User talk:CTF83!/Archive 6

Apologies
I had in no way intended to revert your reversion of vandalism on the FIFA Rankings page, still less to edscribe it as vandalism. I thought I had reverted the vandal who put advanced Serbia in the rankings. Sorry. Kevin McE (talk) 17:36, 2 July 2010 (UTC)
 * No problem at all, I've accidentally clicked the wrong button and reverted the wrong person before too. C T J F 8 3 chat 17:42, 2 July 2010 (UTC)

What are you up to
Hey CTJ got any articals of FG or Simpsons your working on, any ideas.--Pedro J. the rookie 14:26, 5 July 2010 (UTC)
 * Well I want to continue on with this, although it doesn't seem many of the main project members want to. You can help me with that, or, if you prefer, we can do some Family Guy episodes :) C T J F 8 3 chat 17:38, 5 July 2010 (UTC)
 * If there's any way you could help out with Meet the Quagmires, Boys Do Cry and No Meals on Wheels, we could get the season to GT status if you're interested. Gage (talk) 05:58, 7 July 2010 (UTC)
 * Sure! I'll get to it first thing when I wake up in the morning early afternoon. <font color="#ff0000">C <font color="#ff6600">T <font color="#ffff00">J <font color="#009900">F <font color="#0000ff">8 <font color="#6600cc">3 chat 06:06, 7 July 2010 (UTC)

AfC
I declined two AfC submissions is this all I need to do? 1 and 2. <font face="Kristen ITC"><font color="#ff0000">C <font color="#ff6600">T <font color="#ffff00">J <font color="#009900">F <font color="#0000ff">8 <font color="#6600cc">3 chat 04:49, 6 July 2010 (UTC)


 * No – you should also inform the submitter that their article has been reviewed. Place  Article Name  on their talk page. <span style="font-family: sansation, sans-serif;"> AJ  Cham  05:48, 6 July 2010 (UTC)
 * BTW, I recommend using Tim_Song's afchelper script in future – makes the process so much easier. <span style="font-family: sansation, sans-serif;"> AJ Cham  05:52, 6 July 2010 (UTC)
 * Ok, thank you much! <font face="Kristen ITC"><font color="#ff0000">C <font color="#ff6600">T <font color="#ffff00">J <font color="#009900">F <font color="#0000ff">8 <font color="#6600cc">3 chat 18:06, 6 July 2010 (UTC)

DYK tool
Not really, since it's just a matter of posting a comment. Daniel Case (talk) 18:51, 11 July 2010 (UTC)

DYK for J.H.C. Petersen's Sons' Store
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Guv'mint Bridge
Please see the comment & image I left on the talk page for Government Bridge. --Kbh3rd talk 00:03, 5 November 2010 (UTC)


 * See this video on YouTube. :-D --Kbh3rd talk 03:30, 9 November 2010 (UTC)
 * Very nice! Is that your work?? <font face="Kristen ITC"><font color="#ff0000">C <font color="#ff6600">T <font color="#ffff00">J <font color="#009900">F <font color="#0000ff">8 <font color="#6600cc">3 chat 01:57, 10 November 2010 (UTC)
 * Yup. Not the audio, though.  That's from someone at ccMixter, per the credits.  It's just a happy coincidence how it matches the action so well, and that's what really makes the video. --Kbh3rd talk  04:14, 10 November 2010 (UTC)
 * Nice work!...perhaps you should upload it here? It shows more thoroughly how the bridge works? Otherwise the current one is good too. <font face="Kristen ITC"><font color="#ff0000">C <font color="#ff6600">T <font color="#ffff00">J <font color="#009900">F <font color="#0000ff">8 <font color="#6600cc">3 chat 04:15, 10 November 2010 (UTC)

Family Guy edit request
Migrated everything I can see from the critcism section of Family Guy to Criticism of Family Guy. I deliberately avoided moving over one line that sourced a dead link, and rephrased another so that it wasn't necessary to cite a personal blog as we discussed. Everything else should be duplicated in both places. Are we squared away to complete the edit request (condense the criticism & controversy section to this draft)? Thanks again for the help and pointers. 96.228.129.185 (talk) 06:37, 7 November 2010 (UTC)
 * Good work, although I am of the belief that the entire Parents Television Council section is worthless. It's all well sourced, but I can see no evidence that anyone cares about what they are saying. Fox certainly doesn't, as they are still broadcasting it, and the content and format hasn't changed. Does 60% of the page have to be devoted to a non-notable letter writing campaign? Sven Manguard  <sub style="text-shadow:#ffd700 0.14em 0.14em 0.14em"><b style="color:black;">Talk</b>  08:20, 7 November 2010 (UTC)
 * Ya, what Sven said....I still think it needs a slight expansion. <font face="Kristen ITC"><font color="#ff0000">C <font color="#ff6600">T <font color="#ffff00">J <font color="#009900">F <font color="#0000ff">8 <font color="#6600cc">3 chat 17:53, 7 November 2010 (UTC)
 * Also, a few of those references at the bottom are whole paragraphs. That can't be right, can it? Sven Manguard  <sub style="text-shadow:#ffd700 0.14em 0.14em 0.14em"><b style="color:black;">Talk</b>  19:15, 7 November 2010 (UTC)
 * The IP wants it shortened to this draft <font face="Kristen ITC"><font color="#ff0000">C <font color="#ff6600">T <font color="#ffff00">J <font color="#009900">F <font color="#0000ff">8 <font color="#6600cc">3 chat 19:17, 7 November 2010 (UTC)
 * I could see that as working. Some of the sources are redundant, and can be cited once and linked twice. Refs 2 and 6, and refs 3 and 7, for example, are the same exact document. Also ref 15 is broken. I still think PTV gets too much coverage, but this is much more reasonable in size. Still I see them criticizing it as a show for "2-17" year olds and have to laugh at the group's stupidity. First of all, that range itself is deliberately inaccurate for the purpose of being inflammatory. No show caters to that type of range. Second, the target audience of Family Guy is College students, i.e. the 18-23 group. It's too bad that we can't point these things out, as there isn't a counter-criticism section. Sven Manguard  <sub style="text-shadow:#ffd700 0.14em 0.14em 0.14em"><b style="color:black;">Talk</b>  19:45, 7 November 2010 (UTC)
 * We could always add one :)...ya, what show, ever would a 2 and 17 yr old like? None. <font face="Kristen ITC"><font color="#ff0000">C <font color="#ff6600">T <font color="#ffff00">J <font color="#009900">F <font color="#0000ff">8 <font color="#6600cc">3 chat 21:57, 7 November 2010 (UTC)
 * How about "Everyone loves Hypnotoad" (I pray you get the reference) Sven Manguard  <sub style="text-shadow:#ffd700 0.14em 0.14em 0.14em"><b style="color:black;">Talk</b>  23:04, 7 November 2010 (UTC)
 * Oh ya! I love Futurama!!....do you think the draft in my user page is ready for main page from the IP, or need more expansion? <font face="Kristen ITC"><font color="#ff0000">C <font color="#ff6600">T <font color="#ffff00">J <font color="#009900">F <font color="#0000ff">8 <font color="#6600cc">3 chat 23:58, 7 November 2010 (UTC)

