (UTC)


 * @FlagPies23 My message had nothing to do with your edits and everything to do with the insults you directed at another user. —C.Fred (talk) 21:16, 29 August 2023 (UTC)
 * 4TheWhynn offended me and insulted me I'm not ok with that. He was also telling me what to do. I didn't disrupt anything on Collingwood Football Club. I added previous information that wasn't included in previous revisions. 😭😭 FlagPies23 (talk) 21:21, 29 August 2023 (UTC)
 * @FlagPies23 I don't see any evidence of an insult. He was telling you what to do in the sense of providing you advice on how to edit in compliance with Wikipedia's guidelines and policies. —C.Fred (talk) 21:22, 29 August 2023 (UTC)
 * Whyyyy. Ehhh there is to much rules with this wikipedia. I'm going to quit editing soon. Getting a warning for basically nothing. That's overuse of ADMINISTRATOR powers FlagPies23 (talk) 21:26, 29 August 2023 (UTC)
 * @FlagPies23 Please look again at this messages you left 4TheWynne and tell me that you don't see a personal attack in it. —C.Fred (talk) 02:24, 30 August 2023 (UTC)
 * Im expressing my feelings I can't help it FlagPies23 (talk) 05:50, 30 August 2023 (UTC)
 * @FlagPies23 In a collaborative environment, you need to be conscious of how your actions and words affect others. You do not get carte blanche to express your feelings. —C.Fred (talk) 11:07, 30 August 2023 (UTC)
 * ok FlagPies23 (talk) 11:08, 30 August 2023 (UTC)

Why did you reverse my change I just did?
Hi please explain why you just reversed my change I made on wix.com? I didn’t see anything wrong with it and I had redid the entire article!? 2600:100D:B021:4BBF:2435:96A9:2C8F:2033 (talk) 03:16, 31 August 2023 (UTC)


 * I really worked hard at this too so I would appreciate you undoing what I just did please thanks. 2600:100D:B021:4BBF:2435:96A9:2C8F:2033 (talk) 03:17, 31 August 2023 (UTC)
 * And that in and of itself was suspect. The big red flag was the change of the URL. —C.Fred (talk) 03:17, 31 August 2023 (UTC)
 * Um I must have missed that but the change I made was rewording the entire article so at least keep that part if I may? 2600:100D:B021:4BBF:2435:96A9:2C8F:2033 (talk) 03:20, 31 August 2023 (UTC)
 * Given the errors in one spot, all of your edits are called into question, so we'd have to really go through everything with a fine-tooth comb. —C.Fred (talk) 03:28, 31 August 2023 (UTC)
 * Ok I’m cool with that I just worked really hard at this so I greatly appreciate your assistance. 2600:100D:B021:4BBF:2435:96A9:2C8F:2033 (talk) 03:29, 31 August 2023 (UTC)

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Archive Sent by MediaWiki message delivery (talk) 09:21, 1 September 2023 (UTC)

Reason for edit revert on Software developer?
The current page's redirect link contains a broken anchor. There is already another page on same topic - programmer. It would make sense to redirect to it instead. Please do mention reason of reverting in edit summary. ThisIsNeverUsed (talk) 08:49, 7 September 2023 (UTC)

Dancing on Ice (series 14) & Dancing on Ice (series 15)
Somehow, these two seasons were missed when you protected the other thirteen seasons a few weeks ago. Another IP editor is back reintroducing the same garbage. Any help would be appreciated! Bgsu98  (Talk)  01:33, 11 September 2023 (UTC)

Foxbro
Seems to me that this editor has a WP:COMPETENCE issue. –Skywatcher68 (talk) 01:02, 11 September 2023 (UTC)


 * @Skywatcher68 Yeah, That was the subtle gist of this edit summary. —C.Fred (talk) 01:04, 11 September 2023 (UTC)
 * It appears that they socked-up after I reported them to AN3.  –Skywatcher68 (talk) 03:17, 11 September 2023 (UTC)

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Mersenne prime
The part of the Mersenne prime article starting with the following sentence:

"All Mersenne numbers with the prime exponents not only primes pass the Fermat primality test for a = 2"

is own work of Mr. Matt Kalinski (possibly the Wikipedia user with the Mattedia nick). It is not confirmed by any other RS.

