User talk:C.J. Griffin/Archive 5

WikiProject Veganism and Vegetarianism

 * Hey, thanks for the invite, but I'm already a member.😁--C.J. Griffin (talk) 13:46, 6 August 2020 (UTC)

Removing cow-dog picture (discussion in Speciesism article)
Your opinion is sought here:. Rasnaboy (talk) 17:58, 6 August 2020 (UTC)
 * Okay. I’ll take a look and offer my opinion when time permits.--C.J. Griffin (talk) 22:24, 6 August 2020 (UTC)

Please see Naomi Klein article
Hi there, I note that you have worked on the Naomi Klein article in the past and I feel it would be helpful if you would take a look at a problem with giving her a "far left" label. I have opened a discussion on the TP. Thanks. Gandydancer (talk) 15:53, 25 September 2020 (UTC)

Victims of Communist Memorial Foundation
Could you please review those additions at Victims of Communism Memorial Foundation? I was reverted because "Remove POV WP:COATRACKing. Two of those sources do not mention the Foundation at all (WP:SYNTH), and one does so only in passing. Ghodsee is not WP:DUE here, and neither is talking about 'achievements under Communism' (to be neutral one would have to add details about the 'failures of Communism', but presenting POVs about Communism is not the purpose of this article). The 'death count' is mentioned, but so is the criticism of the count." My edit was no more synth than saying scholars have criticized the 100 million figure, saying numbers were inflated to reach the 100 million mark. The foundation is not mentioned either in given refs but it is relevant and provides context, as we should not give the impression this is a mainstream view in scholarship.

I fail to see how Ghodsee is undue or how it was POV-pushing. I believe it was actually making the article more NPOV because the article itself "details about the 'failures of Communism'" and there is no mention of this being a popular but fringe view. Finally, even if the organisation is not mentioned in the two refs I added (it is), the narrative it promotes certainly is and it was my understanding that the "victims of Communism" narrative name came from the organisation itself, so I thought it was relevant and worth adding. Hence, my edits were not synth and were actually following and improving NPOV. I also disagree that "Saying that some of the book's authors criticized it is confusing". It is not confusing but what actually happened, i.e. that some of the authors themselves criticised the book, not only for the estimates but in general for it whole narrative of Communism as the worst thing ever, even worse than Nazism. Maybe you could help in improving wording, perhaps removing the 'praising' of Communism even though that is relevant because she is saying the narrative itself completely ignores that, but I fail to see how it is synthesis or POV-pushing for the above reasons.

Since the organisation is mentioned and the name of the narrative (Victims of Communism) comes from this organisation, then I think it is very much relevant and due, not to debunk the theory or narrative, but just to show that it fails WP:RS/AC, i.e. that the theory of Communist mass killings, which the organisation hold and propagates, may be popular among anti-communist organisations, right-wing politicians and the population, but it is not supported by reliable sources or scholarship within academia, where it is fringe. I think the fact the latest thing is never mentioned is one of many reasons why so many users support that Mass killings under communist regimes is a mainstream view within academia and scholarship. Davide King (talk) 14:07, 23 November 2020 (UTC)
 * I think the best course of action is a rewrite of the material so that includes the VOCMF in order to avoid possible SYNTH issues. You point out above that the VOCMF is mentioned in both sources. Ghodsee and Sehon also discuss the VOCMF and its right-wing agenda in this article. Might be a good starting point.--C.J. Griffin (talk) 14:27, 23 November 2020 (UTC)
 * Thanks! How would you incorporate that with my version? You are free to try and see if it is not reverted. Davide King (talk) 09:04, 24 November 2020 (UTC)
 * Well, how about something like this:


