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Merritt Parkway
Hey, I like the solution of making a template for the Merritt Parkway and Route 15 exit lists, can you put a link in the source to editing the template? Smith0124 (talk) 12:53, 28 January 2020 (UTC)
 * Thanks, there's a navbar header at the top of the table. &mdash; C16SH (speak up) 16:59, 28 January 2020 (UTC)

Response to edits
Thank you for trying to provide the public with the most accurate history of the Manhattan el' lines and other topics. I apologise for my contributions and if they seemed to damage the repute of the pages regarding the el' lines as that was not my intention. I did not see any harm in contributing hypothetical bullets for el' service as I felt that they would hep the reader to better visualise what the actual service patterns of those lines were and would be if still runningBlake McNamara (talk) 05:42, 2 February 2020 (UTC). However, I completely understand your reasoning for removing my contributions. Blake McNamara (talk) 05:42, 2 February 2020 (UTC) Blake McNamara (2/2/2020)
 * No problem, thanks for your edits to the station listings on those pages. The main difference between those edits and your shields is that one is correcting facts in history, while the other is a hypothetical visualization. Wikipedia an encyclopedia (as the first pillar states), which is not the same thing as a platform for individual opinions and ideas. &mdash; C16SH (speak up) 06:03, 2 February 2020 (UTC)

Anonymous User
The anonymous user with the IP address 67.87.197.43 needs to be reported. He/she is a vandal and I'm tired of having to undo his/her edits and I'm sure you are too. Smith0124 (talk) 05:41, 2 February 2020 (UTC)
 * Agreed, the IP's behavior is definitely not productive for either of us! I think it might be disruptive editing as opposed to vandalism, since the edits are in theory constructive but ignore longstanding policies (as opposed to blanking pages, adding random stuff, etc.). But I think could warrant an ANI or other administrative action... &mdash; C16SH (speak up) 06:12, 2 February 2020 (UTC)

Greenbelt–Twinbrook Line
Hi. Thank you for creating templates for Metrobus routes such as you did for the Mount Pleasant and Connecticut Avenue lines. Much appreciated. If it's not too much a bother, would you mind making one for the Greenbelt–Twinbrook Line? I'd do it myself, but I wasn't sure how. Thanks for your time. Bohemian Baltimore (talk) 17:19, 27 February 2020 (UTC)
 * Sure thing, I've been meaning to jump back into the Metrobus wikispace – don't know exactly when though! &mdash; C16SH (speak up) 17:10, 29 February 2020 (UTC)

List of bus routes in San Diego
Better! Incidentally, I don't oppose putting the bus line terminuses into separate columns. But I don't think overall table needed "splitting", and we definitely need to be careful with any rowspan that violates MOS:ACCESS... Thanks! --IJBall (contribs • talk) 19:17, 13 April 2020 (UTC)
 * Cool. I see rowspan everywhere, what about it violates MOS:ACCESS? &mdash; C16SH (speak up) 19:23, 13 April 2020 (UTC)
 * I've gotten this question repeatedly over the years, so these days I usually just point people to my Talk page archives (search for "WP:ACCESS" or "MOS:ACCESS") – this discussion is probably one of the clearer ones... But many (most?) of the transit tables use 'rowspan' in ways that violate MOS:ACCESS (I just had to fix List of Bay Area Rapid Transit stations, which is a WP:FL, on this score...), and nearly all of the WP:DISCOGRAPHY tables on Wikipedia are completely wrong on this. The place where there's been a most concerted effort to properly follow 'rowspan' use in terms of MOS:ACCESS is WP:FILMOGRAPHY tables and 'Awards' tables, but even here there are IP editors that insist on doing it wrong. --IJBall (contribs • talk) 19:29, 13 April 2020 (UTC)
 * Thanks, I will take a look. &mdash; C16SH (speak up) 20:07, 13 April 2020 (UTC)

Temporary coronavirus service adjustments
Per WP:NOTTRAVEL, exact current status of services are unneeded. We should list the normal terminals, not tells temperature ones. Please revert the changes you made today. oknazevad (talk) 19:28, 1 May 2020 (UTC)
 * Thanks for pointing that out, I'll revise. &mdash; C16SH (speak up) 19:41, 1 May 2020 (UTC)

Track changes
Hi C16sh - I tried pinging you, but it seemed it didn't work. At Scarborough station (Metro-North), why have track numbers changed? And unless something has changed, the streetside track goes north to Poughkeepsie, riverside track south to GCT, as shown by platform signage photos on Commons, etc. I think you changed things up on the Ossining station too, and perhaps the whole line? ɱ (talk) 23:21, 1 May 2020 (UTC)
 * Yes, I flipped the orientation of the layouts to match the direction of the infobox services. The entire Empire Corridor has north/west going to the left, but the layouts were previously oriented in the opposite direction. The track numbers haven't changed (Track 4, heading to GCT, is closer to the river), just the orientation. &mdash; C16SH (speak up) 00:15, 2 May 2020 (UTC)
 * Okay well if you wanted to flip it you could, but you'd have to change more. Right now it shows the riverside track going north to Poughkeepsie, which is simply not true. If there's no way to fix this, just revert, as it's much better to not list false information for the sake of consistency. ɱ  (talk) 01:01, 2 May 2020 (UTC)
 * not sure what you mean by false information. The Scarborough diagram depicts "left" as north. It's like page 8 of this reference but rotate the page 180 degrees. What more needs to be changed? &mdash; C16SH (speak up) 01:28, 2 May 2020 (UTC)


