User talk:CJ DUB/CJ DUB ARCHIVE

D2C Platform
Revisions to the page indicate that Ford considers D2C to be a new platform, which they do as indicated by the D2C designation, and that the D2C platform is loosely based upon the older DEW98 platform, which it is. Since both stamtements are factually accurate and critical to understanding the origin and placement of the platform in the current Ford Motor Company lineup clarification on how either is supposedly intended to detract from the other, a requirement for weasel words, would be appreciated before you revise my edits again.

As for the revision regarding the fuel tanks employed on D2C. Since these units are based upon the design previously used by DEW98 but are not a direct carryover citing this in the post would once again seem to serve to improve the article's accuracy.

(Syr74 18:44, 14 August 2007 (UTC)Syr74)

Castle
I have a more serious problem with that image. It's nonsense. A motte is an artificial construct. The huge boulder outcrops are unhistorical and grossly misleading. CJ DUB - I think you've been a little unfair. Giano has done a huge amount of restructuring work and his efforts shouldn't be derided. Any changes he makes that you're unhappy with can always be discussed at the talk page. It's not that hard to change them if there's consensus. However, the existing article is utterly dreadful and needs someone willing to take out a spade and do the hard work. If Giano's willing, I trust him to do an A1 job. cross-posted from Giano's talk page --Dweller 09:43, 13 March 2007 (UTC)
 * Don't worry about it CJ DUB, this "so-called expert" is quite hapy to let you get on with it. Next time I stumble across and Article improvement drive I shall stay well away. I look forward to reading the page when you have finished it. Giano 16:05, 13 March 2007 (UTC)

LOL CJ DUB 16:17, 13 March 2007 (UTC)

RE: Worst user name ever?
Well, he rocks. I think everyone hates him because he's old, but who should care? That'd mean I'd say Gordie Howe sucks. I'm just the minority, I guess. It's his stlye of play and accolades that impress me the most. But I guess I'd like to meet tthose 3 guys you mentioned. First of all, hasek leads the legaue in GAA and 3rd in shutouts. It's not much the statistics, but how he can still have above-par stats at 42. I also wanted to see if anyone would say anything about it. But I've seen weirder usernames. Hasek is the best 19:17, 14 March 2007 (UTC)

Have any proof about that? I have no clue why people hate others because they're old, but he won't get injured...In fact if Martin Brodeur turns 40 I'll say he sucks _____ (you can fill in the blank, you're smart, aren't you?) So anyway, how could Buffalo fans say he sucks? Buffalo was a bad team, they had no all-star skaters (Hull, Lemieux, Messier, etc) but at least hasek impressed the crowds with last second saves and he attracted them to watch awesome and unbelievable saves. It's just your opinion anyway, because you look at his negatives which are nothing compared to his achievements. he's not a crybaby; he's happy because I never seen an interview where he lloked mad or sad (but that happens in every career, anyway) --Hasek is the best 20:49, 14 March 2007 (UTC)


 * Again, have proof on that? But yeah about the coach thing, sometimes it could be a personal thing for the coach or Hasek, but that's no the worst thing in the world. And he's not a crybaby. Besides, everyone cries (sad) at least once in their career. Would you cry if you lost as (insert fav team) against the last place team 4 games to none in the finals? --Hasek is the best 21:17, 14 March 2007 (UTC)


 * Pfft, he is awesome; he's the best since year 0; -1 year. Well, Buffalo did suck at scoring, that's why the games were so close. And everyone has a problem with somebody; again, it can be personal. Oh yeah, I also noticed you changed 45 to 65 on the hasek page, well SASwiki is a retarded parody site and is not an official and NPOV source of info. So see Chelios @ hockeydb for his birthdate; or you got 0% on math. Hasek is the best 00:30, 15 March 2007 (UTC)


 * I'm just going to say: we'll see what the future has in store. --Hasek is the best 14:26, 16 March 2007 (UTC)

