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 * Well done @CRau080! MatthewDalhousie (talk) 05:45, 21 April 2023 (UTC)
 * Thanks @MatthewDalhousie, I am glad that the article – which got accepted very rapidly – has proven to be a good start into my article writing, even though it can surely still be improved.--CRau080 (talk) 16:43, 21 April 2023 (UTC)

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July 1 police stabbing --> Derived arrests
Hi, @CRau080, I know that from the text, the connection is not very clear. But it is clear they were arrested BECAUSE of the incident. The incident is the reason why they published those posts and were arrested. (I have seen some of the posts) According to some of the sources, the police also believed they were related, whether directly or indirectly (though might not be). We can see that the arrests were made because of this, especially when I read some of the sources I see the police often mentioned the stabbing when talking about the arrests. (for example ). I think maybe I can insert something about this to make it clearer. Thanks :) Eight96Four (talk) 09:20, 30 July 2021 (UTC)


 * Hi, Eight96Four, thank you for your thoughts. The Hong Kong Free Press reference that I have just added to the article does not appear to draw a clear connection between the arrests reported therein, and the July 1 stabbing. But I still do support including past and future arrests under the heading "Derived arrests" (a name that may leave space for some confusion but still seems reasonable), as long as at least the police is drawing a connection to the stabbing in some statement regarding the arrests in question. (On the other hand, based on the articles I read, I am not convinced that each of the arrests themselves was related to the stabbing. Allegations of inciting others online to harm police or their premises could be a basis for arrest also in absence of that, of course.) Especially if the police statements are the only connection that support inclusion in the article in this sense, then the substantial dissent regarding the police (and HK government) narrative about a climate of potential lone-wolf attacks and other threats – and the need for the National Security Law also in light of this – should still stay in view of the reader. I have tried to hint at this dissent in the opening sentence of the section. A more expansive statement on the narrative of police and government could – and probably should – be included in the article at a later stage.


 * To heed WP:CRYSTALBALL, there is no need to speculate here, but if there were many more arrests that the police – or government – relate to online (or some other) support of the knifeman, there may be a time when a renaming or offshoot article would be appropriate. It would seem odd to me if the description of arrests ended up being much longer than the account of the July 1 stabbing, the topic of the article, itself.


 * I suggest to conduct any further discussion of the article on its talk page, also as I imagine other editors may then find it easier to add their thoughts. Thank you.--CRau080 (talk) 18:01, 31 July 2021 (UTC)

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Help me!
Please help me with... the problem of how long an article essentially just consisting of section headers, as is the case with the recently created article Timeline of reactions to the Hong Kong national security law (December 2021) as of this writing, would be allowed to stand as is. If an article could be regarded as having been created by merely this, and (allowing for some delay, perhaps) putting the onus on other editors to fill in all the other content, then that would seem problematic to me. (Some minor edits which don't essentially change the preceding verdict have been made since.)--CRau080 (talk) 00:15, 3 February 2022 (UTC) CRau080 (talk) 00:15, 3 February 2022 (UTC)
 * An article containing material with neither references nor links to other articles is always going to be at risk. Any editor who objects can summarily remove it.  — jmcgnh (talk) (contribs) 00:30, 3 February 2022 (UTC)
 * The article in question does have two links to other articles now – just hardly anything else. Unless editors get at filling in "real" content, so to speak, how long is a reasonable time before deletion of the article could be considered? Or does the mere presence of cross-links already advise against deletion?--CRau080 (talk)
 * There is no 'reasonable time'. Material without sources may always be removed. Deletion of the entire article is a different matter and would most likely have to be discussed at Articles for deletion.  — jmcgnh (talk) (contribs) 04:22, 3 February 2022 (UTC)

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Beautiful work - and valuable work too
Hello from Australia. And hats off to you for your work on List of Hong Kong national security cases. Vital someone does it. MatthewDalhousie (talk) 04:50, 22 October 2022 (UTC)


