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Speedy deletion nomination of User:CPCnotCCP


Hello, and welcome to Wikipedia. A tag has been placed on User:CPCnotCCP requesting that it be speedily deleted from Wikipedia. This has been done under section U5 of the criteria for speedy deletion, because the page appears to consist of writings, information, discussions, and/or activities not closely related to Wikipedia's goals. Please note that Wikipedia is not a free web hosting service. Under the criteria for speedy deletion, such pages may be deleted at any time.

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Contested deletion
This page should not be speedily deleted because... (your reason here) --CPCnotCCP (talk) 08:58, 5 November 2022 (UTC)

I think that the about me section clearly spells out my opinions and it relays my intention of putting the requests through properly channel. CPCnotCCP (talk) 08:58, 5 November 2022 (UTC)

November 2022
 You have been blocked indefinitely from editing because it appears that you are not here to build an encyclopedia. If you think there are good reasons for being unblocked, please read the guide to appealing blocks, then add the following text below the block notice on your talk page:. 331dot (talk) 09:51, 12 November 2022 (UTC) I am not the blocking admin, but I have added this template so the user can request here and not through UTRS. 331dot (talk) 09:52, 12 November 2022 (UTC)


 * Hello dot, thank you for taking a look at this. I understand that you have closed the UTRS 2 appeal and redirected here.
 * I am making this both a block appeal and a request for discipline on Fastily. This is due to on two separate actions that he took, not only are the reasons that he linked to his actions are false, I find that he did so with malicious intent. For the sake of the argument, even if I was wrong, there is no logical reason to perma block a new user who finally decide to make an account based on only two history contribs. It is a poor choice to have someone like Fastily to be the first experiences that a new user may have to deal with here on Wikipedia, which I hope still adheres to its own published guidelines. Thank you for your time. CPCnotCCP (talk) 12:39, 12 November 2022 (UTC)

Reponse to Daniel Case in order to avoid overuse of UNBLOCK
I am going to address your decline decision by the order it was presented. Also copying  since they provided instructions for me prior.

1. "the use of WP:NOTHERE as the block reason, while valid IMO"

Response: I have already posted in my reasoning from Unblock #2, that the WP:NOTNOTHERE specifically stated that

-is allowed.

Furthermore, under "Advocating amendments to policies of guidelines of the same WP:NOTNOTHERE, I do not understand how your opinion applies the WP:NOTHERE since the two above guideline specifically states what I am doing is perfectly acceptable. Do you mind explaining how do you ignore the guideline listed?

2. "your username is unacceptable under that policy, another valid reason for this block."

Response: I checked the WP:IU, WP:ATTACKNAME, there is no listed guideline in there that my username CPCnotCCP violates. There is simply no guideline that states that a username can not be a point of perspective. The guideline clearly stated in WP:BADNAME that as an administrator, you should first assume good faith. Perhaps if you read why I select the username in the first unblock request you will understand why I choose that phrase. The second thing stated that if you find my name really objective, it is procedure for you to reach out to me and let me know that there is a problem. After that, you should of request comments on my username from other users. By instantly perma block me, none of Wikipedia guidelines is followed. Your comments are not valid.

3. "That username, in fact, indicates to me the same thing your edits do: you set this account up strictly to push a point of view. "

Response: This is where your statement tells me that you might be biased on this matter. Look at the evidence: The TALK page, the very place where a user is suppose to be to have a discussion. I replied to TWO (2) user's comments. That is all I was able to do after the account was created, and within 20 hours of the account creation, my account was perma blocked. I did not get a chance to do anything else. How about you follow the Wikipedia's guideline of WP:GF assume good faith, and actually observe my actions for a while before you make up your mind? initial actions were enough of a sample size to justify a block an account? That is the equivalent of a baby of 20 month old stepped on an ant and the baby will put to prison for life assuming that the baby will be a serial killer in the future. No neutral common sense will find two (2) sample size to enough to justify a permanent action, especially after I follow the guidelines and did NOT edit the article and only spoke in the TALK section.

