User talk:CJCurrie/Archive 2

Social conservatives
Thanks for taking care of michaelm's latest changes. I don't know what it is with this guy. Just recently I reverted his attempt to edit the Christian Heritage Party of Canada to change its description from "social conservative" to "conservative". I ended up wasting time reviewing their platform (ick) to see if there was any significant fiscal conservatism to it, and then explaining to him why "social conservative" was more accuarate than "conservative". I guess he took it to heart, and now wants to slap that label on the RPC and CA. I think I'm gone for the weekend, so good luck. Kevintoronto 22:39, 7 Jan 2005 (UTC)

Democratic socialism
Thanks, CJ. I feel like a baby sitter with this one. Kevintoronto 14:50, 26 Jan 2005 (UTC)

He seems to have let it drop, so I don't want to stir things up. In principle, I suppose both terms should be used upfront in the articles if they represent different political ideologies. the articles on the two do not present a case for a clear distinction. It does seem to be a question of personal preference. DSers would, of course, be the left of SDers, but could you tell the difference if you met them at a party? Let's move on to otehr things. Thanks. Kevintoronto 17:21, 27 Jan 2005 (UTC)

James Albert Manning Aikins
I feel like such a doofus. I added the middle names to the article and then moved the title to James Aikins; when I realized I'd effed up because of the need to keep him disambiguated from his father, I thought "rollback" would do the trick...except all I managed to roll back, apparently, was the inclusion of his middle names in the article text. Duhhhhhhhhhh. Bearcat 02:10, 2 Feb 2005 (UTC)

Cypress (Manitoba riding)
Just saw you'd changed my Cypress (Manitoba) at A.W. Myles to Cypress (Manitoba riding); I've copied this change across to the Cypress disambig page, as I'm assuming that's what you'd prefer for the title. Is that right? - MPF 01:50, 4 Feb 2005 (UTC)

Leadership conventions
Many thanks for cleaning up my mess, CJ. I still have much to learn about this Wiki thing. Kevintoronto 13:36, 4 Feb 2005 (UTC)

capitalization
My understanding has always been that normally, one lowercases a title unless it appears directly in front of a name or in the actual proper title; for instance, "Premier Dalton McGuinty" or "Premier of Ontario", but "He had disagreements with the premier, and resigned from cabinet." I think the variability comes mainly from people misremembering the rule. (I do know a lot of people who think the rule is to capitalize an honour title at all times regardless of the context in which it's used, and I've even done some freelance copy editing work where I had to bite my tongue because "our practice is to capitalize titles whether that's correct or not".) "Minister of Correctional Services", in retrospect, I probably shouldn't have changed, because it is the proper name of a specific ministerial role. I probably wasn't paying close enough attention to what I was doing in that case. Bearcat 02:43, 10 Feb 2005 (UTC)

Oh, and just for the record...I wasn't primarily changing capitalization for the sake of changing capitalization; I did it mainly in the process of disambiguating reeve to reeve (Canada). Bearcat 03:21, 10 Feb 2005 (UTC)

Here's a style guide on the subject.... I'm personally inclined to believe we should be closer to press/general style rather than Official Government Bureaucratese, but that could just be my own bias as an ex-wannabe journalist showing (*grin*) Bearcat 03:31, 10 Feb 2005 (UTC)

FPO and Zundel
My source for the Freedom Party involvement in the Zundel rally is the account of the rally posted on stormfront by Marc Lemire on behalf of Paul Fromm's CAFE

http://www.stormfront.org /forum/showthread.php?t=71961&highlight=freedom+party


 * The demonstration, organized by the Canadian Association for Free Expression, Canada's leading free speech advocacy group, drew supporters from other groups around Southern Ontario. Representatives were present from the Canadian Heritage Alliance, the Northern Alliance, the Nationalist Party, HF Niagara and the Freedom Party.

Don't know if these were just individual Freedom Party members or if the party officially endorsed the demonstration. I'm pretty sure this is the FPO since I have heard from anti-racists previously that the Freedom Party in London has been associated with far-right racist groups. AndyL 06:08, 10 Feb 2005 (UTC)

Social Credit
Michaelm's latest ideology labelling binge has been to apply conservative-populist to all of the socred parties. I am not sure that it doesn't fit, but as usual, he is making edits willy-nilly. Samaritan reverted Alberta Social Credit Party on the basis that the existing description was more appropriate. I reverted Social Credit Party of Ontario on the basis that very little is known about the party, and he probably knows even less and is just applying this new label because he assumes that it fits all Socred parties. As you are the local expert on all things Manitoba (or at least all things about Manitoba politics), I am appeallling to you to decide whether you think this label is appropriate for the Manitoba Social Credit Party. Thanks and regards, Kevintoronto 16:06, 10 Feb 2005 (UTC)

Hey
Hey- why did you delte Andy Chu? That could of been a good article. --218.103.148.179 03:13, 11 Feb 2005 (UTC)

Politicians
I've created new categories for each provincial legislature, so that we can separate elected MPPs/MLAs/MNAs/MHAs from elected MPs from unelected politicians. Bearcat 07:25, 11 Feb 2005 (UTC)

B.J. Eversole
I have to admit, I'm canvassing a bit of a Canadian political editor posse to consider the VfD for Socialist Party of North Carolina leader B.J. Eversole, and no such posse would be complete without you. I hope I've expanded it into a credible treatment, I'm confident his role and party is notable enough on their own certainly for a non-paper encyclopedia, and deletion would set an onerous precedent for articles about other political figures who below certain restrictive notability bars. I hope you'll consider the VfD and, if you feel you should vote, vote as you see best. Danke! Samaritan 14:45, 11 Feb 2005 (UTC)

CPC Central Executive Committee
I've added the names of those elected in 2001 to the CPC's "Central Executive Committee" (ie the Politburo) to the Communist Party of Canada article. I don't know if the CPC has had a convention since 2001 or if the committee's membership has changed at all. AndyL 21:48, 13 Feb 2005 (UTC)