Well, I would fix the sources first, and if there is going to be a counter-complaint section, I'd add it first, but I'm not going to bother with the counter-complaint, so really all that needs fixing is the duplicate sources and the broken source 15. Sven Manguard <sub style="text-shadow:#ffd700 0.14em 0.14em 0.14em"><b style="color:black;">Talk</b>  00:47, 8 November 2010 (UTC)
 * Ok <font face="Kristen ITC"><font color="#ff0000">C <font color="#ff6600">T <font color="#ffff00">J <font color="#009900">F <font color="#0000ff">8 <font color="#6600cc">3 chat 02:17, 8 November 2010 (UTC)
 * I'm a little unclear, are we talking about revisions to the criticism section of Family Guy, or revisions to Criticism of Family Guy? If the former it should stay as short as possible and people can go to the latter for more detailed discussion. If we're talking about revising the latter, it should go on that article's talk page and get consensus from editors there. Also, agreed about the PTC information being unnecessary...at the very least, it should be trimmed down to portions which can be attributed to third-party sources. However, if we're going to remove that from Criticism of Family Guy, can we at least remove Bristol Palin's comments on Facebook first since they are clearly even less notable? 96.228.129.185 (talk) 18:58, 8 November 2010 (UTC)
 * Ya, definitely remove the Facebook thing. Can you fix the reference issues Sven said above, before I trim the main article section, I'd do it, but have a sinus headache and am going to bed (not sure why I even logged on), if not I'll fix them after work on Tuesday. <font face="Kristen ITC"><font color="#ff0000">C <font color="#ff6600">T <font color="#ffff00">J <font color="#009900">F <font color="#0000ff">8 <font color="#6600cc">3 chat 03:11, 9 November 2010 (UTC)
 * No problem. Whoever wrote the citations had a fetish for long quotations within the references, that's why they appear separately. Hope you feel better! 96.228.129.185 (talk) 04:05, 9 November 2010 (UTC)
 * And done. That broken ref will fix itself when inserted back into the article. Sven made some good points about the Parents Television Council having questionable notability, so I trimmed it a bit so it wasn't necessary to mention them by name. If readers want to learn more about the critics in detail, they can click the link. 96.228.129.185 (talk) 04:25, 9 November 2010 (UTC)
 * ✅ Thanks for the work <font face="Kristen ITC"><font color="#ff0000">C <font color="#ff6600">T <font color="#ffff00">J <font color="#009900">F <font color="#0000ff">8 <font color="#6600cc">3 chat 01:54, 10 November 2010 (UTC)
 * No, thank you for your assistance with my edit request. Would it be possible to remove the "criticism by other cartoonists" section as well? I had meant to include that part in my edit request, but I wasn't specific enough. I made sure the substance of that section is also duplicated in the criticism detail article. If you think that's too much text to remove at once, I'll certainly defer to your opinion on that. Also, it was reverted - I've notified the user that made the revert but could you please revert the revert? 96.228.129.74 (talk) 07:10, 10 November 2010 (UTC) (Sorry my IP renewed, I'm 96.228.129.185)
 * Another user beat me to the punch on a revert...I just removed the header separating the two sections, I'd prefer you shorten it down, instead of just straight out delete it. I moved it to User:Ctjf83/FG for a shorten <font face="Kristen ITC"><font color="#ff0000">C <font color="#ff6600">T <font color="#ffff00">J <font color="#009900">F <font color="#0000ff">8 <font color="#6600cc">3 chat 23:12, 10 November 2010 (UTC)
 * Ok, good call on removing the header. Right now the section makes a general statement (cartoonists have criticized), then goes on to give three supporting examples, followed by a statement about Groening not having a "serious" feud. I condensed the first two examples so they are only named and cited, but the last one simply links to several Simpsons episodes claiming that they criticized Family Guy without giving any third-party citation. (Is this original research? If not, how do we know that the mention of FG in those episodes was meant as genuine criticism as opposed to good-natured teasing? I'm not saying it's one or the other, but there needs to be an outside reliable reference to interpret it.) With that gone, I felt the last sentence had no place in the remaining paragraph. Long story short, I took it down to one sentence and I hope that's not too much of a reduction. 96.228.129.74 (talk) 06:27, 11 November 2010 (UTC)
 * ✅ :) <font face="Kristen ITC"><font color="#ff0000">C <font color="#ff6600">T <font color="#ffff00">J <font color="#009900">F <font color="#0000ff">8 <font color="#6600cc">3 chat 18:01, 11 November 2010 (UTC)

Re: South Park
Sorry, I'm not sure I understand what you mean. Maybe you had this conversation with someone else? Or if you can give me some more specifics maybe I will remember? —  Hun ter   Ka  hn  22:04, 7 November 2010 (UTC)
 * I'm pretty sure that was probably, as he is trying to work right now to bring South Park (season 1) to FA status. I did some work on the S1 page (and a lot of my work from other episode articles was moved there), but he's the main guy working to improve it right now. Hope this helps! —  Hun ter   Ka  hn  22:21, 7 November 2010 (UTC)
 * No prob! —  Hun ter   Ka  hn  22:30, 7 November 2010 (UTC)

Hello there! Supposedly Blame Canada has, in the first pages (6-8), the ratings for the first season episodes. The season article lists all the ratings (from there) for all episodes but #2, #4, #5, #11 and #13. Could you copy the remaining numbers from there? I want to add a ratings column to the table on the bottom. Nergaal (talk) 01:24, 21 October 2010 (UTC)
 * Thanks a lot. I don't have a good idea of something else to add. Perhaps it would be nice to add some sort of general (re)view/opinion on the season's notability or impact; essentially a sentence or two in the reception section if there is something standing out to be worth adding. Take care. Nergaal (talk) 03:23, 9 November 2010 (UTC)

Articles for deletion/Indie punk (music)
I am puzzled as to how the result of the discussion, which only lasted a day and in which two editors argued for deletion, was "redirect to indie punk", since no one in the discussion argued for that. There was a substantive point here about an necessary fork and the lack of a need for an article that distinguishes something that does not need distinguishing. A simple solution may have been to make this a redirect, but I do not believe it was the right solution, or I would have just done that myself. This kind of solution means we preserve pointless articles that Wikipedia does not need and I thought that was not the policy. I can probably guess your rationale, but would you consider reopening the debate, contributing to it or considering a different outcome? Thanks--''' SabreBD  (talk ) 11:55, 10 November 2010 (UTC)


 * Well there is really no reason not to have a redirect, I hate essays, but WP:CHEAP. Plus WP:ATD alternatives to bringing an article to AfD is to just redirect it. But if you really want me to reopen it, I will, I just don't see a point in deleting, when it can be an obvious redirect. <font face="Kristen ITC"><font color="#ff0000">C <font color="#ff6600">T <font color="#ffff00">J <font color="#009900">F <font color="#0000ff">8 <font color="#6600cc">3 chat 23:08, 10 November 2010 (UTC)


 * Ok thanks for this. I will perhaps see what the other editor who contributed things before deciding.--''' SabreBD  (talk ) 00:46, 11 November 2010 (UTC)

My take on it is that it was a weird close not in keeping with the consensus in the discussion, and that the redirect isn't useful because it has a disambiguator on it, but the difference between this result and anything else that might have happened is so small, and the redirect so WP:CHEAP, that I can't be arsed to care. &mdash;chaos5023 (talk) 01:03, 11 November 2010 (UTC)


 * Ok, thanks for replying Chaos. I pretty much go along with that. There are better things to do with our time, so lets consider the matter over and we can keep an eye on the article being given content and the re-creation of the fork problem. Thanks to all.--''' SabreBD  (talk ) 01:11, 11 November 2010 (UTC)
 * Ok, and I'll be more patient in closing future AfDs <font face="Kristen ITC"><font color="#ff0000">C <font color="#ff6600">T <font color="#ffff00">J <font color="#009900">F <font color="#0000ff">8 <font color="#6600cc">3 chat 04:54, 11 November 2010 (UTC)

Boyfriend
Changed to floating images, just a bit smaller, so they don't invade the next section. Let me know if you like it. Not sure about collapsing the template, since it's used for navigational purposes and was trying to find out if any other article editors had the same idea. No such luck. Let me know what you think. Regards, --John KB (talk) 19:58, 11 November 2010 (UTC)
 * Not sure if this is what you wanted, is this it? --John KB (talk) 20:10, 11 November 2010 (UTC)
 * lol... I know... moved it a bit lower in the same section, so they're not that close. Looks similar to the prior version. --John KB (talk) 20:10, 11 November 2010 (UTC)
 * Leave it the way you prefer. It's ok. --John KB (talk) 20:13, 11 November 2010 (UTC)

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 * text = On July 16, 2010, Did you know? was updated with a fact from the article J.H.C. Petersen's Sons' Store, which you created or substantially expanded. You are welcome to check how many hits the article got while on the front page (here's how, quick check ) and add it to DYKSTATS if it got over 5,000. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the Did you know? talk page.

