User talk:CAIVY

July 2022
Hello, I'm DMacks. I noticed that you recently removed content from Perpetual motion without adequately explaining why. In the future, it would be helpful to others if you described your changes to Wikipedia with an accurate edit summary. If this was a mistake, don't worry; the removed content has been restored. If you would like to experiment, please use your sandbox. If you think I made a mistake, or if you have any questions, you can leave me a message on my talk page. Thanks. DMacks (talk) 00:34, 22 July 2022 (UTC)


 * Thanks for the info, I'm happy to discuss some scientific issues with you. I think the point of the article in the "buoyancy" section is incorrect. Two months ago, I wrote an article on the "talk" page and no one objected, so that I think my point is correct. That's why I removed the content of "buoyancy" section. CAIVY (talk) 20:15, 23 July 2022 (UTC)

March 2023
Your recent editing history at Perpetual motion shows that you are currently engaged in an edit war; that means that you are repeatedly changing content back to how you think it should be, when you have seen that other editors disagree. To resolve the content dispute, please do not revert or change the edits of others when you are reverted. Instead of reverting, please use the talk page to work toward making a version that represents consensus among editors. The best practice at this stage is to discuss, not edit-war; read about how this is done. If discussions reach an impasse, you can then post a request for help at a relevant noticeboard or seek dispute resolution. In some cases, you may wish to request temporary page protection.

Being involved in an edit war can result in you being blocked from editing&mdash;especially if you violate the three-revert rule, which states that an editor must not perform more than three reverts on a single page within a 24-hour period. Undoing another editor's work—whether in whole or in part, whether involving the same or different material each time—counts as a revert. Also keep in mind that while violating the three-revert rule often leads to a block, you can still be blocked for edit warring&mdash;even if you do not violate the three-revert rule&mdash;should your behavior indicate that you intend to continue reverting repeatedly. Theroadislong (talk) 20:30, 22 March 2023 (UTC)


 * The article in the section of Patent is about the U.S. Patent Office's policy regarding perpetual motion machines, which are hypothetical devices that can do work infinitely without an external energy source. The article claims that the patent office has made an official policy of refusing to grant patents for such machines without a working model, and that it does not reject applications on the grounds of lack of utility, frivolity, fraud or public policy. The article also cites a book by a patent attorney as a source of information.
 * The article is not a trusted source because it contains several inaccuracies and misleading statements. First, according to U.S. Patent Rules 37 CFR 1.91, models or exhibits are not generally admitted as part of application or patent, unless they are necessary to prove operability or utility. Second, the citation [32] is from a book written by David Pressman, who is not an expert on perpetual motion machines or thermodynamics, but rather an attorney who helps with patent applications. His statement that "Even if a patent is granted, it does not mean that the invention actually works" is not supported by any evidence or authority. Third, the article does not mention that perpetual motion machines are impossible according to the laws of thermodynamics, which state that energy cannot be created or destroyed (first law) and that some energy is always lost as heat in any process (second law). Therefore, any device that claims to produce more energy than it consumes or to convert heat into work without any loss violates these fundamental principles of physics.
 * In conclusion, the article is not a reliable source of information about perpetual motion machines or the U.S. Patent Office's policy regarding them. It contains factual errors, logical fallacies and biased opinions that undermine its credibility and validity. CAIVY (talk) 20:50, 22 March 2023 (UTC)
 * Dear community,
 * I am writing to seek your help with a concern I have regarding some information on a Wikipedia page. Specifically, I am confused about the principles for identifying perpetual motion machines and how they apply to certain energy conversion devices that are not isolated systems.
 * I have noticed that the information on the page appears to contradict other sources, and I am unsure how to proceed. Additionally, I have concerns about the inclusion of information regarding patent applications that may be harming the scientific credibility and authority of the US Patent Office and the interests of patent holders.
 * I am wondering if anyone in the community can help me understand these issues better and provide guidance on how to address them on the Wikipedia page. I believe that accurate and reliable information is critical for the integrity of the site and the benefit of its users, and I appreciate any assistance you can provide.
 * Thank you for your time and consideration. CAIVY (talk) 18:52, 24 March 2023 (UTC)

 You have been blocked from editing from certain pages (Perpetual motion) for a period of 24 hours for edit warring. Once the block has expired, you are welcome to make useful contributions. During a dispute, you should first try to discuss controversial changes and seek consensus. If that proves unsuccessful, you are encouraged to seek dispute resolution, and in some cases it may be appropriate to request page protection. If you think there are good reasons for being unblocked, please read the guide to appealing blocks, then add the following text below the block notice on your talk page:. DMacks (talk) 23:12, 22 March 2023 (UTC)