Is it allowed to add this kind of edits to the Wikipedia?

Regards Szelma W (talk) 14:38, 24 September 2023 (UTC)

Hypebeat1
You should really revoke their TPA. It's for the best.  Liliana UwU  (talk / contributions) 05:11, 27 September 2023 (UTC)

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Kudmi Mahato articles related problem
Kudmi Mahato are not tribal community, kudmi mahato are obc community in india. You can see Indian government obc list. In india only those communities which are in ST(Scheduled Tribe) list are called tribal, Kudmi(mahato) community are OBC(Other Backward Classes) in everywhere in india. I wanted to remove tribal from first line in Kudmi Mahato article, but itsmejamie always prevent me and support spammer who provided false information about kudmi mahato. Please help me c fred and please remove tribal word from first line in Kudmi Mahato page article, it is my humble request to you Indian Mahato (talk) 05:32, 16 October 2023 (UTC)


 * @Indian Mahato You'll need to discuss that at Talk:Kudmi Mahato, present reliable sources for the change, and get consensus for the change. —C.Fred (talk) 11:53, 16 October 2023 (UTC)
 * Although on a closer look, you aren't removing "tribal" from the first line, you're removing an image, and it appears you've been blocked once before for doing this. —C.Fred (talk) 11:55, 16 October 2023 (UTC)

Thanks
for deleting a wiki page that I just spent 3 hours on gstark (talk) 03:55, 29 October 2023 (UTC)

November Articles for creation backlog drive
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There is a backlog of over pages, so start reviewing drafts. We're looking forward to your help! MediaWiki message delivery (talk) 13:23, 31 October 2023 (UTC)

area code 440
Would you please revert the article to the single code title. The policy has been to use only codes that are activated in the network in area code article titles. Often in the past have planned relief actions been canceled, delayed, or changed. The newly assigned or reserved codes are accounted for by links to the main article, with perhaps some prose about future action in the history section. kbrose (talk) 19:56, 2 November 2023 (UTC)

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Archive Sent by MediaWiki message delivery (talk) 17:22, 7 November 2023 (UTC)

hatted discussion
I wasn't trying to discount your question to @Ngunalik asking if they would agree to a six month topic ban but it didn't appear they were going to respond to it and continued the back and forth with @Cookiemonster1618. That section was starting to get off point so I hatted that portion. Feel free to revert if you think it best. This has been a mess of a discussion and I appreciate any admin taking the time to look over it. -- A Rose Wolf  18:07, 15 November 2023 (UTC)

Vandalism in Lango article Ateker article
@ C. Fred please if you have time look in to the articles above, lots of editors have brought original research showing that Lango group belong to Lango race collectively known as Ateker group and there are so much work put on these articles because Wikipedia called editors to improve these. However one called Cookiemonster1618 he is removing all the evidence bringing the work back to square one. Please look to see whether he can get blocked. What he is putting there is not consistent. ThanksNgunalik (talk) 19:08, 29 October 2023 (UTC)


