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Closing the Discussion of Whether or Not Breitbart Should Be Described as Far-Right
Hello, the bottom of the discussion block says "Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page." Where is that page? Técnico (talk) 03:59, 6 June 2017 (UTC)

Or, would you please re-open the discussion? Some editors seem to think that all websites right-of-center are far-right. Técnico (talk) 04:00, 6 June 2017 (UTC)


 * Técnico, this has been discussed and settled. See the archives. RS describe it as far-right. Yes, not all right-wing websites are "far-right", but Breitbart does happen to be extremely far-right (or very conservative), same difference. It's much further right than Fox News. Check out this source. -- BullRangifer (talk) 06:07, 7 June 2017 (UTC)


 * Carl Fredrik, why are you marginalizing Wikipedia? You complained on my talk page about wasting time.  Wikipedia is wasting time of those searching for Breitbart and then encountering the Wikipedia article's left-wing echo chamber.  Therefore, to help to dissuade others from trying to correct the article's obvious mistake, please allow at least a summary of the "rehashed" argument to be placed on the article's talk page.  For example,
 * Why the Adjective Far-Right Is Applied to Breitbart
 * 1. Some left-leaning news outlets called Breitbart "far-right" in some of their coverage.
 * 2. Some left-leaning news outlets and others called Breitbart "conservative"
 * 3. Wikipedia held some kind of an informal survey
 * 4. The survey said to use the adjective far-right.
 * 5. All further discussion has been subsequently shutdown. — Preceding unsigned comment added by User: (talk • contribs)
 * I'm frankly not happy with the wording either. I would prefer right-wing extremist. However, since this is very unlikely to go through I choose not to waste time. Please refrain from doing so yourself as well or someone is bound to report you to WP:AN/I for WP:DISRUPTION & WP:HARASSMENT. Carl Fredrik  talk 06:32, 8 June 2017 (UTC)
 * Please cease your overzealous closings (Cf. WP:OZD) of discussions on talk pages. You posted this on my talk page, "If you are engaged in an article content dispute with another editor, discuss the matter with the editor at their talk page, or the article's talk page", when I was simply raising a new perspective. Técnico (talk) 00:26, 16 June 2017 (UTC)
 * No, you were reiterating an old perspective. Please do not WP:HARASS me. Carl Fredrik  talk 06:34, 16 June 2017 (UTC)
 * I apologize if I was reiterating an old perspective. I did not see in the archives where anyone else listed how Wikipedia characterizes some other news outlets.  If it is easy for you to do, would you please provide me a link to that already presented list? Técnico (talk) 03:05, 17 June 2017 (UTC)

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Template:Refimprove
You should be very careful about making "bold" edits to template-protected pages as you did here because normal editors cannot revert them, so the usual WP:BRD process cannot be followed. In this case you should have self-reverted as soon as opposition was expressed, and certainly when you were explicitly asked to do so. Failure to do so can be seen as an abuse of the template-editor user right, and reflects negatively on the user group as a whole. &mdash; Martin (MSGJ · talk) 08:24, 26 June 2017 (UTC)
 * I was aware of discussion, which at first strongly supported the change, with only scant opposition. Seems more opposition crawled out of the woodwork after I had stopped looking, and had I been better informed of it I would have self-reverted. Looking now I see it as consensus favoring the change — however, I do not have the time to run a full RfC to actually implement it, since it now seems we need one. Originally I saw the edit as very uncontroversial as it is in effect the way the template is overwhelmingly used (due to its name).  Carl Fredrik  talk 08:31, 26 June 2017 (UTC)
 * It's always difficult to know whether something will prove controversial, but maintenance template wording is probably an area to exercise extreme caution. Suggest proposing the change on the talk page, and then if there is no opposition within a week you should be safe to make the change. When I said "explicitly asked" I was referring to this ping which should have given you a notification. Regards &mdash; Martin (MSGJ · talk) 08:52, 26 June 2017 (UTC)

'also'
It's fine that you took out 'also' in Breitbart, but in no way does that constitute a 'weasel' word, and in fact goes against its definition. I was using it as a transition word anyway. But, again, I don't mind that you took it out, but I'd rather not be accused of policy violations I did not in fact commit. ‡ Єl Cid, Єl Caɱ̩peador ᐁT₳LKᐃ  15:06, 26 June 2017 (UTC)
 * I'm not specifically accusing you of a policy violation, just informing everyone involved that they should be aware of it — and to keep it in mind when commenting. WP:FALSEBALANCE is extraordinarily important, especially when we have editors who claim the NYT is far-left (as you can see in the archives, and probably still on the main talk page). Carl Fredrik  talk 15:08, 26 June 2017 (UTC)

Breitbart RfC
Hi Carl. I can see what you were trying to do with the RfC, but it didn't work since the rfc tag isn't designed to be added to an existing discussion. You can see it's rather messed up. You need to start a new discussion and add the tag right at the outset. Be sure to present the issue neutrally (per WP:RFC). --Dr. Fleischman (talk) 20:10, 26 June 2017 (UTC)
 * It is very often added in discussions. This is more than certainly early enough. Carl Fredrik  talk 20:12, 26 June 2017 (UTC)
 * Hmm. Carl Fredrik  talk 20:15, 26 June 2017 (UTC)