Mediation
The mediator assigned to our case informs me you're not willing to go forward. Is that the case, and, if so, what do you see as the disposition of our disagreement? WCityMike 19:57, 16 July 2010 (UTC)
 * I see you responded to the message below, but not to this. While I don't mean to nag, you did agree to mediation, and that agreement means something.  It at the very least means that you agreed to not leave me and the mediator hanging for such long periods of time in-between your responses.  Please answer the question at your next convenience and let us know if you are formally conceding the point and dropping out of mediation, or if you're going to continue.  Thanks. WCityMike 15:10, 17 July 2010 (UTC)
 * Opps, sorry, didn't even see this one, I'll respond on the mediation page. <font face="Kristen ITC"><font color="#ff0000">C <font color="#ff6600">T <font color="#ffff00">J <font color="#009900">F <font color="#0000ff">8 <font color="#6600cc">3 chat 16:11, 17 July 2010 (UTC)

Your Love is My Drug
Are you happy to pass the article? I'm satsified that it meets all that was asked of it and the user has added end date of Pop Songs. --Lil-unique1 (talk) 01:18, 17 July 2010 (UTC)
 * Yes, it is good to go. <font face="Kristen ITC"><font color="#ff0000">C <font color="#ff6600">T <font color="#ffff00">J <font color="#009900">F <font color="#0000ff">8 <font color="#6600cc">3 chat 02:28, 17 July 2010 (UTC)

Hi
Hello there, I noticed that by distorting my language to make it appear as if I was actually including OR, you clearly incurred in bias and violated the NPOV policy. Just because you don't wish certain content included in Wikipedia doesn't mean it doesn't exist and that it is not encyclopedic (the TV show is my sole source). I should bring my case to an administrator, but I'll let your Authoritarianism be for the time. I hope you become more open minded soon. 200.5.65.136 (talk) 22:55, 26 July 2010 (UTC)
 * Bring it to an admin, or post it at WT:DOH, I've been around for years, and know what I'm talking about. <font face="Kristen ITC"><font color="#ff0000">C <font color="#ff6600">T <font color="#ffff00">J <font color="#009900">F <font color="#0000ff">8 <font color="#6600cc">3 chat 03:42, 27 July 2010 (UTC)

Quick WP:FG thing
I noticed you nominated Brian: Portrait of a Dog for GA, in the future, could you add it to the At GAN list on WP:FG? As you know, the article alerts no longer work, and I'd like to keep some sense of order with GA, FA, FL, etc. nominations, so it can be better kept under conrol. Thanks for tidying up and nominating the article though. Gage (talk) 05:57, 29 July 2010 (UTC)
 * Sure thing, I can do that...Pedro and I, (and hopefully you since you have a few GAs already) are gonna work on getting season 1 up to GT status. <font face="Kristen ITC"><font color="#ff0000">C <font color="#ff6600">T <font color="#ffff00">J <font color="#009900">F <font color="#0000ff">8 <font color="#6600cc">3 chat 06:01, 29 July 2010 (UTC)

Album Artwork uploads
I have a question... how can I get the album artwork up for an article I made? The article is now relevant as the band has released concrete release date, track listings, and artwork but I can't upload the artwork they posted to their website because of issues with Wikipedia conduct. Any help as to how I can post this sort of image for use would be appreciated. Volbeatfan (talk) 05:35, 29 July 2010 (UTC)
 * I'm not very good with the WP:NFCCrules, but you should be able to upload an album cover as long as you give the reasons as to why it is needed. Here are 3 to use as a reference 1, 2, 3. It actually looks like they all have the exact same reasoning, and rationale. If you want me to upload it for you, please provide a link, otherwise I can answer more questions for you. <font face="Kristen ITC"><font color="#ff0000">C <font color="#ff6600">T <font color="#ffff00">J <font color="#009900">F <font color="#0000ff">8 <font color="#6600cc">3 chat 05:51, 29 July 2010 (UTC)
 * Oh, and upload it here, not on Commons. <font face="Kristen ITC"><font color="#ff0000">C <font color="#ff6600">T <font color="#ffff00">J <font color="#009900">F <font color="#0000ff">8 <font color="#6600cc">3 chat 05:53, 29 July 2010 (UTC)
 * While I won't nominate it again for deletion....you have too many sources to the band's website, which presents WP:COI and WP:SPS issues. So someone could easily nominate it again...try some of these <font face="Kristen ITC"><font color="#ff0000">C <font color="#ff6600">T <font color="#ffff00">J <font color="#009900">F <font color="#0000ff">8 <font color="#6600cc">3 chat 06:01, 29 July 2010 (UTC)
 * Ok, thanks.. I fixed the references, let me know how it looks now. As for the uploads, I will try what you have said.  --Volbeatfan (talk) 03:47, 30 July 2010 (UTC)
 * Looks good! <font face="Kristen ITC"><font color="#ff0000">C <font color="#ff6600">T <font color="#ffff00">J <font color="#009900">F <font color="#0000ff">8 <font color="#6600cc">3 chat 17:09, 30 July 2010 (UTC)

Nominating an Article
I need to nominate the Volbeat article to be "graded". I just feel clueless as to how I do this. I did a lot of work and I need someone to look at it and see how "worthy" the article is now lol. Thanks, Volbeatfan (talk) 05:35, 31 July 2010 (UTC)
 * I've never heard of a grading process, per say...per WP:QUALITY, I'd say it is probably B Class, it isn't missing anything major. As far as I know, and I've done, you can change the class yourself (obviously not to GA/FA) on the article talk page. The main issue is sourcing. Not only a lack of sources, but also poor sources. Answers.com is definitely not a reliable source, and should be removed immediately. Also any source to the bands website wouldn't cut it if you are trying to get it to GA. I have no experience with band articles, but on a rough read through, I would expand Volbeat, first by changing it to "Members", and adding a bit to each member, like saying how/why they joined the band, and maybe brief info on the members, nothing elaborate. The award section should be in paragraph form, The_Beatles, for example. As an over all example, The_Beatles is a great source/example of a general guideline for the article, since it is an WP:FA. You might have been referring to WP:PR, that is used for input on how to get the article up to GA/FA status, but I'd start with my recommendations first. Feel free to ask me if you need more help, I can help you get it up to GA, I won't really edit/research it, but I can be a guideline for you. <font face="Kristen ITC"><font color="#ff0000">C <font color="#ff6600">T <font color="#ffff00">J <font color="#009900">F <font color="#0000ff">8 <font color="#6600cc">3 chat 07:10, 31 July 2010 (UTC)
 * Thanks, I will look into it. Thanks for the advice. -Volbeatfan (talk) 15:01, 31 July 2010 (UTC)
 * Sure, any time! <font face="Kristen ITC"><font color="#ff0000">C <font color="#ff6600">T <font color="#ffff00">J <font color="#009900">F <font color="#0000ff">8 <font color="#6600cc">3 chat 16:56, 31 July 2010 (UTC)

do you?
hey do you have the dvd of the first seaso of FG. --<font color="Orange">Pedro J. the rookie 19:08, 21 July 2010 (UTC)
 * Yes, I have all 8 DVDs, what do you need from it? <font face="Kristen ITC"><font color="#ff0000">C <font color="#ff6600">T <font color="#ffff00">J <font color="#009900">F <font color="#0000ff">8 <font color="#6600cc">3 chat 19:13, 21 July 2010 (UTC)


 * i am trying to work on the 1 season episodes and get them to ga status and then get GT so if you cpould help me with it. --<font color="Orange">Pedro J. <spa--<font color="Orange">Pedro J.  the rookie |undefined 20:17, 31 July 2010 (UTC)n style="color: #000080">the rookie  11:10, 22 July 2010 (UTC)
 * Sure, any specific one you want me to start with? <font face="Kristen ITC"><font color="#ff0000">C <font color="#ff6600">T <font color="#ffff00">J <font color="#009900">F <font color="#0000ff">8 <font color="#6600cc">3 chat 16:22, 22 July 2010 (UTC)


 * Brian´s episode his my favorite character. --<font color="Orange">Pedro J. the rookie 17:05, 22 July 2010 (UTC)
 * OK, sounds good. <font face="Kristen ITC"><font color="#ff0000">C <font color="#ff6600">T <font color="#ffff00">J <font color="#009900">F <font color="#0000ff">8 <font color="#6600cc">3 chat 17:16, 22 July 2010 (UTC)


 * I worked in the episodes production as i could. --<font color="Orange">Pedro J. the rookie 14:03, 24 July 2010 (UTC)
 * I'll work on it (hopefully) on Sunday, I had no electricity yesterday. <font face="Kristen ITC"><font color="#ff0000">C <font color="#ff6600">T <font color="#ffff00">J <font color="#009900">F <font color="#0000ff">8 <font color="#6600cc">3 chat 03:05, 25 July 2010 (UTC)