CPC photos
There's a source of photos for CPC candidates at []. I'd say if they aren't public domain (I suspect they are) we can use them as Fair Use. AndyL 23:32, 13 Feb 2005 (UTC)

My reading is that since there is no copyright notice on the page, the photos are public domain. AndyL 23:42, 13 Feb 2005 (UTC)

New Anti-Semitism
The New anti-Semitism article is a POV mess. If you have some time you might want to try to NPOV it or parts thereof. AndyL 05:34, 17 Feb 2005 (UTC)

Federal elections charts
I’d like to get some consensus on what to do about colours in the elections charts, but I don’t want to get into a revert war, so I’m asking people to express their opinions here before any changes are made. Since you have contributed to these pages, I’m inviting your comments. I am initiating this discussion because some of the colours that are currently being used are too dark for some monitors so that it is difficult to read the text. The point of adding colours to the charts is to make it easier for readers to derive information from the charts. This goal is foiled by using colours dark enough to obscure the text. The Wikipedia style guide is clear on the issue:
 * Use colour sparingly. Computers and browsers vary: you cannot know how much colour is presented on the recipient's machine if any. Wikipedia is international: colours have different meaning in different cultures. Too many colours on one page make them look cluttered and unencyclopedic. Use the colour red only for alerts and warnings.

So let’s choose some colours that are light enough that red Wilkilinked text and blue Wikilinked text are both easy to read through.

Please join the discussion at: Talk:Canadian federal election results since 1867. Thanks, Kevintoronto 17:23, 18 Feb 2005 (UTC)

Your redirect
The article is space and the User space are supposed to be separate entities. A redirect to your User page is no more valid in the article space than an article about you. RickK 05:07, Feb 23, 2005 (UTC)

CJCurrie article
I've dealt with your CJCurrie problem by "creating" a blank article with blank article text and protecting it. See Protected_page AndyL 13:22, 23 Feb 2005 (UTC)

Maria Van Bommel
Why did you reverse my edits to this article? She said this about the spousal relationship act

Mrs. Maria Van Bommel (Lambton-Kent-Middlesex): We've heard a lot in the last few hours about things such as "This is housekeeping" and "This is to bring the legislation in line with court rulings." But I think it goes much deeper than that. I can remember only one other time that I've struggled so much with a decision. This goes far beyond party lines; it goes to the core of what we believe in. I know the majority of my constituents and what they will say, and they would say they are opposed.

The act clearly states that my church and my religious beliefs have the right to refuse to be a part of any marriage. It says that very clearly in the act. I'm a practising Catholic. I attend every Sunday with the man that I have been married to for 35 years. Our marriage is defined not only by our church but, more importantly, by us, by our children, our family and our friends.

As a parent, I have taught my children kindness and tolerance. The golden rule governs all. It says, "Love thy God; love thy neighbour." It doesn't say, "Love thy neighbour, except if he's a different colour or from a different religion or from a different gender orientation." We are told that God's love is unconditional and that we should live our lives by that rule.

So I will be voting my conscience. What I want to do is reinforce what I have told my children are the greatest values of all -- love thy God; love thy neighbour -- and so I will be voting in favour.

Provincial Polling
Dear Mr. Currie,

I am glad we came to an agreement. I will accept your final edit and also apologize if I seemed inflexible or have caused any unpleasantness. I only wanted to make sure the written material was fair and unbiased.

Sincerely, "Anonymous Respondent"

Ontario general election, 1999
About your change of the link from Natural Law Party of Canada to Natural Law Party of Ontario, while this is strictly correct, you've now changed the link from to If you're planning to write an article on the NLPO, then by all means, this makes sense. If not, however, I think it makes sense to have a link to the NPLC rather than nothing. Regards, Kevintoronto 14:01, 25 Feb 2005 (UTC)
 * a blue link to an article that (I think) refers to provincial activities of the party
 * a red link that connects to nothing.


 * Great stuff, CJC. I will look forward to the article. The Ron Parker article was really good. Kevintoronto 22:01, 25 Feb 2005 (UTC)

david tilson
i don't know how to add links. perhaps you can do it, or tell me how.

http://www.northpeel.com/br/orangeville/editorial/letters/story/2587390p-3000151c.html

http://www.citizen.on.ca/news3.html

these sites refer to eves's parachute jump.

i think that describing one of the political views surrounding tilson's decision is a relevant addition.

James Armstrong Richardson
Do you know anything about James Armstrong Richardson, former cabinet minister and Winnipeg South MP?AndyL 10:40, 28 Feb 2005 (UTC)

Conservative Party of Canada
I didn't delete Cheryl Gallant. I deleted Libby Davies because I didn't think it made sesne to call her a CPC MP. I was wondering who it was supposed to be. thanks for putting that in. Kevintoronto 20:43, 4 Mar 2005 (UTC)

Kevin M Marshall User Page
Thanks for your vigilance, but it was actually me making the edit to my user page from my home computer (I thought I had logged on, but I guess the Internet was acting up). There had been a Candide (operetta) page which existed before my Candide (musical) page and mine was changed into a redirect, so I figured I might as well delete it. Thanks for your keen eyes, though. I knew I made the edit, but I hadn't realized it wasn't done by my username! Keep up the good work. Kevin M Marshall 21:44, 7 Mar 2005 (UTC)

Chicago aldermen
Hi there! Since the discussion seemed finished, I've closed up the Deletion_policy/Local_politicians discussion for now. I believe consensus has been established that local politicians deserve mention in Wikipedia, but not in a separate article UNLESS they have done something exceptional. Would you please check if you find this a reasonable conclusion, and leave a short note on that page's talk page? Thanks.