Your Planned Parenthood 2015 undercover videos controversy edit
The source says so right there in the first paragraph: "...Planned Parenthood on Thursday gave congressional leaders and a committee that is investigating allegations of criminality at its clinics an analysis it commissioned...". — Preceding unsigned comment added by 5.45.62.153 (talk) 14:09, 2 July 2017 (UTC)

Your Disruptive RFC tag on Breitbart - far right consensus
Obviously I don't agree and I think you have misused tagging my RFC. There must be away I can ask for that to be reviewed by someone independant. If you could let me know how I could do that would be great. Thanks --Quadrow (talk) 20:54, 2 July 2017 (UTC)
 * No, you can't exhaust everyone who has ever been touched that page by calling them involved. That strategy ain't biting. We're not running a third RfC on the exact same thing, especially when it's based off a technicality in a closing statement. Carl Fredrik  talk 20:57, 2 July 2017 (UTC)
 * I don't really understand the point you are trying to make here. Nevertheless, it's not a technicality, it's a flaw in the original RFC. My question to you is that I think you are incorrect to do what you did and I would like to refer it. I'm asking you to show me how to do that. Thanks--Quadrow (talk) 21:12, 2 July 2017 (UTC)

quality of life
Hi, you indicated adding a link to the global social change research project on to the quality of life page is promotional or advertising. Could you please tell me exactly why that might be? The project has research and a report about quality of life, that seems fairly objective to me, as it uses data from sources like the UN or World Bank. Thanks Gsoctravel23 (talk) 00:13, 8 July 2017 (UTC)

Merge of Template:Infobox dot-com company
Hey CFCF, can you point me to where the discussion reached consensus on merging Infobox dot-com company into Infobox website? I think Infobox company would be a much better target for any merge. UnitedStatesian (talk) 15:29, 5 June 2017 (UTC)
 * — The issue was that Infobox dot-com company was used for pages that nearly exclusively covered single websites. Any articles about companies should legitimately have the more up-to-date and fully featured Infobox company. No real merge was needed as Infobox company includes all the functionality of the previous template and more. Hope this answers your question.
 * P.S. If any functionality is missing feel free to inform me about it and we can see about adding it. So far no reports of lost functionality. Carl Fredrik  talk 15:47, 5 June 2017 (UTC)
 * So what you're saying is: there was no discussion. And I disagree with your "almost exclusively" characterization: Amazon.com and MercadoLibre are just two of the many, many companies that use Infobox dot-com company.  Can you please revert your redirection of the template so we can move to the final stage of the WP:BRD process?  Thanks! UnitedStatesian (talk) 01:36, 23 June 2017 (UTC)
 * — There was discussion, I will find it for you, but the functionality of both templates is exactly the same, so there is nothing at all to be gained by restoring an exact copy under another name. Carl Fredrik  talk 10:01, 9 July 2017 (UTC)

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Hi Carl, I think you mentioned that you may be able to give me some tips on how to analyze data to see how many links are presently in Wikipedia to Cochrane Reviews. I would greatly appreciate some assistance with this task! Are you free tomorrow (Saturday) to meet? Sorry to leave a message here, I have no other way to contact you! Thanks, JenOttawa (talk) 03:18, 12 August 2017 (UTC)

Your comment at User talk:130.76.24.13
Hi CFCF: Regarding your comment (diff), "Northamerica1000 — 24 hours!? For that amount of disruption?", blocks are supposed to be preventative, to prevent vandalism and disruptive editing from occurring. They are not meant to be punitive. The vandalizing edits all occurred in a short amount of time on 17 August 2017 in rapid succession. As such, a 24-hour block will likely suffice to prevent more vandalism; after being blocked for 24 hours, many ip vandals don't return after the block is lifted. North America1000 23:07, 17 August 2017 (UTC)
 * I just have a very hard time believing that someone who would editwar in that manner is likely to contribute positively in the future. I didn't mean a longer block should by punitive, just that it would be in order simply to prevent more damage, but we will see after the block wares off. Carl Fredrik  talk 23:10, 17 August 2017 (UTC)
 * If the vandalism continues after the block, the block duration can be increased. Check out Wikipedia:Blocking policy § Purpose and goals for more information. North America1000 23:14, 17 August 2017 (UTC)

Michael Quinn Sullivan AfD
Hello. I am not trying to be difficult. However, I am trying to find the paid editor who created the Michael Quinn Sullivan article per our discussion at the related AfD. The article seems to have been created by an anonymous IP and I don't see any blocked for paid editing on that talk page or User page. I randomly tried other editors in the edit history and have not found the "culprit". To which editor are you referring? Thanks. ---Steve Quinn (talk) 03:16, 22 August 2017 (UTC)
 * — While it was created by an IP, most text was added by User:Billy Hathorn & User:Champaign Supernova, both of them blocked for paid editing and sockpuppeting. This makes me suspicious of the IPs as well. Carl Fredrik  talk 08:39, 22 August 2017 (UTC)
 * Thanks for the info. This is what I was thinking you meant. I just didn't know who. Also, I can understand suspecting the Anonymous IP. That makes sense. ---Steve Quinn (talk) 00:58, 23 August 2017 (UTC)

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Per Closing discussions#Challenging a closing, the proper first step is to seek an aggreable resolution with the closer.