 * Thank you from Germany. Answers to the questions of (i) which articles one should dedicate time to as editor, and (ii) how much the work is valued by readers, are both elusive in general but your opinion serves as a yardstick that is much appreciated.--CRau080 (talk) 19:57, 22 October 2022 (UTC)
 * Thank you again for your encouragement to dedicate time to this article. I mostly focused on having as many of the references to be in English, although I also did some rewriting of entries, to varying extent, to match with the new references, or to add details that I deemed relevant. I also corrected some errors and inaccuracies; I hope I have not introduced new ones. The whole task turned out to be a considerably more laborious than I thought, which is perhaps due to me not having worked often on a project on this scale. I will keep making edits where I see fit, but perhaps not at the same rate as previously.--CRau080 (talk) 19:21, 9 February 2023 (UTC)

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 * Hi, CRauo80, I saw that you were the sole author so far of the draft Wikipedia article on statistician Piet Groeneboom. I think he is a notable scientist so one should not abandon the project. I will see if I can help improve the draft. Should not be difficult. Richard Gill (talk) 08:36, 13 January 2023 (UTC)


 * Hi, Richard Gill, thank you for your message and willingness to improve this draft article. I found the decision of rejection problematic. Perhaps some good sources have eluded me – the shortage thereof was cited by the reviewer, so it is the most immediate point that one may want to fix if possible. There is surely space for improvement of the draft in other respects, too. Much appreciated if you can help; I trust that it will make a difference, with your (fully transparent) connection to the subject not being a hindrance.--CRau080 (talk) 10:33, 13 January 2023 (UTC)
 * Well, here are the criteria:
 * 1. The person's research has had a significant impact in their scholarly discipline, broadly construed, as demonstrated by independent reliable sources.
 * 2. The person has received a highly prestigious academic award or honor at a national or international level.
 * 3. The person has been an elected member of a highly selective and prestigious scholarly society or association (e.g., a National Academy of Sciences or the Royal Society) or a fellow of a major scholarly society which reserves fellow status as a highly selective honor (e.g., Fellow of the Institute of Electrical and Electronics Engineers).
 * 4. The person's academic work has made a significant impact in the area of higher education, affecting a substantial number of academic institutions.
 * 5. The person has held a named chair appointment or distinguished professor appointment at a major institution of higher education and research, or an equivalent position in countries where named chairs are uncommon.
 * 6. The person has held a highest-level elected or appointed administrative post at a major academic institution or major academic society.
 * 7. The person has had a substantial impact outside academia in their academic capacity.
 * 8. The person has been the head or chief editor of a major, well-established academic journal in their subject area.
 * We only need to establish one (or more) of these criteria, and we should obviously go for item 1. We need to give hard evidence that Piet's work has had significant impact, by listing independent reliable sources. This means, for instance, listing some research monographs written by others which expose his methodology and results. And the fact that the prestigious journal "Statistical Science" published an interview with him, http://dutiosc.twi.tudelft.nl/~pietg/Conversation.pdf.
 * Regarding 2, Piet received a very prestigious prize near the beginning of his career. He has given some prestigious invited talks (eg the Wald lectures) and invited (and published) lecture courses and had some notable guest professorships.
 * Regarding most of the other criteria, Piet kept out of the lime-light and concentrated on research and teaching; not in isolation but together with his students and international collaborators (some of them on Wikipedia, mentioning them with the Wikipedia link shows notability). Some of his PhD students achieved great fame and have Wikipedia pages about them, we should link to them. He is a fellow of IMS, and of ISI. He didn't organise conferences or edit journals or sit on committees very much.
 * The book of Groeneboom and Wellner got cited close to a thousand times. https://scholar.google.com/citations?user=wjyI8twAAAAJ&hl=nl There is a wikipedia article on Jon Wellner.
 * The most cited papers have citation numbers which are pretty large for very heavy theoretical mathematical work. Thing is, this work had big impact deep into survival analysis, missing data theory and the like. See for instance the important survey paper "Multi-state models for event history analysis" by Per Kragh Andersen and Niels Keiding. Amazingly, there don't seem to be Wikipedia pages on Andersen or Keiding.
 * Piet's homepage http://dutiosc.twi.tudelft.nl/~pietg/ tells some more about him; and his papers are listed on Google Scholar https://scholar.google.com/citations?user=wjyI8twAAAAJ&hl=nl
 * Most recently Piet did fantastic work on the Covid incubation time showing that nonparametric methods were much more reliable than conventional epidemiological methods based on just made up parametric assumptions.
 * Piet is a world authority in the field of shape-constrained inference. Pity this subject is not itself subject of a wikipedia article. Nonparametric estimation is also missing. Various articles on Cox regression, proportional hazards, etc, never cite the famous paper by Andersen & Gill or the famous book by Andersen, Borgan, Gill & Keiding. The problem is that most articles on statistical methodology are written by and for users who are interested in recipes for use in practice, not in the underlying mathematical justification. Richard Gill (talk) 12:16, 13 January 2023 (UTC)