Yours, Radiant! 10:13, Mar 8, 2005 (UTC)

CL
For info about the CL and its candidates in elections over the past ten years best to go to the militant website and use the search function in the archives using words like canada, election, "communist league" etc. AndyL 13:11, 8 Mar 2005 (UTC)

Revolutionary Marxist Group
You might want to look at Revolutionary Marxist Group (Canada) which I've just written and add anything you might find on their electoral intervention. I know they ran candidates (a handful) in the 1977 Ontario provincial election, they may have as well in the 1975 Ontario election and possibly the 1974 federal. As I recall, Stauffer library's stacks have an almost complete collection of their newspaper Old Mole as well as Socialist Voice which was the RWL paper (1977 to late 1980s) so you might want to browse thorugh them and see if you find mention of candidates. AndyL 19:28, 8 Mar 2005 (UTC)

I've also just spun off Revolutionary Workers League/Ligue Ouvrière Révolutionnaire as a seperate article. AndyL 20:18, 8 Mar 2005 (UTC)

And Socialist League (Canada). AndyL 20:58, 8 Mar 2005 (UTC)

Kudos
Kudos, in particular, on your recent work on political party leaders, and in general, on your on-going contributions here.

Also, I have set up a voting scheme at Talk:Canadian federal election results since 1867, and would like your views. Regards, Kevintoronto 20:29, 8 Mar 2005 (UTC)


 * Thanks for your vote. The more people who vote, the more likely we'll be able to get a decision that sticks. I wanted to add something about the one independent elected in the Ontario 1995 election and was going from memory. I'm glad you caught that. It was Peter North, not Kormos. Kevintoronto 14:38, 10 Mar 2005 (UTC)

Rosemary Ann Ray
Rosemary is a longtime member of the CL and its predecessors. There is no five candidate rule in Ontario - a registered party only needs to run a single candidate to maintain their status (hence the Reform Party of Ontario running a single candidate in elections through the 1990s). I suspect the CP-O listing is an error by Elections Ontario since the Communist League is not a registered political party - she probably wrote "Communist League" on her registration form and the election officials assumed she meant "Communinst Party". AndyL 22:22, 8 Mar 2005 (UTC)

email
Can you email me your email address? I'm at work right now and can't access my address book. AndyL 16:49, 9 Mar 2005 (UTC)

Communist Party of Canada
George Hewison, or an ally, has rewritten the article on Hewison and put forward a different version of the conflict within the Communist Party of Canada in the early 1990s. We should perhaps revisist the CPC article and related ones eg Miguel Figueroa in light of this.AndyL 06:06, 12 Mar 2005 (UTC)

Revisionist Zionism
Could you please take a look at the dispute at Revisionist Zionism? User:Guy Montag is trying to censor material critical of Revisionist Zionism, particularly documented evidence of fascist sympathies among various Revisionists in the early 1930s. AndyL 22:36, 12 Mar 2005 (UTC)

Ontario provincial elections
You may have noticed that I have started linking from articles to Ont election articles for 1867-1943 that don't exist yet. I am working on creating the same sort of stubs that I did recently for 1945 - 1977. I suppose I will wait for the outcome of the colours discussion before posting them. Kevintoronto 23:39, 18 Mar 2005 (UTC)

Ernie Eves
Hey CJ. I just reverted you on Ernie Eves. I had seen that change myself and asked Blueboy96 about it. he explained that the sentence he deleted repeats the point made in the last sentence of the preceding paragraph. So he was editing to reduce duplication, not for POV purposes. Kevintoronto 23:21, 2 Apr 2005 (UTC)


 * No wockin' furries, mate. Kevintoronto 23:27, 2 Apr 2005 (UTC)

Ontario general election, 1990
I have responded on the talk page. I am wondering if thsi would be a question to put to the general community since it arises in a variety of instances. Maybe a discussion on the Canadian community page? Kevintoronto 20:48, 5 Apr 2005 (UTC)

CPC-ML
You're going to turn green with envy but I had the opportunity of attending the CPC-ML's 35th anniversary celebration in Toronto last weekend! AndyL 14:29, 6 Apr 2005 (UTC)

Ontario politicians
Hi,

Since I see you're now working on Ontario politicians may I direct your attention that there are a number of candidates at past leadership conventions who do not have articles and others who have only sketchy articles. I've done the best I can without regular access to a library. If your focus is now on Ontario politics it would be greatly appreciated if you could try to fill in those historical blanks when you have time. See Ontario Liberal leadership conventions, Ontario Progressive Conservative leadership conventions and Ontario CCF/NDP leadership conventions (the latter article has no red links but some of the earlier biographical articles in particular are sketchy.) AndyL 23:19, 10 Apr 2005 (UTC)

Christel Haeck
Are we on the same page now? Samaritan 03:06, 16 Apr 2005 (UTC)

The Matrix
If you have a chance could you look in at the dispute on Talk:The Matrix around an external link to a Marxist review of the film?AndyL 17:22, 25 Apr 2005 (UTC)

Manitoba general election, 1999
I've been tweaking the Manitoba general elections tables along the same lines as others. I have three quesions for you: Regards, Ground Zero 21:09, 5 May 2005 (UTC)
 * 1) The 1981 and subsequent elections have the "at dissolution/before" numbers instead of the "previous election" numbers. Would you object to me adding a "previous" column in to the left of the "dissolution" column as I've done for the 1965 and subsequent federal elections?
 * 2) For the federal elections charts, I have calculated the % change for both the seats and pop vote on the previous instead of dissolution numbers since the latter doesn't make any sense for pop vote numbers. Here we don't have the pop vote numbers yet. What do you think we should do for % change in seats? Leave it based on the dissolution number, or change it to the previous number to be consistent with the federal tables?
 * 3) In the election cited in the heading above, the Tories won 24 seats, the NDP 30 and the Libs 1. Any idea what happened to the other two seats? (I have a mental picture of the Legislature being cleaned over the summer and two seats being inadvertently left in storage, but there is likely to be a better explanation than that.)