 * @Ngunalik If users have been introducing original research into the Wikipedia articles and Cookiemonster1618 is removing it, then CM1618 is acting according to policy. Normally I would say this is a content dispute and should be discussed at the relevant articles' talk pages, but since there is a WP:ANI report about you, you should also give an explanation there about why you think CM1618's edits are disruptive. —C.Fred (talk) 03:06, 30 October 2023 (UTC)
 * @C.Fred Thanks for your response. 1618 is removing evidence, extensive researched references placed by several editors over months of work. He is acusing me for doing this, but if you look carefully, these articles have lots of work contributed by several editors. 1618 has no any proof about the Lango or Kumam grouping, he is saying that they are not Ateker but provide no any evidence to substantiate this.  You look at these articles for consistency and see what 1618 has done. Ngunalik (talk) 03:45, 30 October 2023 (UTC)
 * @Ngunalik Based on the edits you described at ANI, 1618's edits are based on reliable sources, while your edits are based on sources that are not reliable. —C.Fred (talk) 15:42, 30 October 2023 (UTC)
 * What are the list of "non reliable sources I have put up". Also be aware that most languages are still being researched properly especially when the language group were very few long time ago and had few literate scholars of their own.  They are coming up and you look through the lists I posted on the other discussion you will see there are primary research work and academicians are taking note of these. 18:57, 30 October 2023 (UTC) Ngunalik (talk) 18:57, 30 October 2023 (UTC)
 * @Ngunalik The one edit I found with a source explicitly cited was to an unreliable article. —C.Fred (talk) 21:05, 30 October 2023 (UTC)
 * @C.Fred if only one source then you can see why it was un-necessary that I got so attacked. I had just started editing something on that day and made it clear that I had not completed what I wanted to do with regards to references. Did you see my comments on the review? However the other editor 1618 just deleted the work in a hurry. Then threatened saying I must not add anything to those articles. Ngunalik (talk) 00:28, 31 October 2023 (UTC)
 * @Ngunalik To clarify, the one edit was the only edit I found with a source. Other edits, the sources were not there, or were not obvious for review. —C.Fred (talk) 01:38, 31 October 2023 (UTC)
 * @C.Fred then I do not know about that because I have added references before in that Article some times back but several people edited after me and changed the grammer or added other references afterwards. On the last day, I had only started that bit as stated earlier on.  Several months ago I was adding references but I am not sure whether all are still there.  For instance the reference about Nilo-Hamites I added that.   Which article are you pointing to? Ngunalik (talk) 09:47, 31 October 2023 (UTC)
 * Currently busy but I will find some time and look through these articles again at some point. To say that this one citation is the ONLY reference I have ever put in there, it is not true. I have an article on Wiki which I started and brought lots of references, most times people blocked them, changed them etc. You cannot be in control of what people do with references. Ngunalik (talk) 09:53, 31 October 2023 (UTC)
 * @C.Fred, this is what I was saying I started adding references into those articles round about last year 2022. Some of the references I can see them some have been deleted. I do not know by whom.  Now the problem I find with ~1618 editor is that he deletes what I put and says Kumam, or Langi peoples are not Ateker then he claims that he has reverted it because I did not cite anything.  This is not true. If you check the last edits he reverted from Kumam article below, my citation was right there. He deleted my edits but left my citation in his reverts. So what is the point of editors spending their energies serching references, when this man deletes and accuses us like this?
 * The Kumam are ethnic group belonging to Ateker peoples, they  live in Kaberamaido district, district in Eastern Uganda. Ngunalik (talk) 20:07, 4 November 2023 (UTC)
 * @C.Fred, also to add this is emerging facts which had not been explored properly so currently there are researchers travelling up to the villages of Kumam people. As you can check in this link, there has been hours of interviews with the elders of Kumam people. you and copy this and watch the documentary here. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MJo4_Yq7WZo&t=483s Ngunalik (talk) 20:28, 4 November 2023 (UTC)
 * @C.Fred, following the above conversation, I have not heard much what the conclusion has been. I have today added further references in articles:- Lango people plus language, Kumam people plus language, Ateker peoples. I also tidied up here and there. I am waiting to hear whether the editor ~1618 is going to say he removed these as they were not sourced.  Please have a look if you get time. Thanks. Ngunalik (talk) 23:25, 6 November 2023 (UTC)
 * @C.Fred would the ban include the STGINU page I started? If you notice I worked hard to source and since then I have not had sourcing problems.
 * Also after my last edits on the three articles, I had contacted you first in the above matter and requested you to check the references I had added and you did visit the page before 1618 manually deleted some of my references. Travel guide source was just the least of sources not the main one I was relying on.
 * So I had checked sources already before adding my last edits these are still on Wikipedia e.g.
 * Webster, James Bertin (1973). The Iteso during the asonya. East African Pub. House. pp. xxi
 * Uzoigwe, G. N. The beginnings of Lango society : a review of evidence. OCLC 38562622.
 * And several others, some citations I had put them myself - I am not sure whether all are still there.
 * However, the above shows that Lango, Kumam are groupd as Ateker and their language are Ateker langauges. And the citations also note that Lango plus Kumam languages "fused" or has mixtures with Lwo aka Luo.
 * Looking from the response of 1618, and given his interpretatins, I do not think we are dealing with someone who has read the background of the subjects in these articles nor checked references already cited in those articles up to now. Which is very concerning.

