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Interview invitation from a Wikipedia researcher in University of Minnesota
Hello CFCF,

I am Bowen Yu, a Ph.D. student from GroupLens Research at the University of Minnesota - Twin Cities. Currently, we are undertaking a study about turnover (editors leaving and joining) in WikiProjects within Wikipedia. We are trying to understand the effects of member turnovers in the WikiProject group, in terms of the group performance and member interaction, with a purpose of learning how to build successful online communities in future. More details about our project can be found on this meta-wiki page.

I would like to invite you for an interview if you are interested in our study and willing to share your experience with us. The interview will be about 30 - 45 minutes via either Skype or Google Hangout. You will receive a $10 gift card as compensation afterwards.

Please reach me at bowen@cs.umn.edu if you are interested or have any questions.

Thank you, Bowen

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"Treatment" vs "Therapy"
Hi! Not sure why you made your recent edits to Alternative medicine. According to dictionary.com, "therapy" and "treatment" are pretty much synonyms. In common usage, "therapy" usually refers to something that's multi-process. For example, chemotherapy, physical therapy, and psychotherapy are part of evidence-based medicine (although there's some controversy about the last of these). In my edit last year expanding WebMD, I used "treatment" -- I believe correctly -- to refer to three forms of alt-med that WebMD promotes; it would have sounded strange to refer to them as "therapies". By the way, I don't mean to litter your user-page, but I've voluntarily self-banned myself from both Alternative medicine and Talk:Alternative medicine so as to avoid trouble and time sinks, and that's why I'm putting this here. NightHeron (talk) 14:41, 25 September 2019 (UTC)
 * — I replaced the wording because I consider "treatment" to imply that there is at least a chance that the intervention effectively "treats" the condition. Therapy is a much looser term, and it covers topics such as aromatherapy, which in no sense treat anything. This may be idiosyncratic, but the more I read of the literature — it seems quite an apt distinction. Carl Fredrik  talk 11:22, 27 September 2019 (UTC)
 * , sure, of course you know the medical literature and I don't. But in common usage among non-medical people (that is, most Wikipedia readers) I don't think that distinction holds.  Rather, "therapy" seems to imply a multi-step process, whether evidence-based (like chemotherapy) or not (like aromatherapy), and is not usually used for something simpler like taking a pill on a regular basis, whether the pill is evidence-based like a statin or alt-med like a fish-oil supplement. NightHeron (talk) 11:55, 27 September 2019 (UTC)
 * If nothing else, I can say is that it reads better for me, and that therapy does not imply that in medical literature. However disregarding the semantics, funny you should bring up specifically that example — because most of the controversy surrounding that topic is not related to whether it is alternative or not. There is quite a wealth of literature (read evidence) — showing that Ω3:Ω6 ratio is one of the best predictors of cardiovascular events, whereas LDL is a horrible marker . The issue is down to whether statins confer a reasonable benefit and if supplementation of Ω3 is sufficient to improve the Ω3:Ω6 ratio and decrease CVD.
 * That makes it precisely not an alternative medicine issue — even though it in the popular press can be understood as one. There is biological plausibility between one (omega 3), whereas the underlying mechanistic explanation for statins has been falsified (LDL is not the "artery clogging cholesterol" it was once believed to be). It just goes to show how complex the field is. Carl Fredrik  talk 12:44, 27 September 2019 (UTC)
 * , that's very interesting. Thank you for the information and citations.  The information I had and the source I used when editing WebMD (Julia Belluz of Vox) must be out-of-date on fish-oil supplements.  I guess that at one point in time fish-oil was considered alt-med, but now it's in either category, depending on whether it's produced as a prescription pharmaceutical or as an over-hyped supplement.  As you say, it's complicated.  Concerning statins, I also didn't know the extent of the controversy concerning the importance of reducing LDL.  Your source [2] doesn't really say it's "horrible" as a biomarker, but rather: "Cholesterol levels are among the most widely known examples of biomarkers.  However, even though LDL cholesterol level is an excellent biomarker in many situations, it does not always fully predict cardiovascular disease outcomes; in other words, it cannot be assumed to be a surrogate endpoint.  No surrogate endpoint is a perfect substitute for a clinical endpoint."  The Wikipedia article on statins does not indicate any controversy about overall effectiveness or about the importance of lowering LDL, but only controversy about side effects which, according to the article, have been exaggerated in the media.  So if there is really serious doubt about the significance of LDL levels or the value of statins, it seems the article Statin needs some editing and updating. NightHeron (talk) 23:23, 27 September 2019 (UTC)