Regarding you closure of VPP#Change_suicide_references_to_remove_criminal_allusion:
 * Only in death has revert-contested your closure.
 * Flyer22 Reborn called the close inappropriate.
 * Jayron32 has revert-contested your closure.
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Problems with the close:
 * It was inappropriate to close it without evaluating consensus.
 * The Pump discussion was open for 27 days. There was no apparent good-cause to cut-short the standard 30 days, other than potentially to apply a SNOW.
 * Your closure clearly cut-short imminent evaluation of consensus by someone else, as the standard 30 days was about to expire.
 * The Pump discussion was open nearly a month before the discussion you attempted to redirected to. This is clear forum shopping.
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 * I have made my concerns clear at User talk:Only in death — and do not agree at all that this was inappropriate. The voting began very recently as a reaction to the discussion on WT:MOS — and it is that first vote which is WP:FORUMSHOPPING, not anything which I've done.
 * This is also what precisely is disruptive — with arguments laid out on WP:MOS, but with pretty much negligible discussion on WP:VP — we're doing no one any favors by keeping both open, or even pretending that 10 votes with little substance constitute consensus in the face of another in-depth discussion which actually has more participants already.
 * If you truly disagree that it was not WP:FORUMSHOPPING to start a vote at WP:VP instead of where one existed at WT:MOS — then go ahead and revert me, but I wont. I reverted Only in death because I found him to be incorrect in assuming I did this to get a leg up in the discussion — I don't think it really matters.
 * Carl Fredrik talk 20:37, 1 November 2017 (UTC)
 * Ping . Carl Fredrik  talk 20:37, 1 November 2017 (UTC)
 * I have not been following the discussion closely. Perhaps you could explain to me how a 5 October 2017 Pump discussion was "started in response to" a 30 October 2017 MOS discussion? As a science-geek, I find the potential physics-implementations for time travel to be fascinating :)
 * Even if accurate, it was still inappropriate to preform an involved-close on a Pump discussion that had been running nearly a month, on discussion of encyclopedia-wide applicability of the proposed language change. Alsee (talk) 22:12, 1 November 2017 (UTC)
 * The voting was started today. Carl Fredrik  talk 22:21, 1 November 2017 (UTC)
 * The voting in the VPP discussion started October 8. No matter what part of earth you live in, that meets no reasonable definition of "Today".  -- Jayron <b style="color:#090">32</b> 10:38, 2 November 2017 (UTC)
 * There is a timestamp on that section saying November 1, but this was for "an expansion". I was in the wrong, but only in assuming that timestamps correspond to when the comment was written. Carl Fredrik  talk 15:18, 2 November 2017 (UTC)
 * Ok, it was a mistake and it's resolved. However I'd like to (gently) clarify where things went wrong. The weird revised date was a contributing factor, but that wasn't really where things went wrong. The mistake was grabbing a date from the middle of the discussion. You appear(?) to have jumped to the first bolded response. If you had started from the top, the question as posted 5 October. And on 5 October there were multiple supporting and opposing responses. None of them are bolded, but bolding is an irrelevant convenience. In not-a-vote discussions, non-bolded debate is just as valid as bolded !votes. Alsee (talk) 00:37, 3 November 2017 (UTC)

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This series of edits has significantly improved readability and accuracy. Nice work! I happen to be an American with a Danish wife, and have lived in Denmark for over two decades. We are both educated as Physician assistants in the USA, but became Physical Therapists in Denmark and have had our careers there. Keep up the good work. -- BullRangifer (talk) PingMe 18:26, 25 March 2018 (UTC)

Please stop
Carl, please stop edit warring to restore the videos. They don't comply with WP:V or WP:MEDRS. The company could have released the scripts with inline citations, but it has chosen not to, so we're left with unsourced material, and in a few cases editors have found errors. The whole point of WP:V is that readers are able to check the sources for themselves. SarahSV (talk) 21:06, 28 March 2018 (UTC)
 * I will restore videos that are removed in absence of any discussion regarding errors. I would suggest no actions regarding this issue until the RFC has passed, as currently any attempt to point out errors may be motivated by other reasons than wanting to improve Wikipedia, such as WP:GAMING. Carl Fredrik  talk 21:10, 28 March 2018 (UTC)
 * You wrote at the RfC: "a single person trying to overwhelm all other posters is not substitute for discussion". In that spirit, there is no need to post under every response you disagree with. See WP:BLUDGEON. SarahSV (talk) 22:05, 28 March 2018 (UTC)

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Hi, I'm currently adding this message to a few user talk pages. You are likely already aware, but I'll formally place this notice here too.

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