 * "According to anthropologist Kristen Ghodsee, the Victims of Communism Memorial Foundation is a conservative anti-communist organization which seeks to equate communism with murder, such as by erecting billboards in Times Square which declare '100 years, 100 million killed' and 'Communism kills'. Ghodsee posits that the Foundation, along with counterpart conservative organizations in Eastern Europe, seeks to institutionalize the 'Victims of Communism' narrative as a double genocide theory, or the moral equivalence between the Nazi Holocaust (race murder) and the victims of communism (class murder). The 100 million estimate favored by the Foundation is dubious, Ghodsee notes, as their source for this is the controversial introduction to the The Black Book of Communism by Stéphane Courtois. She also says that this effort by anti-communist conservative organizations has intensified, in particular the recent push at the beginning of the global financial crisis for commemoration of the latter in Europe, and can be seen as the response by economic and political elites to fears of a leftist resurgence in the face of devastated economies and extreme inequalities in both the East and West as the result of the excesses of neoliberal capitalism. Ghodsee argues that that any discussion of the achievements under Communism, including literacy, education, women's rights, and social security is usually silenced, and any discourse on the subject of communism is focused almost exclusively on Stalin's crimes and the double genocide theory. According to Laure Neumayer, this is used as an anti-communist narrative 'based on a series of categories and figures' to 'denounce Communist state violence (qualified as 'Communist crimes', 'red genocide' or 'classicide') and to honour persecuted individuals (presented alternatively as 'victims of Communism' and 'heroes of anti totalitarian resistance').'"


 * Of course this would be the longest paragraph of the article, which could result in further reverts. EDIT: Here is a more condensed version, with minor rewrite:


 * "According to anthropologist Kristen Ghodsee, the Victims of Communism Memorial Foundation is a conservative anti-communist organization which seeks to equate communism with murder, such as by erecting billboards in Times Square which declare '100 years, 100 million killed' and 'Communism kills'. Ghodsee posits that the Foundation, along with counterpart conservative organizations in Eastern Europe, seeks to institutionalize the 'Victims of Communism' narrative as a double genocide theory, or the moral equivalence between the Nazi Holocaust (race murder) and the victims of communism (class murder). The 100 million estimate favored by the Foundation is dubious, Ghodsee notes, as their source for this is the controversial introduction to the The Black Book of Communism by Stéphane Courtois. She also argues that any discourse on the subject of communism from such entities and some governments in Eastern Europe is focused almost exclusively on Stalin's crimes and double genocide theory, while any discussion of the achievements under Communism, including literacy, education, women's rights, and social security, is usually ignored."


 * --C.J. Griffin (talk) 13:57, 24 November 2020 (UTC)

WP:ROLLBACKUSE
As a reminder, Rollback is only to be used for blatant vandalism, banned users, or widespread erroneous edits by a user. While I have nothing to say about the subject matter, this edit was a clear violation of that. No need to bite the newcomers, the least you could do is use an edit summary. EoRdE6(Come Talk to Me!) 21:22, 1 December 2020 (UTC)
 * Understood. I thought it was vandalism originally, but upon looking through the edit history I see it wasn’t. My mistake.--C.J. Griffin (talk) 22:04, 1 December 2020 (UTC)

Great Purge
Hi, I think you should self-revert. The lowest figure is not an estimate, it is an official figure of executed victims. Therefore, the statement is factually incorrect (it says "estimates range ..."). Actually by adding ridiculously low figures we create an opportunity for adding various inflated numbers, and undermine a credibility of the figures in general. By providing a narrow range, I emphasized the fact that the number of Great Purge victims has been relatively accurately established, which leaves less freedom for speculations ("we will never know for sure ..."). Do you really believe we need to undermine a credibility of the lowest and highest number?--Paul Siebert (talk) 20:09, 6 December 2020 (UTC)
 * Okay, but the IP who made the edits included a false edit summary that said "Fixed grammer". The IP did more than that, therefore it seemed reasonable to revert.--C.J. Griffin (talk) 20:41, 6 December 2020 (UTC)

Debate at Encomienda Article
Hi C.J. Griffin, I noticed that you've done a lot of work at Encomienda and Genocide of indigenous peoples in relation to sock editing on both pages and the question of Spanish Colonial genocide. I've done a lot to clean up Genocide of indigenous peoples and Spanish colonization of the Americas recently in relation to and in spite of a persistent sock editor whom I believe you originally dealt with on Encomienda and Genocide of Indigenous peoples. At this point, I'd like to clean up Encomienda and move on to other pages that I think are important. Do you think, given your previous editing history at these pages and with these sock accounts, you could spare a few minutes to take a look at current debate on Talk:Encomienda and offer an opinion about editing the page, esp. in relation to misleading and dishonest paraphrases? If not, I understand--I am just ready to be done, at least for a period, with persistent sock editing that denies colonial violence on well-trafficked pages.--Hobomok (talk) 19:47, 15 December 2020 (UTC)


