User talk:CAWylie/Archive 3

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Nathan2055talk - contribs 03:57, 8 July 2012 (UTC)

June redlinks removed prematurely
Hi CAWylie. I see that you have moved the June deaths to Deaths in June 2012. However, in the process you have removed redlinks too early. The consensus here is that redlinks remain until one month after the death, not until the end of that calendar month. Thanks, WWGB (talk) 07:24, 8 July 2012 (UTC)


 * Oh, okay, thanks. I thought that, once the monthly article was created, the redlinks could be removed. However, I noticed someone had removed June 1-7's before I even moved the info. Thanks again for letting me know. — WylieCoyote (talk) 13:47, 8 July 2012 (UTC)


 * Yes, there is another editor (User:Rusted AutoParts) who likes to remove the month-old redlinks each day. He claims to have obsessive-compulsive disorder and gets very cranky if anyone else removes the redlinks before him! Gotta love Wikipedia ... Regards, WWGB (talk) 13:54, 8 July 2012 (UTC)


 * That would be the editor, yes. — WylieCoyote (talk) 13:56, 8 July 2012 (UTC)

Hi, further to this, in moving from Deaths in 2012 to Deaths in July 2012, it is only necessary to cut-and-paste to the new page after 7 August and then reverse the order of the dates. All redlinks travel to Deaths in July 2012. They are then removed from that page on a daily basis. I hope that's OK and what you had planned. I think the date reversal should be done after 7 August, otherwise recent additions may be missed. Regards, WWGB (talk) 03:29, 3 August 2012 (UTC)


 * Thanks, that's what I do, once I learned the rule about redlinks. I also keep an eye on any changes that could possibly take place in the previous months early days (for example, if/when a COD is updated) before the new monthly Deaths page is created. Thanks for stopping by! — WylieCoyote (talk) 18:23, 3 August 2012 (UTC)

Talkback
Oh, and nice userpage layout. ;) - JuneGloom    Talk  22:53, 3 August 2012 (UTC)

Reverting that good olde vandal
Thank YOU! — WylieCoyote (talk) 17:07, 7 August 2012 (UTC)

AHS: Asylum
Hey, I know you've done a lot of work on American Horror Story articles, so I won't revert your edit, but I was just wondering if we should change it back to American Horror Story (season 2) and have a season title on the episode list. Just a thought! I am looking at this list as an example. Let Me Eat Cake (talk) 20:07, 7 August 2012 (UTC)


 * Sorry, but I wasn't the one who moved/renamed it. That would be Yankeesrj12. I also thought it was bold/wrong to move a frequently-edited page without a consensus vote, but went along with it since I didn't know of another series to do this type of thing. I think it should also be done like Heroes. — WylieCoyote (talk) 20:23, 7 August 2012 (UTC)


 * Thanks for the support. Let Me Eat Cake (talk) 20:27, 7 August 2012 (UTC)

E-mail sent to me in response to asking for a logo for The Rifleman.
Thank you for your message. The logomark for The Rifleman is in the process of being updated. If you like, we will write you back with a fuller response after the swap-out occurs. Levy-Gardner-Laven Productions (LGL Productions) owns the rights to The Rifleman and all its service marks. Use of a logomark must be be accompanied by a credit line. We will provide the image. Thank you also for providing the links to the Wikis. Two corrections: the right sidebar says "169 episodes" -- there were 168. Arnold Laven created The Rifleman, not Sam Peckinpah. Thank you. Lisbet T TheRifleman.net web mistress


 * WylieCoyote (talk) 14:44, 10 August 2012 (UTC)

Orphaned non-free image File:The New Normal series logo.jpg
 Thanks for uploading File:The New Normal series logo.jpg. The image description page currently specifies that the image is non-free and may only be used on Wikipedia under a claim of fair use. However, the image is currently not used in any articles on Wikipedia. If the image was previously in an article, please go to the article and see why it was removed. You may add it back if you think that that will be useful. However, please note that images for which a replacement could be created are not acceptable for use on Wikipedia (see our policy for non-free media).

