User talk:CA387/Archive 2

ATF Cleaner
How would you rewrite the article to make it non-advertising? I don't see it as spam but I guess others might =/

Zikro 04:47, 1 June 2007 (UTC)

Non-notable?? Whaaat??
How am I a non-notable cellist? I AM a cellist and I think I'm very notable! But, ok, fine, even if I'm not notable, my cello teacher definitely is! He teaches at Gonzaga, conducts the Chamber Orchestra, plays cello [obviously] and has even produced a CD! He studied with Stephen Kates, Fritz Magg, and Gabor Rejto...How is he NON-NOTABLE?? He is very notable and VERY well known! Just because he doesnt have a Wikipedia page does NOT mean he isnt notable...Would you like me to make him a Wikipedia page? I can do it...I am usually User:cuke monster but I cant log in for some reason, I'll try tomorrow (this happens to me on and off, it's a computer issue). Please leave any responses to this on the User:cuke monster page. Thanks. :) 67.185.26.89 04:58, 1 June 2007 (UTC)

Dude.
I can ask Kevin any questions I want to about his notability. He's MY TEACHER. I see him once a week. I could literally conduct an interview on him and ask him every question possible so then I could come here and make him a verifiable Wikipedia page. I understand that not every cellist is notable. But I think Kevin IS notable, hence the reason I put him on the list... I'll get more info though. Cookie 05:30, 1 June 2007 (UTC)

I did NOT mean I would just simply ask him "Are you notable?" I meant I could ask him any questions about his repertoire, musical degrees, accomplishments, awards, etc. It would be totally stupid to just ask someone "are you notable?" or to just get information from somebody and expect to make an article from it. I have more than one source, and I am not stupid. I've been using Wikipedia for quite a while. I know the guidelines. I know the rules. That being said, I will now say I have already begun writing the article in a Word-Document format on my computer. Once it is finished I will transfer it to Wikipedia and create the article. I will accept any criticism or suggestions, because that is the only way to improve an article. Besides, it's not like if I make it and it's not perfect it'll be the end of the world. If it gets deleted because it's too messy, I'll get more facts, rewrite it, and try again. I know what I'm doing...Have a good day! Cookie 23:44, 1 June 2007 (UTC)

Nicely handled!
Just a note to say that your advice looks to be spot-on in terms of policy and tone. Well done! I'm busy tidying up Category:Cellists (well, it was something to do whilst the England v Brazil football match was on!) and have, at the current count, 19 categories that I need to turn from red to blue before I can stop (I don't like leaving red categories on a page). Some of them could use a little CA387 magic... now that they're correctly categorized, that is! ;-) Bencherlite 23:59, 1 June 2007 (UTC)

Crap
Ah, crap. Yeah, that should be "Redirect per WP:EPISODE. Episode articles must be able to contain more information than a plot summary and trivial notes." Sorry about that. TTN 01:34, 3 June 2007 (UTC)

Felix Salmond
Hello again. Another fine contribution, and this time even nicely categorized into Category:English classical cellists! Thank you: I've been clearing up as much of the Category:Cellists tree as I can, so I wouldn't want more articles going into the wrong place from my adoptee ;-) ! Incidentally, have a look at Category:Cellists by genre to see what a range of genres we have already for cellists on WP. If you can work out what genre the remaining cellists in Category:American cellists are, please let me know: "cellobop" is a genre???  Anyway, back to Felix.  As you'll see, I made some changes .  It looks a lot, but (a) most were consequent on adding some further information from Grove and (b) some moving around of sentences (e.g. putting his concert debut after the bit about his lessons, rather than the way it was before, which was out of chronological order) makes the editing look more major than it really is! However, the article as it stood was properly set-out, well-referenced and informative. No surprise to me, having seen your other new articles when recategorizing them. Just a few other points, including a couple that I found out or remembered when editing it:
 * The general tendency I have seen is to avoid wikilinking individual years, although I'd admit (have looked for a reference to cite to you!) that there isn't as much consensus on it as I thought: Manual_of_Style_%28dates_and_numbers%29
 * Names of compositions aren't put in bold, and only in italic when it's the true title rather than a generic title: e.g. The Dream of Gerontius but Elgar's Cello Concerto. See Manual_of_Style_%28music%29.  Also, Naming_conventions_%28pieces_of_music%29 may be useful, although I find its use of italics for emphasis hinders more than it helps!
 * Some minor copy-editing, e.g. I thought that to call his mother the "accompanist" wouldn't do justice to a piano's role in a trio; I changed the bit about him "fleeing" the country since, with the benefit of Grove, it was clearer that he didn't make his debut in the States for some time afterwards.

