User talk:C3pkeogh

A tag has been placed on CSC (Check Shoe Crew), requesting that it be speedily deleted from Wikipedia. This has been done because the article seems to be about a person, group of people, band, club, company, or web content, but it does not indicate how or why the subject is notable: that is, why an article about that subject should be included in an encyclopedia. Under the criteria for speedy deletion, articles that do not assert the subject's importance or significance may be deleted at any time. Please see the guidelines for what is generally accepted as notable.

If you feel that you can assert the notability of the subject, you may contest the deletion. To do this, add  on the top of the page (just below the existing speedy deletion or "db" tag) and leave a note on the article's talk page explaining your position. Please do not remove the speedy deletion tag yourself, but don't hesitate to add information to the article that would confirm the subject's notability under Wikipedia guidelines.

For guidelines on specific types of articles, you may want to check out our criteria for biographies, for web sites, for bands, or for companies. Feel free to leave a note on my talk page if you have any questions about this. Darkbane 19:23, 12 May 2007 (UTC)

Re: Recent deletion of csc page
A page I recently created has just been deleted by you, I entered my resons for creating the page and recieved no reply. Could you tell me the reason why my post to keep the page was seemingly ignored so that I may avoid having pages I create deleted in the future? C3pkeogh 19:46, 12 May 2007 (UTC)


 * Can you please include a link to the deleted page for me to review? I'm going through the speedy deletion candidates and there are many of them, so context is essential when you refer to such matters.  Regards, (aeropagitica) 19:53, 12 May 2007 (UTC)


 * Can you also please sign your Talk page comments with four tildes, ~ in order to link through to your user page, please. This makes it far easier to contact you. Regards, (aeropagitica) 19:55, 12 May 2007 (UTC)

CSC (Check Shoe Crew) Hopefully this will help you find it. Best wishes C3pkeogh 19:58, 12 May 2007 (UTC)


 * You seriously believe that a clique of three schoolchildren is a notable addition to the project? Please do not recreate this page as it will be classed as vandalism.  You might want to read WP:BIO and WP:ORG to see the guidelines on notable people and groups for Wikipedia articles.  Regards, (aeropagitica) 20:07, 12 May 2007 (UTC)


 * Looks like this issue was addressed by (aeropagitica) while I typed my reply to your inquest. Therefore there is no more reason for me to explain why your article failed notability criteria. --Darkbane 20:10, 12 May 2007 (UTC)

Thanks for you input Darkbane. Best wishes C3pkeogh 20:16, 12 May 2007 (UTC)

I do believe it is a notable addition, if you saw the reasons for keeping the page I noted in the pages talk you may notice that it is not the size of the clique mentioned in the page "clique of three schoolchildren" that I believe gives it a reason to be included in the encyclopedia but the fact that the page was a valid example of a social cliqe, an example that is crucial to inform a persons understanding of what a social clique actualy is. Surly it is the purpous of an encylopedia to assist in apersons understanding/knowlage of a topic, the topic in question being social cliques. Best wishes C3pkeogh 20:14, 12 May 2007 (UTC)


 * Please see the articles on cliques and social groups for encyclopedic entries on the subjects that you mention. Your article was too specific in regards to the social group in question.  If the threshold was lowered to permit your clique an entry in the main space then literally tens of thousands of other school/college cliques would also attempt the same thing. If you want to tell people about your clique then please do so in a blog or website and not on Wikipedia. When attempting to offer a business case for retaining an article proposed for speedy deletion, please always refer to the appropriate policies and guidelines to demonstrate notability.  Personal beliefs are neither here nor there when assessing the deletion of an article. Regards, (aeropagitica) 20:29, 12 May 2007 (UTC)

Good point. It was my personal "belief" that the artical should remain in as far as it was your "belief" that it merited deletion. Thanks for your time. Best wishes C3pkeogh 20:37, 12 May 2007 (UTC)


 * No - I decide which articles to delete based upon the policies and guidelines mentioned earlier in this dialogue. You can also look at WP:CSD for the speedy deletion criteria, they're open for consultation by all.  My personal beliefs don't guide my administration of Wikipedia, otherwise I might delete articles that I found offensive or didn't believe in, which would lead to my being banned from editing.  That's one of the reasons why admin powers are reserved, so personal bias doesn't come in to the equation. Regards, (aeropagitica) 21:08, 12 May 2007 (UTC)

C3pkeogn, since it seems like you are still misunderstanding a bit, I'll give my insight into this issue, for what it's worth. Keep in mind that I myself am a rookie editor, so I my experience is limited.

To avoid wasting your time and energy on articles that are likely to be deleted in the future, I recommend that you read the notability guideline. For articles dealing with groups of people specifically, you should take a close look at this page. Furthermore, verifiability policy is very essential to the deletion of your article since you did not cite any sources. Generally speaking you will need independent secondary sources for an article.

You should also read WP:NPOV and WP:NOR, as well as the other links on those pages, about what Wikipedia is not, and about autobiographies. Once you digest all that information, you will have a good understanding for the type of material appropriate for Wikipedia and I am confident that you will become a good contributor. You already have a good grasp on civility, which in my humble opinion is really the single most important attribute for an editor. Everything else you can learn. Good luck. --Darkbane 02:31, 13 May 2007 (UTC)