Freedom Party
CJ, you're basing your arguments on things you found in the Freedom Flyer? I'm not sure that that counts as a reliable source. ;-) Ground Zero 21:14, 12 May 2005 (UTC)

Saskatchewan - Manitoba
I really should learn the difference between these two some day. Thanks for catching my goof. Ground Zero 19:06, 27 May 2005 (UTC)

Northern Alliance
Nice work on that article, CJ. Ground Zero 19:46, 6 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Manitoba opposition leaders
I just realised there is no List of Leaders of the Opposition in Manitoba article. AndyL 04:23, 9 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Liberal Party of Canada leadership convention, 1968
I have recently been working on polishing Liberal Party of Canada leadership convention, 1968 with the hopes of bringing it up to featured article quality in the near future. I have just listed it on peer review for comment. I know you are one of the most active Wikipedians in these areas and I would much appreciate to hear any comments or criticisms you might have. - SimonP 14:01, Jun 10, 2005 (UTC)

Bloc Québécois leadership elections
I have reasoned out an answer to your Sept 2004 question at Talk:Bloc Québécois leadership elections. Please take a look. Ground Zero 15:37, 16 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Thanks for the revert
I've been using this name for several months now and this problem has only just started. The term Ground zero has been around a lot longer than four years, so I don't know what this goof is on about. I even added an explanation to my user page, but that doesn't seem to have helped. Thanks again. Ground Zero 20:25, 16 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Riding?
Hi CJ, I'm just wondering about the systematic elimination of the term riding in the Minnedossa (electoral district) article. Do you know something I don't? Anyway I've reverted the change for the moment.....Fawcett5 01:53, 17 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Riding?
Hi CJ, I'm just wondering about the systematic elimination of the term riding in the Minnedosa (electoral district) article. Do you know something I don't? Anyway I've reverted the change for the moment.....Fawcett5 01:54, 17 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Communist Party of Canada splits?
How's your French? . I'd update the Communist Party of Canada and Communist Party of Quebec articles myself but I'm not confident enough in French to intepret the letter. AndyL 12:17, 17 Jun 2005 (UTC)

More on the CPC split: AndyL 15:25, 17 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Mary Kardash
Plese review the article I've started on Mary Kardash. Also, do you have any info on Stewart Smith?AndyL 01:41, 18 Jun 2005 (UTC)

In recognition...
The recent discussion at Votes for deletion/Nicholas Bachynsky has fully confirmed my view that you are one of the most prolific and valuable contributors to Wikipedia. Some recognition of your efforts is long overdue. - SimonP June 28, 2005 15:33 (UTC)
 * There is no protocol any user can, in theory, give one to any other user for any reason. They are just a clear message that at least one other user very much appreciates what you are doing. Ideally they are only rarely given so as not to dilute their value. This is actually the first barnstar I've awarded, but I do feel they are important as good work too often goes unpraised. See also Barnstars for a general outline. - SimonP June 28, 2005 23:41 (UTC)

Your reversion of David Miller
Hi CJCurrie. It may seem like a partisan attack, but I think the article contains enough arguments for and against Miller that this addition should be okay. I won't revert, but I would like to ask you to reconsider restoring the content (or maybe tone down the POV a little?). --Deathphoenix 1 July 2005 04:05 (UTC)


 * Yeah, the example you just gave me was pretty wild, and clearly speculative POV based on political radio discussions or a newspaper editorial. I'd revert that in a second if I saw it. The comment about potentially driving businesses to the York and Peel Regions, however, has some merit, and I've seen some of the effects of it already. On the other hand, I agree that anything this anon sends could be taken with a grain of salt. However, sometimes the message is more important than the messenger. It's a tough thing to try and balance. --Deathphoenix 2 July 2005 07:11 (UTC)

!
He's not openly gay like Benedict is not openly Catholic. He really shouldn't hang around bars on Church St. if he wants to keep it a secret. But you're right that he's not publicly gay, so he shouldn't really be in the category. Ground Zero 8 July 2005 18:16 (UTC)

In further recognition
I award you this Epic Barnstar, for your extensive, well-researched and well-written contributions on Canadian political history. Ground Zero 21:50, 18 July 2005 (UTC)

Monarchy in Canada
Please take a look at Talk: Monarchy in Canada. Homey 16:46, 27 July 2005 (UTC)

You might also want to see Talk:Commonwealth Realm where a similar debate ensues (but is much more unwieldly)Homey 14:40, 29 July 2005 (UTC)

Commonwealth Realm
Could you please take a look at Talk:Commonwealth Realm? We're close to an agreeement, the sticking point is the use of the term "British Crown" which I argue is both 1) a correct term and b) needed at least initially for NPOV purposes. Homey 15:28, 2 August 2005 (UTC)

A diversion
I know this isn't your usual bailliwick, C., but if you have anything to add to the Committee on Monetary and Economic Reform I've just created, I would be interested to read it. Thanks. Ground Zero 22:02, 8 August 2005 (UTC)

Ontario speakers
I have a problem. See Talk:Speaker of the Legislative Assembly of Ontario. Thanks. Homey 18:15, 21 August 2005 (UTC)

Thanks! I hate to guess just in case what seems to be the obvious explanation is wrong. Homey 18:48, 21 August 2005 (UTC)

Adminship
CJ: Thank you for supporting my nomination for adminship, and for keeping the vote count up-to-date. I am honoured that you and others think highly enough of my contributions here to support the nomination. The admin powers will enable me to patrol for vandals more effectively, amongst other things. I promise to use my new powers for good, and not to inflict the retribution on my enemies that they so richly deserve, as tempting as that may be. ;-) Thanks again, Kevin. Ground Zero 12:50, 22 August 2005 (UTC)

Tristan Emmanuel
I have no problem with "controversial". I just didn't put it back in because the anon had taken it out. Regards, Ground Zero 19:38, 22 August 2005 (UTC)

Admin
I looked on the list of admins, but didn't see you. Surely you are an admin? Ground Zero 16:39, 23 August 2005 (UTC)

Geoffrey Capp
I have created a sub-article for him on you CHP 2004 federal election candidates article. You may be interested to know that in the Yukon general election, 2002, he won 15 votes in his riding, almost double the number of rejected ballots (8)! Ground Zero | t 18:29, 26 August 2005 (UTC)