 * This really isn't a good path to take, Hobomok. Casting aspersions and seeking support from other editors who you believe are sympathetic to your opinions are both clear violations of Wikipedia policies. As I suggested, if you have a dispute which cannot be reasonably solved through discussion of sources - we should take it to a relevant noticeboard or even arbitration. I didn't believe we were there yet, so I found this pretty shocking to read while I was assuming good faith when answering you on the talk page. I have to yet again humbly request you to stop associating me to sockpuppets of banned users, just as I avoid doing so with you. If you have any suspicions, you are welcome to request a user-check on me. Peace.Historian734 (talk) 20:19, 15 December 2020 (UTC)


 * Historian734 I'm seeing myself out of this, as I'm not going to argue on another user's talk page. I'll just say that aside from asking you directly on your own talk page about your affiliation with past socks, I have not casted any aspersions, here or otherwise. I came here to ask for feedback from someone familiar with the pages and debates in question. I'm no longer editing on the page(s) in question--the headache isn't worth my time. --Hobomok (talk) 21:08, 15 December 2020 (UTC)


 * Hobomok No please, I apologize if I offended you, don't see your way out. It is productive for the article for all of us to continue a discussion positively and in a friendly way. I got a bit exasperated with your interpretation of the Acuña-Soto source and you are quite deliberately taking this as a war against those who deny colonial violence - no one does! I think that if you tone it down a bit and become more flexible there is no reason why we can't all work together productively. It just requires being a slightly more objective and accepting of diversity in academic opinion. We all have to! Historian734 (talk) 21:33, 15 December 2020 (UTC)

Happy New Year!




 C.J. Griffin , Thanks for your contributions to Wikipedia, and a Happy New Year to you and yours! Rasnaboy (talk) 08:57, 31 December 2020 (UTC)


 * – Send New Year cheer by adding {{subst:Happy New Year}} to user talk pages.
 * Thank you so much, Rasnaboy! Happy New Year to you and yours as well!--C.J. Griffin (talk) 13:58, 31 December 2020 (UTC)

Environmental degradation
Hi CJ,

Thank you for your update to the environmental degradation article. I've recently begun some clean up on it as it's listed as a top importance article for wikiproject environment with a C rating. I was trying to start an overall "causes" section towards the top of the page and then list individual problems (water, soil, etc) beneath; however, I think where you added information also works. Since you're definitely more experienced than me, I just wanted to ask your opinion on a "causes" section or if you think it would be best to spread the causes beneath each problem. My reasoning, which I put on the talk page, is that the lede of the article used to have the I=PAT formula as agreed upon fact, when there is actually a lot of discussion over the formula, especially when Paul Ehlrich is the creator. Anyway, I would love to hear your thoughts if you have the time. Thank you,

Apathyash (talk) 23:27, 27 January 2021 (UTC)


 * I find the causes section somewhat problematic as it stands now. It seems to me to be less about the actual causes and more a rehashing the old debate over the I=PAT formula. The first sentence says "Ehlrich's theory continues to be heavily debated today," however the critics of the theory in the second paragraph comes from old sources from the 1990s, hardly "today." And it is also problematic that the text attributes the theory solely to Erhlich, as it was developed during a debate between Barry Commoner, Paul Ehrlich and John Holdren.


 * I would be okay with renaming/moving the current "causes" section or removing it and any discussion of the I=PAT formula altogether as I don't think this formula, and especially the criticism/debate surrounding it, should be featured so prominently in the article. Another idea is to include a link to the Wikipedia article I=PAT in the "See also" section, so readers can read about the formula and the debates surrounding it there, at least for the time being until it can be integrated into the body in a more constructive way.


 * That being said, I don't oppose the idea of a causes section, but such a section has the potential to become rather bloated. The article as it exists now needs some work and restructuring for sure.--C.J. Griffin (talk) 01:12, 28 January 2021 (UTC)

Help on Wikiproject Climate change project
Hi,

any chance you want to help out on increasing coverage and info on this ? Carbon sink upscaling additional info on carbon sink upscaling (missing info) --Genetics4good (talk) 16:36, 28 January 2021 (UTC)
 * I'll look into it.--C.J. Griffin (talk) 14:45, 31 January 2021 (UTC)

List of wars and anthropogenic disasters by death toll
Please go discuss with me in the talk section of the article about communist mass killings. Danielbr11 (talk) 15:03, 5 February 2021 (UTC)

