User talk:CIOCollaborative

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Speedy deletion of Test link page
A tag has been placed on Test link page, requesting that it be speedily deleted from Wikipedia. This has been done under section G11 of the criteria for speedy deletion, because the page seems to be blatant advertising which only promotes a company, product, group, service or person and would need to be fundamentally rewritten in order to become an encyclopedia article. Please read the guidelines on spam as well as FAQ/Business for more information.

If you think that this notice was placed here in error, you may contest the deletion by adding  to the top of the page that has been nominated for deletion (just below the existing speedy deletion or "db" tag), coupled with adding a note on the talk page explaining your position, but be aware that once tagged for speedy deletion, if the article meets the criterion it may be deleted without delay. Please do not remove the speedy deletion tag yourself, but don't hesitate to add information to the article that would would render it more in conformance with Wikipedia's policies and guidelines. Lastly, please note that if the article does get deleted, you can contact one of these admins to request that they userfy the article or have a copy emailed to you. Fiddle Faddle (talk) 21:55, 4 February 2009 (UTC)

Thanks for your note. I'll see if I can answer some of the questions you raise. First of all, a page called Test link page that is about a professional organization with a completely different name would qualify for immediately deletion under any circumstances, because the body of the article doesn't match the title -- no one would conceivably look for information about an organization called "GMIS" under this title. So if you're going to try this again, try to call the page something that relates to the topic of the article. Second, the article I saw had no reliable sources and no assertion of notability. What that means is that the article had nothing except the assertions of the author and the organization itself that such an organization existed and that it did what it said it did. It needed reliable sources to back it up, which is to say that a quotation from someone (more than one someone) outside the organization who is an arm's-length third party expert needs to be provided, so that the reader can verify the information provided. Finally, and this is a point that new editors find difficult to understand, the mere existence of an organization is not sufficient reason for the existence of an article about that organization in Wikipedia. The organization must be notable -- either you must be able to demonstrate that the organization is better than other, similar professional organizations, or that it operates at a national or international level, or is very widely known. I didn't see any assertion of notability in the article, which is a key factor.

You might find it useful to start by reading some of our basic policies that were outlined for you above, such as WP:Your first article. One point, though, is that we have a policy that every page is considered entirely in terms of the material in its own article -- references to other articles that you suggest are similar are not considered useful. (By the way, I don't think there's any notability inherent in the other article you cited, and I may go tag that one for deletion too. I'm sorry if you picked a bad example to model your article on.)  And, yes, articles about not-for-profit organizations are subject to the same rules about advertising as for-profit organizations -- if unsupported claims about the excellence of the organization are made, or if you try to put the reader into direct contact with the organization, etc. (the rules are laid out at WP:SPAM). Nothing is stopping you from having another try at creating this article -- see if you can do it in such a way as to fit within our policies. If you want the deleted content to work on in a "sandbox" page, where you can edit it and add references, etc., without worrying about its being deleted, let me know, I'll be happy to do that for you. And if you have further questions, leave me another note. Accounting4Taste: talk 22:27, 4 February 2009 (UTC)
 * Sorry, I've misled you a little bit. "Founded in 1971, GMIS International (GMIS) is the largest professional organization for public sector information technology (IT) leaders in the United States." is certainly an assertion of notability, so you can ignore my comments on that topic above.  I believe that the article was tagged as advertising because of the unsupported statements about the putative benefits of membership that had no references.  Let me know if you have further questions.  Accounting4Taste: talk 22:30, 4 February 2009 (UTC)


 * Indeed it was tagged for that reason. And the latest version is not any better at all.  It looks from memory like the same article with no trouble taken and no familiarisation with policies or thought about all of your advice, above.  Fiddle Faddle (talk) 22:14, 10 February 2009 (UTC)

Speedy deletion of GMIS International
A tag has been placed on GMIS International requesting that it be speedily deleted from Wikipedia. This has been done under section A7 of the criteria for speedy deletion, because the article appears to be about a company or corporation, but it does not indicate how or why the subject is important or significant: that is, why an article about that subject should be included in an encyclopedia. Under the criteria for speedy deletion, such articles may be deleted at any time. Please see the guidelines for what is generally accepted as notable, as well as our subject-specific notability guideline for companies and corporations.

If you think that this notice was placed here in error, you may contest the deletion by adding  to the top of the page that has been nominated for deletion (just below the existing speedy deletion or "db" tag), coupled with adding a note on the talk page explaining your position, but be aware that once tagged for speedy deletion, if the article meets the criterion it may be deleted without delay. Please do not remove the speedy deletion tag yourself, but don't hesitate to add information to the article that would would render it more in conformance with Wikipedia's policies and guidelines. Lastly, please note that if the article does get deleted, you can contact one of these admins to request that they userfy the article or have a copy emailed to you. Tckma (talk) 21:56, 10 February 2009 (UTC)

Please would you elaborate on your user name?
I understand the CIO part. The "collaborative" part: Does this mean that several of you share this username? Fiddle Faddle (talk) 22:17, 10 February 2009 (UTC)

Yes, CIO Collaborative is me (my company). I am the only one who uses this account, I just wanted full disclosure in any of my posts. (Please note, it's not advertising, I am not linking to my company)