User talk:CBSImprov

Conflict of interest with Cold Bath Street band
Was just looking at the edit history of Cold Bath Street and noticed that you created the article - just wanted to let you know that Wikipedia discourages people from editing articles when they have a conflict of interest. Based on your user page, it seems like you do have a conflict of interest since you're involved with the band. Just wanted to clarify if that's the case? --MadameOctavian (talk) 10:55, 10 February 2022 (UTC)

Hi. Not sure if you'll be able to see this --MadameOctavian I'm finding the whole process extremely baffling and offputting. I'm just trying to contribute information so people can understand the project and how it links in to other artists and contributes to the wider musical picture. I do get asked about it and it would be great to have a page that could then be built and refined by other users as things continue to develop. To be clear, if someone else had written this article is it appropriate? thanks for advice. CBSImprov (talk) 12:13, 13 February 2022 (UTC)CBSImprov


 * I think Willondon has explained the issues with the sources in your article well below, so I won't add too much more - I'll just say that it's understandable that it can be frustrating when you've obviously put a lot of effort into creating an article, especially when there's such a learning curve with editing on Wikipedia. But I think if your main purpose is to provide info about the band, and there aren't sources that treat the band in enough depth as Wikipedia articles require, it's always an option to add this kind of info to the band's website if there is one, or maybe somewhere like https://music.fandom.com/wiki/Music_Hub which is another site that anyone can edit. MadameOctavian (talk) 09:17, 14 February 2022 (UTC)


 * Oh and also about the conflict of interest thing, I was asking just to clarify, so I could put a notice up on the Cold Bath Street talk page so other editors are aware of the conflict of interest. So again, just checking, with you that you are or were involved with the band? MadameOctavian (talk) 09:25, 14 February 2022 (UTC)

Thanks to both of you for these replies. Very helpful. MadameOctavian Re the conflict-of-interest issue. Yes, I am writing about a project that I am directly involved in. I would suggest that in this case, this gives accurate information from the most informed source about emerging new practice that other people would not be able to discuss with any accuracy. I understand if this means if this is incorrect in this platform, particularly with willonden's information about the need for secondary sources.92.12.214.112 (talk) 10:33, 16 February 2022 (UTC)CBSImprov

Proposed deletion of Cold Bath Street


The article Cold Bath Street has been proposed for deletion&#32;because of the following concern: "Does not meet GNG; five sources: 1 Wikilink, 2 only mention subject as part of a show line-up; 2 local coverage of album release"

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Please consider improving the page to address the issues raised. Removing will stop the proposed deletion process, but other deletion processes exist. In particular, the speedy deletion process can result in deletion without discussion, and articles for deletion allows discussion to reach consensus for deletion. signed, Willondon (talk) 17:45, 10 February 2022 (UTC)


 * Thanks for taking time to review my first article.Willondon I am not a computer expert and useless with jargon so I've really struggled with these pages. I'm just trying to add information that I think I'll be useful to the wider world. I do get asked to explain what this project is and was hoping to be easily able to link that in and pass it on. But I may just have misunderstood the purpose of these pages. Re the links - I thought I'd linked a list of wiki articles on improvising musicians? (clicked the links in the editor and text cam up blue)  The university's main site is not 'local'. Anyway, it seems from what your colleague says that the article doesn't fit within the rules to write about your own projects. Appreciate your advice on whether to continue with this article CBSImprov (talk) 12:31, 13 February 2022 (UTC)CBSImprov


 * It's been noted that conflict of interest is an issue. Personally, I don't consider it much when assessing notability (it's either notable or it isn't), although it makes some suspicious, and it can't help but colour your self-assessment of the band's notability.
 * The article at WP:GNG outlines the general guidelines for assessing notability. This is the issue with the article as it stands. Links are used (1) for directing readers to related information, and (2) pointing to the source of information presented in the article. Only type (2) will help establish notability (see Primary, secondary and tertiary sources in the No original research article). So the internal Wikilink (circular reference) and the YouTube link (primary source) don't help to establish notability. Neither do the two sources that merely mention the band as part of a performance line-up; they don't report on the band in any depth. What's needed is secondary sources reporting on the band. "Local" is up for interpretation. I've assumed the university's news publications are of interest only to those connected to the university, or those interested in Central Lancashire in general. What would be preferable is something like New Musical Express, Mojo or Kerrang! (don't think they cover CBS's genre, though). Doesn't have to be that widely read, but something with a broader audience than the Lancashire regions.
 * I see there might be something there, so: the "PROD" process sets a one week ticking clock, which anyone can defuse by removing the template; yourself included, but I've just done it to allow more time for producing other references to notability. If that hasn't happened, it can be nominated later at Articles for deletion, which is a more formal process for deciding, allowing time for deficiencies to be corrected, and hopefully attracting a broader range of Wikipedians that may be able to improve the article so that it is retained. Cheers, and good luck.  signed, Willondon (talk)  19:23, 13 February 2022 (UTC)

Thank you for taking the time to give this information. Willondon It's very useful both in considering the project (and it is a project not just a band - workshops, outreach etc. - I could have explained that much better) on these pages and in a wider sense. Though we've been active and done quite a lot over a number of years, I don't seek out reviews for our activities, persuade people to write about us etc. as I'm not really interested in status, hence the notability rating is currently going to be quite low. Still, I will do some searches to see if we've been discussed in places that would fit better with your notability guidelines. Hopefully as you say other Wikipedians can contribute and develop a better article. Re UCLan: Although the part of the university's mission is to connect with local communities, and they do have a good percentage of students that come from the North-West of England, it's an international institution and certainly in terms of research inc. CBS, as with most universities, are working on an international basis. CBSImprov (talk) 10:57, 16 February 2022 (UTC)CBSImprov

Nomination of Cold Bath Street for deletion
A discussion is taking place as to whether the article Cold Bath Street is suitable for inclusion in Wikipedia according to Wikipedia's policies and guidelines or whether it should be deleted.

The article will be discussed at Articles for deletion/Cold Bath Street until a consensus is reached, and anyone, including you, is welcome to contribute to the discussion. The nomination will explain the policies and guidelines which are of concern. The discussion focuses on high-quality evidence and our policies and guidelines.

Users may edit the article during the discussion, including to improve the article to address concerns raised in the discussion. However, do not remove the article-for-deletion notice from the top of the article. signed, Willondon (talk) 17:15, 22 February 2022 (UTC)