I think that was it. Nit-picking apart, and that's all it really was, well done. And, for this and your general work to date, I think you deserve this:

Keep at it - fix those redlinks, expand those stubs! Bencherlite 15:23, 3 June 2007 (UTC)

My shiny present
Absolutely no need to have done so, but many thanks. I'm so impressed that you went to the trouble of creating it for me. I think it should be proposed at WP:AAU for approval as a recognised WikiProject Barnstar. Any objections? Bencherlite 19:23, 5 June 2007 (UTC)
 * On my user page! Will write something suitably untruthful for AAU about how you only learnt these technical skills because of me. Incidentally x 2 (1) don't worry too much about the "Please try (etc)" comment in the first reply to that AfD - you're not the first to get that treatment from him. (2) 19 red categories? I'm puzzled... Bencherlite 20:05, 5 June 2007 (UTC)
 * Ah, that makes sense. Yes, I created all those categories and a few more... what a session that was.  Saw the admin edit-war before, and again I think you were fine.  I deliberately didn't !vote for that same reason, though I think the article is a mess and would love to see a source for the comment that cello rock has influences dating back to 1930s Russia.  You're taking the "comment" in the right way, though. Exactly. For some light relief, see this from the same user, following Cyde's implementation of a decision at WP:CFD... the words "head" and "brick wall" come to mind!  Yours, Bencherlite 20:45, 5 June 2007 (UTC)

Links
Why not just add a comment to the main talk page saying that "this" is a useful resource for the article, if anyone wants to use it before you do - more likely to be seen than a sub-page. Adding the cite template whilst you're at it would be very helpful for future editors. Oh, and the proposal is at Wikipedia_talk:Adopt-a-User. So far, so good! Bencherlite 07:58, 6 June 2007 (UTC)

Guto Puw
Oh how embarrassing... I was just waiting to see if you'd notice (yeh, right). Ta.

And, not just because now you're correcting me for MOS points, but because of all your excellent work and all the technical skills that you've demonstrated, I'm wondering whether there's anything else I can "teach" you and, in fact, whether there's any need for you to stay adopted. It's not that I'm trying to get rid of you (on the contrary, you'll always be welcome at my talk page) but I think you're past the "inexperienced user" stage if you can build a barnstar and put it in the right place whilst taking a poor article to AfD and defending List of Cellists from wannabes! Would having the barnstar adopted by the project be a nice note upon which to graduate? If you want to carry on being adopted, that's fine too - I shall obviously have to think of harder tasks for you to do, such as getting Cello rock to FA status! Regards, Bencherlite 21:13, 7 June 2007 (UTC)

DYK/graduation
Well done for getting on the main page - a lovely bonus on graduation day. I've taken a screenshot of the main page with Felix on it, in case you don't see it before it changes - let me know if you want to see it.

Yes, I have a new adoptee, I think: she's not replied to my offer (in fact, edited her user page after my offer to say that no-one had replied!) so I don't know how much work she'll be. Thanks for your offer to help, nice idea.

I'll have a think about your questions and let you know, probably after the weekend. Also, I see you've put two articles up for GA status. Good luck - to help you polish them further, have a look at User talk:CA387/sources and see if there's anything you can add (db-user it when you're done). (Would have a look myself, but too busy today). Paris, eh? Lots of native language sources on cellists to add to WP! Bencherlite 08:58, 8 June 2007 (UTC)

RE: Failed GA nomination for André Navarra
It was a pleasure to be of assistance, and I'm glad I could be of help. In regards to just messaging me directly to take a look at it, that is fine, however, I can't promise that I could necessarily get back to it timely, as Wikipedia, for me, is a "get to it when I can" venture. However, there is already a process in place for people who are just looking for feedback on an article that they are working on; it is called "Peer Review." For other "sets of eyes" you might want to go here. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Esprit15d (talk • contribs).