Note that any non-free images not used in any articles will be deleted after seven days, as described in the criteria for speedy deletion. Thank you. Skier Dude ( talk ) 03:55, 18 August 2012 (UTC)


 * Added back as a separate promotional image. It features the entire cast, which cannot be seen, except on their individual pages. — WylieCoyote (talk) 20:24, 18 August 2012 (UTC)

Thanks
for this. I was going to fix it but got sidetracked by a troublesome editor. --AussieLegend (talk) 02:58, 25 August 2012 (UTC)


 * You're welcome. Those pesky ones are troublesome! — WylieCoyote (talk) 18:49, 25 August 2012 (UTC)

Speedy deletion declined: Everybody Wins (Breaking Bad)
Hello CAWylie. I am just letting you know that I declined the speedy deletion of Everybody Wins (Breaking Bad), a page you tagged for speedy deletion, because of the following concern: Not a recently created redirect - consider WP:RfD. Thank you. — Malik Shabazz Talk/Stalk 04:29, 28 August 2012 (UTC)

Art Modell
Hey. Just a quick FYI on Modell. When a coroner releases an initial ruling, there are 5 types of causation for death- natural, accidental, homicide, suicide and unknown. Modell was initially ruled a natural cause death. But the reason for the death was Heart Failure. Its kind of confusing I know because there are some natural causes deaths that are either not listed or unknown and are simply stated as natural causes. Natural causes also could be any disease like cancer, diabetes, etc. etc. Usually on the later reports, they will list primary and secondary causation. So for example if a guy had Cancer and Parkinson's- It would be Natural Causes Primary: Cancer Secondary: Parkinson's (or reverse depending on which was determined to be the Primary Cause).

Big fan of your work though. Keep on keeping on.Sunnydoo (talk) 00:00, 7 September 2012 (UTC)


 * But the source at Deaths in 2012 does not even mention "heart failure", hence my removal. I suggest updating to a source that lists "heart failure". — WylieCoyote (talk) 00:48, 7 September 2012 (UTC)


 * I left the source but changed it already. In my edit note, I listed the source of the CoD per my usual notation.  Its a double edged sword.  Sometimes the best articles for the subject have the worst CoD listing or not the most recent of information.  I can tell you in this case that he had a long history of coronary heart disease and had had several heart attacks.  He was in Johns Hopkins receiving treatment when he passed away from the Heart Failure.


 * Yes, I know. Someone also called it "natural causes" on his page as well, after listing his coronary history. P.S. You need to put the "updated" source after him as it still says natural causes from the original. — WylieCoyote (talk) 00:57, 7 September 2012 (UTC)

Saving Hope
Actually, Saving Hope wasn't recorded by my pvr last night. If they didn't flag it as 'new' that would explain why. If NBC's pulling out resulted in the person who controls schedule info blanking it on the CTV channels too that would also explain why my pvr didn't record it last night. That is the most likely scenario. And next week it has two hours of 'to be announced' on Thursday night on the HD channel whilst the SD channel for CFCN has The Voice; browsing my pvr's guide regarding The Voice it is clear that info is also corrupted as it has The Voice on both CTV (CFCN) and Citytv (CKAL) as well as MuchMusic and NBC (KHQ and WDIV). The edits to the episode list were regarding CFTO. Also of some confusion, on CIAN Saturday next week at 9pm is ep 1 of Saving Hope, which is the same time that ep 13 should be repeating on CFCN. Odds are the guide info for most cable and sat customers is going to be totally screwed up and unless they have a time-based recording rather than a guide info-based recording programmed they won't have a recording to watch later and will assume it wasn't actually broadcast. And yes, i downloaded the 2HD release of Saving Hope ep 12 and it is captured from an actual broadcast. And based on too much time spent analysing 2HD releases to figure out where they are and what service providers they have and the time 2HD released ep 12 i am certain it is a cap from CFTO. If it had come from Winnipeg CSI would not be noted in the end credits as coming up next. 2HD's release came prior to broadcast in Vancouver, which is the only other time zone that had CSI following Saving Hope. What i can't tell is if it was 2HD's guy in Toronto or Hamilton who actually recorded it but CFTO serves both cities. delirious &amp;  lost  ☯ ~hugs~ 18:57, 7 September 2012 (UTC)


 * Uh, okayyyy. I don't know why you are writing me here as A) I didn't do anything to your edits on List of Saving Hope episodes or anywhere else for that matter. Another editor said something like "Episode 12 was not shown on CTV in Toronto on September 6 despite being listed on both the CTV website and facebook page leaving Canadians to wonder as to whether or not Saving Hope was saved." That was unsourced and speculative; and B) Wikipedia is not a TV Guide.
 * P.S. Since this show no longer airs in the States, I no longer care about the articles of the show. — WylieCoyote (talk) 00:36, 8 September 2012 (UTC)