All the sources he put in this discussion do not support his arguments. Even https://web.archive.org/web/20201210010927id_/https://eprints.soas.ac.uk/29330/1/10731425.pdf

From page 50 up say page 61 support what editors had already stated in the wikipedia pages which this gentleman has now deleted them.
 * Ngunalik (talk) Ngunalik (talk) 08:55, 18 November 2023 (UTC)
 * @Ngunalik Yes, StGiNU would be within the scope of the ban. —C.Fred (talk) 12:24, 18 November 2023 (UTC)
 * Then it should have been raised through my talk page first if there were issues with my StGiNU reliable sources as well.
 * If the board is saying because of this one incident of travel guide which again was not raised through my talk page, I should be banned for, then that is too unfair. Every single day editors are adding unreliable sources, I see correctons about these among experienced editors. Ngunalik (talk) 12:34, 18 November 2023 (UTC)
 * @Ngunalik The problem is, by nature, the article covers the people of east Africa, so it's hard to carve out an exception for that article. I have not personally evaluated the edits to see what the sourcing is like. —C.Fred (talk) 12:57, 18 November 2023 (UTC)
 * It is not fair at all, I am confused here as to what I have done wrong. I cannot be judged on the basis of someones behaviour? Am I meant to give up editing on East African issues? The resources this individual gave was absolutely shocking e.g. classroom handouts, is the board saying all my citations were the same as his so far? I asked Bites to tell me where he thought the citations I provided on the discussion were all unreliable after my explanation, I did not get any response from anyone todate. Except that one editor confirmed that primary source can acctually be used in some situations, the comments are still there so what wrong have I done with my citations? Ngunalik (talk) 21:23, 19 November 2023 (UTC)
 * Do you know how many facts I brought in wikipedia which caused editors to start new wikipedia pages? Some of them have been grateful for the information I provided even though I was learning how to write on wikipedia. I do not see any justice in this second sanction, even the first one I was told to respond and when I obayed, I got sanctioned for doing so - where is the justice in this? Someone who never went through my talk page, abused me, was agressive towards me, personally attacked me is being judged same with me as if whatever they did, I also did the same things. I do not see any justification at all.Ngunalik (talk) 21:32, 19 November 2023 (UTC)
 * @Ngunalik You were judged on the basis of your behaviour, particularly as it related to a number of articles about East African peoples and languages. Further, the topic ban is viewed as necessary because of how you did respond in the discussion. Your post of 14 Nov at 22:20 is a prime example of that: you cited a blog (unreliable) containing primary research (to be avoided) as an example of a reliable source.As for your post just above this one, tread lightly, because it could very easily be interpreted as a violation of your interaction ban. (See the fourth bullet point under WP:IBAN.) —C.Fred (talk) 00:35, 20 November 2023 (UTC)
 * What behaviour was this on the East African peoples and languages? I did not cite a blog - I think there is a misunderstanding. I backed what ethnologue said that there is evidence current research is still going on even this year, so we cannot cite only ethnologue without comparing other resources. With this thread I did not put at the individual and I am enquiring about my situation which I am confused for.  How am I not allowed to find out so I am clear? The other two resouces are the ones I posted in the discussion which is to say there was nothing new. So there was no further complaints raised after my explanation. I did not cite a blog in this discussion. Ngunalik (talk) 00:42, 20 November 2023 (UTC)