Here i have posted about the situation on List of wars and anthropogenic disasters by death toll https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Administrators%27_noticeboard/Incidents#List_of_wars_and_anthropogenic_disasters_by_death_toll https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Dispute_resolution_noticeboard#List_of_wars_and_anthropogenic_disasters_by_death_toll:_Revision_history_discussion — Preceding unsigned comment added by Danielbr11 (talk • contribs) 20:53, 5 February 2021 (UTC)

Are you going to continue to blatantly ignore my 1 main scholarly peer reviewed source https://digitalcommons.liberty.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=1350&context=honors I’m going to continue escalating this so the admins see your blatant ignoranceDanielbr11 (talk) 05:33, 6 February 2021 (UTC)
 * Please refrain from posing stuff like this on my personal talk page when there is an ongoing discussion on the talk page of the subject at hand. Thank you.--C.J. Griffin (talk) 05:42, 6 February 2021 (UTC)

I am notifying you of my New post here https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Dispute_resolution_noticeboard#List_of_wars_and_anthropogenic_disasters_by_death_toll_2Danielbr11 (talk) 02:49, 7 February 2021 (UTC)

Notifying you of this arbitration Editing List of wars and anthropogenic disasters by death toll Danielbr11 (talk) 02:40, 9 February 2021 (UTC)
 * The case request mentioned here was removed as premature. For the Arbitration Committee, Dreamy Jazz talk to me &#124; my contributions 16:36, 9 February 2021 (UTC)

Criticism of Capitalism - "Counter"
In the Talk section of CoC, I have asked a question in regards to having "counter criticism" to the criticism in the article? I had moved it there from the main article due as part of a general clean up of the criticism section. What are your thoughts on the "Counter criticism" being included? I am not a big fan of it myself because If there is a counter to the crit. then why not a counter to the counter, and so forth and so on. TauGuys (talk) 18:37, 18 February 2021 (UTC)
 * It is interesting to note that Criticism of socialism includes no such section, although perhaps it should. Honestly I have no objection either way.--C.J. Griffin (talk) 13:56, 19 February 2021 (UTC)

Brazil
You don't know nothing about deforestation in Brazil. Go to the country to see the reality. Go walk there. Get out of your chair and live. Star Fiver (talk) 15:51, 20 March 2021 (UTC)
 * Please refrain from leaving unconstructive comments on my personal talk page and keep the discussion on the talk page of the article in question. Thank you.--C.J. Griffin (talk) 15:59, 20 March 2021 (UTC)

Partly constructive, partly disingenuous
I appreciate you taking the time to let me know that the sources were looked upon as having undue weight. That is completely fair and I appreciate you bringing that to my attention.

However, I made it clear in my edit summary that the sources were listed as no consensus. I also added that if someone were to change it, as a show of good faith, they should have acknowledged that the sources were no consensus and no something along the lines as unreliable. Listing it as terrible sourcing is inappropriate. I will be putting the edits back up until you apologize and acknowledge that they were no consensus sources. That was rude. Updatewithfacts (talk) 00:29, 2 June 2021 (UTC)

Revert on United States
Hi, I was wondering if your revert was intended to also revert my revision. It looks like your edit summary referred to this discussion, so I'm not sure. SWinxy (talk) 23:35, 24 August 2021 (UTC)
 * No, I did not intend to revert this, just restore the material that was part of the discussion and related RfC now archived. Sorry about that.--C.J. Griffin (talk) 23:48, 24 August 2021 (UTC)
 * Thanks for the clarification! Have a good one. SWinxy (talk) 00:03, 25 August 2021 (UTC)

Copying within Wikipedia requires attribution
Thank you for your contributions to Wikipedia. It appears that you copied or moved text from one or more pages into Human overpopulation. While you are welcome to re-use Wikipedia's content, here or elsewhere, Wikipedia's licensing does require that you provide attribution to the original contributor(s). When copying within Wikipedia, this is supplied at minimum in an edit summary at the page into which you've copied content, disclosing the copying and linking to the copied page, e.g.,. It is good practice, especially if copying is extensive, to also place a properly formatted copied template on the talk pages of the source and destination. Please provide attribution for this duplication if it has not already been supplied by another editor, and if you have copied material between pages before, even if it was a long time ago, you should provide attribution for that also. You can read more about the procedure and the reasons at Copying within Wikipedia. Thank you. — Diannaa (talk) 15:30, 23 October 2021 (UTC)
 * Okay, noted. I did provide in the edit summary that this move of material between pages, with significant modifications, was discussed on the talk page of Overshoot (population), which apparently was insufficient.--C.J. Griffin (talk) 15:48, 23 October 2021 (UTC)