 * Dear Wikipedia editor,
 * I am writing to request your permission to edit the Wikipedia articles on “Buoyancy” and “Patents”. I have some scientific issues with the current versions of these articles, and I would like to share my views and evidence with you.
 * First of all, I believe Wikipedia should be the place to spread science and sound thinking. Wikipedia should allow people to modify and edit well-discussed error pages based on sound scientific theory and facts.
 * Secondly, I don’t think the articles in the “Buoyancy” and “Patents” sections are correct. Especially the “patent” part has violated the rights and interests of relevant patent holders. I have explained my reasons and sources in detail on the Discussion page of these articles a year ago, and no one objected, so I think my point is valid.
 * Therefore, I respectfully ask you to review my arguments and evidence, and allow me to remove the “buoyancy” and “patent” parts from these articles. If you have any questions or concerns, please feel free to contact me.
 * Thank you for your time and attention.
 * Sincerely,
 * CAIVY CAIVY (talk) 19:31, 23 March 2023 (UTC)
 * The principles of identifying perpetual motion machines：
 * In thermodynamics, an isolated system is a system that does not exchange energy or matter with its surroundings, while a non-isolated system exchanges energy or matter with its surroundings.
 * A perpetual motion machine is an isolated system.
 * In any isolated system, one cannot create new energy.
 * There is a scientific consensus that perpetual motion in an isolated system violates either the first law of thermodynamics, the second law of thermodynamics
 * Thermodynamic system
 * Thermodynamic systems can be divided into three types: open systems, closed systems, and isolated systems. Open systems can exchange matter and energy with the outside world, closed systems can exchange energy with the outside world but not matter, and isolated systems do not exchange matter or energy with the outside world.
 * https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thermodynamic_system
 * Energy conversion
 * Energy conversion, the transformation of energy from forms provided by nature to forms that can be used by humans.
 * https://www.britannica.com/technology/energy-conversion
 * Devices that obtain energy from the sun and the earth belong to non-isolated systems, that is, they have heat exchange or material exchange with the external environment. In thermodynamics, an isolated system is a system that does not have heat exchange and material exchange with the external environment. Non-isolated systems require external factors to maintain their effects.
 * Facts about energy conversion devices - "non-isolated systems"
 * Devices that get energy from the sun
 * Solar energy uses the sun’s light and heat to generate renewable or ‘green’ power.
 * The Sun is the most powerful energy source in the universe, with its internal temperature and pressure caused by its massive mass and gravity.
 * The process of light and heat production in the sun:
 * Nuclear fusion reaction that occurs inside the sun. Nuclear fusion is the process of synthesizing four hydrogen nuclei into one helium nucleus under extremely high temperature and pressure, releasing huge light and heat energy.
 * Wind Energy
 * Wind is caused when the earth's surface is heated unevenly by the sun. Wind energy can be used to generate electricity.
 * https://www.nrel.gov/research/re-wind.html
 * The earth is a huge source of energy, providing many forms of renewable energy.
 * Hydroelectric Energy
 * Hydroelectric energy is a form of renewable energy that uses the power of moving water to generate electricity.
 * https://education.nationalgeographic.org/resource/hydroelectric-energy/
 * Gravity Light
 * The GravityLight converts potential energy that is stored in a weight into light.
 * https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/GravityLight
 * Tides
 * Gravity is one major force that creates tides. In 1687, Sir Isaac Newton explained that ocean tides result from the gravitational attraction of the sun and moon on the oceans of the earth (Sumich, J.L., 1996).
 * https://oceanservice.noaa.gov/education/tutorial_tides/tides02_cause.html
 * Hydrostatic pressure, the pressure exerted by a fluid at equilibrium at a given point within
 * the fluid, due to the force of gravity.
 * https://www.edinformatics.com/math_science/hydrostatic_pressure.htm
 * Buoyancy is the tendency of an object to float in a fluid. All liquids and gases in the presence of gravity exert an upward force known as the buoyant force on any object immersed in them.
 * https://byjus.com/physics/buoyant-force/
 * Overall，Light，gravity, buoyancy and pressure are forces/energy of non-isolated systems.
 * Gravity, buoyancy and pressure are the results of interactions between Earth and other celestial bodies. They are forces/energies of non-isolated systems that require external factors to maintain their effects. In thermodynamics, an isolated system is a system that has no heat exchange and material exchange with the external environment, while a non-isolated system has heat exchange and/or material exchange with the external environment. CAIVY (talk) 19:41, 23 March 2023 (UTC)

 You have been blocked from certain pages (Perpetual motion) indefinitely from editing for edit warring. During a dispute, you should first try to discuss controversial changes and seek consensus. If that proves unsuccessful, you are encouraged to seek dispute resolution, and in some cases it may be appropriate to request page protection. If you think there are good reasons for being unblocked, please read the guide to appealing blocks, then add the following text below the block notice on your talk page:. DMacks (talk) 18:27, 24 March 2023 (UTC)

Dear community,

I am writing to seek your help with a concern I have regarding some information on a Wikipedia page. Specifically, I am confused about the principles for identifying perpetual motion machines and how they apply to certain energy conversion devices that are not isolated systems.

I have noticed that the information on the page appears to contradict other sources, and I am unsure how to proceed. Additionally, I have concerns about the inclusion of information regarding patent applications that may be harming the scientific credibility and authority of the US Patent Office and the interests of patent holders.

I am wondering if anyone in the community can help me understand these issues better and provide guidance on how to address them on the Wikipedia page. I believe that accurate and reliable information is critical for the integrity of the site and the benefit of its users, and I appreciate any assistance you can provide.

Thank you for your time and consideration.

Sincerely, CAIVY


 * CAIVY, I will re-post the information you received higher up on this user talk page, about how you should proceed. Note that "the talk page" mentioned below is the article talk page, found at Talk:Perpetual motion, and not this user talk page. Please follow the links in the paragraph below, and read the information about relevant guidelines and policies. --bonadea contributions talk 19:20, 24 March 2023 (UTC)

"Instead of reverting, please use the talk page to work toward making a version that represents consensus among editors. The best practice at this stage is to discuss, not edit-war; read about how this is done. If discussions reach an impasse, you can then post a request for help at a relevant noticeboard or seek dispute resolution." ne year ago, I provided detailed explanations and sources on the discussion page, and no one opposed them. With no objections or counterarguments, isn't this already waiting for consensus? CAIVY