 * Uh, okaaaaaay. I had assumed the CA in CAWylie referred to Canada given what article i crossed editing paths with you at. I wasn't complaining about your actions regarding my edits or those of any other. You have done a few 'get your info right' rollbacks on the article and potentially many people might insist the episode was not broadcast because they don't have a recording of it to watch today. If you do much downloading of shows you might have noticed LOL mocks up clean files and claims they came from broadcast on CTV or Global. I'll skip all the details of that but for it coming from 2HD and containing the end credits it is proof it really was broadcast in Toronto, contrary to the claims of that person from earlier today. But you no longer care about the articles of the show so i will wish you a good night. delirious  &amp;  lost  ☯ ~hugs~ 02:25, 8 September 2012 (UTC)


 * As was stated on The Killing: "Assumptions are your enemy." That would be like assuming "Delirious and Lost" means you like a Prince song and the television show. And Wikipedia only cares about sourced information, not what "potentially many people might insist". Like I said, this is not a TV guide, so thanks for stopping by and goodbye. — WylieCoyote (talk) 22:15, 8 September 2012 (UTC)

Wikipedia talk:Articles for creation/Steven Johnson (American football)
In the beginning of career. What's that supposed to mean. I never heard something like that?!? 24.227.93.118 (talk) 23:50, 31 October 2012 (UTC) The man played 2 games in the National Football League. What's wrong? 24.227.93.118 (talk) 23:50, 31 October 2012 (UTC)


 * This guy's never played in the NFL. Point is: make Steven notable somehow. AfC is not about never allowing the article, it's about improving it so it's encyclopedic. Make us care about a free-agent walk-on. Thanks. — WylieCoyote 00:01, 1 November 2012 (UTC)


 * What!!! He did not played in the NFL why would I be lying. It's on his NFL.com profile check the denver broncos roster and check his broncos profile. He did not play...What.  He played 2 games he just did not record any statistics that's all. 24.227.93.118 (talk) 00:10, 1 November 2012 (UTC)


 * I assume you are unfamiliar with Wikipedia and its wikilinks. If you click on "this guy" in my previous message, you will see that I was referring to Chandler Harnish. I saw where other player articles of yours were somehow approved. I, for one, think Johnson needs more to his article in order to be a Wiki article. Thanks. — WylieCoyote 20:55, 1 November 2012 (UTC)

Alright then. 24.227.93.118 (talk) 22:15, 1 November 2012 (UTC) You want the article more notable. OK then. 24.227.93.118 (talk) 22:22, 1 November 2012 (UTC)

Articles for Creation/ David Gold (vocalist)
Yes, I have read about notability but I can't understand how David Gold is not notable enough for an encyclopedia article. He has released two critically acclaimed albums with Woods of Ypres on Earache Records and has a large fan base acknowledging his talent and contribution, especially after his death. Just because I can not find an article about him on a general news site, means that he is not notable enough? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Orgazer (talk • contribs) 17:00, 1 November 2012 (UTC)


 * As the previous reviewers and you have stated, David Gold released two "critically acclaimed" albums with Woods of Ypres, so his info should be merged with the group's article. If he had a solo career or did other things outside of the group, then he would be "notable" and need an article. Notable does not necessarily mean find 20 articles on someone, notable means someone has done more in their lifetime that 20 articles needed written about. (20 is an exaggeration, by the way.) Thanks. — WylieCoyote 21:00, 1 November 2012 (UTC)

Archiving
Well Thanks 24.227.93.118 (talk) 02:44, 6 November 2012 (UTC)


 * You're welcome. — WylieCoyote 19:41, 6 November 2012 (UTC)

Wikipedia talk:Articles for creation/Grigoriy Nosko
Dear Wikipedia editor,

My name is Alex. I have a question about the article-for-creation "Grigoriy Nosko" that was declined. It was translated from Ukrainian and Russian Wikipedia. Almost all information is supported by independent sources in Russian language. My question is the following. The sources were considered to be unreliable because they are not in English or there is something else that I should know? I am an unexperienced Wikipedia user and will be very grateful for your help. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 61.23.254.2 (talk) 07:42, 18 November 2012 (UTC)