Okay enough nonsense already
Regarding this edit: please don't add jokes to articles. Regarding this comment: Talk pages for articles and users are for collaboration around articles and contributions, not for sports arguments. Save it for a forum or for IRC please. Thanks. --Wafulz 05:48, 15 March 2007 (UTC)
 * For future reference, the SAS Wiki is full of jokes. It's like citing Uncyclopedia. Regardless of whether or not his name invites an argument, try to keep yourself restrained- after all, he is a 12-year-old, and he's been very helpful in finding sources for articles. Anyway, talk pages are not the place for arguments not related to articles. --Wafulz 14:53, 15 March 2007 (UTC)


 * Consider this warning number 2 in regards to your unproductive comments at Talk:Ottawa Senators. Thanks. ccwaters 17:31, 15 March 2007 (UTC)


 * I'm assuming you're joking about the NHLPA thing. Also, in regards to your comments about the "utility" of Hasek is the best: Don't make personal attacks about his usefuless. I suggest you leave him alone and go argue about sports elsewhere- it's not remotely productive in helping to build articles. If you continue using talk pages as a forum for argument, you could end up being blocked. --Wafulz 21:54, 15 March 2007 (UTC)


 * Seeing as you're still arguing and borderline trolling the user's talk page, consider this a final warning before I report you to an administrator for a block. Also, stop blanking the warnings on your talk page. --Wafulz 05:06, 16 March 2007 (UTC)

Discussion about Nissan Skyline
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New York Islanders and Alexei Yashin
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Speedy deletions
Please see our policy on speedy deletion - your continual tagging of the Sabres season page does not meet any of those criteria. Please remove the tag and consider AfD, and please be aware of our speedy policy in the future. Thanks. --badlydrawnjeff talk 17:16, 7 May 2007 (UTC)


 * Especially in light of your attempt to add a speedy deletion tag to the 2006-07 Buffalo Sabres season page on the grounds that "no other NHL team has a season page"... look at the template at the bottom of the page and you will discover that every NHL team has a season page. Don't tag articles recklessly, please. Skudrafan1 17:24, 7 May 2007 (UTC)
 * I concur. While you may have valid arguments against the articles existence, it clearly is NOT a speedy candidate. If you wish to pursue this matter, I would suggest looking at the AFD process. Please refrain from readding a speed tag. ccwaters 17:44, 7 May 2007 (UTC)

I have removed the speedy deletion tag. Do not readd it. &rArr;   SWAT Jester    Denny Crane.  19:11, 7 May 2007 (UTC)

Ottawa Senators
Please stop. If you continue to violate Wikipedia's neutral point of view policy by adding commentary and your personal analysis into articles, you will be blocked from editing Wikipedia. ccwaters 16:04, 16 May 2007 (UTC)

Ford Modular Engine
Every test of the 2000 Cobra R by all the major magazines (as well as Ford's own specs) say the car had an iron block. If you have proof to the contrary, I'd like to see it. --67.175.147.74 18:12, 17 May 2007 (UTC)

Ford GT Article
I fail to see how 2 anonymous editors constitute "popular assent" for your rationale in deleting the Clarkson section given 2 other anonymous editors noted it was either tongue in cheek or a plain old joke. Please bring some civility to the discussion on the talk page. --293.xx.xxx.xx 07:02, 29 June 2007 (UTC)

Yo bro, I totally agree with you on the prostitution thing, that article is ridiculous, it glamourises street prostitutes, which as you and me both know, is absurd. I've walked down east hastings, let me tell you it ain't glamourous.

Recent edits to Ford Mustang
Heya, I agree that the section needed some major attention, but I think you could have pulled some of the more useful information from the section, and removed the rather POV and informal stuff. Also, calling the writing style of good faith contributions "worthless" and good faith picture contributions "crappy" in the edit history is probably less than constructive. - super &beta;&epsilon;&epsilon; cat 03:14, 23 July 2007 (UTC)
 * Yeah, I hear ya. Just sayin, don't wanna beat people up too bad for not being hugely talented writers. In any case, I'm glad to see another editor is interested in it-- I couldn't believe there wasn't a single word about interior. This is going to be my major project for a while- let's make it a great article again. Cheers! - super &beta;&epsilon;&epsilon; cat 03:24, 23 July 2007 (UTC)


 * The Article containing the LED Light was posted by me because (if you took the time to read the article) you would see that the section talks about add-ons and other custom jobs that can be added to the mustang! The pic that was there just showed a picture of a regular mustang this one demonstrates custom add-ons including rims and LED lights. *Last thing, problems with edits or choices of content on pages should be talked about on the talk page of the article not on other users talk pages* --Archer5054 23:52, 23 July 2007 (UTC)