 * @Ngunalik Here's the diff for the comment, and here's the concerning bits from your comment:
 * Some of these were brainstorm for what I said we should not ignore primary research going on in the Lango, Kumam areas especially recent ones which may not be in Ethnologue. If it is primary research, we do leave it out, at least until it has been reviewed and published in a journal.
 * Some of these are ongoing research like the first blog… You'd mentioned the blog previously, but again, blogs are not reliable sources.
 * …like what I had posted to you C.Fred e.g. another researcher also in the village of Kumam. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MJo4_Yq7WZo The video is first-hand, on-the-ground research and of limited value as a source.
 * Again, all of this leaves members of the community with the feeling that you do not have a solid grasp of WP:RS. —C.Fred (talk) 03:09, 20 November 2023 (UTC)
 * Then you have misunderstood me. That bottom statement was made before my explanation and I was invited to explain my reasoning why I brought these.
 * I responded that I sent this information to you especially the youtube one, before the current administration issue began, ONLY because of the danger of using Ethnologue database ALONE without using other PUBLISHED sources. We already have published sources which show that the grouping of this people and their language is not supposed to be as stated in ethnologue. My point is that things in the database of ethnologue can change because they admitted that they are open to corrections, we should not think they are on top of all the thousand of langauges. I did not cite it as a primary resource anywhere in wikipedia pages, what I cited in wikipedia was Uzoigwe, G. N. The beginnings of Lango society : a review of evidence. OCLC 38562622
 * I also cited an article in monitor which I have now noticed it has been deleted. These sources showed that the Lango and Kumam languages have a mixture of two different dialects due to Ateker origin and proximity with other Lwo groups. So I asked for feedback on my reply, did you see it? Bites had said we do not use primary resource at all in wikipedia; but one editor objected saying that it is not ture, because primary resource can be used on a limited capacity. So where is my fault on this? Ngunalik (talk) 06:40, 20 November 2023 (UTC)
 * I raised it as well that my other sources were deleted manually which is not good in my opinion. It is a case of someone accusing me that I only cited a travel guide yet it turns out they deleted the main resources I had relied on. They finally admitted to the community, as you can see below
 * @Babysharksboss2 other sources were also deleted apart from the travel guide which is what I am saying. There were other sources I quoted too apart from travel guide. Thanks Ngunalik (talk) 16:05, 15 November 2023 (UTC)
 * The other source was deleted because they were not credible sources that are used to justify your edits at Wikipedia. The source mentioned that Lango and Kumam have been influenced by Ateker languages and that there is ongoing research done to see if there is any connection between Lango and Kumam with the Ateker languages. Cookiemonster1618 (talk) 16:14, 15 November 2023 (UTC)
 * So they manually deleted vital resources because those resources would support my arguments but would not support their arguments. Is this allowed in wikipedia? That is why I am saying, if I am going to be blocked for contributing in a topic I need to be clear as to where I went wrong. Ngunalik (talk) 07:13, 20 November 2023 (UTC)