 * Maybe you overlooked it, but it has "Street level	Exit/entrance and parking". The tracks on that side go to Croton-Harmon, not Grand Central. ɱ  (talk) 02:20, 2 May 2020 (UTC)
 * I haven't been interpreting "Street level" is the same thing as the location of the street. Maybe I'm wrong, but when I see "Street level" in the same rowspan as the platforms it means that the street and platform are on the same level (as opposed to the tracks running under the street in an open cut or something like that). If "Street level" is the location of the street relative to the platforms, wouldn't you have to have it on either side of the platforms at Irvington and countless other stations? &mdash; C16SH (speak up) 03:25, 2 May 2020 (UTC)
 * This seems to be a more significant issue worth discussing with others. As far as I've ever seen, the 'street level' area always corresponds with the entrances/exits, and other amenities, as can be seen on the Ossining station article as well. For Scarborough, it's especially a big deal, because the 'street level' indicated now is actually a rocky shoreline many feet below the platform, with no "Exit/entrance and parking" available there! ɱ  (talk) 03:59, 2 May 2020 (UTC)
 * Sure, In the meantime I'll take another look at the line and see if there are any other examples. But do you think "Street level" should be listed twice if there are two points of exit/entry? To me, that seems like "Exit/entrance" should be listed twice not "street level" -- guess that's something ponder over. Scarborough is such a peculiar station, I always thought it was interesting how the southbound platform is essentially on the rocks and your photos do a good job of showcasing that. &mdash; C16SH (speak up) 04:57, 2 May 2020 (UTC)

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WMATA color
See my change to. It wasn't necessary to recreate. Best, Mackensen (talk) 19:30, 14 May 2020 (UTC)
 * thanks I'll nominate the recreated template for deletion. &mdash; C16SH (speak up) 00:00, 15 May 2020 (UTC)

WMATA links
I would recommend leaving the commons category out of WMATA links. It's situation-dependent whether commons category or commons category inline fits better, so it's probably best to have it separate. Cheers, Pi.1415926535 (talk) 05:16, 24 May 2020 (UTC)
 * Fine by me, how does the situation differ between those two templates? &mdash; C16SH (speak up) 05:20, 24 May 2020 (UTC)
 * If the infobox is longer than the text (Prince George's Plaza station, for example), then the inline template should be used because the regular template will be awkwardly below the infobox. If there is separation (College Park–University of Maryland station, for example, where I just swapped it), then using the regular template will reduce the amount of whitespace in the external links section. Cheers, Pi.1415926535 (talk) 21:39, 24 May 2020 (UTC)
 * Also, the inline template doesn't really need a bullet - I think it looks fine without it. And one other case, for reference, though not relevant to WMATA stations: if there aren't any external links (Wayland station, for example), then always use the inline template. Cheers, Pi.1415926535 (talk) 21:45, 24 May 2020 (UTC)

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It might be easier to list the abandoned right-of-way by East 34th as just "Conrail", since B&O, EL, and NYC all separated between East 34th and East 55th.  Cards   84664   18:16, 28 May 2020 (UTC)
 * I dunno how you want to format it, but Brookpark to West 117th needs ← services do not stop here → .   Cards   84664   19:05, 28 May 2020 (UTC)

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Amtrak nonstop parameter
Do the services at Hammond–Whiting station look fine or cluttered to you?  Cards   84664   15:38, 28 May 2020 (UTC)
 * It certainly looks a little odd considering more trains pass through rather than stop at the station, but I think it's a fine way to represent the activity that goes on at the station. &mdash; C16SH (speak up) 16:54, 28 May 2020 (UTC)
 * My edit got reverted at Hammond-Whiting, if discussion is something to pursue, I suggest you do it.  Cards   84664   20:30, 4 June 2020 (UTC)

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Bay Ridge Branch
Also and  I'm a bit confused by Template:Bay Ridge Branch, was there actually an underground LIRR station near Bushwick Avenue–Aberdeen Street?  Cards   84664   21:23, 2 September 2021 (UTC)
 * , there was a station at Bushwick Avenue, between Desales and Aberdeen Streets. It wasn't called Bushwick-Aberdeen though. Epicgenius (talk) 22:17, 2 September 2021 (UTC)
 * Was it closed before the tunnel was built?  Cards   84664   15:15, 3 September 2021 (UTC)
 * For this, I am not sure. I would have to check, but passenger service had ended by 1924. I know ENY was placed in a tunnel before then, but I don't know about Bushwick Ave. – Epicgenius (talk) 15:23, 3 September 2021 (UTC)

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