Hi
I vaguely remember running into your edits over a decade ago and recall you were quite the anti-communist. I randomly stumbled upon your profile again today and noted that you seem to be a libertarian socialist now. If you don't mind me asking what led to your changes in political views?--124.168.16.23 (talk) 19:43, 24 October 2021 (UTC)
 * Yeah, my worldview has evolved over the last decade, for a variety of reasons, and given that some of those reasons are personal I really don't want to elaborate on them here at my talk page. Sorry about that. One of the reasons I added the Zinn quote to my userpage was to kind of help answer this question for those editors who have been following my edits since the beginning.--C.J. Griffin (talk) 14:18, 25 October 2021 (UTC)
 * No worries and completely understandable. I am a big fan of Zinn and Chomsky too. Keep up with the good work here.--124.168.16.23 (talk) 19:31, 25 October 2021 (UTC)

Comunism Propaganda Enver Hoxha
Hello, I want to ask you why you insist in deleting the words 'Dictator', 'Dictatorship' and other acronyms from the article of Enver Hoxha (the known dictator of Albania). You always change it to other generic words as leader or revolutionary. You could look at him as such only in a communist perspective. Meaning that he has been the leader of the communist party and of albania at some point in history, but he was not elected by the people (without counting voting during his dictatorship), he imprisoned or/and killed wrongfully many people that disagree this the communist party.

So my question is: why you insist in deleting the word dictator from his page. Wikipedia although not reliable is a source that the majority of people rely upon. Therefore it should be as true as possible.

Best,

Soni — Preceding unsigned comment added by 93.71.52.189 (talk) 08:30, 25 October 2021 (UTC)
 * Because such edits are often done by WP:SPA's and anonymous IP's who never provide edit summaries, citations or any discussion on talk, like the most recent example I reverted here. Like it or not, the version I restored is the long-standing consensus version, which I would consider to be WP:NPOV.--C.J. Griffin (talk) 14:12, 25 October 2021 (UTC)

Regarding the long standing consensus, i must say that you have been changing these terms on wikipedia continuously(Dictator, Dictatorship, ecc) therefore many people have tried to correct the article, giving a more precise description of a totalitarian leader. Therefore the consensus is the opposite of your opinion, but you have a lot of free time apparently. I must say that by the way that you responded it might be difficult for you to change your mind on your convictions, even if wrong ones.

Writing that Enver Hoxha was not a dictator but just a leader like many before and after him, is the less neutral you could be. Now i know you just delete one word and put an other but you intend to separate Enver Hoxha from the fact that he was a dictator.

P.S. I obviously presume that your intentions are neutral. Even though, by looking at your page and history, you clearly have communist ideology tendency. This is somehow ironic being that you are from the United States of America. I believe that someone that is communist from a country like yours is because hey don't understand the meaning of living under a totalitarian regime. Under a non totalitarian regime life is not easy, but i assure you that the word 'dictator' has intrinsic meaning that you probably don't appreciate. I am obviously from Albania. My grand-grandparents died and where imprisoned without having done nothing wrong. So i understand the meaning of life under such regime. Its something that no wikipedia page could ever explain.

Still, i wish you all the best.

Soni — Preceding unsigned comment added by 93.71.52.189 (talk) 19:27, 25 October 2021 (UTC)
 * I agree, and sorry to hear about your great-grandparents. Biased users like Mr. Griffin is why Wikipedia is so hated, and the majority of Americans wish people like him would go live in the communist countries and leave the rest of us alone.2600:1700:EDC0:3E80:7D6C:750D:271:7540 (talk) 19:07, 14 June 2022 (UTC)

Why
Why did you remove my edit for Democratic Socialists of America? They're communists, wide range of evidence shows. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2601:589:4900:F750:883E:A4D4:9DBA:F589 (talk) 17:37, 24 November 2021 (UTC)
 * No. They are a multi-tendency, “big tent” Democratic socialist organization with eco-socialist and libertarian socialist caucuses as well. Emphasis on one caucus in the info box is wildly undue and blatant POV pushing. Take it to the talk page of that article if you want it changed, per WP:BRD.--C.J. Griffin (talk) 17:43, 24 November 2021 (UTC)