 * Ok buddy, we are real close to the GAN, I'm just gonna look to see if I can find more receptions and Nielsen ratings (after I wake up), and then we can go ahead and nominate it. There is no DVD commentary for the episode, so the production is probably close to as good as it can get. <font face="Kristen ITC"><font color="#ff0000">C <font color="#ff6600">T <font color="#ffff00">J <font color="#009900">F <font color="#0000ff">8 <font color="#6600cc">3 chat 04:26, 27 July 2010 (UTC)
 * Alright, I nominated it, with both our names. <font face="Kristen ITC"><font color="#ff0000">C <font color="#ff6600">T <font color="#ffff00">J <font color="#009900">F <font color="#0000ff">8 <font color="#6600cc">3 chat 19:46, 27 July 2010 (UTC)
 * Alright sorry i was gone was on vacation but i am back. --<font color="Orange">Pedro J. the rookie 20:17, 31 July 2010 (UTC)
 * Hope you had a good time! :) <font face="Kristen ITC"><font color="#ff0000">C <font color="#ff6600">T <font color="#ffff00">J <font color="#009900">F <font color="#0000ff">8 <font color="#6600cc">3 chat 17:04, 1 August 2010 (UTC)
 * Yeah, well i have been working on the production sections of the 1 season episodes. --<font color="Orange">Pedro J. the rookie 18:38, 1 August 2010 (UTC)
 * Ok, which one do you want me to help you with next? <font face="Kristen ITC"><font color="#ff0000">C <font color="#ff6600">T <font color="#ffff00">J <font color="#009900">F <font color="#0000ff">8 <font color="#6600cc">3 chat 19:40, 1 August 2010 (UTC)
 * Its your pick. --<font color="Orange">Pedro J. the rookie 21:31, 1 August 2010 (UTC)

Mind Over Murder <font face="Kristen ITC"><font color="#ff0000">C <font color="#ff6600">T <font color="#ffff00">J <font color="#009900">F <font color="#0000ff">8 <font color="#6600cc">3 chat 01:31, 2 August 2010 (UTC)
 * Alright. --<font color="Orange">Pedro J. the rookie 05:55, 2 August 2010 (UTC)

Cali same sex marriage:
Here's the LA times article which says the judge said the state could start issuing marriage licenses again and that "prohibiting the official defendants from applying or enforcing Proposition 8". Do you mind if I overturn your revert to Same-sex marriage in the United States
 * I appreciate you discussing it with me before you just reverted. This edit the user says it was stayed, so let me bring him in on this for a source. <font face="Kristen ITC"><font color="#ff0000">C <font color="#ff6600">T <font color="#ffff00">J <font color="#009900">F <font color="#0000ff">8 <font color="#6600cc">3 chat 21:41, 4 August 2010 (UTC)
 * he stayed his own ruling, which doesn't surprise me. <font face="Kristen ITC"><font color="#ff0000">C <font color="#ff6600">T <font color="#ffff00">J <font color="#009900">F <font color="#0000ff">8 <font color="#6600cc">3 chat 21:47, 4 August 2010 (UTC)
 * Yup, looks like another year of legal appeals. Oh, and sorry for not signing my earlier postDkriegls (talk) 22:09, 4 August 2010 (UTC)
 * Yes it does...and no prob about the not signing. :) <font face="Kristen ITC"><font color="#ff0000">C <font color="#ff6600">T <font color="#ffff00">J <font color="#009900">F <font color="#0000ff">8 <font color="#6600cc">3 chat 22:10, 4 August 2010 (UTC)
 * Looks like next Tuesday or so we should get a ruling on the stay. The judge is asking for arguments by Friday and then he will decide if it stays until the appeal. So, maybe next week we could include Cali. Dkriegls (talk) 04:50, 5 August 2010 (UTC)
 * I sure hope so!! :) <font face="Kristen ITC"><font color="#ff0000">C <font color="#ff6600">T <font color="#ffff00">J <font color="#009900">F <font color="#0000ff">8 <font color="#6600cc">3 chat 06:55, 5 August 2010 (UTC)

Love Blactually
Could you check the actual episode credits for Love Blactually (via the DVD credits) to see if their were only those two guest stars on that episode? It seems a little strange, and I just want to be completely sure. And it's at GAN, so if you could do take a look sometime today, that would be really helpful. Gage (talk) 12:23, 5 August 2010 (UTC)
 * Meredith Baxter isn't in the credits, but she is listed as a guest star.
 * Not sure which of these you consider a guest star, but the listed ones are:
 * Alexandra Brekenrdige
 * Kirken Butler
 * Tom Devanney
 * Kat Foster
 * Ralph Garman
 * Chris Sheridan
 * Danny Smith
 * Alec Sulkin
 * John Viener
 * Patrick Warburton
 * <font face="Kristen ITC"><font color="#ff0000">C <font color="#ff6600">T <font color="#ffff00">J <font color="#009900">F <font color="#0000ff">8 <font color="#6600cc">3 chat 18:38, 5 August 2010 (UTC)
 * Oh, I guess there weren't any more. Gage (talk) 03:06, 7 August 2010 (UTC)
 * Are all those actual guest stars then? <font face="Kristen ITC"><font color="#ff0000">C <font color="#ff6600">T <font color="#ffff00">J <font color="#009900">F <font color="#0000ff">8 <font color="#6600cc">3 chat 03:08, 7 August 2010 (UTC)
 * Those are just the recurring writers, in most cases, who double as voice actors. Gage (talk) 03:16, 7 August 2010 (UTC)
 * Ok, gotcha. <font face="Kristen ITC"><font color="#ff0000">C <font color="#ff6600">T <font color="#ffff00">J <font color="#009900">F <font color="#0000ff">8 <font color="#6600cc">3 chat 03:17, 7 August 2010 (UTC)
 * Conect ctj. --<font color="Orange">Pedro J. the rookie 19:44, 5 August 2010 (UTC)
 * In Pedro <font face="Kristen ITC"><font color="#ff0000">C <font color="#ff6600">T <font color="#ffff00">J <font color="#009900">F <font color="#0000ff">8 <font color="#6600cc">3 chat 19:47, 5 August 2010 (UTC)
 * Again. --<font color="Orange">Pedro J. the rookie 20:22, 5 August 2010 (UTC)

Proposition Infinity
D'oh! Thanks for catching that. I've since added it. Thanks for doing the review!Luminum (talk) 18:30, 9 August 2010 (UTC)
 * Thanks! I'll be sure to let the project know.  i believe we have some episodes we may be ready to whip into shape.  :DLuminum (talk) 18:35, 9 August 2010 (UTC)

WikiProject Futurama membership
Hello Ctjf83. I noticed that you passed Proposition Infinity for GAN. Being the person bringing WikiProject Futurama to active status again, that makes me happy. Anyhow, I am here to ask you if you'd be interested in being a member. If you do, you can sign up on the participants list. GamerPro64 (talk) 17:58, 10 August 2010 (UTC)
 * Sure, why not, thanks for the invite! <font face="Kristen ITC"><font color="#ff0000">C <font color="#ff6600">T <font color="#ffff00">J <font color="#009900">F <font color="#0000ff">8 <font color="#6600cc">3 chat 18:16, 10 August 2010 (UTC)

List of characters from Family Guy
Why do you insist on the misspelled name rather than the common form? Seamus is Irish Gaelic for James, surely you know that... Hearfourmewesique (talk) 14:56, 12 August 2010 (UTC)
 * Uh...no, I dunno, I always thought it was spelled Shamus, and I always thought Seamus was vandalism for semen. <font face="Kristen ITC"><font color="#ff0000">C <font color="#ff6600">T <font color="#ffff00">J <font color="#009900">F <font color="#0000ff">8 <font color="#6600cc">3 chat 16:20, 12 August 2010 (UTC)
 * A bit far-fetched... Freudian perhaps? [[Image:Smile.svg]] Anyway, I explained that in my edit summary the first time I changed the spelling. Hearfourmewesique (talk) 17:49, 12 August 2010 (UTC)
 * Alright, I leave it. <font face="Kristen ITC"><font color="#ff0000">C <font color="#ff6600">T <font color="#ffff00">J <font color="#009900">F <font color="#0000ff">8 <font color="#6600cc">3 chat 05:08, 13 August 2010 (UTC)

Accusations of sock-puppetry
Hi, I am not sure how to resolve this matter with you. You deleted my previous message from your chat page. Are you prepared to stop making these baseless accusations? DMSBel (talk) 20:39, 19 August 2010 (UTC)
 * We'll just see how the investigation goes. <font face="Kristen ITC"><font color="#ff0000">C <font color="#ff6600">T <font color="#ffff00">J <font color="#009900">F <font color="#0000ff">8 <font color="#6600cc">3 chat 05:41, 20 August 2010 (UTC)