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WiR dates
I'm updating the Wikipedian_in_Residence. Is it correct for your WiR position? I've used it to update so that I can automate the WiR table (in progress). T.Shafee(Evo &#38; Evo)talk 05:44, 2 October 2019 (UTC)


 * — Oh, right that table. It's not false per see, but I've only worked during the summer/early autumn, but it has been every year since 2016. I was actually there just a week ago. I don't really know how to fill that in, especially for automation. Thanks for the item ;) .. Carl Fredrik  talk 08:21, 2 October 2019 (UTC)
 * I think it's probably most sensible to keep it as ongoing in that case, since making a separate short entry for each year seems like it'd over-complicate it. T.Shafee(Evo &#38; Evo)talk 03:35, 3 October 2019 (UTC)

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New Wikimedian in Residence table
A new wikimedian in residence table should soon be implemented based on data from Wikimedian_in_residence (draft table). If there are any WiRs you know that are missing, please add them. In the meantime, see the map! T.Shafee(Evo &#38; Evo)talk 08:49, 27 October 2019 (UTC)

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Wikipedia:WikiProject Grey literature
Hi CFCF! I stumbled upon WikiProject Grey literature while looking through lists of WikiProjects. It looks like you were drafting a WikiProject last year but then moved on to other things? In its current state, it seems like its not a WikiProject per se (i.e. it's not a place where editors are collaborating on some topic). Any objection to me moving it back to your userspace for now? You're certainly welcome to re-launch it anytime (you may find the sometimes-dormant WikiProject Council/Proposals useful for drumming up interest, or more likely your native WT:MED). I hope all is well. Happy editing. Ajpolino (talk) 00:01, 7 November 2019 (UTC)

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Talk page edit, closing comments
Just FYI, I changed "RfC" in your closing comments to "RM", because these are two different processes and WP:RM handles moves rather than WP:RfC. Sorry for the refactoring. I would not be too surprised if you have some trouble based upon being a non-admin closing the requests early when 7 days is mandated, but I am not bothered by the closes myself. On the other hand, you suggested that all pages that are involved should be included in the new request. I think this is probably not the case for the virus (2019 novel coronavirus-->SARS-CoV-2 or Severe acute respiratory syndrome coronavirus 2) because all of the other articles involved will be discussing changing names related to what the disease is called (e.g. 2019-nCoV acute respiratory disease-->COVID-19 or Coronavirus disease 2019, 2019–20 Wuhan coronavirus outbreak-->2019–20 COVID-19 outbreak, etc.). Can you clarify this issue in your closing comments to draw a distinction? Best, Dekimasu よ! 02:49, 13 February 2020 (UTC)


 * Thank you, sorry about that miss. I don't really mind a little bit of trouble for me, if is saves 100 editors from arguing when better things could be done for now. I think a better way to put it would be that all the article naming should be considered when starting an RM, as there were currently several different ones. I'll see if I can fix it. Carl Fredrik  talk 02:58, 13 February 2020 (UTC)
 * If you're serious about saving editors trouble, than I suggest you either revert your close, or change it to close but "move to the new title", since that is the title it is inevitably going to end up at. Otherwise, you're going to see a WP:MR on top of the (in my view) totally unnecessary discussion on whether to keep this title for a couple more days (for no particularly convincing reason). Sean Heron (talk) 07:24, 13 February 2020 (UTC)
 * CFCF simply failed to follow the guidelines on closure in WP:RMNAC - did not wait for seven days, which would suggest not knowing the guidelines (therefore non-admin closure is inappropriate). Personally I think the page move proposals are wrong-headed, and would prefer different move proposals be restarted, but WP:MR may be necessary if only to stop other editors prematurely and inappropriately closing discussion, thereby disrupting the discussion process. Either that or revert the closure, but I don't think CFCF should change them to "move to the new title" since that may result in a WP:MR anyway from those unhappy with the conclusion reached by a non-admin. Hzh (talk) 09:37, 13 February 2020 (UTC)