Conclusion If you read my initial explaining in Unlock #1, I spoke about being neutral being the key, why I finally created an account, and why I want to have a discussion due to my perspective that some articles on Wikipedia is anything but neutral. Shall what I have encountered within 24 hour of my account creation be a precedent, I highly doubt that is the type of actions the creators of Wikipedia have intended. It is on the level of drawing dotted line linking far fetched reasoning against all published Wikipedia guidelines in order to silent and squash a perspective not shared by the people with privileges. I do not know if you will respond of any other admin will shine in their view point. But I am trying to talk it out with everyone before I request an arbitration hearing. Thank you and please comment, whatever your position may be.

CPCnotCCP (talk) 16:08, 19 November 2022 (UTC)
 * See WP:LAWYER. explains it in enough detail below so that I don't have to. Daniel Case (talk) 16:58, 19 November 2022 (UTC)
 * You are not "perma blocked", which would suggest there is no way back. You are blocked until you can convince an adminstrator you will not repeat the reason for the block.  Big difference. You had not made a single edit to an article. You haven't offered sources to support the change you advocate, you only seem to say that one policy should override another policy. I think your analogy is grossly exaggerated.
 * Your username indeed violates policy, WP:USERNAME; "Usernames that are likely to offend other contributors, and either cause disruption to productive Wikipedia processes or discussions, or make harmonious editing difficult or impossible to achieve; e.g. by containing profanities, or referencing highly-contentious events or controversies". By your own suggestion this is a contentious area you edited in. It would be no different if your username was DonaldTrumpforPresident2024 or JoeBidenforPresident2024 or TexasShouldSecede. Politics should stay out of usernames. If this was a formal unblock request, I would decline it.  You can make a formal unblock request for someone else to look at, but you seem to be saying you will contact the Arbitration Committee. 331dot (talk) 16:50, 19 November 2022 (UTC)
 * Thanks for your comments.
 * I have the following to say:
 * 1. in regarding to your first paragraph, yes there is only so many things I can do before I was blocked in 20 hours and didn't really get a chance to do anything else. Please understand I am trying to learn how to properly source stuff. In those 2 talk section replies, I was just responding to the users. I stated that I plan to follow the guidelines that before any contested article edits, I will propose the edited text in talk session. That is my statement from even the original UTR2. I never intend on breaking the rules.
 * 2. Thanks for reaching out to me about the username. And thank you for following the guideline. To me it's hardly offensive but I will take your position on it and request a username change, something like GreenRectangleLeaf, after I get unblocked.
 * CPCnotCCP (talk) 17:09, 19 November 2022 (UTC)
 * In his decline message, Daniel Case gave you the unblock request template to use to make a request that simultaneously proposes a new username. If you propose one, we can change it. 331dot (talk) 17:19, 19 November 2022 (UTC)
 * @331dot@Daniel Case
 * Thanks for getting back to me 331dot. Few things:
 * 1. Right now there is an "indefinite block" on my account. I read the dispute process and it looks like there isn't any where for me to go except for arbitration. I do not want to abuse the Unblock process either hence why I am talking to you here. To change the name or not, Daniel Case stated that I need to get unblocked first. So I am here to reach an consensus of what needs to be done before I attempt to do what you said. If the process is not to arbitration, please let me know what to do next.
 * 2. You confirmed that I made no article edits, and I only replied to a couple of comments in the Talk section. My position on that matter might be a minority voice, but my actions, except for the username that I now know, violates no Wikipedia policy. To summarize everything down to a very simple term: Does two un-sourced replies in favor of a minority opinion on a contested Talk page done by a new user warrant a indefinite block? The answer is very clear.
 * 3. By sticking to Wikipedia's policy and not circumvent the block, you can see that I am serious about following the guidelines. I just do not believe my actions justifies the block. Someone could of easily reach out to me and let me know about the issue at hand, as per guideline. You will see that I am actually a very reasonable person and if given more than 20 hours on Wikipedia, I will have other contributions. How about actually give me some time before you make your mind up on my intentions? BTW, I think it's ironic how Daniel Case bought up WP:Wikilawyering, as it contained the following
 * CPCnotCCP (talk) 14:52, 21 November 2022 (UTC)
 * The way forward is for you to make another unblock request for someone else to review. If you eventually lose access to this page(hypothetically), the next step would be WP:UTRS; if that fails only then would you go to the Arbitration Committee. 331dot (talk) 15:27, 21 November 2022 (UTC)