American Party of Labor page deletion
Nothing satisfies that particular editor ("Chess"). He's stated that he's on a campaign to rid Wikipedia of "Tankie fan clubs." I.e. Entries on communist groups. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Visigoth500 (talk • contribs) 22:26, 20 December 2021 (UTC)


 * The only thing that will satisfy me are sources satisfying WP:SIRS. Chess (talk) (please use&#32; on reply) 02:26, 24 December 2021 (UTC)

Ethics of eating meat
Hello! Wanted to talk about a statement on the "Ethics of eating meat" page, which stated, "One study found that approximately 60% of contemporary professional ethicists consider it 'morally bad' to eat meat from mammals." That study is pretty limited. It was a survey of just 1000 people in the US (not an international survey) and only 58% responded. That's a pretty small sample size. As such, I think it's a bit of an overstatement to use it to imply that 60% of contemporary professional ethicists consider it 'morally bad' to eat meat. Additionally, the ethicists didn't even state that it is "morally bad" to eat meat. On a scale of 1 to 9 that asked whether it was “very morally bad” or “very morally good” to eat meat, 60% were slightly more towards the "bad" side. That doesn't mean that 60% think eating meat is, in fact, morally bad. If you read it and think differently, I'd be happy to discuss how the findings can be included in a way that is more clear and accurate. Best! :) Dax Kirk (talk) 04:59, 25 December 2021 (UTC)
 * Also, just adding a quick note to say that I tried to outline the (kind of extensive) changes I made on the talk page of that article. Happy to discuss this matter there so others can weigh in, if you think that's more fitting. Apologies. I'm kind of new, so not 100% on proper procedures and such. Dax Kirk (talk) 05:07, 25 December 2021 (UTC)
 * I have no issues with the removal of that study.--C.J. Griffin (talk) 05:24, 25 December 2021 (UTC)

Monbiot addition
The Monbiot article was added two commits before your addition to Don't Look Up and is about two lines below on the page. Just letting you know. Am off to fix up the duplicated material. With best wishes RobbieIanMorrison (talk) 23:46, 4 January 2022 (UTC)
 * Oh I didn't see it. Sorry about that.--C.J. Griffin (talk) 00:01, 5 January 2022 (UTC)

Happy Wiki-joining day
 Happy First Edit Day! Have a very happy first edit anniversary!

From the Birthday Committee, Rasnaboy (talk) 03:44, 26 January 2022 (UTC) Though I'm not a member of the so-called Birthday Committee, I take the pleasure of wishing you on this memorable day. Pleasure working with you, pal. Glad to know you. :) Rasnaboy (talk) 03:44, 26 January 2022 (UTC)
 * Thank you, Rasnaboy. The feeling is mutual.--C.J. Griffin (talk) 03:46, 26 January 2022 (UTC)

Jakarta


Cambial — foliar❧ has bought you a whisky! Sharing a whisky is a great way to bond with other editors after a day of hard work. Spread the WikiLove by buying someone else a whisky, whether it be someone with whom you have collaborated or had disagreements. Enjoy!

Greetings from London! I think we crossed paths on Jakarta Method a while back. I just noticed you did most of the heavy lifting (from which as you saw I just pilfered your sources) on the Indonesia genocide page itself. Nice job; it's sterling work. Cheers. Spread the good cheer and camaraderie by adding WikiScotch to their talk page with a friendly message. Message received at 16:13, 30 January 2022 (UTC)
 * Thanks! The Indonesian massacres have been a strong interest of mine ever since I wrote a research paper on the subject at university nearly a decade ago now. And it was the film The Act of Killing that sparked my interest in the topic to begin with.--C.J. Griffin (talk) 16:59, 30 January 2022 (UTC)

Hello sir
My apologies, but how is my edit on the holocene extinction adding another nickname "the sixth extinction" not count? I ask out of curiosity. Firekong1 (talk) 18:00, 5 February 2022 (UTC)
 * Regarding this revert, there is no need to include all variations of these specific titles, otherwise the lead sentence will become a bloated mess of redundancies. Sixth mass extinction and sixth extinction are essentially the same thing. As another example, it would be just as inappropriate to include both Anthropocene extinction and Anthropocene mass extinction.--C.J. Griffin (talk) 18:05, 5 February 2022 (UTC)