Boulogne Castle
Perhaps you could point out how the castles in Boulogne and in Fère-en-Tardenois are so similar, given that the latter has a keep and Boulogne does not. Emeraude 22:03, 11 August 2007 (UTC)

I find your tone unnecessarily harsh and not what should be expected of a Wikipedian. I refer you to the link that you yourself placed on the Boulogne Castle page to the French wiki article fr:Fère-en-Tardenois where it clearly states "le donjon est un heptagone irrégulier flanqué de sept tours circulaires" (the KEEP is an irregular heptagon flanked by seven circular towers). I would suggest that if you cannot read French, you refrain from editing any pages to do with the country! Besides, looking at the picture, it is quite clear that Fère-en-Tardenois is built on a mound (unlike Boulogne) and is a stand alone castle (unlike Boulogne, which is contained within the town walls of Boulogne). I aked for architectural similarities - the number of towers does not do it. The use of the same builders is interesting (references?), but there wasn't exactly a large pool of castle builders was there? If you know as much about this castle as you claim beyond having located an interesting photo, why not write an article on it for English Wiki? So far, you have not upheld your claim that it has any similarity with Boulogne other than timescale and builders. Emeraude 21:25, 15 August 2007 (UTC)


 * BAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHAHAHAHAHAHA. That page has donjon but its an obvious mistake made by a moron. Come on, there is other infos on the page that are wrong/poorly written. wiki ref, how hilarious. I speak/read french just fine. The Mesqui, 1997 ref is a french book. Sometimes french people call the whole castle a DONJON when it is not. Lemme give you another example. Tower of London: Is it a tower? Of course not! It has many towers but has been named that way after the original tower of the 1000s. Comprendez? Its just a name. You haven't got the faintest idea what you are talking about in either respect Bolougne or Fere. Bolougne is located inside the town? Wow, how very unique!! I've been to Fere by the way, (and all over the French north): it is a castle, even though it is on a motte. On the large motte is the inner ward, which is not covered by roofs, there was a lower ward where the hotel is. There are in fact many extremely large and complex REAL donjons on top of mottes, Stafford Castle, Warkworth Castle, etc, but they are all very compact and roofed. This is not like that in the slightest. The only unroofed motte keeps are shell keeps of the 1000-1100s. Fere is a classic castle of enceinte of the 1200s. My Mesqui book calls the structure on the motte an "enceinte castrale", and states the original castle was there. Here are some other keepless ones: Mont Saint Jean, Montaiguillon, Moulineaux CJ DUB 22:26, 15 August 2007 (UTC)

"I speak/read french just fine." Shame your English lets you down! Not to mention the way you think that debate has to involve insulting everyone. Firstly, it is not an obvious mistake. The picture you linked clearly shows what appears the remains of a keep. I confess I have not visited Fere, but the picture does seem to be ACCURATELY described in the French wiki article. Do not presume to lecture me on nomenclature. Of course the Toewer of London is not A tower, anymore than Balmoral Castle is a castle or Crystal Place was ever a palace. And of course Fere is a castle - I never questioned that. Incidentally, you might want to find a translation of 'castrale'. The important points are these: (1) How are Boulogne and Fere so similar that you have edited Boulogne to state so. They do not look similar, they have separate functions. (2) If they have the same builders, that is worth mentioning - please do say and name them with references. (3) Is the tower described as a keep at Fere a keep? (Or rather, was it when built. I can list dozens of French castles that do not have keep today because it has fallen down over the years - I was at Clermont l'Herault this week and you can't see a keep, but it had one!) I challenged you to write an English article on Fere and woild welcome this, but I suspect that your task is mor eto accuse editors in French and English of moronity, so I won't hold my breath. Meanwhile, I am reinstateing the 'sourced description of Boulogne from the Boulogne Museums service which you castigated as 'fancruft' Emeraude 21:56, 22 August 2007 (UTC)

Edits to Bandwagon fan
Please do not add unsourced or original content. Doing so violates Wikipedia's verifiability policy. If you would like to experiment, please use the sandbox. Thank you. --Yankees76 13:24, 15 August 2007 (UTC)

Your previous edits against me
On one comment, you said I know nothing about hockey. If you think so, then why did I join WikiProject Ice Hockey? If you know more than me, surely you? (sarcastically). (I actually mean it.) And btw you haven't said anything about your username. "CJ DUB"? What kinda last name is that? And, I'd love to hear what your favourite team is...probably those teams that get about 60-70 point a year, such as the Phoenix Coyotes. Mine's the Ottawa Senators, and they did pretty darn good, eliminating the President's Trophy winning team, Buffalo Sabres.