Academic notability is confirmed by a glance at his citation scores on Google scholar. There are 11 papers with three figure citation counts. The top scoring paper is cited 900+ times. So: add this citation evidence. Add his fellowship of IMS and ISI, and that he has been a Wald lecturer (the highest honour there is in the world of mathematical statistics). Add a reference to his interview in “Statistical Science” (also a sign of notability). Mention his many PhD students including Marloes Maathuis (who also has a Wikipedia page). He currently works in science outreach, through a column he writes for the quarterly news magazine of the Dutch Mathematical Society. Richard Gill (talk) 05:47, 15 January 2023 (UTC)


 * Thank you again for your suggestions. Several additions you suggest were actually present in the declined version. To my knowledge, PhD students are generally only listed on a supervisor's Wikipedia page if the students themselves are the subject of Wikipedia articles (though there may be some latitude in this; I haven't looked up the rules). I will think about how to further support notability, be it through Google Scholar or otherwise. Regrettably, I do not have access to MathSciNet, as an important case in point. Perhaps other editors can also contribute to the draft in due course; not sure if it will make a difference, but it will certainly help remedy large and small oversights on my part, also given that I am not an expert in much of Groeneboom's research areas.--CRau080 (talk) 11:12, 15 January 2023 (UTC)
 * I will be happy to add further information on the specific research area, just let me know when you would like me to step in. Regarding PhD students, see https://www.genealogy.math.ndsu.nodak.edu/id.php?id=75843, only Marloes Maathuis achieved Wikipedia notability, so only she needs to be mentioned.
 * I can get into MathSciNet. Groeneboom has 78 publications there. What info would you look for? Richard Gill (talk) 15:42, 15 January 2023 (UTC)
 * Your draft says "His paper on the problem came to be regarded as a benchmark in the field of shape-constrained inference." Can you support this claim by reference to some Reliable Source? (I think you are right, but who has said this?)Richard Gill (talk) 15:50, 15 January 2023 (UTC)
 * Maybe the interview in statistical science is a good reference. The abstract is by the interviewer, not by the interviewee. "Groeneboom is well known for his work on shape constrained statistical inference. He worked on asymptotic theory for these problems, created algorithms to compute nonparametric estimates in such models and applied these models to real data. He also worked on interacting particle systems, extreme value analysis and efficiency theory for testing procedures." One can support the claim that his methodology was adopted by practitioners in medical statistics by reference to Marloes Maathuis' work. Both Groeneboom and Maathuis have implemented this methodology in the R packages. Richard Gill (talk) 16:14, 15 January 2023 (UTC)
 * On your four comments above: 1,2) There is now some coverage – from admittedly a non-expert perspective – on several key areas of Groeneboom's research. Checking MathSciNet would certainly still help, but I cannot put specific questions to you on this at the moment. At any rate, I hope I have remedied most of the issues with criterion 1 for notable researcher. 3) I didn't reference each single sentence, but gave them as relating to "chunks" of text. The statement you ask about is paraphrased from Jon Wellner in the Stat Sci interview cited one sentence later. 4) The Stat Sci interview was conducted by a close colleague (this pairing seems common for those interviews, by the way), that is why I am hesitant to use it more extensively than is already the case, even given the peer review. Wherever Marloes Maathuis acknowledges Groeneboom's code, matters are clear, but otherwise one should probably mention both, thereby reducing in my view the matter from "what makes him notable" to "what has he done" (though I admit that there is a slight inconsistency with co-authorship in journal papers, but then papers are perhaps still different from software); while the second matter of these two is certainly of interest to many readers, it is not the crucial one for getting the submission through, at least in my opinion.--CRau080 (talk) 11:16, 17 January 2023 (UTC)