 * Rarely have I seen someone so entitled and unaware of their own biased opinions as this user! And their aim was to show the rest of us how to be neutral! This really is so so funny. Long may the (deserved) ban continue86.137.20.87 (talk) 20:28, 20 December 2022 (UTC

Hello May I get an update of the status of the unblock and name change request? I has been over a month. Thanks. CPCnotCCP (talk) 20:42, 24 December 2022 (UTC)

Hello, I am not understanding the response that you left. Since the information that you left is within an OR statement, I am only going to focus on the first one: As I have repeatly stated above, what damage or disruption have I caused Wikipedia? It is black and white that I did not edit the article itself. I expressed a dissident opinion although not rare by far, in the TALK page, by definition is a forum to air out these disagreements, and by rules of Wikipedia WP:NOTHERENORMS specifically allowed to express. I have agreed to change my username which an admin pointed out, so why exactly am I still being declined an unblock? CPCnotCCP (talk) 22:18, 10 January 2023 (UTC)


 * Per Daniel Case's decline, you need to use unblock-un to request the unblock because your username does not comply with policy. Further, you're going to need to describe what edits you intend to make, which should demonstrate that you are in fact here to build an encyclopedia. signed,Rosguill talk 22:28, 10 January 2023 (UTC)
 * Hello Rosguill thanks for getting back to me. When I applied for the unblock that you declined, I did use the unblock-un template as specified by DanielCase. It even asked me what the new username that I want, which I specified SquareLeaf since that was available at the time.
 * As to answer your inquiry about what edits I intend to make, well nothing directly. The one thing I tried to explain above but no one seems to pick up on is this:
 * I could just changed my IP and start anew, but I did not. I instead choose to follow Wikipedia's rules and go through this so far very long appeal process and get myself unblocked.
 * I could of just start an account, get the number of edits required so I will be allowed to edit semi protected articles. But I did not, instead I choose to express my dissenting views in the talk page so a discussion could be had.
 * When my unblock requests did not succeed, I did not use any foul language and instead asked the few admins that is willing to help me out here what should I do next.
 * I truly believe I did nothing wrong to warranty this block. Yes you can expect dissenting views from me, and I understand they might not be popular. However, the one other thing you can also expect from me is that I will always play by the rules and go through the channels and accept the outcome, instead of starting reverting wars. CPCnotCCP (talk) 23:03, 11 January 2023 (UTC)
 * Your username could be interpreted as a violation of Username policy in that it implies intent to polemicize about a specific community guideline rather than to build the encyclopedia. You can make a further unblock request for consideration by another admin at any time. I would recommend that your request focus on what editing work you intend to do on Wikipedia other than advocating for the use of CPC, as this is what will convince the reviewing admin that you're here to contribute in good faith. signed,Rosguill talk 00:40, 12 January 2023 (UTC)
 * Your username could be interpreted as a violation of Username policy in that it implies intent to polemicize about a specific community guideline rather than to build the encyclopedia. You can make a further unblock request for consideration by another admin at any time. I would recommend that your request focus on what editing work you intend to do on Wikipedia other than advocating for the use of CPC, as this is what will convince the reviewing admin that you're here to contribute in good faith. signed,Rosguill talk 00:40, 12 January 2023 (UTC)

Personal attacks at Talk:Chinese Communist Party
There is currently a discussion at Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents regarding an issue with which you may have been involved. The discussion is about your Personal attacks at Talk:Chinese Communist Party. Thank you. Nutez (talk) 19:53, 29 January 2023 (UTC)


 * Hi Nutez, I looked at the noticeboard and this does not apply to me.
 * I am taking a few months off from Wikipedia as one of the admin suggested. When I return I will reply to the ongoing comments.
 * Thank you. CPCnotCCP (talk) 01:43, 31 March 2023 (UTC)

Why this account is blocked, record of incident from my perspective
1. What happened. I reference Wikipedia on subjects that I need understanding quickly. Throughout the years, there are few articles that I disagree with, but none of them compelled me enough to actually make a Wikipedia account and try to state my different perspective. That is until I saw this article on Communist Party of China, which in my opinion is clearly biased and goes against the WP:NPOV. So I made this account, and I made the following two dissenting additions in the Community Party of China's talk page.