Alright, thank you. I just hope you understand that I have no intention of vandalism, and that it was only a misunderstanding on my part. Firekong1 (talk) 19:02, 5 February 2022 (UTC)
 * No problem. I characterized your additions as WP:goodfaith edits in my summary when I reverted, so it was apparent to me that your edits did not constitute vandalism.--C.J. Griffin (talk) 21:53, 5 February 2022 (UTC)

Thanks! Got any advice on how to avoid such a mistake for future references? Firekong1 (talk) 17:55, 6 February 2022 (UTC)
 * Here is a guide that might be helpful: WP:CTW. Cheers and good luck.--C.J. Griffin (talk) 03:45, 7 February 2022 (UTC)

Much obliged, sir! Firekong1 (talk) 17:28, 7 February 2022 (UTC)

Your edit to Chris Hedges
Russia Today and Vladimir Putin thank you for your service. &mdash; goethean 22:28, 3 March 2022 (UTC)
 * Excuse me? The Chris Hedges article is a WP:BLP, and per BLP guidelines I removed some material which was blatant editorializing (see #2 of WP:BLPREMOVE: "is an original interpretation or analysis of a source") and rewrote the rest to present a more balanced assessment of his views on this conflict, based on the concluding remarks in the piece he wrote. Your version could give readers the impression that Hedges is a propagandist for the Putin regime, which is wildly undue and false.--C.J. Griffin (talk) 04:40, 4 March 2022 (UTC)
 * How do you know that it is false that Hedges is a Putin propagandist? Do you have any evidence for this contention? It is almost certain that there are Western journalists who receive money from Putin's regime, and Hedges' material is often indistinguishable from Kremlin material. &mdash; goethean 15:37, 7 March 2022 (UTC)
 * Because there is no evidence that he is, and the onus would be on you to present evidence from reliable sources that this is the case. What we do know is that Hedges has been a notable public intellectual, journalist and writer for decades, and has written on a whole variety of topics from a socialist perspective, most recently on the prison-industrial complex and his work as a teacher in East Jersey State Prison. I highly doubt this was all a ruse to obfuscate his secret role as a paid mouthpiece for some tinpot authoritarian in the Kremlin. You claim his material "is often indistinguishable from Kremlin material," yet he condemned Russia's actions as a crime in the piece you linked to originally, stating that "the invasion of Ukraine, under post-Nuremberg laws, is a criminal war of aggression," which you omitted in your original edit to his article and I corrected. By your logic, just about anyone who is a prominent critic of global capitalism, Western imperialism or more specifically NATO expansion can be considered a possible agent of the Kremlin, which of course would be ridiculous. One can be critical of the military-industrial complex, NATO expansion and of Russia's actions at the same time, and not simply buy into or promote simplistic comic book-style narratives of good versus evil proliferating throughout mainstream media and social media, which seems to have broken people's brains.--C.J. Griffin (talk) 16:37, 7 March 2022 (UTC)
 * And yet you had to come running to his rescue when I **directly quoted** his published material so that it would not appear to support the Putin regime. &mdash; goethean 16:51, 7 March 2022 (UTC)
 * I promptly fixed your **selective quoting** of Hedges and your **blatant editorializing** to erroneously frame him as a mouthpiece for Putin without direct evidence, which was a violation of BLP.--C.J. Griffin (talk) 17:56, 7 March 2022 (UTC)
 * My selective quoting of an entire paragraph which could easily have come straight from the Kremlin. &mdash; goethean 18:33, 7 March 2022 (UTC)
 * A paragraph on a very specific topic and taken out of context. This is why I replaced it with the concluding paragraph which better reflects his actual views in proper context: NATO expansion served as a provocation; nevertheless, Russia's invasion constitutes a "criminal war of aggression"; and most importantly, the conflict must cease, with a "moratorium on arms shipments to Ukraine and the withdrawal of Russian troops from the country," to avoid a possible nuclear holocaust. I can't imagine this is something a paid agent of the Kremlin would say publicly. Looking over the article, Hedges strong anti-war views stand above everything else, as paragraphs two through ten mention nothing about NATO, the West or Russia, but are an elaboration on the horrors he has seen as a war correspondent for two decades (Hence the title: "War is the greatest evil"). I am amazed that anyone could read the entire article and come away with the view that Hedges is merely a paid Russian stooge.--C.J. Griffin (talk) 20:43, 7 March 2022 (UTC)
 * Likewise, I am amazed that anyone still falls for his unbelievably tired shtick of the peaceloving hippy who pretends not to be able to differentiate between an invading army which is bombing villages and Nato. In this, he joins other supposedly 'radical leftist' Putin lovers such as Snowden, Taibbi, Greenwald, and Jill Stein. Due to the persistent market of moronic hipsters for their ridiculous bullshit, they have all made comfortable careers selling their inability to distinguish between Western democracy and fascist regimes. &mdash; goethean 14:08, 8 March 2022 (UTC)
 * We can keep going around and around like this, although I don’t see the point as others have edited the Hedges article and removed the blockquote but kept his view of the conflict in proper context. I'd say the article is better for it.--C.J. Griffin (talk) 20:10, 8 March 2022 (UTC)