Commonwealth Realm
The discussion at Talk:Commonwealth Realm on Ted McWhinney's proposition that Canada can move towards becoming a republic by failing to proclaim the next King may be of interest to you. Unfortunately, none of the editors discussing the issue (including myself) seem to have actually looked at a copy of McWhinney's book. Homey 14:42, 28 August 2005 (UTC)

Queen's Privy Council for Canada
The discussion at Talk:Queen's Privy Council for Canada on Ted McWhinney's proposition that Canada can move towards becoming a republic by failing to proclaim the next King may be of interest to you. Unfortunately, none of the editors discussing the issue (including myself) seem to have actually looked at a copy of McWhinney's book. Homey 14:43, 28 August 2005 (UTC)

Stauffer library fails us (sigh). Unfortunately Robarts isn't open to the public so the closest university library for me is Scott up at York which is a real nuisance to get to from downtown. Sometimes, I really miss Kingston. Homey 21:11, 28 August 2005 (UTC)

I've just asked at Canadian wikipedians' notice board/discussion if anyone has access to the book.Homey 21:42, 28 August 2005 (UTC)

constituency vs district
Ok, well it is up to you. Just make sure they are all consistent. -- Earl Andrew - talk 01:44, 4 September 2005 (UTC)

Elections Manitoba uses "electoral divisions". See here. Elections Canada uses "electoral districts" and "circonscriptions". "Constitutencies" is a British term, while "ridings" is English Canadian slang, and "comtés" is French Canadian slang. Slang is a bit strong, since the Parliamentary website also uses "ridings" (and "circonscriptions"), but it is not the official term that Elections Canada uses. Ground Zero | t 20:06, 6 September 2005 (UTC)

Dizrhythmia
I listed the reasons here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Dizrhythmia --Theuniversal 20:50, 10 September 2005 (UTC)

Single Transferable Vote
Hey, could you update the edit you made to the Canadian section of the STV article and clarify whether the single member districts in Manitoba used first past the post (like Alberta) or Instant Runoff? Thanks! Scott Ritchie 04:33, 11 September 2005 (UTC)

Colin Carrie
CJCurrie, I'm attempting to update the Oshawa MP's bio to reflect the official CORRECT edition on his website via www.colincarriemp.ca. Sorry for any confusion.

Hunter
As it happens, I was working in Parkdale during the 1990 Ontario election for the NDP candidate, Sheena Weir. One of the staffers on the campaign was on leave from Greenpeace and when the name of the Green candidate in Parkdale was revealed as "Robert Hunter" the first thing she wondered was if he was the Robert Hunter who founded Greenpeace etc - we quickly ascertained that it wasn't. Homey 17:47, 6 October 2005 (UTC)

Ontario politicians
Just a quick reminder...if a politician has actually served in the Legislative Assembly of Ontario, could you use Category:Ontario MPPs instead of Category:Ontario politicians? I know you know that, but you've slipped a couple of times recently. So just a quick reminder, that's all. Tanx. Bearcat 00:18, 22 October 2005 (UTC)

Created stub article for Cannabis legalization in Canada
...a topic of which I grasp the recent headlines, but lack the history. Saw your interests, and you defense of the Emery and Buors articles, and so thought you might take an interest in this as well. More on the talk page. -SM 19:38, 31 October 2005 (UTC)

C-CF
Some time ago, I moved the "Cooperative Commonwealth Federation" article to "Co-operative Commonwealth Federation" for reasons listed at Talk:Co-operative Commonwealth Federation. Do you have any objection to me moving Manitoba Cooperative Commonwealth Federation similarly? Ground Zero | t 19:14, 3 November 2005 (UTC)

I understood we had an agreement...
...so why do I find another reversion on Chris Buors?

I have removed an inflamatory section on procedural grounds, which we are now discussing prior (I thought) to reinstating. The freeze on edits was on my edit #27669871, which you've reverted. The misunderstanding could well be the difficulty of working in realtime in this medium. My shoulder is killing me. =)

I'd like to revert to #27669871, and start restoring references to CB's operation of a compasionate-use cannabis club, which he well deserves to be known for. I don't know what the verdict will be with respect to the citation of forum threads, or indeed what it ought to be (my pub argument was not contrived), but I think the conservative path is best for now.

StrangerInParadise 01:38, 8 November 2005 (UTC)

This edit, which was a well-intentioned redaction for style, inadvertently dropped the Compassion Club link. He did time for helping very ill people, that should be known about him. I have made CB aware of your defense of his article over the last several weeks. The inner workings of Wikipedia are still frustratingly opaque to him. StrangerInParadise 02:03, 8 November 2005 (UTC)

I was unaware I had ever employed an uncivil tone, if so, I am sorry for it. I was enjoying myself, though I can see how it might have been something of am ambush for you. As I have said, I have followed your work on this article, am grateful for it, and did not find any of it ill-intentioned.

I agree that the quote is both reliable (for our personal certainty) and relevant (for our personal certainty). With the prohibition on original research, the medium of record question remains: if this is a certainty, and relevant, the press should follow up, and put the question to him. It is not ours to unearth the tapes and break the big story. If this is a heated argument down-the-pub, and it has a webcam and, for the amusement of its patrons, tapes (today), someone has to confirm the identity. Is that us? Someone has to analyse the tapes- context, completeness- is that us? The Google cache is only slightly less transient than a deletion. Posts are editable for hours by posters and forever by moderators, with no expectation of completeness or permanence. I will welcome clear guidance on this.

Also, in the phrase, Buors has been accused of homophobia as a result of comments that he made on a public message board in 2004., accused by whom should we say (if the passive voice were unavailable)? people? anonymous BB account holders? other noted persons?

More later,

StrangerInParadise 03:17, 8 November 2005 (UTC)

Chris Buors
Can you give me a thumbnail sketch on what the dispute is about? I'm having trouble following the talk page. Homey 15:14, 9 November 2005 (UTC)

Electoral Record [your candidate here]
You seem to be the point-man on candidate articles, so I thought I'd raise this here as it pertains more generally, i.e. Buors as a prototype for candidates [gasp!].