I actually don't seem like a 12 year old do I? If I did, Id B talkin slang like dis but no, and I was born on January 8; so I'm just past a week of being in the seventh grade. And you know, there's other 12 year olds on Wikipedia too. I'm responding because of your very immature comments. And, mature people help Wikipedia by reverting vandalism, such as blanking pages. And apparantely, you seem to get a lot of notices on this page because of your controversial edits. I do have a list of reasons why Hasek rocks, but on a talk archive. Lastly I'd like to say: Hasek didn't get injured! Woo! And better yet, he re-signed! --Hasek is the best 21:31, 17 August 2007 (UTC)


 * Wow. Welcome to 2 months ago. Just because you join a group on Wikipedia that seeks to improve ice hockey, DOES NOT MEAN YOU HAVE ANY IDEA ABOUT HOCKEY, or even know how to write an article. It just means you know how to push a button to join. Good for you. Don't EVER post on my discussion page again. CJ DUB 03:49, 20 August 2007 (UTC)


 * Fine, be that way. --Hasek is the best 14:30, 20 August 2007 (UTC)

Civility
Please remain civil toward other editors, especially in edit summaries, which remain a permanent part of the page history. This is important even if you believe another user is being difficult or provocative. Thank you for your cooperation. Newyorkbrad 05:19, 21 August 2007 (UTC)

Historical inaccuracies vote
Dude, you don't vote on changing wikipedia policy at the article level, because the core principles are not changed by vote within an article. I've pointed the way to three areas you can posit your interpretations on real-world synthesis, and you can get real-time feedback from your fellow editors and maybe a few admins will check in, as well. - Arcayne   (cast a spell)  02:05, 31 August 2007 (UTC)

then do the smart thing and take it to the OR page, or AN/I. There, you can express your views on synthesis, and have a wider field of folk express their interest in your opinion. It doesn't change within the article. I am saving you from wasting an enormous amount of time by pointing you to the people who will help you realize that synthesis actually is. My interpretation of synthesis is backed up by some pretty solid experience applying it and seeing it applied correctly. - Arcayne   (cast a spell)  03:42, 31 August 2007 (UTC)

William, Count of Poitou
I noticed you changed the cathedral name. I added this name to the box. Then I noticed this cathedral was build in 1215 but this chap died in 1164. perhaps the old name was right. Any ideas?Obina 16:26, 4 September 2007 (UTC)

Castles and Mottes
Thank you kindly for reinstating my motte. But it wasn't that I was objecting to (really, thousands wouldn't believe me on this but I know you will); TWO photos of sturdy Irish mottes (only one of which was mine) were removed to make way for a pic of a BMX track in England and the roof of a house. While neither of the Irish pics are classics in the photographic sense, surely we can find a castle-ona-motte that isn't taken from someone's bedroom window? (Sarah777 22:18, 30 September 2007 (UTC))


 * Please note, the article Motte-and-bailey is about the Norman method of fortification, wherever found, it is not about "Motte-and-bailey's in Britain". You might also note that Ireland is not in Britain. Thanks. (Sarah777 02:48, 12 October 2007 (UTC))


 * No more country specific cats please. This isn't Wikipedia Ireland, its wikipedia english and should have the world view. However adding it to the history cat of all counties that have mottes is futile. As are the other categories. The present cats are much better. And History of Ireland IS part of the History of Britain. You may have forgot it was British until 1949 CJ DUB 03:07, 12 October 2007 (UTC)

"No more country specific cats please. This isn't Wikipedia Ireland". Indeed, nor is it Wikipedia Britain. Ireland was fully part of (in the sense of being occupied by) "Britain" from some time in the 1600s (pick your date) until 1918 when independence was endorsed in an election. That's 300 years out of 8,000 years. To repeat: (Sarah777 09:36, 12 October 2007 (UTC))
 * the article Motte-and-bailey is about the Norman method of fortification, wherever found, it is not about "Motte-and-bailey's in Britain".
 * Ireland is not, and only ever was for a historically short period of time, part of a country called "Britain".
 * You are manifestly wrong on the categorisation; I checked; the article History of Ireland is categorised under "Europe", not "Britain".