Apple Silicon 1 table consensus
I support for the one table version of the apple silicon page that is sourced and calculated as opposed to unproven numbers and not given any proof of said info in 2 table version and I'm sure others who put this table together the way it is the one table version would most agree, there's my argument wrong unproven info spread between 2 tables vs proven sourced info in 1 table, and I assume those numbers of the clock speeds of the memory, gpu , cpu, bandwidth etc etc were done by people who care before I even got here a few days ago so instead of being stubborn and sticking to wrong unproven info why not just admit you're wrong and let it be, just because your numbers are wrong doesn't mean some of you gotta be bitter about it just because some of you can't prove your claims and i can X3N0M0RPHX (talk) 13:55, 21 November 2023 (UTC)


 * @X3N0M0RPHX You'll need to make that argument on the article's talk page, assuming you have privileges to edit. —C.Fred (talk) 14:08, 21 November 2023 (UTC)

Your recent edit to North Greenville University‎ reverted a block-evading editor
Your recent edit to North Greenville University‎ reverted an edit by Crusader124 who is clearly this blocked editor. Can you please block their new account, too? They've also used 165.166.87.66 to evade their block, too. Thanks! ElKevbo (talk) 01:13, 23 November 2023 (UTC)


 * https://www.ngu.edu/title-ix/  ElKevbo keeps deleting relevant information from the Schools website. Could you please handle this properly! Thanks Crusader124 (talk) 01:16, 23 November 2023 (UTC)
 * @ElKevbo As an initial, break-glass measure, the article has been semi-protected to prevent all new/unregistered accounts from editing it.
 * @Crusader124 You'll need to gain consensus at the article's talk page. You'll need to cite reliable sources, not just the school's website. (What school would shoot itself in the foot by admitting it violates Title IX and cut itself off from federal funding? However, it is also reasonable to assume the school is not in full compliance with Executive Order 14021, in the absence of a secondary source attesting otherwise.) —C.Fred (talk) 01:23, 23 November 2023 (UTC)

Hey, I have been trying to link North Greenviles own statement about Title IX and it keeps getting deleted. I think this info is relevant becayse the web page claims that NGU discriminates and doesnt follow Title IX which is patenlty untrue if you read their website. https://www.ngu.edu/title-ix/   Crusader124 (talk)11/22 Crusader124 (talk) 01:21, 23 November 2023 (UTC)


 * @Crusader124 That's a matter for the article's talk page. As for your claim that their exemption to Title IX no longer applies, please provide the relevant website sections that address transgender students, students who receive abortions, married students, and students in same-sex relationships—the items over which they sought a Title IX exemption. —C.Fred (talk) 01:27, 23 November 2023 (UTC)

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Mountmellick Gaa
hello I would just like to let u know that there was past grounds at Smithfield and graigue house and I can give U sources and information and people who can verify this so I am going to correct this edit and if you would like to know where U got this information from I am from the area and I can provide reliable resources and people who can verify this information Budisgood (talk) 17:23, 29 November 2023 (UTC)


 * alo on the topic of their teams and colours I can provide links to oneills gaa website where their official jerseys are sold I can give you information on underage amalgamations and contact details of the club officers who can verify what the current amalgamations are and that sarsfields and na Fianna are past amalgamations
 * I am going to re do this edit and you can contact me about it if you are unsure if where this information is coming from Budisgood (talk) 17:27, 29 November 2023 (UTC)

Image
Hi, you just reverted my edit, but my question is, how has so?someone published the image even if it is non free? Red Round Thing (talk) 04:33, 2 December 2023 (UTC)


 * Hi @Red Round Thing, the file is already tagged with a unknown copyright status tag and will be deleted soon. See c:File:Mohammedshami.jpg Leoneix (talk) 08:33, 2 December 2023 (UTC)
 * @Red Round Thing Forbes India has permission—a license—from Getty Images to use the image in their news story and publish it on their website. Wikipedia does not have permission to use it: the image's license terms does not allow for free use. —C.Fred (talk) 13:32, 2 December 2023 (UTC)

Edit
Can I ask why you changed my edits on the Saliha(Salha) page? As someone from Salha, I know very well about my village. At least let me add that it was originally a Lebanese village before in the beginning and that Lebanese people still lived there when they made it part of Palestine… Salhaislebanese (talk) 01:39, 5 December 2023 (UTC)


 * @Salhaislebanese It's clear from your username that you do not have a neutral point of view about the subject. Further, reliable sources show that it was absorbed into Palestine from Lebanon. —C.Fred (talk) 01:41, 5 December 2023 (UTC)
 * You can edit it back if what I write is not a neutral POV? Yes that’s true, so what did I write that was wrong? It was absorbed into Palestine from Lebanon, but that doesn’t change the fact that everyone living there were Lebanese and that before that it was a Lebanese village… Salhaislebanese (talk) 01:48, 5 December 2023 (UTC)

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Hey. I'm getting duck and brother vibes from the current discussion. The language and phrase usage is the exact same as the original IP. It's clear that I am not their favourite. How do you view the current article content? What should happen moving forward? Would you advise anything for me? Should I step away? There will definitely need to be admin mediation as no doubt the original IP will return upon the expiration of the six-month ban. Thanks. DaHuzyBru (talk) 05:07, 6 December 2023 (UTC)


 * Replied in email. —C.Fred (talk) 13:31, 6 December 2023 (UTC)