The tables look nice, but they take up a look of space, separating the See also from the main. Also, they will be redundant data if each candidate has a copy of the table. It might be better if each election itself had an article, links to which could be placed in the Electoral record section of a candidate's article.

Further (re Buors), the earlier text describing his various standings could be divided off as Chris Buors, with Chris Buors forming the last section.

Thoughts? StrangerInParadise 19:33, 9 November 2005 (UTC)

I know I'm committing a crime against Wikiquette by indulging in cross-talk, but I'll do it anyway. I agree with SiP here: I don't think it's a good idea to reproduce the election tables on the bio pages. Maybe just links to the articles on each of the ridings in which the person ran would be a better idea, and/or a summary table showing: It may be a good idea to initiate a discussion on this somewhere. Ground Zero | t 20:58, 9 November 2005 (UTC)
 * Election date
 * type of election: federal/provincial, by/general
 * number of votes
 * % of total vote.

My plan was to include these tables on both biography and riding pages, but I'd be willing to change this policy if the consensus is against it. (Part of the problem is that the salient data hasn't been included for all of the riding pages yet ...) CJCurrie 21:05, 9 November 2005 (UTC)

Just as an addendum for those reading this, I should clarify that I've already put similar charts on a few other bio pages. Buors is not the "prototype". CJCurrie 21:07, 9 November 2005 (UTC)

[Is it not easier that an issue raised on a page stays on a page? I just saw the other half of this discussion on my talk]. Hadn't tripped across the other articles, so thought Buors' might be the first. I have no issue with the importance of the information, just the size of the presentation and the data-factoring issues. It is nice that the candidate in question finds his name highlighted in the table, haven't explored whether Wikipedia permits dynamic content articles to which parameters are passed. Factoring the content seems more important, though. Perhaps a template like StrangerInParadise 22:11, 9 November 2005 (UTC)

If the consensus is against having these elaborate charts on bio pages, I won't object. I don't see them as problematic, though I can accept that others might.

The "highlighting" is simply to draw attention to the subject in the context of a chart format; I hadn't thought of this as contentious, and I never considered doing anything similar for biographical information. CJCurrie 22:14, 9 November 2005 (UTC)

No contention, I think it is a good thing, and I am wondering how to do it where the election data is owned by the election article or a template. The bad thing is to have several copies of the data- one in each candidate article- floating around.

One way is to have,
 * Template:Election X (this has data)
 * Page:Election X
 * contains other narrative text (contentious, result of dissolution, highlights, etc)
 * Electoral results
 * Template:Election Y (this has data)
 * Page:Election Y
 * contains other narrative text (dull, scandals, highlights, etc)
 * Electoral results
 * Page:Joe Everyman
 * Early life
 * born in wild, raised by wolves, plays sax
 * Philosophy
 * Electoral record
 * Philosophy
 * Electoral record

So, in a template, the parameters post and candidate can expand to hide all but post and bold candidate with CSS.

Do you see? StrangerInParadise 22:43, 9 November 2005 (UTC)

Not entirely, though I think I understand the gist of what you're getting at. Unfortunately, I don't know how such an on-page expansion would be designed. CJCurrie 22:48, 9 November 2005 (UTC)

I don't have a problem including election results in a biographical article. It's more a matter of how the article flows and presentation ie an article whose text consists entirely of "He won this election by 100 votes, and that election by 300 but lost the next one by 700" is quite dull - better to have tables in the article or a link. Homey 22:28, 10 November 2005 (UTC)

Emergency department
I wonder if you would consider supporting Emergency department at Article improvement drive, to raise the profile of medicine on the wikipedia. The ED is a key area where the public receive emergency care, but the current article is very inadequate. Perhaps you may have an insight into emergency care in Canada.--File Éireann 23:47, 10 November 2005 (UTC)

Greg Grogan
Dunno. I know he used to be in the Canadian Action Party. Homey 07:02, 11 November 2005 (UTC)

I was never with the Canadian Action Party

Greg Gogan

Rhetorical flourish, moi?
Re this edit, I did see it, and can make a proper quote, but must find the LTE I saw it in. Wouldn't it be ironic if I could only find it in a post... =) StrangerInParadise 02:50, 12 November 2005 (UTC)

"The ugliest aspect of the war on drugs is that in order to control what substance a man may put in his body the state must control what ideas a man may put in his head. -Chris Buors, Letter to the Editor, The Yuma Daily Sun, Saturday, 07 April 2001"

About nine others on this theme, I'll choose a good one and fix it up. StrangerInParadise 03:45, 12 November 2005 (UTC)

Ellipses
What is the distinction indicated by brackets? StrangerInParadise 02:13, 15 November 2005 (UTC)


 * These indicate that text has been removed. CJCurrie 02:26, 15 November 2005 (UTC)

Yes, I'm clear on that. Why the square brackets, as opposed to just ellispes? StrangerInParadise 03:43, 15 November 2005 (UTC)

Buors withdraws from active politics
Check out post CC Forum #1178591. Also, check out www.chrisbuors.com.

In the post, he announces he will withdraw from active politics. On his website, he rails against Wikipedia for its politically correct propaganda.

Interestingly- and unfortunately- he claims that "Wikipiedia has not verified one single post with me." I'd like you- and anyone else- to know that I have had extensive correspondence with him regarding the posts, the rationale behind the inclusion of some and the exclusion of others, and your rationale behind authentication (specifically, that impersonating a friend and supporter of Marc Emery on CC Forum over the last several months is highly unlikely). I have also provided him with your explanation (per your suggestion), pointed out the pattern of anti-vandalism defence on your part (on my own initiative), and provided links to our open discussion and request for comment on the matter at the talk page. Finally, several times over the last month, I have asked him to summarize for me any inaccuracies or omissions of any kind, which he has declined to do.

I will incorporate the above as appropriate into Talk:Chris Buors when time allows, though I did not want to delay in sharing it with you. Although I still disagree regarding CC Forum as a medium of record, I am nevertheless grateful for your attention and contributions to the article.