 * Hello, Alex. The information contained within the Decline box at the top of the article should help you, specifically beginning with the line "Find sources:". I realize it will be difficult to find information before 1980 and his death, and this may be all the information available on the Internet for him. If you need further assistance, please ask at the help desk by clicking here and typing in your request. I'm sure editors there have helped others with a similar problem. Please understand we will help you as much as possible to approve your article. I will also ask our usual discussion page for you. Thanks and good luck! — WylieCoyote 07:59, 18 November 2012 (UTC)

Wikipedia talk:Articles for creation/Tom Tattoo
Hi, my name is Giulia. Thank you for the review to the article. I guess that this is difficoult to review articles talking of foreign personality but I would like to bring to your attention this official page www.nyctattooconvention.com/awards.html of the New York City Tattoo Convention (one of the most important in the world). In this page of special awards, Tom Tattoo (only Italian artist) has been given the prize for is artistic contribution to the art of tattoing and he's in company with artists such as Bruce Bart, Paul Booth, Bill Salmon, Jack Rudy, Lyle Tuttle. This attests incontrovertibly his worth in the tattoo art world. I insered this source in the article, how can I do more? Thanks in advance--Giulia Visci (talk) 11:04, 20 November 2012 (UTC)


 * Hi, Giulia! As was mentioned by the previous reviewer on your talk page, please see WP:NOENG, if you have any foreign sources to share. Tom might be popular in Italy, but we need to be able to somehow verify this in the article, with clickable sources if possible. Good luck and don't get discouraged! — WylieCoyote 08:37, 22 November 2012 (UTC)


 * Thanks, I'll study this page as suggested. I'd like to ask: did you have a look to le link I suggested? Tom is in a list with well-known artist who might not be on the top now but that have done the history of the art of tattooing (Rudy, Salmon, Tuttle, for istance). That is what I tryed to explain, he has very well known in the tattoo world as he was more present in the States some years ago but probably now to be a famous tattoo artist you have to be in a TV show. It is a question of career and his career has be granted with the merit award at the NYCtattoo show. What do you think about? Thanks--Giulia Visci (talk) 11:12, 22 November 2012 (UTC)


 * Yes, but Wikipedia articles need more than one good source. Being "well-known in the tattoo world" needs to be conveyed more (sourced better) in articles. — WylieCoyote 11:19, 22 November 2012 (UTC)

afc and speedy
Only the reasons in WEP:CSD G1 through G12 can be used to deleted afc pages. They are not articles. At present, the only available way to remove a page like Wikipedia talk:Articles for creation/David William Parry is MfD. We might want to do something about this, for we do not want hopelessly unsuitable articles sitting there forever, and an easier process might help.

BLP violations only meet the criteria for article deletion if they meet G10 or some other speedy criterion (sometimes, G11, entirely promotional) Merely not having references is not a reason for speedy deletion of any article; this was established when BLP Prod was introduced--and BLP  Prod is only for articles. We wouldn't want to extent it to AfC, because the point of AfC  is to get the user to improve a submission, by doing such things as adding suitable references.

Incidentally, being self-published is not  really enough  reason to remove references. They're not enough to sustain an article in mainspace, but they are acceptable in even a BLP for routine facts about a person's life, such as their education.  DGG ( talk ) 15:37, 20 November 2012 (UTC)


 * Thanks but the person who submitted this article just simply cannot understand what we are trying to get him to do, therefore we either CSD it or MFD to get this submission out of our hair. — WylieCoyote 16:23, 20 November 2012 (UTC)

In fact, looking carefully at the history, I do see an effort by the editor to meet some of the suggestions: he added reviews, though not from reliable sources, he removed some of the worst blog sources, he changed the wording to be more neutral. He put quite a lot of effort into it. Of course, all of the effort was wasted, because the person is simply non-notable, and touching up the article can't fix it when there are not likely to be good sources for notability. it's hopeless, and hints don't work, the person sometimes needs to be told so in so many words. You can see for example the notice I just left on User talk:JohnRobinsonPHD, a page that 3 other editors had successively and rightly declined without it having much of an effect. (I assume it will work, but if he does it again, I will block him, delete the title as promotional, and protect it against re-creation; you don't have the facility to do all of that, but you can certainly warn. ) If you find you do not have the time to do all that personalized help, you can go to my talk page and ask me to do so. I get many such requests, and I try to respond to all of them in detail, though sometimes I get a little behind.