Re:signatures - See my reply to you on my talk page.DMSBel (talk) 22:19, 20 August 2010 (UTC)


 * You accuse me repeatedly of being a sock-puppet of a banned user in front of other editors, and tell them to ignore me, so much so that someone (either you or another editor) started an investigation but you say you are being "friendly". Insincere. Please remove your comment from the section specified for comments in defence. It is not there for your comments.82.18.164.15 (talk) 16:57, 21 August 2010 (UTC)
 * No, that section is to reply to users also. <font face="Kristen ITC"><font color="#ff0000">C <font color="#ff6600">T <font color="#ffff00">J <font color="#009900">F <font color="#0000ff">8 <font color="#6600cc">3 chat 18:36, 21 August 2010 (UTC)
 * You have told me on my talk page about removing the signatures. If you really think you need to note it in the investigation page, put it in the comments from other users. Thanks.82.18.164.15 (talk) 20:53, 21 August 2010 (UTC)
 * What are you talking about? I've never posted anything on your talk page. Are you admitting to being User:DMSBel? <font face="Kristen ITC"><font color="#ff0000">C <font color="#ff6600">T <font color="#ffff00">J <font color="#009900">F <font color="#0000ff">8 <font color="#6600cc">3 chat 21:06, 21 August 2010 (UTC)


 * I never denied it. Just forgot that my IP address has a different talk page. I thought everyone knew 82.18.164.15 was DMSBel (me). I spelt it out in on the talk page of the marriage article. I have no idea who 71 is and as I said on the investigation page, his remark certainly was not supportive, I wasn't sure if he was being sarcastic at first, anyway it was not because I got any encouragement from him that I continued to discuss the proposed changes in the article intro. He was always telling me I was dealing with dishonest, and disingenuous editors. So does it not seem pretty obvious now it is two different editors. Why would one sock-puppet be trying to discourage himself from making changes???? 82.18.164.15 (talk) 21:36, 21 August 2010 (UTC)
 * It's happened before...makes it look legitimate. <font face="Kristen ITC"><font color="#ff0000">C <font color="#ff6600">T <font color="#ffff00">J <font color="#009900">F <font color="#0000ff">8 <font color="#6600cc">3 chat 05:48, 22 August 2010 (UTC)


 * I don't have time for this. Checkuser has demonstrated IP 71... is in Kansas, I am in Belfast, United Kingdom (not Kansas) - Atlantic ocean separates! DMSBel (talk) 16:27, 22 August 2010 (UTC)

WP:UAAHP
I have a question about Carrico08 there. Thanks your patrolling work. - Dank (push to talk) 20:43, 23 August 2010 (UTC)
 * ✅ <font face="Kristen ITC"><font color="#ff0000">C <font color="#ff6600">T <font color="#ffff00">J <font color="#009900">F <font color="#0000ff">8 <font color="#6600cc">3 chat 21:27, 23 August 2010 (UTC)

IRC
I need you to connect the Simpsons IRC whenever you are available. It is very important. Please comment on my talk page when you are avaiable, and I'll try to log on as soon as I see it. Gage (talk) 04:59, 28 August 2010 (UTC)

Homophobia
Hi,

i have noticed you have repeatedly been removing the edit i have made to the homophobia page, ie victimised homophobia.

the article does have references and has done for the past several times that it has been posted.

From your page it is quite clear that you are pro homosexuality, and it does appear to be a strong prejudist that you hold against anything that may regard to negative aspects of the homosexual community.

If you continue to do so i will have to take this to resolution as it seems quite apparent that you are biasing, and hence subversively tending away from the factual accuracy and completion of the homophobia wiki article. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Daenumen (talk • contribs) 21:28, 2 September 2010 (UTC)
 * Take it to resolution, I removed it for lack of sources, not because I disagree with what it said, find RELIABLE sources, then add it, simple as that. <font face="Kristen ITC"><font color="#ff0000">C <font color="#ff6600">T <font color="#ffff00">J <font color="#009900">F <font color="#0000ff">8 <font color="#6600cc">3 chat 21:37, 2 September 2010 (UTC)

I have further added more references such that the edit i have made includes both secondary and tertiary sources and once again you have removed it??

not only this but you have also removed two additions from this page that do not require sources.

ie where i further clarified that the alteration of homosexuality being a capital punishment was altered to a prison scentence (during the War on Terror and that we are still unaware if this will effect rates of rape between prison inmates. are you opposed to unbiased and clear articles regarding specifically homosexuality if not also others that you share similar bias towards?? ???
 * let's examine your sources...
 * traditionalvalues.org does that sound neutral to you? no
 * religioustolerance.org
 * then 2 good sources, and the rest vaguely linked to wikipedia pages...how do you think that meets WP:V and WP:neutral <font face="Kristen ITC"><font color="#ff0000">C <font color="#ff6600">T <font color="#ffff00">J <font color="#009900">F <font color="#0000ff">8 <font color="#6600cc">3 chat 03:18, 3 September 2010 (UTC)

please dont pretend that the rest of the sources provided are not all biased in favour of homosexuality, and that the general tone and discussion on the page is almost entirely pro-homosexuality.

so they may present some degree of baised against homosexual rape yes, but its addition to the article would only serve to balance the wikiarticle.

all the tertiary links are directly related to the topic being discussed, and all (except possibly 1) wiki pages are verified by secondary sources. so they are all reliable verification of terminology and manifestation.

you are simply expressing your prejudice by selective permission to add text to LGBT stubs.

i have added several other source articles, that both verify the topic of disucussion and provide more secondary sources for topics discussed in the edit.

i have checked with the wiki pages regarding verifiability and sources, and from what i can understand it meets all criteria. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Daenumen (talk • contribs) 10:17, 3 September 2010 (UTC)

infact having just looked through the list of sources quite a few appear to be blog pages, the article relating to islam and homosexuality is actually sourced FROM wikipedia, and is also inaccurate with respect to its content and conclusion (ie homosexuality in islam is considered a crime against humanity, since it is a sin that according to the quran can lead to destruction of civilisations. also lewdity does not directly correlate to homosexuality.)

many other sites are unverified secondary sources of questionable reliability.

some sources are clearly biased in their terminology eg the Riddle homophobia scale which differentiates between 'positive' attitudes ie pro homosexuality, and 'homophobic' attitudes, where homophobia is already described as unnatural and unhealthy. (clear biasing)

and once again, most articles take a strongly biased stance towards homosexuality being acceptible. homosexuality itself is a phenomena completely distinct from the phobia.

i hope you will consider amending these citations and the rest of the article next time you remove my additions. Daenumen (talk) 10:49, 3 September 2010 (UTC)

Alexis Cohen
In future please put drafts through DRV rather then simply recreating pages that have been deleted after an AFD. Spartaz Humbug! 06:03, 4 September 2010 (UTC)
 * Well you deleted it a year ago...doesn't DRV have some sort of time frame? <font face="Kristen ITC"><font color="#ff0000">C <font color="#ff6600">T <font color="#ffff00">J <font color="#009900">F <font color="#0000ff">8 <font color="#6600cc">3 chat 06:06, 4 September 2010 (UTC)
 * Absolutely not no. Spartaz Humbug! 06:07, 4 September 2010 (UTC)
 * And if I may say so, at the very least courtesy should have suggested you checked with me first or did you not notice the previous deletion? Spartaz Humbug! 06:08, 4 September 2010 (UTC)
 * I never looked at the AfD for the first one, no. <font face="Kristen ITC"><font color="#ff0000">C <font color="#ff6600">T <font color="#ffff00">J <font color="#009900">F <font color="#0000ff">8 <font color="#6600cc">3 chat 06:10, 4 September 2010 (UTC)
 * That's incredibly careless. How do you know you have overcome the standing consensus if you don't even look at it? That's.. well.. beyond words. I really hope you are planning to take more care in future. Spartaz Humbug! 06:15, 4 September 2010 (UTC)
 * Thanks for AGF, and calling my actions careless...skimming over the first one, I'm not even sure the consensus was to delete. <font face="Kristen ITC"><font color="#ff0000">C <font color="#ff6600">T <font color="#ffff00">J <font color="#009900">F <font color="#0000ff">8 <font color="#6600cc">3 chat 06:20, 4 September 2010 (UTC)
 * And attacking my close a year after the event because you didn't bother to check read it before creating this article assumes good faith how? Um did you even know the page had been deleted at AFD? Do you check page logs before creating stuff? Spartaz Humbug! 06:41, 4 September 2010 (UTC)
 * I didn't attack your close, it looks like a no consensus to me. <font face="Kristen ITC"><font color="#ff0000">C <font color="#ff6600">T <font color="#ffff00">J <font color="#009900">F <font color="#0000ff">8 <font color="#6600cc">3 chat 06:43, 4 September 2010 (UTC)