Buors points out, "I know how Wikipedia works. I could care less. Are they in the controversy creating business or the controversy reporting business?". It is clear that he neither quite understands how Wikipedia works, nor does he acknowledge adequately his responsibility in creating controversy in making the remarks where and as he makes them. However, this matter has placed us well in sight of that line, even if we have not in fact crossed it.

StrangerInParadise 08:32, 19 November 2005 (UTC)


 * Buors's decision does not come as a complete surprise to me. The impression I took from reading his posts (and particularly his reaction to the recent controversy) is that he never considered himself a "public figure", and wasn't ready for dealing with this sort of criticism. To some extent, I can understand his position -- he became the leader of a political party more-or-less by accident, and probably wasn't expecting the degree of scrutiny or publicity that he's received on Wikipedia. If he isn't able to deal with this, perhaps political life (even on the fringes) isn't for him.


 * You might be interested to know that I allowed Buors to vet the original page, when it was created in 2004 (this was long before the present controversy). At the time, he said it was fine. I'm not certain he remembers this exchange now. CJCurrie 23:47, 19 November 2005 (UTC)

I am very interested to know that. BTW, CB has updated his site to be much more reasonably in disagreement."Wikipedia considers Forum postings as worthy of encycopedia material. I don't because Wikipiedia does not give their readers the underlying or extended arguments attributed to one sentence quotes. In that respect, Wikipedia is a propaganda tool and not then encyclopieda they claim to be. For instance, Wikipiedia must know that any opinion expressed on the immorality of homosexual acts will start a public controversy. Should Wikipiedia be creating the public controversy? [sic passim]"

I have no evidence of a public controversy of any kind, as I'm not in Manitoba, so I have no sense of whether anyone other than CB himself has made noise about either the Wikipedia article or the forum posts. I have asked for clarification as to whether it is you and I, or our dark overlords, who are DEA agents.

StrangerInParadise 05:00, 20 November 2005 (UTC)

Joseph Tweed Shaw
I've added Joseph Tweed Shaw to the Alberta Liberal Party's list of leaders. Do you know what year he resigned as leader? Homey 04:33, 25 November 2005 (UTC)

Baird and Anderson Consulting
For whatever reason, Baird was the recipient of at least some of the blame for the Anderson Consulting matter in the media, perhaps because he praised it while he was minister and defended it after the fact. For instance, according to the Polaris Institute, Baird claimed the deal was a huge "windfall" to taxpayers Homey 01:23, 30 November 2005 (UTC)

Left Wing Bias
CJ Curries clear deliberate left wing bias on the biographical article of Harvey Ward is shocking. I don't care how many silly stars he has received. People with such agendas should be barred. Robert I 22:04, 30 November 2005 (UTC)


 * Readers of this page should note that I took issue with the phrase "Marxist terrorists" being used to describe the opposition military groups in Rhodesia's civil war. I'm no fan of Robert Mugabe's ZANU-PF, but the language was clearly POV and needed to be changed.  I'm not going to comment on Robert I's specific observations.  CJCurrie 22:08, 30 November 2005 (UTC)
 * I wrote him a note on his talk page. Wizzy… &#9742;   07:04, 1 December 2005 (UTC)

WikiProject Electoral districts in Canada/Prototype
Thank you for participating in the WikiProject on Electoral districts in Canada. As you know there will be an election soon. So this may be the best time for the Canadian Wikipedia community to band together and write these articles on current federal electoral districts. Based on your comments, and the comments of others, I have put together a prototype layout at the above link. The prototype is not a final proposal. It is just a place to start from, where we can discuss and experiment. Please review it, comment but keep an open mind, and help form a concensus. --maclean25 01:05, 2 December 2005 (UTC)

Sources for Frederic Newton
Hello, good work on Frederic Newton, and thanks for the contribution. However, you did not any references to the article. Keeping Wikipedia accurate and verifiable is very important, and as you might be aware there is currently a push to encourage editors to cite the sources they used when adding content. From what websites, books, or other places did you learn the information that you added to Frederic Newton? Would it be possible for you to mention them in the article? You can simply add links, or see WP:CITET if you wish to review some of the different citation methods. Thanks! Lupin|talk|popups 21:09, 4 December 2005 (UTC)


 * John R. Solomon could do with reference too. Thanks in advance! Lupin|talk|popups 04:09, 9 December 2005 (UTC)

Option canada Party
CJ, do you have any info on this party? (I saw your comment on Homey's talk page.) This is all that I can find on it:

"At the federal level, the Option Canada Party favours partition and the creation of an eleventh province even if Quebec does not secede. They plan to run candidates in the next federal election." 

And, Elections Canada allocated it freetime political broadcast minutes for the 1993 election. Can you tell me anything else? Thanks. Ground Zero | t 17:17, 6 December 2005 (UTC)
 * Never mind. I found your Greg Gogan article, and linked to it from the List of political parties in Canada article. Unless you have anything more.... Ground Zero | t 17:22, 6 December 2005 (UTC)

Gregory Lauder-Frost
Thanks for your message. I have never heard of this person and don't wish to get involved in any more disputes just now. Adam 01:56, 8 December 2005 (UTC)

Jim Harris
What's the reason for removing the succession box for "Leader of the Green Party of Canada" from the article on Jim Harris (politician)? Figured I'd ask before just arbitrarily putting it back. Thanks. --GrantNeufeld 23:45, 8 December 2005 (UTC)

Okay - color me blind. I totally missed the other copy of the succession box. Thanks for pointing that out. --GrantNeufeld 05:51, 9 December 2005 (UTC)

Talk:Gregory Lauder-Frost
I'll take a look. Jayjg (talk) 19:17, 9 December 2005 (UTC)

Joe Young
Don't know anything about him off hand. You might want to check these links from The Militant. Homey 04:18, 10 December 2005 (UTC)