another example
Continuing on the same track, I see you tried to speedy Wikipedia talk:Articles for creation/Stephen Petrina as "No attempts to heed our suggestions" This is not a reason for deletion, via speedy or any other process. The article is indeed not satisfactory. Generally, the first thing I would think of for an article like this is checking for copyvio, as is the case for most CVs--I have however found only some patches from various places, not enough to delete for copyvio. So I told  the author in very specific terms directly on his talk page what he needs to do to make the article acceptable. Relying on the standard notice can work fine for a first attempt with an obvious problem, but if the next round is also unsuccessful, some personally directed help is needed. The subject is probably notable--the work seems to clearly meet WP:PROF, so the article is not hopeless, & is therefore worth the trouble. I've written a complete analysis at User talk:Stephenpetrina in a little more detail than usual. I used some text I've used in many similar situations, but I customized it to meet the problems of this actual article. It took me about an hour, spread over the day, while doing other things. I don't expect others to routinely do as much, but I did it as a demonstration to show what detail can be given. If this is done right, the editor will either do it right or decide not to continue, but they will in either case usually be left with the feeling that we've actually paid attention. You will notice I made it very clear at the end what would happen if there were another bad version.  DGG ( talk ) 04:10, 21 November 2012 (UTC)


 * Thanks but I don't think AfC is about major fixes for new editors' material. This is why we have unlimited suggestions in our decline boxes for them to ask elsewhere for help. There are 700 + submissions waiting for approval/declining and that is after our massive drive in November, from which thousands were approved/declined. I'm all for helping others, but that's not our job at AfC, which is to approve/deny and give reasons and/or make minor tweaks. Not spend an hour on an article that has been clogging AfC for a month. The editor(s) should ask for help rather than continually submitting unsatifactory articles. — WylieCoyote 05:09, 21 November 2012 (UTC)

and a simpler one
See my comments at User talk:Nick the doc.  DGG ( talk ) 04:34, 21 November 2012 (UTC)


 * Here is how we at AfC handle it. — WylieCoyote 05:16, 21 November 2012 (UTC)

Wikipedia talk:Articles for creation/Aptoide
This submission appears to read more like an advertisement than an entry in an encyclopedia.

CAWylie: can you detail a little further about what in the article seems an Ad ? Maybe quoting some sentences will help... It's my first article and maybe I'm not getting the right style... I tried to be objective although I'm a (small) contributor to the Aptoide open source project... After this article I was thinking in about contributing with some more technical article in the Android landscape. Thank you for your help me in get in the right track!

SteveMoLang (talk) 07:10, 22 November 2012 (UTC)


 * Changed my mind, although I don't really like the excessive "aptoiddev store" citations. Other app articles do this as well, so I changed my review. Good luck getting all the images approved. — WylieCoyote 08:15, 22 November 2012 (UTC)


 * Hi. Thank you. I'll keep that in mind and maintain the neutral style. Any other suggestions, feel free to send me. SteveMoLang (talk) 18:53, 22 November 2012 (UTC)

Peter "Petey" Andrews article submission
Hello. Thank you for your recent review of my article submission regarding the musician Peter "Petey" Andrews. What seems to be the crux of the matter regarding his eligibility is noteworthiness. Mr. Andrews has been a bandleader for a performing unit that includes two musicians already deemed notable, namely drummer Pete Thomas and violinist Lisa Germano. To the best of my understanding, this meets the requirement for notability. Confirmation can be seen on the Wikipedia pages for Mr. Thomas and Ms. Germano, and also in an issue of HITS magazine. Is HITS considered an unreliable source? I'm no longer as involved with entertainment journalism as I was when I contributed to the LA Times and Rolling Stone, but my impression is that it is well regarded within the music industry. Please advise.