As regards Ireland as part of Britain

 * http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:History_of_Britain
 * Republic of Ireland "The state known today as Ireland came into being when 26 of the counties of Ireland seceded from the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Ireland (UK) in 1922. The remaining six counties remained within the UK as Northern Ireland. This action, known as the Partition of Ireland, came about because of complex constitutional developments in the early twentieth century." also "On 21 December 1948, the Republic of Ireland Act declared a republic, with the functions previously given to the Governor-General acting on the behalf of the King given instead to the President of Ireland. The Irish state had remained a member of the then-British Commonwealth after independence until the declaration of a republic on 18 April 1949."

Also see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_Ireland#Union_with_Great_Britain: 1801-1922

Maybe I missed something, but unless Ireland spontaneously appeared in the Irish Sea in 1922, it was previously part of Britain, and Northern Ireland (the bit at the top there) is STILL part of Britain CJ DUB 12:47, 12 October 2007 (UTC)


 * As I said - Ireland is not part of Britain. Was occupied for a few centuries. You ain't saying anything different that I can see. Ireland didn't spontaneously appeared in the Irish Sea in 1922; it was there long before "Britain" ever existed. (Sarah777 19:02, 12 October 2007 (UTC))


 * Britain is an Island. Ireland is not part of Britain - FACT. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_BritainSennen goroshi (talk) 04:21, 25 November 2007 (UTC)

York Castle
Careful. :-) In reverting my edits you got rid of my inadvertent incorrect edit (the 3rd century one), but also the two deliberate edits, one of which is unarguably correct.Acad Ronin 18:01, 25 October 2007 (UTC)

Civility
Please do not attack other editors. If you continue, you will be blocked from editing Wikipedia.

the next step is a report filed on the admin's noticeboard and you being blocked. Don't use terms such as "BS" when talking about another user's edits.Sennen goroshi (talk) 04:21, 25 November 2007 (UTC)

Flint Castle
Hi clueless

I can see from your page that you are an incoherent deletist and a noob from some of the comments that have been left by other editors. What does rev some really ill-advised revisions are??

I tidied up the article including all the information that was already there...I didn't delete like you...

Except I was 'MAKING IT CLEARER...' (removing repetition) and adding extra information on the Castle about the (history)Civil War, its context (iron ring) and construction(inner and outer bailey).

You are typical of the 'soap box' (sic in normal life, you are inconsequential but get on your soapbox in Wiki) low Q types

You don't add, you don't enhance, you don't think because you lack imagination and understanding.

When you see change you revert or delete not contextualise or check first!!!

Well in your opinion, the rambling incoherent article that you reverted back to, is better than mine. Which incidentally doesn't have any linked references..either

First you removed a note to Shotwick Castle, did you read the linked article>>> Er yes there was a crossing because there are reports in the Official Records Office that mules were lost in the Medieval period (check first numb nuts>?&*^%..!!)

But no you just reverted. Easier huh?? Clueless, utterly, butterly clueless.

But don't worry I am not going to revert back I leave articles like this well alone once a dog like you has come along and sniffed the lampost and made it mark...

Keep up the good ham-fisted work...if you keep going wikipedia will become your opus

A testament to a troll moron —Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.137.75.244 (talk) 10:16, 5 July 2008 (UTC)

Civility
Could you please not post on my page? The edits you are talking about were not even me (example, the FOAD, i dunno what that even means). As for saying ``BS``, there is isn`t any protocol for notes for deleting unsolicted opinions on my own talk page. Please refrain from posting there unless you have something constructive to mention, cheers CJ DUB (talk) 04:46, 25 November 2007 (UTC)

You are right, there are no rules regarding you deleting comments on your own talk page, I delete comments myself, as and when I feel the need. However, there certainly are rules regarding civility, you must remain civil at all times, that includes your edits, your edit summaries, and even the edit summaries on your own talk page.