The first comment that I posted in the Talk section is:

the second comment that I posted in the Talk section was:

In addition to the comments, I attempted to set up my own user page stating that I would prefer a more neutral Wikipedia, and that the world will be a better place if we are all working and talking to each other.

2. The Indefinite Block.

Within 20 hours of my account creation, at 08:56, 5 November 2022 Fastily deleted my user page User:CPCnotCCP with the comments of (U5: Misuse of Wikipedia as a web host) https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special:Log&logid=138854638 The "Speedy deletion nomination of User:CPCnotCCP" section is also preserved on this very talk page.

I posted on Fastily's talk page asking the admin why my userpage deleted. He did not reply. Someone else replied to me and let me know that new users need 5 edits before being allowed to have a userpage. I said I did not know that and logged off. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Fastily/Archive_7#You_deleted_my_user:_page_claiming_it_was_under_U5

Moments later, my account was indefinitely blocked by Fastily. 19:47, 5 November 2022 Fastily blocked CPCnotCCP with an expiration time of indefinite (account creation blocked) (Clearly not here to build an encyclopedia: see contribs, SPA pushing a very specific POV) https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special:Log&logid=138862923

From the time I created the account to the time my account being blocked, it was active for less than 20 hours.

3. Fastily's charge #1 for deletion of my userpage as "U5: Misuse of Wikipedia as a web host".

My Response The deletion of my userpage was unfounded. I was most definitely not using Wikipedia as a webhost to promote my self. There was no links to exterior sites nor am I a business.

4. Fastily's reason for my Indefinite Block: "not here to build an encyclopedia".

My Response Under WP:NOTNOTHERE Focusing on niche topic areas is specifically allowed in the first paragraph, even if my action is purely as Fastily described "SPA pushing a very specific POV", which I was not. I created the account for less than 20 hours before it was blocked, I did not have time to do anything else. The two comments in a talk page that I posted just happened to be the first things I did on Wikipedia, they are not representative of my future actions or intentions in time.

I need to emphasize that I did not just went ahead and edit the article. I was trying to express a dissenting point of view in the Talk page, which is exactly what it is purposed for, and how differences should be discussed openly and settled according to  WP:NOTHERENORMS. As you can see from section one, the comments I posted are respectful and civil. I just happen to disagree.

5. My username is offensive.

My Response A couple of admin pointed out that my username is considered offensive, and that leads to a block. I acknowledged that I did not know we could not put a point of view into a username. I mentioned that instead of a block, an admin could of just reach out and let me know about this according to WP:BADNAME policy and I would of changed it. I do have plan to change my user SquareLeaf if I am unblocked. If that username is taken at that time, SquareLeaf1 or SquareLeaf2 would work also, unless someone out there finds a SquareLeaf to be offensive.

6. Time off I followed one of the admin's advice and took more than 6 months off from this matter. You can see that I am respecting the block and did not attempt to circumvent the block. May the admins consider that my actions so far could possibly be an indicator otherwise? I hope the Wikipedia community can see what I actually will do, instead of rushing to a judgement based on assumption, especially in a talk page that is designed for users to express their opinion. I hope Wikipedia will stay true to the WP:5P and allow this place to be a neutral and educational central for information. While we do not have to agree with one another, opinions from all positions should be able to expressed freely and heard, as long as the conversation stays civil. At least that is my understanding of the Wikipedia community. Thank you CPCnotCCP (talk) 23:50, 12 October 2023 (UTC)

Unblock and username change request 3

 * @JBW, Since you went so far about how I don't understand, and you did not do so, please take a look at my Special:Contributions/CPCnotCCP and explain in detail for the record how / what exactly did my actions violate the Wikipedia rules, and an ongoing block is needed to prevent continuing damage to Wikipedia. Thank you. CPCnotCCP (talk) 00:12, 10 December 2023 (UTC)
 * @JBW I never heard back from you. Do you care to comment at this point? Do you care actually citing Wikipedia rules and explain which policies I have violated? CPCnotCCP (talk) 17:33, 12 January 2024 (UTC)