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Why did you revert my edit?
I edited the page for the 2005 King Kong game, and you reverted my edit without explanation. Can you please tell me why? 2600:1006:B066:3AE6:8C86:F9BE:BF81:6BBF (talk) 19:12, 9 December 2023 (UTC)

Regarding your edits
This is regarding a wikipedia page: Bundelkhand Institute of Engineering & Technology

From past 10 years these were the notable alumni and was removed by someone to promote himself. Check previous history of past 10 years and share wikipedia standards regarding the same. You can also verify details from college authorities. 61.1.123.131 (talk) 19:07, 12 December 2023 (UTC)


 * None of them are notable people, though. If an article has a section on notable alumni, they need to actually be notable. —C.Fred (talk) 00:16, 13 December 2023 (UTC)

Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents
There is currently a discussion at Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents regarding an issue with which you may have been involved. Thank you. Sorry that you been drag into this. Bennyaha (talk) 23:13, 18 December 2023 (UTC)

Religion via twitter
You had objected to a newly-added BLP statement annotated simply as "according to her tweets", which the same editor has now reinstated with a cite to a website that discusses the issue but their only basis is again her tweets. The same idea has long been in the "Personal life and media image" section, with an actual cite/link to the tweet but tagged as needing non-primary source.

I don't have the bandwith right now to look any deeper. Is it worse to say it a second time? Maybe it should be nuked in both places? DMacks (talk) 06:00, 19 December 2023 (UTC)

/welwarn is showing up in "User talk pages with conflict of interest notices"
Hello Fred! I wanted to reach out to see if you were aware that User:C.Fred/welwarn is being placed in ? Came across it as an error in my bot's processing of that category. The SandDoctor Talk 06:46, 24 December 2023 (UTC)


 * @TheSandDoctor I'm not sure how that was happening. I don't see it in the category now, nor do I see what code would be placing the page in any category. —C.Fred (talk) 04:01, 25 December 2023 (UTC)

about my edit in Théniet El Had National Park
If you can undo so I can add the sources, from the official website archived. Also I live near that Forest, I have been visiting it each Fridays for more that 30 years, but I understand I will provide the source. Mystrixo (talk) 17:35, 27 December 2023 (UTC)


 * And I don't want to undo your revert out of respect :)
 * Here is the source:
 * [Https://web.archive.org/web/20081222141205/http://parcnationalthenietelhad.dz/articles/?c=flore https://web.archive.org/web/20081222141205/http://parcnationalthenietelhad.dz/articles/?c=flore] Mystrixo (talk) 19:22, 27 December 2023 (UTC)
 * @C.Fred it's been more than 24 hours without reply, If it's okay to undo the revert and add the source with all my respect. Mystrixo (talk) 16:56, 28 December 2023 (UTC)
 * @C.Fred it's been more than 48 hours, I will respectfully undo your revert and add source in the next 24 hours. Mystrixo (talk) 16:50, 29 December 2023 (UTC)

The Talk:Sanjay Govil debacle
The disruption reached a point where I felt compelled to semi-protect the page for a few days. A couple of seasoned proxies needed blocking, but I also dispatched JessOnAabaco, with whom you've had some "interaction", because their edits looked a lot like the those of the IPs. I can't help feeling a bit uneasy about it, though, so I'd be grateful if you could provide a second opinion. Best regards, Favonian (talk) 17:45, 29 December 2023 (UTC)


 * @Favonian Yeah, I've had a hunch that at least one of the IPs might be JessOnAabaco editing without logging in. I don't see a reason not to handle it as a sockpuppetry situation; or, if Jess wants to edit sincerely, they can read up on policies and make a proper unblock request. —C.Fred (talk) 02:03, 30 December 2023 (UTC)

Roddy Ricch image on article
Hello C.Fred, I am wondering why the picture of Roddy Ricch on his article keeps getting removed and I know it is you removing it, if you have a proper explanation of why you removed the image, feel free to let me know on my talk page, otherwise PLEASE stop removing the images. Thank you and have a nice day. DallMarl29-1035347 (talk) 18:27, 31 December 2023 (UTC)


 * Replied there with an explanation of NFCC. —C.Fred (talk) 18:41, 31 December 2023 (UTC)