FOAD is a well known explicit insult, and the edit was talking about was quite obviously made by you, as it was posted from your account 02:05, 21 August 2007 CJ DUB (Talk | contribs) m (5,351 bytes) (foad) (undo) it is highly unlikely that you were unaware of the meaning of the term FOAD, the chances of you typing 4 random letters and coming up with a well known insult is close to zero.

I don't care if you delete my comments, or if you make edits that have content that I don't agree with, just watch your tone while on wikipedia.Sennen goroshi (talk) 05:02, 25 November 2007 (UTC)


 * RE FOAD: Oh yeah that one. That was FOUR MONTHS AGO! That user was warned by wikipedia as well as by me to stop posting incessant messages on my on my page, re: his love for Dominic Hasek. I was getting one every day. Maybe you should follow the whole thread before you comment. Also, what business is it of yours to police incidental conflicts on wikipedia, that have NOTHING to do with you? I have been writing articles forever, and i happen to be a ruthless, unbiased editor when it comes to fancruft on wikipedia, as per wiki mandate. I just get tired of dealing with little 12 yo's all the time. Finally, don't insert comments into the middle of discussions on my talk page. CJ DUB (talk) 16:20, 25 November 2007 (UTC)

please remain civil. Sennen goroshi (talk) 16:47, 25 November 2007 (UTC)


 * Hey buddy, I had a look at YOUR user page and history; it seems like maybe you shouldn't be the one lecturing me on civility, facts, editing. You have quite a history of making abusive edits and bigoted slurs, especially against Korean pages and koreans. Let me know how your banning goes. Love, CJ DUB (talk) 16:54, 25 November 2007 (UTC)

York Castle
Let me add my request for a little civility on your part, CJDub. One can be executed by hanging in chains. Had you clicked on the link to Roger Akse in the York Castle page, you would have seen a sentence talking about the pros and cons of hanging (by rope), drawing and quartering vs hanging in chains. Both are forms of execution; apparently the issue is one of intensity of pain versus its duration. In any case, I will be investigating the issue of the hanged/hung usage further to see what is appropriate in this case. Acad Ronin (talk) 14:02, 27 November 2007 (UTC)


 * Its a direct quote from the guide book. CJ DUB (talk) 16:43, 27 November 2007 (UTC)


 * I was not objecting to the quote. I was objecting to the gratuitous LOL portion of the remark, which was especially unwarranted given that a little checking would have revealed that apparently it was incorrect. To descend almost to your level - ROFLMAO. Acad Ronin 02:38, 3 December 2007 (UTC)

12 year old editors
The comment about 12 year old editors on your user page is inappropriate. Wikipedia can be edited by anyone, and this sort of comment is counter productive. Please would you remove it. Thanks. Kelpin (talk) 10:13, 28 November 2007 (UTC)


 * Actually I made a comment about 12yo Wannabe  editors. Nothing wrong with that, and nothing wrong with 12 yo editing wiki.

Request for arbitration
A request for arbitration has been placed at Requests for arbitration. The arbitration involves not only the issues with Korean cuisine but the issues with editing the article South Korea and the civility of multiple editors.--Chef Christopher Allen Tanner, CCC (talk) 07:32, 30 November 2007 (UTC)

Ford Mustang variants
I do not agree with you deleting the AV8ER from the Ford Mustang variants article, I think you should at least ask for clarification on the talk page before completely removing it from the article. If you look at the reference you will find it is made by Ford Racing so that is probably why it is under the race variants section. Either way it is still a mustang variant and should remain on the article under race variants or something else.--Theoneintraining (talk) 07:27, 12 September 2008 (UTC)
 * The issue is that it should not be completly removed from the article. It still belongs on the article.--Theoneintraining (talk) 02:46, 13 September 2008 (UTC)
 * I do not understand you first you said it was not a race variant now you are saying it is not a Ford Mustang variant? you refuse to reply on a talk page so you use edit summary's to communicate. You're not very civil.--Theoneintraining (talk) 03:37, 13 September 2008 (UTC)

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Ricer
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