User talk:C1ue

Hello, C1ue. We welcome your contributions, but if you have an external relationship with the people, places, or things you have written about in the article Ventura Enterprise Risk Management, you may have a conflict of interest (COI). Editors with a COI may be unduly influenced by their connection to the topic, and it is important when editing Wikipedia articles that such connections be completely transparent. See the conflict of interest guideline and FAQ for organizations for more information. In particular, we ask that you please:


 * avoid editing or creating articles related to you and your family, friends, school, company, club, or organization, as well as any competing companies' projects or products;
 * instead, you are encouraged to propose changes on the Talk pages of affected article(s) (see the request edit template);
 * when discussing affected articles, disclose your COI (see WP:DISCLOSE);
 * avoid linking to the Wikipedia article or to the website of your organization in other articles (see WP:SPAM);
 * exercise great caution so that you do not violate Wikipedia's content policies.

In addition, you must disclose your employer, client, and affiliation with respect to any contribution for which you receive, or expect to receive, compensation (see WP:PAID).

Please take a few moments to read and review Wikipedia's policies regarding conflicts of interest, especially those pertaining to neutral point of view, sourcing and autobiographies. Thank you. Melcous (talk) 02:21, 9 December 2016 (UTC)

Hi Melcous,

Thanks for the pointers. The page was created on the template which I saw a different cyber security company - Vormetric - and I did try hard to both show links and be purely factual. I am one of the founders of Ventura - not sure how I should disclose that? Should I sign the post?
 * Thanks for your reply. In the list above, the third dot point links to WP:DISCLOSE which tells you how to do so on the article's talk page. If you're still not sure, leave a message here letting me know and I can add the correct template for you if you'd prefer. Also, when you leave a message on a talk page like you have here, please "sign" it by including four tildes (this symbol ~) at the end. Thanks, Melcous (talk) 14:50, 9 December 2016 (UTC)

Melcous, thank you for the info. I will certainly attempt to do so, but the page has apparently already been deleted. I am in the process of inquiring with the person who performed the deletion.
 * Ah, sorry, yes I've actually just seen that the article has been deleted so you won't be able to add the connected contributor disclosure. If you want to try to create the article again, I would recommend you start with a DRAFT instead - this means you can work on it over time and make sure you have the required references etc, and others can give you feedback or help, and then it will be reviewed by an independent editor who will decide if it is ready to be published - it is much less likely to be deleted if you follow that process. You should still disclose your conflict of interest on the talk page of the draft. Cheers, Melcous (talk) 14:53, 9 December 2016 (UTC)

Re: Question on deletion of Ventura Enterprise Risk Management
Hi C1ue -- I'm sure you understand that Wikipedia isn't a company directory, so not all companies are considered sufficiently notable for inclusion. See Notability (organizations and companies) for the relevant guidelines. DGG, a highly experienced admin in this area, and I both considered that the article on Ventura Enterprise Risk Management was far from meeting those guidelines. Basically what is needed is in-depth coverage of the company (not its employees) in multiple reliable sources that are independent of the company (not just press releases or casual mentions). Books, national newspapers, magazines or specialist journals are ideal sources. If you would like, I'd be willing to restore the article to draftspace for you to work on it further, and then submit it for consideration via the Articles for Creation service, but in my judgement it would be unlikely to be accepted at this time. DGG might be able to provide some more specific advice. As Melcous advised, you should also read the guidelines on how to deal with your conflict of interest. Hope this is of assistance, Espresso Addict (talk) 20:14, 9 December 2016 (UTC)


 * , the major specific problem is that the only references were not about the company, but about the general method which the company uses. It was not developed by the company, and does not seem to have any connection with it,. You need references providing substantial coverage from third-party independent reliable sources, not press releases or mere announcements that are directly about the company,  DGG ( talk ) 00:13, 10 December 2016 (UTC)