More info:

Groeneboom's iterative convexe minorant algorithm (book with Jon Wellner, and a year earlier, Stanford lectures) is used for instance by Wei Pan. https://www.tandfonline.com/doi/abs/10.1080/10618600.1999.10474804 See more by googling “iterative convex minorant algorithm”.

In https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S0167947398000267, Pan and en Chappell say: The iterative convex minorant (ICM) algorithm (Groeneboom and Wellner, 1992) is widely believed to be much faster than the EM algorithm (Turnbull, 1976) in computing the NPMLE of the distribution function for interval censored data.

Geurt Jongbloed's (former student of Groeneboom) modification of the ICM algoritme (add line search from the method of Armijo) is often mentioned in the literature.

Jewell and van der Laan say (Annals of Statistics 2003, Vol. 31, No. 2, 512–535 CURRENT STATUS AND RIGHT-CENSORED DATA STRUCTURES WHEN OBSERVING A MARKER AT THE CENSORING TIME): Groeneboom (1998) implements the NPMLE by maximizing the actual likelihood with a modern optimization algorithm. In fact this is about an interior point algorithm described: Nonparametric Estimation of the Lifetime and Disease Onset Distributions for a Survival-Sacrifice Model (Antonio Eduardo Gomes, Piet Groeneboom and Jon Wellner). Electron. J. Stat. 13 (2019), no. 2, 3195--3242 R script for the primal-dual interior point method used in the paper: https://github.com/pietg/survival-sacrifice-model

Marloes Maathuis created the R package MLEcens which uses the support reduction algorithm of Groeneboom based on his own C code. She writes something like: “The code, is based on C code written by Piet Groeneboom”. For this algorithm for computing nonparametric function estimates in mixture models, see.Piet Groeneboom, Geurt Jongbloed and Jon Wellner. arXiv:math/0405511v1 (2008). Scandinavian Journal of Statistics (2008). Vol. 35, 385-399.

More recently Groeneboom (2018) with Kim Hendrickx wrote the R package curstatCI (confidence intervals for current status data) gemaakt. This uses innovatively "smooth functional theory" and the bootstrap. The nonparametric bootstrap for the current status model (2017), Electron. J. Statist. 11 (2): 3446–84. Richard Gill (talk) 05:29, 16 January 2023 (UTC)

Notice the 31 references to Groeneboom's work in a standard text on interval censored data, including the remark "the study of asymptotic properties of the NPMLE based on interval-censored failure time data is a difficult, but important issue. For this, much of the important ground work is laid out in Groeneboom and Wellner (1992)”. https://link.springer.com/content/pdf/10.1007/0-387-37119-2.pdf Richard Gill (talk) 07:03, 16 January 2023 (UTC)

The work is frequently cited (positively!) in Handbook of Survival Analysis, edited by John P. Klein, Hans C. van Houwelingen, Joseph G. Ibrahim, Thomas H. Scheike. Richard Gill (talk) 10:05, 16 January 2023 (UTC)