 * The image you took is clearly a copyvio on the blog where you got it . There is no attributation, no license and the original source is not declared. On second thoughts I'm deleting it as a copyvio but there is no reason why you can't find another image from a reputable source with author and licensing information. Spartaz Humbug! 06:47, 4 September 2010 (UTC)
 * Well can you help me then? I'm horrible with images. <font face="Kristen ITC"><font color="#ff0000">C <font color="#ff6600">T <font color="#ffff00">J <font color="#009900">F <font color="#0000ff">8 <font color="#6600cc">3 chat 06:50, 4 September 2010 (UTC)
 * So I noticed ;-) I'm looking now but everything on the net seems to be a copyvio and the only one with freeish license according to google is another copyvio. Your best bet is to find something from the americal idol website - it will clearly own the license to its own images and that would be easier to argue fairuse for. Spartaz Humbug! 06:55, 4 September 2010 (UTC)
 * Before I look through all their photos, do you know if she was top 24 or anything? <font face="Kristen ITC"><font color="#ff0000">C <font color="#ff6600">T <font color="#ffff00">J <font color="#009900">F <font color="#0000ff">8 <font color="#6600cc">3 chat 06:59, 4 September 2010 (UTC)
 * I doubt it. Didn't she go out in the early stages?
 * Actually you aren't that bad with images, I looked at your uploads and the only dodgy one is this one - exactly the same where you attribute the source to a copyright violating blog. What you need to do is find the original source of the image and source it to that. Everything else looks correctly attributed. Spartaz Humbug! 07:02, 4 September 2010 (UTC)
 * No idea, I don't watch it...will one of these with Idol logos, where she is clearly on stage, be good, cause I would assume Idol/Fox on those. <font face="Kristen ITC"><font color="#ff0000">C <font color="#ff6600">T <font color="#ffff00">J <font color="#009900">F <font color="#0000ff">8 <font color="#6600cc">3 chat 07:04, 4 September 2010 (UTC)
 * No really a good one but clearly a screenshot, so owned by Fox <font face="Kristen ITC"><font color="#ff0000">C <font color="#ff6600">T <font color="#ffff00">J <font color="#009900">F <font color="#0000ff">8 <font color="#6600cc">3 chat 07:06, 4 September 2010 (UTC)
 * Looks like original source for Shepard <font face="Kristen ITC"><font color="#ff0000">C <font color="#ff6600">T <font color="#ffff00">J <font color="#009900">F <font color="#0000ff">8 <font color="#6600cc">3 chat 07:10, 4 September 2010 (UTC)
 * That will do then, just switch the sources round and make sure the license is correct and is fixed Spartaz Humbug! 07:54, 4 September 2010 (UTC)
 * What will do? The screenshot? Either way might as well wait for AfD results..and on File:Matthew Shepard.jpg why does the author not show up in view mode, but it does in edit. <font face="Kristen ITC"><font color="#ff0000">C <font color="#ff6600">T <font color="#ffff00">J <font color="#009900">F <font color="#0000ff">8 <font color="#6600cc">3 chat 07:57, 4 September 2010 (UTC)
 * Sorry my comment was a but rushed. I'm referring to the shepard image only. The idol stuff needs to come from the original source. Screen caps would be a worse choice then finding the original of an image. Spartaz Humbug! 10:36, 4 September 2010 (UTC)

WTH
You are considering becoming an admin, that would be awsome.......but what dose an asmin do....cuase i do not know. --<font color="Orange">Pedro J. the rookie 19:13, 5 September 2010 (UTC)
 * WP:ADMIN, they can block people, delete pages/images, etc. <font face="Kristen ITC"><font color="#ff0000">C <font color="#ff6600">T <font color="#ffff00">J <font color="#009900">F <font color="#0000ff">8 <font color="#6600cc">3 chat 19:53, 5 September 2010 (UTC)

IRC
Could you please connect to IRCas soon as you see this message? It is something else that is very important. Gage (talk) 19:59, 5 September 2010 (UTC)
 * Connecting <font face="Kristen ITC"><font color="#ff0000">C <font color="#ff6600">T <font color="#ffff00">J <font color="#009900">F <font color="#0000ff">8 <font color="#6600cc">3 chat 20:05, 5 September 2010 (UTC)

info
can you look around the comentery and look to see if you can find info on Joe and Peters desings, Peters voice on how Macfarlane dose them, etc. --<font color="Orange">Pedro J. the rookie 21:18, 7 August 2010 (UTC)
 * ya, headed to work now, so prob won't be till tomorrow night or monday. <font face="Kristen ITC"><font color="#ff0000">C <font color="#ff6600">T <font color="#ffff00">J <font color="#009900">F <font color="#0000ff">8 <font color="#6600cc">3 chat 21:35, 7 August 2010 (UTC)
 * Alright. --<font color="Orange">Pedro J. the rookie 06:14, 8 August 2010 (UTC)
 * CTJ can you conect. --<font color="Orange">Pedro J. the rookie 17:45, 20 August 2010 (UTC)ro thy master|<font color="Orange">Pedro J. ]] the rookie 06:48, 9 August 2010 (UTC)
 * Sorry, was in bed. <font face="Kristen ITC"><font color="#ff0000">C <font color="#ff6600">T <font color="#ffff00">J <font color="#009900">F <font color="#0000ff">8 <font color="#6600cc">3 chat 17:11, 9 August 2010 (UTC)
 * If your there conect plase. --<font color="Orange">Pedro J. the rookie 17:26, 9 August 2010 (UTC)
 * K <font face="Kristen ITC"><font color="#ff0000">C <font color="#ff6600">T <font color="#ffff00">J <font color="#009900">F <font color="#0000ff">8 <font color="#6600cc">3 chat 17:37, 9 August 2010 (UTC)
 * Also CTJ plase can you do some copy editing on A Hero Sits Next Door its on GAN. --<font color="Orange">Pedro J. the rookie 08:54, 10 August 2010 (UTC)
 * ✅ <font face="Kristen ITC"><font color="#ff0000">C <font color="#ff6600">T <font color="#ffff00">J <font color="#009900">F <font color="#0000ff">8 <font color="#6600cc">3 chat 16:31, 10 August 2010 (UTC)
 * Thank you. --<font color="Orange">Pedro J. the rookie 16:33, 10 August 2010 (UTC)
 * Sure. <font face="Kristen ITC"><font color="#ff0000">C <font color="#ff6600">T <font color="#ffff00">J <font color="#009900">F <font color="#0000ff">8 <font color="#6600cc">3 chat 16:34, 10 August 2010 (UTC)

There is a commentary issue, there is no commentary at all for A Hero Sits Next Door. Not sure which episode the commentary referenced is referring to. <font face="Kristen ITC"><font color="#ff0000">C <font color="#ff6600">T <font color="#ffff00">J <font color="#009900">F <font color="#0000ff">8 <font color="#6600cc">3 chat 17:23, 10 August 2010 (UTC)
 * That was there when i edit that beter take it off, thanks CTJ, but really no coments on how Joe was desinged nothing. --<font color="Orange">Pedro J. the rookie 17:42, 10 August 2010 (UTC)
 * Ya, it is unfortatnate that in the early season they only did commentary for some of the episodes. We'll just have to see what the reviewer says. <font face="Kristen ITC"><font color="#ff0000">C <font color="#ff6600">T <font color="#ffff00">J <font color="#009900">F <font color="#0000ff">8 <font color="#6600cc">3 chat 17:45, 10 August 2010 (UTC)
 * SoB, hey can you explain me what he means that i do with the cultural refrences. --<font color="Orange">Pedro J. the rookie 17:52, 10 August 2010 (UTC)
 * I'm going to eat lunch now, but then I'll come back and fix the CR section. <font face="Kristen ITC"><font color="#ff0000">C <font color="#ff6600">T <font color="#ffff00">J <font color="#009900">F <font color="#0000ff">8 <font color="#6600cc">3 chat 17:54, 10 August 2010 (UTC)
 * ✅ <font face="Kristen ITC"><font color="#ff0000">C <font color="#ff6600">T <font color="#ffff00">J <font color="#009900">F <font color="#0000ff">8 <font color="#6600cc">3 chat 18:30, 10 August 2010 (UTC)
 * CTJ i am going to travel so i may not connect fo a day or two, also congrats for the futurama. --<font color="Orange">Pedro J. the rookie 09:18, 11 August 2010 (UTC)
 * CTJ do you know who in FG who has the Lexus Nexus or the guide for the episodes. --<font color="Orange">Pedro J. the rookie 14:36, 11 August 2010 (UTC)
 * I'm not sure, sorry. <font face="Kristen ITC"><font color="#ff0000">C <font color="#ff6600">T <font color="#ffff00">J <font color="#009900">F <font color="#0000ff">8 <font color="#6600cc">3 chat 16:05, 11 August 2010 (UTC)
 * Conect. --<font color="Orange">Pedro J. the rookie 16:13, 11 August 2010 (UTC)
 * K <font face="Kristen ITC"><font color="#ff0000">C <font color="#ff6600">T <font color="#ffff00">J <font color="#009900">F <font color="#0000ff">8 <font color="#6600cc">3 chat 16:14, 11 August 2010 (UTC)
 * No i cannot conect from were i am do you think there is any possibility of the GAN passing. --<font color="Orange">Pedro J. the rookie 16:16, 11 August 2010 (UTC)