— I disagree profoundly that I did not follow the guidelines on closure — and have no further comments as to that. As for the comments from, I find your position in this question to clearly indicate editing with an agenda. If you read my RM-close I am very clear that it should be taken without prejudice for opening a new RM. The intent was not to quash discussion but to postpone "voting" and to direct discussion elsewhere, as it has been accurately pointed out — less adversarially toned discussion occured. Carl Fredrik talk 03:09, 14 February 2020 (UTC)
 * The point is that when something is highly contentious (as evidenced by the number of people participating in a short time), then leave the closure to the admin. Otherwise it will not help anything because someone will contest the decision, and it will only prolong the discussion elsewhere (I have seen this in other cases when non-admins closed highly-contentious disputes, one of which spilt over to multiple boards due to the disagreement over the closure). In cases where the overwhelming majority !vote for one option, then no one is bothered if you close early. Another previous closure was contested because the closure ignored the majority opinion using a wrong argument, therefore it was reverted. In this case, you did presented a valid argument, but it is still preferable to let the discussion run its course than attempting to cut it short. Hzh (talk) 11:04, 14 February 2020 (UTC)
 * (Edit-conflict) To be clear, I'm awaiting your reaction (as suggested by WP:MR, but I'll be opening the Move review myself if the issue I'm addressing is not resolved (and if noone preempts me). According to somewhat arcane processes here, Consensus is driven by Policy, not by the number of "supports" or "opposes" going one way or the other (not-a-vote). And the policy is as clear as it gets - one the one hand we have a name that had a 1/3 higher "Google Trends" result than the temporary official name, and on the other hand we have the name used by the WHO, national health agencies, all and every journal, as well as the majority of (reliable) news outlets - ie the WP:COMMONNAME.
 * Hear from you later, Sean Heron (talk) 09:46, 13 February 2020 (UTC)
 * Seems to me that 'policy' pages you guys should be reading are WP:PLAYPOLICY and WP:RIGHTGREATWRONGS. I you keep talking about WP:MR and threathening it as if it's some sort of punishment but you won't actually open one because the community will most definately see your POV pushing as WP:TENDENTIOUS. You guys need to step away and cool it with lashing out against uninvolved editors following very established policy such as WP:COMMONAMES. Melmann 20:14, 13 February 2020 (UTC)
 * You should be careful with accusing anyone of WP:TENDENTIOUS editing without any actual evidence that this is what they are doing. Discussion pages are meant for discussion, pointing out that what is done is wrong in talk pages is not WP:TENDENTIOUS, which is about content editing. Hzh (talk) 21:13, 13 February 2020 (UTC)
 * @Melmann - Didn't mean to, and don't think I was lashing out against anyone. Just pointing out that I think these closes are on very thin ice (if the reasoning is "save people trouble", then that reasoning, in my view, can be far better applied to just going through with the moves, as its pretty obvious that's where the articles are going to end up at). And if I say that "I will in fact open a Move review myself if the issue is not addressed", then I'm trying to be forthright actually... I get that it can be read as threatening, and I'm sorry if its taken that way (it wasn't).
 * I certainly don't see how I'm playing policy or crusading against WP Policy to "right wrongs". In fact, the wrong is that the articles are still at the current title at all (it never really was the common name). But if you're trying to point out that I think its a good thing to move an article from a title that encourages xenophobia to one that doesn't - then sure, you're 100% right on that one (the point being - I'm not crusading against established policy in doing so). — Preceding unsigned comment added by Sean Heron (talk • contribs) 21:55, 13 February 2020 (UTC)

Content dispute at Coronavirus disease 2019
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Hi Carl! You expressed interest over at the pandemic page in helping welcome new editors. Per my reply, here are some initiatives in progress at the WP:Welcoming committee and WP:Help Project you may be interested in: Your insights would be welcome on any of these! Cheers, Sdkb (talk) 19:26, 22 March 2020 (UTC)
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COVID-19 Other Names Section
I do not understand why you undid my change https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Coronavirus_disease_2019&diff=946645920&oldid=946645856 of the Coronavirus disease 2019 article.