Interestingly, I recently proposed to delete an article about another Dutch statistician which has remained a stub for four years. It seems that my proposal will be rejected purely on the basis of citation counts. See https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/Nico_Nagelkerke. This provides a good counter-argument for the rejection of your proposed article on Groeneboom! Richard Gill (talk) 15:07, 16 January 2023 (UTC)


 * I posit that there is a difference with Wikipedia's criteria for retention of an article, and that of having them added. I could think of several reasons for this to be so. Perhaps an old-hand Wikipedian (or even a newer one) would contradict me on this. What "is" clear to me, however, is that in an encyclopedia of any serious quality, if it has an article on Nagelkerke, I would expect to find one on Groeneboom.--CRau080 (talk) 11:22, 17 January 2023 (UTC)


 * Thanks for your thoughtful responses! We just have to make some improvements, and try again. "Be bold"! I think you did fantastic work and were just a bit unlucky; the article was turned down on *too* formal grounds. As soon as you have resubmitted an improved version let me know and I will see if I can add further improvements. Incidentally, I just started a new article on Niels Keiding. It is quite amazing such an article did not already exist. Richard Gill (talk) 11:29, 17 January 2023 (UTC)
 * Thank you. It will probably not be hard to believe that I have spent a fair bit of time on this draft, although I appreciate that this won't by itself increase the chances of it to pass. I already resubmitted the draft after a first round of improvements that mostly targeted the references. Since Wikipedia clearly states that one can keep editing submitted drafts, me having done so should not lessen the chance of acceptance (I hope), also given that the waiting times for a decision can be (and were, in the first round) substantial.
 * Thank you for starting the article on Niels Keiding. Certainly good that the apparently patchy coverage of statisticians (and probabilists) on Wikipedia is improved. By the way, I recall that my idea to work on an article about Groeneboom came from the list of Rollo Davidson Prize awardees, where many names remain red. Perhaps I will get to further complete this list, with lessons learned from the instance we have here.--CRau080 (talk) 11:48, 17 January 2023 (UTC)
 * So, @CRau080, would you like help from other editors - on the existing draft? I can certainly help build out secondary sources for citations.MatthewDalhousie (talk) 05:39, 19 January 2023 (UTC)
 * Meantime the article on Niels Keiding ran into copyright issues. I had taken verbatim some biographical information (all completely in the public domain) from an "In Memoriam" written by colleagues of Niels at the request of the international society ISI and published by ISI. I had written explicitly that that's where the information came from. Now those same colleagues have to write to ISI to gain written permission to re-use their own text, or we have to rewrite our own words in our own words. It's a bit tedious. Richard Gill (talk) 06:14, 19 January 2023 (UTC)
 * Yes, I noticed that and I am sorry for this trouble. I found very similar text also in the J Royal Stat Soc Series A article I cited in an interim version of the article. I speculate that that journal in turn made requests regarding copyright beyond what ISI may require. Wikipedia takes copyright issues very seriously, I noticed this previously with images; I am not a legal expert and all we can do is align with Wikipedia's requirements, as you have essentially said on the talk page for the article on Niels Keiding, where I am happy to have further pertaining conversation.--CRau080 (talk) 15:22, 19 January 2023 (UTC)
 * Thank you @MatthewDalhousie for your interest in this draft. Any help on it is much appreciated. I have edited the article to the degree that I think it stands a fair chance when re-reviewed. I have trawled the internet for free copies of manuscripts and other material, which on occasion I did find but marked as paywalled in the references, as I rather did not want to risk link rot through linking to the source I had found. From my most recent edits, it may transpire that it got difficult to find new sources without subscriptions (or me heading to a university library, an effort which I hesitate to make). For someone with access rights, I would suggest to have a look at the review of Groeneboom's 1980 book (in German) saying, as far as I can see, something favorable (and not yet in the draft) about Groeneboom's early work on Sanov's Theorem, which Groeneboom also addresses in the Statistical Science interview with him which is already cited in the draft. Once more, thank you for any effort, in content, language, or form, that you may want to spend on this. The same goes for other conscientious editors, should they join in.--CRau080 (talk) 15:17, 19 January 2023 (UTC)
 * Good stuff @CRau080, I've founded a couple of extra sources too. I put some of the material about Lucia de Berk up in the introduction, which absolutely deserve to be there. (What a moment! That poor woman - imprisoned because the court didn't understand probability!) MatthewDalhousie (talk) 05:28, 23 January 2023 (UTC)
 * The article has now been improved significantly, lots more reliable sources, and the number of citations authored by the subject is now 5 of 18. Shouldn't we try to publish @CRau080 and @Gill110951? MatthewDalhousie (talk) 05:50, 21 April 2023 (UTC)
 * Thank you for your message, I re-submitted the draft already before the changes, including one you kindly made, were completed, on 14 January (which can be seen in the bottom line of the draft; sorry for this hint if you already knew this). I do not know at present how to hasten the review process, but I hope that we will have a decision soon.--CRau080 (talk) 06:05, 21 April 2023 (UTC)
 * I shall watch and wait. MatthewDalhousie (talk) 02:26, 24 April 2023 (UTC)