Adoption/graduation
Sorry if I got the wrong end of the stick, but I think you've earned your wings, and then some. If people had to stay in adoption until they wrote a FA, very few would leave (and I'd need adopting myself!) I'm nearly there with Guto Puw - it was failed earlier today for 3 reasons, 2 of which I've fixed and 1 of which isn't a valid fail reason! Incidentally, I used the {onesource} template on an article only to have it changed by a bot to {Refimprove}. The same may have happened to you. Cheers for now. Bencherlite 21:18, 11 June 2007 (UTC)

Cello rock
I think that you removed a little bit too much from Cello rock, so I reverted your edit. Feel free to remove any clear original research, but don't make the article bare. Andrew_pmk | Talk 22:08, 11 June 2007 (UTC)

Also in Cello rock, you reverted my edit which alphabetized the list of "notable bands." Is there any rationale for the current order that, in some way, makes it more encyclopedic to be in that order than alphabetical? Xthepicturex 14:12, 16 June 2007 (UTC)

Flippant observation
At User talk:Yamamoto Ichiro, you said:
 * Well, I guess you learn something new every day. :) --CA387 03:16, 8 June 2007

Yes. And sometimes, (if you are lucky), some of it is actually useful! Pdfpdf 13:11, 12 June 2007 (UTC)
 * Gosh, and I've forgotten what I've learned already. Isn't that ironic? --CA387 06:30, 15 June 2007 (UTC)

When you're young, it's called ironic. As you get older, it's called "a seniors moment".Pdfpdf 08:27, 15 June 2007 (UTC)

I'm not altogether sure what below-this-line has to do with above-this-line, but it's nothing to do with me! Pdfpdf 08:27, 15 June 2007 (UTC)

Na na na na na-na-na, na-na-na, we try to live on science alone. Whooooooo, oh, I am a scientist. Yeah, yeah, I am a scientist, we try to live on science alone.

Do you like that? Christine118500 13:11, 13 June 2007 (UTC)

What's wrong with songs. I always make them. Do you not like them? Also, can you tell Bencherlite i want to be taught by him and then graduate like you did, cos i hav and he said nothing. Christine118500 15:39, 13 June 2007 (UTC)


 * (Passing through) reply to Christine left on his [sic] talk page. Ta for your patient reply.  Bencherlite 15:48, 13 June 2007 (UTC)

Gnome week

 * You should be honoured that Christine has included you in distinguished company... sigh. Long message left on his talk page, but whether [|a repeat] can be prevented remains to be seen.  Thanks for offering to help, anyway.  Bencherlite 21:14, 13 June 2007 (UTC)

Wikibroken?
Back so soon, monsieur? Or just editing à la Français? Bencherlite 20:40, 28 June 2007 (UTC)


 * Yes, even France has electricity, though mainly nuclear-powered, I think. Have fun, but remember to turn off your computer occasionally so you can see the sights... Bencherlite 20:59, 28 June 2007 (UTC)

Err?
Sorry for the delayed reply - slightly puzzled by your last message: why did you think that User:William Reid Blyton was a doppelganger? User:BencherLite would be a doppelganger account, for example, but I'm not called William Reid Blyton or anything like that! Yours, BencherliteTalk 05:06, 14 July 2007 (UTC)


 * Oh, I see now - how did you spot that one?! Anyway, imitation is the sincerest form of flattery (x2... - though I can't remember where I nicked the (simple) code for the sig from!) BencherliteTalk 15:38, 14 July 2007 (UTC)

Welcome back
Thanks for the message. I was wondering how long a break you were taking. It's good to have you back. Funnily enough, I was looking at List of cellist the other day and wondering what you would make of it at present! And Cello rock is still awful! Look forward to running into you around the place again - drop by anytime. Yours, BencherliteTalk 19:10, 24 October 2007 (UTC)

AfD nomination of ATF Cleaner
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The Olympics Star
I hope you don't mind that I changed the title from the Olympics Star to the Olympics Barnstar, that is the standard name for awards like that. If you feel like the original name was better, feel free to change it back, and you don't need to notify me. If you don't want it moved to the page Olymics Barnstar, do notify me.  Meis funny  Gab 17:21, 15 July 2008 (UTC)

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