My background is hearing how Mr "trump" and his "republican" friends and media use other names, and I can only assume, for reasons of manipulation and misleading people.

Many people can have "other names" for many concepts and one doesn't usually highlight that. Example: Jeans - Pants - Trousers.

I think the whole section of "other names" should be removed, the disease is called COVID-19, which is taken from Coronavirus Disease 2019. One may cover the above "wrong" names under the Terminology section of the article section.

I looked through the references https://time.com/5768230/wuhan-pneumonia-flu-crisis-china-government/  and https://foreignpolicy.com/2020/01/14/china-response-wuhan-pneumonia-better-sars/ and I think they are hardly authoritative.

Can you give a good reason?

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 * — Yes, it's definitely a complicated issue, but also not something where we should be too quick to judge the consensus, and with an ongoing discussion it was premature to remove them all. You can find the terms which I restored in the medical literature and in press releases by major public health and disease control agencies. I don't like to bring my personal opinion into the issue of the new names uttered by politicians; but as for the ones I left, they weren't obviously controversial when first used, and were used widely. Carl Fredrik  talk 20:01, 22 March 2020 (UTC)

A beer for you!

 * — Thank you — and no you're not, it's a tough situation for all of us. Many new editors with strong opinions, an old crew trying to keep order; and crazy personal situations all-around. We're all doing our best. I'd give you a beer too, maybe next Wikimania. Apologies are in order from my side, I won't bother you on your talk-page more for now. Carl Fredrik  talk 20:18, 23 March 2020 (UTC)
 * , it have only been your messages that have quickly ended the problematic situation. Without them, the page would still be protected, possibly tomorrow and the day after. Thank you for the kind response to my apology, and for even having been the first to apologize, even in a situation where your valid criticism was incorrectly dismissed. You'd be absolutely welcome to message me again at any time in the future, and bothering people about bad decisions is fine. Regarding Wikimania, I had only recently seen the rescheduling and have to admit that I was sad about the location thus staying the same in 2021. I am irrationally, overly afraid of criminality in foreign countries – either about becoming a victim of a crime or being unjustly convicted. I shouldn't have had a look at, which is a pretty normal description that could fit to any country in the world including Germany, yet scares me enough to stay home. Perhaps that changes until 2021, but I'm afraid the beer will need to wait a few more years. :)
 * All the best, Tobias (talk) 20:34, 23 March 2020 (UTC)

Why were all my edits deleted?
Hi CFCF, Please let me know why you have deleted all my edits (to the Wikipedia page 'biopsychosocial model'). In my edits I used good peer reviewed academic articles (not primary sources) as supporting references to replace/add to the old references cited in the article (not primary sources). I have explained a few of the edits I did in more detail below (it would take too long to explain all the edits).

- In this article, the section “Current Model” cited an article (Borrell-Carrió et al) that was published more then 15 years ago! I replaced it with a 2020 article as well as a 2018 article published in Lancet that is available online.

- In the “History” section, there were a couple of sentences that make unsupported claims (sentences “For example, a person may have a genetic predisposition ……… cognitive factors must trigger the illness). These sentences do not have a reference citation and also research shows that just the opposite may be the case (see the reference “Culverhouse, R. C., et al. (2018). Collaborative meta-analysis finds no evidence of a strong interaction between stress and 5-HTTLPR genotype contributing to the development of depression. Molecular psychiatry, 23(1), 133”).

- The other edits I did also have good explanations, which are too long to write here. I also felt that the article deviates from the main focus of biopsychosocial model in several places. Also some sentences were written in a child-like (non academic) manner, which I corrected. The edits I did were carefully planned over several days (a lot of time was spent on them). Could you please provide me detailed reasons as to why you deleted each one of my carefully planned edits.