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That section delete you did yesterday on 2022 Russian invasion article does not seem to work, because it appears to want to alter the TOC level 3 to TOC level 4 transitions in the sections which you edited. The section you deleted served as a transition section at TOC 3 to introduce the the two TOC 4 sections which follow it. Could I suggest keeping that section which I'll restore now with an 'undo', and you can shorten that section, even by half, if you would like to reduce ambiguity. Let me know if you have an alternate solution to preserve TOC integrity in that section of the article. ErnestKrause (talk) 18:18, 10 March 2023 (UTC)


 * Thank you for your explanation of this technical matter. I am sorry that I had not understood this unintended consequence of my deletion. This being only a short paragraph, I am happy for it to stand, even as a duplication of material further up, as is, as this should be tolerable to most readers.--CRau080 (talk) 20:24, 10 March 2023 (UTC)

Input sought on list article
Recently, I started a discussion on the talk page for the article, List of Hong Kong national security cases. As no other editor has commented as yet, I'd like to draw attention to that discussion with this post. Any constructive thoughts are of course welcome and no deeper knowledge on the subject area of Hong Kong is required in my view. I wish to add that while much of the data presentation in said article is not in summary form, a substantial part is (the "Other publication/online post-related" category and the pie diagram, for example), and this motivated me to raise the matter.--CRau080 (talk) 15:42, 17 March 2023 (UTC)
 * I have deleted the pie and bar charts.--CRau080 (talk) 00:20, 24 March 2023 (UTC)

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Hi CRao080,, the article about me is currently being edited many times because of my public support of a re-trial of the UK nurse Lucy Letby. About 50% of the UK public "knows" she is a serial killer of defenceless babies, the other 50% is rather concerned that her trial does not appear to have been very fair. The second half are painted as nutty conspiracy theorists. There is a Wikipedia page on Lucy Letby which largely reflects the prosecution view since that is the view which has been largely broadcast by the UK main stream media. Saying that you think she is innocent, or that you think her trial was unfair and a retrial is needed, arouses intense aggression. Maybe you are interested to take a look. I think both the articles need to be looked at by people from outside the UK who are perhaps less emotionally involved in the case. Richard Gill (talk) 05:40, 25 September 2023 (UTC)
 * Hi @Richard Gill, thank you for your message as per WP:APPNOTE. I saw the recent flurry of editing on both Wikipedia pages you mention, and believe that I have, even as a non-UK resident (which I agree with you may have some advantages), at least a basic appreciation of both the weight of the Lucy Letby case also beyond what is currently found in reliable sources, as well as of some of the main Wikipedia-related difficulties which include your own involvement in the case in a prominent position (at least among the doubters regarding the sentencing). The latter issue appears to me to have prompted some of the recent edits to the Wikipedia page about yourself, some of which – possibly future ones – may need to be scrutinized from this particular point of view, while being mindful of WP:ASPERSIONS. I intend to keep an eye on both articles and make edits where I see fit, taking into account the discussion on the relevant talk pages taking place on this or that particular point; I believe it is understandable that, while I trust Wikipedia to be a fundamentally supportive place, I need to look out for my own needs when there is a possibility that my editing may cause myself to be subject to heavy, and perhaps disproportionate, criticism; heavy or especially heated discussion of a particular point may be a subjective predictor of this possibility.--CRau080 (talk) 07:44, 25 September 2023 (UTC)
 * Thanks, yes, I understand! This area is a mine-field. Emotions are running incredibly high. Richard Gill (talk) 07:56, 25 September 2023 (UTC)

