User talk:C4talyst

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Hello, C4talyst, and welcome to Wikipedia! Thank you for your contributions. I hope you like the place and decide to stay. Here are some pages that you might find helpful: Please remember to sign your messages on talk pages by typing four tildes ( ~ ); this will automatically insert your username and the date. If you need help, check out Questions, ask me on my talk page, or ask your question on this page and then place  before the question. Again, welcome! GregJackP  Boomer!   19:45, 20 January 2013 (UTC)
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GregJackP  Boomer!   19:45, 20 January 2013 (UTC)

Thank You!
I appreciate the helpful links. I especially liked this one from the The five pillars of Wikipedia page:

Wikipedia is written from a neutral point of view.

C4talyst (talk) 20:15, 20 January 2013 (UTC)


 * That's correct, it has to be written in a NPOV, as reported by reliable sources. That means we can't change facts to suit one side or the other.  The Capobianos have made an issue that the adoption was something that Brown changed his mind on.  In fact, as soon as he learned of the proposed adoption he started action to stop it.  That is reported both in the SC opinion (at 555) and in the press.  To use the term later in that context slants the POV towards one side.  Regards,  GregJackP   Boomer!   20:45, 20 January 2013 (UTC)


 * Slants the POV to one side, like unnecessarily using the term "decorated soldier"? Or providing six paragraphs outlining the opinion of the court, and one addressing the well-written dissent? The originally published article was a hit piece, entirely biased toward one side of the case, which was surprising to see from a seasoned Wikipedia author. Dusten abandoned this mother and child, and came back months later to engage in a custody battle that is now known to have been an abuse of the law (according to the senator who wrote the law in 1978). This too is supported in the opinion. I'm not going to debate the use of the word "later", it's fine if you'd like to leave it out, although it's accurate. You know what you did when you published this article. C4talyst (talk) 21:11, 20 January 2013 (UTC)


 * Actually, decorated solder is accurate and relevant. I don't believe that the article, as published, was slanted, but I'm open to discussion.  It shows both sides accurately, and is well sourced.


 * Brown is being presented by one side (the Capobiancos) as a deadbeat dad who abandoned his child. The reason he didn't contest the adoption immediately is 1) he didn't know about it, since both the birth mother and the Capobiancos concealed it from him; and 2) he was serving his country in Iraq.  WP:BLP requires that " [c] riticism and praise should be included if they can be sourced to reliable secondary sources...."  Leaving the impression that Brown is a deadbeat without presenting information showing his positive attributes is a violation, and BLP does not just apply to biographical articles.


 * You mentioned that I didn't address much of the dissent, which is correct. I also left out the section of the ICWA that deals with involuntary termination of parental rights, although it is relevant, nor did I go into great detail about other issues that the court brought up.  In subsequent developments, I left untouched the lobbying efforts towards Congress, nor did I post the research that shows that Indian children are still being removed from their homes at a disproportionate rate (about 20x the rate of white children).  I also didn't touch on the fact that 36 states don't comply with the ICWA in some manner or the other.  I barely touched on the citizenship v. racial issues, that the tribe is protecting its citizens while the other side attempts to make it a racial issue. I'm aware of your bias in the matter, having read some of your posts on news articles while I was researching the matter.  I'm comfortable that the article was NPOV when I moved it to mainspace.  GregJackP   Boomer!   22:27, 20 January 2013 (UTC)