Here are some older links about him from the files of the Socialist History Project on his days in the Young Socialists (youth group of the League for Socialist Action. Homey 04:21, 10 December 2005 (UTC)

John Baird
Well, I guess the page could be deleted for privacy reasons. When I plug "gay" and "John Baird" into google all I get are pages where his support for SSM is discussed, nothing about his being gay. Homey 20:30, 10 December 2005 (UTC)

Arbitration
Please see Requests_for_arbitration Homey 17:23, 11 December 2005 (UTC)

Also see Wikipedia_talk:Administrators%27_noticeboard. I've put in a request for an uninvolved admin to reinstitute my tempban against Robert (I lifted it given my involvement in the situation). Robert has replied. Homey 21:16, 11 December 2005 (UTC)

Interesting
Take a look at this history. Suggests to me that our various numeric friends are all GLF. You should ask a developer to look at the various IPs and see if it can be determined to be the same individual. Also, see this user contributions Homey 02:33, 12 December 2005 (UTC)

Theological question
"god knows why I had to be the one to discover this situation ..."
 * I know what you mean. I ended up meidating a dispute at Social Democratic Party (UK) between an editor with no obvious political affiliation who was making unintentionally POV edits, and a supporter of that party who accused the former of trying to impair the image of the SDP in order to boost the LibDems. Of course, most observers of British politics would be surprised to learn that the SDP even exists anymore. It's kind of hard to believe that anyone would see the curent SDP groupuscule as a threat to anything. Nonetheless, I think we have peace. Best of luck on GLF. I'll do what I can. Ground Zero | t 02:42, 12 December 2005 (UTC)

Of course, most observers of British politics would be surprised to learn that the SDP even exists anymore.

I would concur with most observers of British politics in this reaction (and I actually follow British fringe parties ...). I thought they disappeared after the '92 election. CJCurrie 02:47, 12 December 2005 (UTC)

In addition to there being a tiny rump SDP there is also a tiny rump Liberal Party (UK, 1989). Perhaps they'll merge leading to even more general confusion?:) Homey03:10, 12 December 2005 (UTC)

Actually, I believe there's one constituency in the UK (Bradford, or somewhere close) where the Liberal candidate has polled second in recent national elections. I can also remember reading that an anarchist group (of the philosophical 19C variety) took over a local branch of the party a few years ago.

Amusingly, the wiki entry indicates that the rump Liberals assisted the rump SDP after 1990. CJCurrie 03:22, 12 December 2005 (UTC)

It seems to have been Liverpool West Derby in 2001, albeit with only 14.9% of the vote to Labour's 66% and the LibDem's 12%. The Liberal placed third in 2005 with about 11%. Maybe their is hope for the Progressive Canadian Party (as a footnote in the history books, at least) after all. I hpe that you've found Social Democratic Party (UK, 1990) by now. Finally, for a while, the Monster Raving Loonies were calling their party the "Monster Raving Loony Official Liberal Party" Ground Zero | t 03:38, 12 December 2005 (UTC)


 * That's it -- and the candidate's name was Stephen Radford, which probably explains my confusion as to the riding. (It's a bit alarming that I could misremember this detail with such ironic precision, actually ...)  CJCurrie 03:42, 12 December 2005 (UTC)

Our friends
I'm really concerned about what seems to be a campaign of deliberate misinformation being carried out by the GLFers, particularly by the anonymous contributors. One bad quote or ill-researched fact is one thing but we've had a slew and there's no sign of the tide abating or of our friends undertaking a serious effort to improve the quality of their "research". We should put together a proper RFA (the one that exists at present isn't actually an RFA as our friends put it in the wrong part of the page). I'm just not sure what sort of disciplinary action can be taken as most of the edits are anonymous - I suppose the ArbComm could decide that instant rollbacks of all contributions by these folks is allowed, even if the 3RR is broken. This really does make the argument for "semi-protection". Of course, if there is an RFA (and even if there isn't) a developers would be able to investigate whether the same individual is behind the Robert I account and all (or most) of the various numerics. Given the close concert they are working in Robert I could be held responsible for the actions of the numerics even if it cannot be proven they are the same individual. Homey 02:18, 16 December 2005 (UTC)

CL
FYI, my housemate was canvassed by the Communist League outside of Sherbourne subway station today. They're running three candidates in the federal election, Steele, Michel Prairie and Beverly Bernardo. Don't know if they're seeking "official party status" or if they'll be listed on the ballot as independents. Anyway, the leaflet has brief bios of the three and Steele is listed as being 65. There's an article online here Homey 20:29, 18 December 2005 (UTC)

Another one
Found another article by our friends, this one on John K. Singlaub. Homey 00:38, 19 December 2005 (UTC)

William Ivens
Hi there - If you know of the sources that you used on William Ivens, would you mind adding them? If you don't no trouble. --best, kevin [kzollman][talk] 04:23, 19 December 2005 (UTC)

Clive Derby-Lewis
Please see my argument with Robert in Talk:Clive Derby-Lewis. Homey 17:15, 19 December 2005 (UTC)

The Movement
What do you think of the movement? Reply here. Thanks. --Kin Khan 03:17, 22 December 2005 (UTC)

Arbitration accepted
Requests for arbitration/Robert I has been accepted. Please place evidence at Requests for arbitration/Robert I/Evidence. Proposals and comments may be placed at Requests for arbitration/Robert I/Workshop. Fred Bauder 20:43, 23 December 2005 (UTC)

Talk:Paul Fromm
Thanks for cleaning up Talk:Paul Fromm and similar pages. I apologize for inadvertently deleting your comments. I think I'd probably hit the "edit" button while viewing a non-current revision. Cheers, -Willmcw 22:45, 27 December 2005 (UTC)

Linda Asper
There are no references for this article. Please provide them. TheRingess 08:11, 29 December 2005 (UTC)

Spoiler in John Baird contest?
See John Pacheco, Independent conservative candidate for Ottawa-West Nepean who is running in opposition to Baird's support for same-sex marriage. Homey 02:15, 31 December 2005 (UTC)