Umm....we are going to have to find a little more info. You can maybe ask the project if anyone has any of the books to help us out. <font face="Kristen ITC"><font color="#ff0000">C <font color="#ff6600">T <font color="#ffff00">J <font color="#009900">F <font color="#0000ff">8 <font color="#6600cc">3 chat 16:18, 11 August 2010 (UTC)
 * Well we have put alot of info but i cannot ind more i cannot afoorded to bue the books, and i doubt that i i post anything in the proyect will respond. --<font color="Orange">Pedro J. the rookie 16:22, 11 August 2010 (UTC)
 * You can try posting...or ask Gage directly, maybe he has them. <font face="Kristen ITC"><font color="#ff0000">C <font color="#ff6600">T <font color="#ffff00">J <font color="#009900">F <font color="#0000ff">8 <font color="#6600cc">3 chat 16:23, 11 August 2010 (UTC)
 * Man this review is a hard, guess i could but gage is diffu¡icult to contact as he is working on things i tried to find why Warburton or tilly were casts but nothing, tried to see if i could watch a page of the book online nothing. Do not now what to do. --<font color="Orange">Pedro J. the rookie 16:27, 11 August 2010 (UTC)
 * We can wait to see if anyone has a book, or we might be out of luck, can you post to see if any one has a book at WT:FG <font face="Kristen ITC"><font color="#ff0000">C <font color="#ff6600">T <font color="#ffff00">J <font color="#009900">F <font color="#0000ff">8 <font color="#6600cc">3 chat 16:29, 11 August 2010 (UTC)
 * On it but lets try think of something cause in a normal review the episode would have passed right. --<font color="Orange">Pedro J. the rookie 16:31, 11 August 2010 (UTC)
 * Bignole just has higher standards on GAC, we just need to make sure we can make it as good as he wants it. <font face="Kristen ITC"><font color="#ff0000">C <font color="#ff6600">T <font color="#ffff00">J <font color="#009900">F <font color="#0000ff">8 <font color="#6600cc">3 chat 16:35, 11 August 2010 (UTC)
 * Yeah i understand were he is coming for, but he said if we could find something o a real production he would pass it, well we have a bit of things, we have why it takes a year to produce, and why the episode has a title without death or murder in it, but it is difficult i think we are done as far as we can do know, darn high standers. --<font color="Orange">Pedro J. the rookie 16:39, 11 August 2010 (UTC)
 * Also remember i may not conect for a day or two or three. --<font color="Orange">Pedro J. the rookie 16:44, 11 August 2010 (UTC)
 * Check it out Pedro! we don't need the book, Google has it for us!! <font face="Kristen ITC"><font color="#ff0000">C <font color="#ff6600">T <font color="#ffff00">J <font color="#009900">F <font color="#0000ff">8 <font color="#6600cc">3 chat 16:45, 11 August 2010 (UTC)
 * How can we use that sorry i cannot understand. --<font color="Orange">Pedro J. the rookie 16:48, 11 August 2010 (UTC)

It's the episode guide Bignole was suggesting we get. Scroll through, it is the actual book on Google for us to read through. It provides very limited help though, the only thing I can find that is worthy, is what you mentioned, Seth commenting on this being the first episode to not use Death or Murder in the title. <font face="Kristen ITC"><font color="#ff0000">C <font color="#ff6600">T <font color="#ffff00">J <font color="#009900">F <font color="#0000ff">8 <font color="#6600cc">3 chat 16:51, 11 August 2010 (UTC)
 * F···· I will look on the other books but what could Big do fail it, can he if we gathered everything we can imagine. --<font color="Orange">Pedro J. the rookie 16:53, 11 August 2010 (UTC)
 * It's up to him, if he doesn't think it is broad enough in its coverage, he can fail it. <font face="Kristen ITC"><font color="#ff0000">C <font color="#ff6600">T <font color="#ffff00">J <font color="#009900">F <font color="#0000ff">8 <font color="#6600cc">3 chat 16:55, 11 August 2010 (UTC)
 * F···· agin i guess he will fail it, well lets keep looking. --<font color="Orange">Pedro J. the rookie 16:57, 11 August 2010 (UTC)
 * CTJ he gave us a chance the artical only needs copyediting and a bit more please read the review page, remember i may not conect today. --<font color="Orange">Pedro J. the rookie 05:05, 12 August 2010 (UTC)
 * Alright, CTJ i belive AHSND is done, thanks alot for your help on it now i will finsh details with it and hope Big will pass it, also a favor please look in comenteries for Baby no on board. --<font color="Orange">Pedro J. the rookie 13:09, 13 August 2010 (UTC)
 * Ok, that'll be probably tomorrow, pretty busy today. <font face="Kristen ITC"><font color="#ff0000">C <font color="#ff6600">T <font color="#ffff00">J <font color="#009900">F <font color="#0000ff">8 <font color="#6600cc">3 chat 18:01, 13 August 2010 (UTC)
 * Yes, please remember cuase its on GAN and it will fail without the production info, remember artical Baby not on board.--<font color="Orange">Pedro J. the rookie 11:31, 16 August 2010 (UTC)
 * Ok <font face="Kristen ITC"><font color="#ff0000">C <font color="#ff6600">T <font color="#ffff00">J <font color="#009900">F <font color="#0000ff">8 <font color="#6600cc">3 chat 17:28, 16 August 2010 (UTC)
 * Awsome, one less, hey you choose the next episode, that will be your birthday gift, cause i do not know when your birthday so thats it, so choose:D. --<font color="Orange">Pedro J. the rookie 23:31, 16 August 2010 (UTC)