Why are these links "inappropriate"??
That is, the links listed under Advocacy organisations. Makes no sense to remove them. If there are no Wikipedia pages to link to, there is no other choice than using external links. I will put them back unless you have really compelling reasons to remove them. Peteruetz (talk) 19:30, 7 May 2022 (UTC)
 * External links should not be included in the body of an article unless used in a citation. See WP:ELLIST and #2 in WP:ELPOINTS.--C.J. Griffin (talk) 03:32, 8 May 2022 (UTC)

Thank you!
Much appreciate your restoring the 1970s-1980s passages in "United States" that I dropped. This was done inadvertently, and I didn't see my error. Mason.Jones (talk) 16:33, 17 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Hey, no problem! Mistakes happen. I figured it could have been an error because it made no sense to remove that material.--C.J. Griffin (talk) 17:31, 17 July 2022 (UTC)

RFC on Modern Taino Identity
I'd appreciate your input on this topic to resolve some long disputed issues about modern Taino movements. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Taíno#Request_for_Comment_on_Modern_Taino_Identity Poketama (talk) 01:32, 6 August 2022 (UTC)
 * I’ll look into it when time permits.--C.J. Griffin (talk) 17:39, 6 August 2022 (UTC)

Answering your change summary question.
My keyboard seized up (cat and keyboard in one device! whee!) and I didn't notice. The Crab Who Played With The Sea (talk) 16:25, 6 August 2022 (UTC)
 * Ah, okay. Thanks for clarifying.--C.J. Griffin (talk) 17:36, 6 August 2022 (UTC)

Feedback on Homelessness in the United States
Hi C.J. Griffin! I saw that you made some contributions a while ago on the Homelessness in the United States article. I have recently made some edits and would really appreciate it if you could give me some feedback on things to improve on. EEmenike (talk) 02:35, 8 November 2022 (UTC)

2022 Peruvian Coup attempt edit
while the source says "rebellion", it would be appropriate to define castillo acts as a treason to the constitution. rebellion has a similar definition however usually begins from a much lower position, while he was a head of state under oath, hence why treason — Preceding unsigned comment added by VosleCap (talk • contribs) 16:08, 19 December 2022 (UTC)
 * We go by what the cited sources say, not what we personally think it should be.--C.J. Griffin (talk) 16:10, 19 December 2022 (UTC)

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Meat
You restored obsolete info and cites of low-quality primary sources. You deleted current info and cites of high-quality secondary sources. !? sbelknap (talk) 08:11, 20 December 2022 (UTC)


 * sbelknap see recent edits on the talk-page of red meat, you have been adding meat industry funded research from low-carb advocates. None of your edits are neutral. You also removed the entire cancer section when that section is well sourced. The World Health Organization and many other cancer organizations have classified processed meat as carcinogenic and red meat as probably carcinogenic . You cannot remove this as low-quality. Psychologist Guy (talk) 12:45, 20 December 2022 (UTC)

thanks
You were pretty fast fixing my typo- you got to it just as I was correcting. 00:04, 25 December 2022 (UTC) J JMesserly (talk) 00:04, 25 December 2022 (UTC)
 * You're welcome. Guess I was surfing my watchlist at just the right time. Enjoy the holiday.--C.J. Griffin (talk) 00:18, 25 December 2022 (UTC)