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Thank you for repairing all those citation errors on the Javier Milei page. I noticed the copious errors earlier today, and I was dreading having to fix them myself, and just as I said to myself, "Go on, sit down and do it, who else is going to if not you?" I saw that someone else had already done it!

Cheers! You get some copyediting kudos from me.

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 * Thank you for your kind words regarding my cite repairs. I had been rather surprised that these things could stay for any amount of time on a page which I (correctly) expected to get many views; and that bots, if existent for this kind of problem, hadn't already taken care of this. During editing I was thinking a bit about how this would be received, and your message is a true encouragement and validation of what I did, so thank you again. And I am glad that I saved you the effort of fixing!--CRau080 (talk) 09:48, 21 November 2023 (UTC)

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With reference to the article Starving for honesty climate hunger strike, Berlin, Germany. Thanks for looking over my shoulder. Some of that material came in via translation of the German equivalent and deserved more copy-editing. Other material needing work was due to debatable editorial decisions by me. As always, an iterative process. With best wishes, RobbieIanMorrison (talk) 07:50, 30 May 2024 (UTC)


 * Thank you for your message. I have just noted the provenance of some material from the equivalent page in German, although you clearly put lots of other efforts into this. I hope that my editorial decisions were an improvement and of course they, as future ones, are subject to further revision including possibly by yourself. The article is informative and I hope to be able do some more work on it in the future. Best wishes,--CRau080 (talk) 08:20, 30 May 2024 (UTC)
 * You might find this recent Pressenza Berlin publication of use: I reworked the table of strikers on the article talk page (the one with orange duration values) and they now align with Pressenza except my values are conservatively one day less.  But nice to have a list of strikers and durations nonetheless for the main article.  Best RobbieIanMorrison (talk) 10:43, 21 June 2024 (UTC)
 * Your edits toward the end of June look really good. I went through the revision log carefully.  Thanks for leaving very clear commit messages.  I just made a couple of style tweaks to the article too.  Best, RobbieIanMorrison (talk) 10:17, 6 July 2024 (UTC)
 * Thank you for your messages. I am glad to hear that you found my edits valuable. I have just made another few edits to replace references to an Instagram post by ones to a non-social media (though still primary) source. I decided to not use the Pressenza Berlin publication you mentioned as, while informative, it seems to be too strongly pro-protesters slanted and also, the portal as such seems not very widely referenced. Best wishes,--CRau080 (talk) 10:47, 7 July 2024 (UTC)
 * All good! I will finish processing the photographs I took of these events in around two weeks time and will progressively upload the final images to Wikimedia.  Just for the record, I know or knew none of the strikers or organizers prior, but my wife had interacted with one of the strikers, Richard Cluse, about three years ago regarding rapid decarbonization.  I guess the camp has gone?  Their website has been abandoned in any case.  Kia ora, RobbieIanMorrison (talk) 17:03, 7 July 2024 (UTC)