Sandyshore (talk) 22:43, 24 March 2020 (UTC)


 * — Peer review has nothing to do with whether an article is a WP:Primary source or not. Please take a look at WP:MEDRS, it has a very detailed section on this. Carl Fredrik  talk 22:48, 24 March 2020 (UTC)


 * Hi CFCF,
 * I know very well that peer review has nothing to do with whether something is a primary source or not. I have an academic background and therefore I know this very well.


 * Please note that none of the articles I used in my many edits today were primary sources (i.e., they were not based on singular studies – please feel free to take a careful look at my edits). I used secondary and even tertiary sources (i.e., articles that summarized a range of primary and secondary sources to give an overview of current understanding of the topic). I did not use a single primary source in those edits.


 * Also, I was planning to delete a primary source that is currently listed in the article (Simon et al., 2019 – it is currently listed close to the end of the article) – but JzG reverted my edits before I was finished with my edits.


 * I truly hope that you would revert my edits, considering that I did several days of planning before doing the edits today.


 * Thank you.


 * Sandyshore (talk) 23:45, 24 March 2020 (UTC)


 * — If you truly did use secondary sources, feel free to restore your content yourself; it may be a good idea to refer to this discussion in the edit summary, to list that I do not consider it as you reverting me if you remove all primary sources (see WP:3RR for why this is important). I do not have time to take a closer look until tomorrow. Carl Fredrik  talk 00:01, 25 March 2020 (UTC)


 * Hello Carl: Thank you. As you suggested, I reverted to the previous version and also spent a lot of time today to carefully plan and edit the article again, but JzG has deleted all my edits again! Could you please do something about this please?
 * Thank you.
 * Sandyshore (talk) 17:15, 25 March 2020 (UTC)

On SARS
Hey there! I noticed you reverted my change to Severe acute respiratory syndrome, citing concerns about people in China getting confused about SARS vs Special Administrative Regions. I think my change is still justified as, well, Wikipedia is blocked in China, and it's not 2003 any more (In light of COVID-19, "SARS" of any variation means the syndrome, regardless of if it is a small "s"). ItsPugle (talk) 07:35, 26 March 2020 (UTC)


 * I thought about changing it back and took a second look, but didn't go through with it. I agree it's not an ideal solution, and the whole case would be better handled in a short sentence or two about the confusion with SARs in the article. But since there was no such section I think we ought to keep the blurb at the top of the article until it's been expanded with a mention like that. Carl Fredrik  talk 07:56, 26 March 2020 (UTC)


 * Yeah, I get that. Maybe it's worth just merging it in with the other tag? That'll mean that it's at least styled the same. And maybe instead of " the SARs of China," it could be "Chinese Special Administrative Regions" - just so people know that that it's talking about such regions, and not the prevalence of SARS in China? ItsPugle (talk) 07:59, 26 March 2020 (UTC)
 * — Sure, feel free to go ahead with that. You could also use the confuse-tag. Carl Fredrik  talk 08:10, 26 March 2020 (UTC)

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"Charity in the COVID-19 pandemic"
Thank you for your rapid response. As I stated, I am still learning about wikipedia. However, I would like to see this new page launched. Do you know of someone in the community who might be interested in doing a kick-start for this in the near future? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Javacertified5000 (talk • contribs) 16:32, 29 March 2020 (UTC)


 * I've responded on the talk page: Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_COVID-19 Carl Fredrik  talk 22:12, 29 March 2020 (UTC)

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Why is the biopsychosocial model “woo”?
Hi, hope you will reply me in the talk page of the biopsychosocial model. In my comments on that page, I have clearly explained that all the references I cited are ones that were published within the last three years, and also that none of them were primary sources. I would also really like to know how/why the biopsychosocial model is considered “woo.” In my comments, I also listed several problematic issues related to this wikipedia article – so, instead of actually carrying out my edits, I can simply apply tags that identify these problematic issues so that someone in the future can come along and address them – that way, people reading this wikipedia article would not be mislead/misguided.

Thank you.