With best wishes,

Byron Laursen — Preceding unsigned comment added by Byron Laursen (talk • contribs) 18:38, 22 November 2012 (UTC)
 * Hello, Mr. Laursen, HITS magazine may be acceptable, but Wiki articles need more than just one reference, and listing Thomas and Germano's Wiki articles as references are not acceptable. If you will read my attached note to the Decline, other wikis belong in a separate "See Also" section below the "References". Thanks. Oh, and by the way, AfC frowns on duplicate submissions, as in Wikipedia talk:Articles for creation/Petey Andrews. Please work on this original article, merging Peter "Petey" Andrews with it.— WylieCoyote 06:07, 23 November 2012 (UTC)

Nadir M. García
Hello CAWylieChoseyourdestiny (talk) 10:32, 30 November 2012 (UTC)I would like to to know if the recent article about spanish painter Nadir M. García is being evaluated,I can see it was declined. Has the article been changed, can I help with it? I have been his admirer for lots of years, following his artwork. Thank you — Preceding unsigned comment added by Choseyourdestiny (talk • contribs)


 * You need to find the "When you are ready to resubmit, click here" line in the Decline box to re-submit it. That's the only way it can ever be evaluated again, but first you need to study WP:INCITE. — WylieCoyote 21:39, 30 November 2012 (UTC)


 * Hello CAWylie. I would like to know if the new version (english one) of Nadir M. García (spanish painter) was already submitted and is it being evaluated currently because I don't see any changes. Thank you.Choseyourdestiny (talk) 12:12, 8 December 2012 (UTC)


 * You must fix the inline citations and re-submit it as I described above. Thank you. — WylieCoyote 14:24, 8 December 2012 (UTC)

I did not screw up the TV by the Numbers article!
For your information, mister, I did not screw up the TV by the Numbers December 3rd article on the Nikita (season 3) page! I just updated it. AdamDeanHall (talk) 20:45, 6 December 2012 (UTC)
 * Uh yes, somehow you did. See this edit and scroll down to References. But it's all good, and thanks for stopping by! — WylieCoyote 01:00, 7 December 2012 (UTC)

Hello
In an attempt to get past the impasse that has been reached re the capitalisation of I in intro on the Star Trek into Darkness article, I have created two additional sub-sections where users can put their for/against argument comments in without getting caught up in Beating a dead horse. If you could come and give your view that would be great. MisterShiney   ✉    21:10, 7 December 2012 (UTC)
 * Thanks, I gave my $0.02 (see "into") and that's the last you'll hear from me. I don't get into horse beatings, and that discussion is the epitome of one. I can get through afternoon traffic quicker than I can that particular talk page. — WylieCoyote 21:41, 7 December 2012 (UTC)

Articles for deletion/British Family (unofficial TV series)
Hi. Please review: The article remained undeleted for nearly  10 hours until  I  spotted it. Thanks. Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 02:35, 9 December 2012 (UTC)
 * Non-admin closure
 * Deletion process


 * Thanks, but 13 Deletes seemed plenty to close it one day early:

Early closure In general, deletion discussions should remain open for at least seven days to allow interested editors ample time to participate. However, under certain circumstances, discussions may be closed prior to the seven-day timeframe.

Closers should apply good judgment before speedily closing a discussion, since often it is best to allow the discussion to continue for the full seven days.


 * Just trying to help. I'll know better next time. — WylieCoyote 02:47, 9 December 2012 (UTC)


 * It' wasn't about closing  it  one day  early, although that  is also  an issue -  AfD should not  be closed as 'delete' by  editors who  do  not  have the tools to  delete articles. Please follow the links above. Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 03:07, 9 December 2012 (UTC)


 * Fine, whatever. One out of 1000 minor rule-breakers got busted today. Yay. —WylieCoyote 03:17, 9 December 2012 (UTC)

The Real Housewives of New Jersey
Thank-you for taking a look at The Real Housewives of New Jersey and grading it class "C". There has been a lot of disruption on that article, and also the episode list. Sorry I cannot talk to you in Wiki-links right now. There are a few people who have added very good content, or maybe, "C"-content ha ha. And an unfortunately powerful faction of people with admin powers who have behaved very heavy-handily with their admin powers. There are people watching the page though so it is only a matter of time.24.0.133.234 (talk) 11:07, 12 December 2012 (UTC)Thank-You!♥
 * You're welcome. I just thought it was well past being a "Start" and it's more than a "List" or "Stub". And most admins are good ones with good intentions while others are not. — WylieCoyote 16:02, 12 December 2012 (UTC)

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off the bar
Many thanks for your kind advice! — Preceding unsigned comment added by Old Bedan (talk • contribs) 17:45, 29 December 2012 (UTC)


 * You're welcome! — WylieCoyote 04:19, 30 December 2012 (UTC)