I am normally well disposed to consider unblock requests from blocked editors who say that they will not continue with the kind of editing which led to the block. However, I have doubts about the competence to contribute to an English language encyclopaedia of someone who is so out of touch with what the English language means to speakers of English as to really hold the absurd view that writing "Chinese Communist Party" rather than "Communist Party of China" is some kind of evil biased form of words used with the intention of viciously discrediting that organisation. I don't see anything in what you have written that gives me any confidence that you won't continue to plug ideas of that kind. JBW (talk) 08:09, 28 October 2023 (UTC)
 * It's a major issue to some people. I guess similar to Democrat Party (epithet) in the United States, which is a way to troll members of the Democratic Party.  Minor variations in words or phrases can align you with the wrong group. NinjaRobotPirate (talk) 18:59, 1 November 2023 (UTC)
 * Hello JBW, I see that you are an administrator of Wikipedia, so to a certain level, you or your actions represent Wikipedia.
 * I am going to respond to your comment in the order it's written.
 * 1. Please do not make up actions or statements that I did not write. I never said anything about
 * quote: "
 * If you actually read the section Why this account is blocked above, you will see that I did not violate any Wikipedia rules except for my username. Also, I must emphasize yet again that  I never edited any article . I civilly discussed an unpopular perspective in the talk section, and that is specially allowed under WP:NOTNOTHERE. The block, as explained by previous admins was caused by my username. And now I am requesting a change of username to cure that problem. However, if you as an admin, are now telling me that the block was the result from my "editing" in a talk page, then the block itself violates WP:BLOCKP. Stick to the WP:NOOB and the WP:GF, give some time and you will see that while our perspectives may disagree, I always have and will act civilly and respect the rules of Wikipedia, and not isolated to just this subject.
 * 2. quote:
 * Let me be the first to say that my grammar is not pristine. However, this entire talk page, is written in the English language. If you or anyone else has any fundamental doubts on about my ability to communicate a perspective, please do comment why.
 * 3. quote:
 * Without getting personal, your statement directly contradicts WP:EPOV. I highly recommend you review that policy. Again, in WP:NOTNOTHERE, it specifically states that "expressing unpopular opinions – even extremely unpopular opinions – in a non-disruptive manner" is allowed. Just because my perspective is different from yours on a single subject, it doesn't mean I have no place on Wikipedia to express it, or am completely barred from contributing to other topics, especially in the civil way that I did.
 * 4. Organization, is not spelled as "organisation".
 * 5. quote:
 * This is the part of your comment that really gets troubling. WP:NOPUNISH and WP:BLOCKP clearly state that
 * You have your perspective on the topic of the Communist Party of China and I can respect that. However, it is absolutely dangerous to think that a simple discussion of this topic backed by research, but does not fit your view, shouldn't be allowed; or that the people who share those opposing perspectives aren't capable or "competent" enough to contribute to a community on this or any other subjects on Wikipedia. The English language has a word for that: censorship, to say the very least. Also, in quote "English language means to speakers of English" community, you will find overwhelming support for the position of free discussion, as long as it is done civilly and without threats, like I have. If you, as an administrator of Wikipedia, are censoring accounts based on whether their edits conforms to your perspective or not, in other words, attempting to silence opposing perspectives, and other admins agree with you, then Wikipedia isn't what I think it stands for, and I want no part of it.
 * 6. To sum it all up, the only rule here I have broken is my username, for which I should have received a warning and request for change, but I got a block instead. I have put in an attempt to cure with unblock-un already. Once that is changed, there is no longer a need for a block, according to the written policies of Wikipedia found in WP:BLOCKP. If you, as an admin, cannot be impartial on this matter due to our different perspectives, then you should abstain.
 * CPCnotCCP (talk) 05:46, 10 November 2023 (UTC)
 * CPCnotCCP (talk) 05:46, 10 November 2023 (UTC)