Sandyshore (talk) 16:20, 31 March 2020 (UTC)


 * — I am very busy up until the 16th, and after that will likely be even more busy with COVID-19. I will do my best to respond, but rest assured I have not claimed the biopsychosocial model is woo. Rather certain interpretations of the model are woo, like how certain application of legitimate pharmaceuticals are woo when misused. I will point out that I find the biopsychosocial model fascinating and central in understanding many conditions. As I have not gone into depth with regards to your sources I can't say whether they are woo, but I know is very good at spotting it, and trust his judgement.  Carl Fredrik  talk 16:27, 31 March 2020 (UTC)


 * Thank you . By the way, all my sources were peer reviewed established academic journal articles and are NOT woo. I find it very difficult to carry out a conversation with JzG and his short answers are not convincing at all – therefore I will wait for you to reply whenever that might be. (By the way, I also think it is very irresponsible of editors to delete all edits without engaging in a conversation in the talk page before doing so – as long as I know this goes against Wikipedia policies).
 * Sandyshore (talk) 16:47, 31 March 2020 (UTC)

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Thanks, Sandy Georgia (Talk)  14:17, 1 April 2020 (UTC)

Oh no
Hi,

I'm shocked. Did my recent mistake contribute to this decision in any way?

Independently of the answer, I wish you all the best.

Best regards, Tobias (talk) 00:44, 2 April 2020 (UTC)

IRC
You'd gone before I'd finished looking. There's been no discussion with the user - there's no welcome, or anything else on their talk page. I'd start there. Hope that helps, Cabayi (talk) 08:59, 4 April 2020 (UTC)


 * IRC crashed. Yeah, I was more interested in whether the additions constituted BLP-violations that should be purged from the history. If the answer was no, that is a learning experience for me as well. Thanks. Carl Fredrik  talk 09:01, 4 April 2020 (UTC)


 * I took the name off the one which remained. They're not public figures so their bigotry or xenophobia or tweeting-without-a-brain is viable as examples of public reaction. Using Wikipedia as a public pillory is not. Had they not been sourced I'd be inclined to revdel, but as they each came with a source which corroborated the story, there's no need or point. I'm AGFing on the Texas one - the source won't load for me, a GDPR HTTP 451 I guess, though it doesn't show like that.
 * You may get a different opinion from another admin who is more experienced in BLP issues, but I'm pretty sure of my reasoning, and I see you've already found WP:BLP/N. FWIW I agree the article needs radical pruning, but I don't see that being successful while people are still so heated on the topic. Regards, Cabayi (talk) 12:20, 4 April 2020 (UTC)

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Wikipedia:Sockpuppet investigations/Feinoa
Please file it under the correct master. Cabayi (talk) 19:41, 3 April 2020 (UTC) ...with some evidence. Cabayi (talk) 19:42, 3 April 2020 (UTC)


 * — I was not aware that a new master-account had been found upon reporting. I don't even know where to place it in a non-automated way. I also do not know what more evidence is necessary. Last time I posted about a new account that had only edited three articles, all of which were an odd combination to begin with and closely tied to the contributions of another recently blocked editor — that counted as sufficient evidence. Carl Fredrik  talk 20:05, 3 April 2020 (UTC)


 * The same automated stuff you did with Feinoa, if you do it again with Ineedtostopforgetting as the master, that'll be fine. And then self-revert your addition at Sockpuppet investigations/Feinoa, and all will be well. It's two edits for you to do, it's at least 4 for any clerk who tries to fix it (move, history merge, & adjust headers on both reports).
 * As for the evidence, I didn't examine it, it just looked at first glance to be very light. If you think it's enough, that's fine. Thanks, Cabayi (talk) 20:17, 3 April 2020 (UTC)
 * — I've done it. That all in all makes 4 edits for me too, and learning a new process. I can't see it going better in the future either, because Twinkle doesn't let me easily know if a new master has been found. It seems like this way was more work for everyone. Carl Fredrik  talk 21:01, 3 April 2020 (UTC)
 * Thanks, and thanks for the feedback. I'll give it some thought and feed it to the Twinkle folks. Cabayi (talk) 21:27, 3 April 2020 (UTC)
 * I've requested a fix at Wikipedia talk:Twinkle. Regards, Cabayi (talk) 12:11, 11 April 2020 (UTC)

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