LOL, ok...I'm gonna work on Baby on Tuesday, I promise...let me think about which episode next. <font face="Kristen ITC"><font color="#ff0000">C <font color="#ff6600">T <font color="#ffff00">J <font color="#009900">F <font color="#0000ff">8 <font color="#6600cc">3 chat 05:34, 17 August 2010 (UTC)
 * Alright, remember 1 season only. :D --<font color="Orange">Pedro J. the rookie 09:41, 17 August 2010 (UTC)
 * Remember ctj, BNOB go, GO. --<font color="Orange">Pedro J. the rookie 23:16, 17 August 2010 (UTC)
 * Ok, started at User:Ctjf83/Sandbox, but will have to finish later. Not sure how much I'll get, they usually don't have anything relevant to say. <font face="Kristen ITC"><font color="#ff0000">C <font color="#ff6600">T <font color="#ffff00">J <font color="#009900">F <font color="#0000ff">8 <font color="#6600cc">3 chat 02:51, 18 August 2010 (UTC)
 * Thank you, hey have you chosen the episode also please check my 4 sandbox, it has a project that i am working on, it needs alot of work but it is better than most articles of the type we have. --<font color="Orange">Pedro J. the rookie 01:31, 19 August 2010 (UTC)
 * CTJ conect.
 * Connected. <font face="Kristen ITC"><font color="#ff0000">C <font color="#ff6600">T <font color="#ffff00">J <font color="#009900">F <font color="#0000ff">8 <font color="#6600cc">3 chat 17:56, 20 August 2010 (UTC)
 * CTJ can you find someinfo on all of FGs showrunners and also what animation studios work on FG, also hows the first season episode. --<font color="Orange">Pedro J. the rookie 03:25, 27 August 2010 (UTC)
 * Sorry, been super busy lately, I'll try and work on it soon. What kind of info do you want on showrunners and animation studios? <font face="Kristen ITC"><font color="#ff0000">C <font color="#ff6600">T <font color="#ffff00">J <font color="#009900">F <font color="#0000ff">8 <font color="#6600cc">3 chat 04:52, 27 August 2010 (UTC)
 * The info i need is who have been the showrunners by name and seasons, the anamation everything you can find about theanimation. --<font color="Orange">Pedro J. the rookie 11:22, 27 August 2010 (UTC)
 * Ctj please copy edit road to europe,. --<font color="Orange">Pedro J.  the rookie 17:37, 29 August 2010 (UTC)
 * Ok, lunch first then I'll work on it. I'm still doing season 1, I'm just kinda being lazy lately. <font face="Kristen ITC"><font color="#ff0000">C <font color="#ff6600">T <font color="#ffff00">J <font color="#009900">F <font color="#0000ff">8 <font color="#6600cc">3 chat 17:38, 29 August 2010 (UTC)
 * It says after the concert Peter and Lois stop at a "food local" what is that? I can't remember from the episode, they stop at a restaurant, right?
 * Also I don't think listing the other Road to rankings, or any other episode rankings in the reception is important. If someone is interested, they can click the link. You will need to find more than one review if possible. <font face="Kristen ITC"><font color="#ff0000">C <font color="#ff6600">T <font color="#ffff00">J <font color="#009900">F <font color="#0000ff">8 <font color="#6600cc">3 chat 19:22, 29 August 2010 (UTC)
 * I believe a least the road to episodes are necessary and yes they stop at a restaurant. --<font color="Orange">Pedro J. the rookie 19:37, 29 August 2010 (UTC)
 * Ok, I'd change it to restaurant. <font face="Kristen ITC"><font color="#ff0000">C <font color="#ff6600">T <font color="#ffff00">J <font color="#009900">F <font color="#0000ff">8 <font color="#6600cc">3 chat 20:03, 29 August 2010 (UTC)
 * Hey i am tempted to nominate chitty chitthy death bang, i re-wrote the plot and it's production is informative in an aspect. --<font color="Orange">Pedro J.  the rookie 01:54, 7 September 2010 (UTC)
 * Hey i am tempted to nominate chitty chitthy death bang, i re-wrote the plot and it's production is informative in an aspect. --<font color="Orange">Pedro J.  the rookie 01:54, 7 September 2010 (UTC)

Go for it buddy, it looks good. <font face="Kristen ITC"><font color="#ff0000">C <font color="#ff6600">T <font color="#ffff00">J <font color="#009900">F <font color="#0000ff">8 <font color="#6600cc">3 chat 03:11, 7 September 2010 (UTC)

Homophobia Discussion
Hi, I have written a response to the recent issue of the improperly cited and worded addition to the Homophobia article (on it's Talk Page). It's rather lengthy, but I am hoping it accurately portrays everything that is currently at issue. Please let me know what you think, as well as make your own additions to that section to ensure I have properly portrayed (along with my own viewpoints on it) your opinion on the matter and Wikipedia's policy on such issues. Thanks, RobertMfromLI | User Talk 18:39, 5 September 2010 (UTC)
 * I'll go look. <font face="Kristen ITC"><font color="#ff0000">C <font color="#ff6600">T <font color="#ffff00">J <font color="#009900">F <font color="#0000ff">8 <font color="#6600cc">3 chat 18:41, 5 September 2010 (UTC)


 * Hi ctjf83, Regarding the article Homophobia since you were involved in issuing a warning, I would appreciate it if you would review the conversation on the article's talk page (and Daenumen's Talk page) and weigh in on whether my synopsis of the problems we all have are correct, and properly stated on everyone's behalf. Thanks, RobertMfromLI | User Talk 14:52, 7 September 2010 (UTC)
 * OK <font face="Kristen ITC"><font color="#ff0000">C <font color="#ff6600">T <font color="#ffff00">J <font color="#009900">F <font color="#0000ff">8 <font color="#6600cc">3 chat 16:39, 7 September 2010 (UTC)
 * Do you mean Talk:Homophobia? Yikes, looks really long, and the same kind of stuff from Daenumen...can you summarize, I hate reading, lol. <font face="Kristen ITC"><font color="#ff0000">C <font color="#ff6600">T <font color="#ffff00">J <font color="#009900">F <font color="#0000ff">8 <font color="#6600cc">3 chat 16:41, 7 September 2010 (UTC)


 * Most of the back and forth is the same as before. The portion I am most concerned with is where I may have overstepped myself in my second to last entry by stating a general consensus held by us all on this issue. It starts thusly: "Let me try to explain this one more time. I am pretty sure absolutely no one (other editors, correct me if I am mis-speaking on your behalf) cares (in regards to including it in the article) what the heck premise you are trying to make - whether we disagree with it or not..." then to continue in a paraphrased fashion (otherwise this will be a book) goes on to indicate (again, paraphrased) "Dont keep posting your explanation of what vicitimized homophobia is here. All we want are you to word it WP:NPOV, give it proper weight (minority position should not use as much space as the entire rest of the article), find proper sources (ie: you make medical claims but never cite a valid medical authority), understand that WP:OR is not permitted (and while you admit cases of such are rarely reported, you base this on the premise that the research is wrong and such cases are the vast majority of causes), etc"; closing with "You can either work with us and address the issues to reach a consensus, or give up"


 * That is the position on the issue I put forth on the behalf of all the editors who have involved themselves. If I have accurately stated your opinion, you're welcome to indicate such on the article's talk page. If I have mis-stated your opinion on the matter, please, also feel free to state that there (with my apologies in advance).


 * In addition, from reviewing all the citations, I had come to the conclusion that none were appropriate to their use (even if valid otherwise; ie: reliable sources, etc) - but that and the rest I solely attributed to myself and my reading of his article and following his citation.


 * Best, RobertMfromLI | User Talk 22:04, 7 September 2010 (UTC)
 * Thank you, for summarizing that...and I totally agree with you, and will make my agreeableness on the talk page. <font face="Kristen ITC"><font color="#ff0000">C <font color="#ff6600">T <font color="#ffff00">J <font color="#009900">F <font color="#0000ff">8 <font color="#6600cc">3  chat 22:56, 7 September 2010 (UTC)

I-80 Pix
YES! Take one of downtown Adair, Iowa, just off of I-80; my photo of the watertower is probably the worst photo I've ever uploaded....Bill Whittaker (talk) 01:36, 10 September 2010 (UTC)

Articles for deletion/J8ded
I urge you to reopen and relist this one. Shortly after you did a non-admin close, another long-time editor prodded it as non-notable. Looking at the article and the AFD discussion, I think it needs more discussion, if not an outright speedy tag. 69.181.249.92 (talk) 07:01, 10 September 2010 (UTC)
 * Well per WP:RELIST it shouldn't be relisted a third time... <font face="Kristen ITC"><font color="#ff0000">C <font color="#ff6600">T <font color="#ffff00">J <font color="#009900">F <font color="#0000ff">8 <font color="#6600cc">3 chat 14:50, 10 September 2010 (UTC)
 * Well, frak. I really don't want to have to learn the ropes necessary to take it to DRV. And I suspect that, as an IP editor, I'll have to jump through additional hoops to do so and that it will languish there for a while anyway (as they often do at AFD). Any other recourse available? 69.181.249.92 (talk) 19:42, 10 September 2010 (UTC)
 * Recourse to have it deleted? Not really, there was no consensus, why do you want it deleted so badly? <font face="Kristen ITC"><font color="#ff0000">C <font color="#ff6600">T <font color="#ffff00">J <font color="#009900">F <font color="#0000ff">8 <font color="#6600cc">3 chat 23:58, 12 September 2010 (UTC)

PRIDE
Hi Ctjf83, Thank you for the formatting work you did to improve the PRIDE page. I think I know why you changes it, but may I suggest that it appear as "Personal Rights in Defense and Education (PRIDE)". The word PRIDE needs to appear in the title as almost everyone called it by its initials rather then saying the whole name Personal Rights in Defense and Education. In the majority of the research and reference materials I have read. The organizations name appears as  "(PRIDE) Personal Rights in Defense and Education". So for uniformity could we include (PRIDE) at the end. When people search the name they are going to write "(PRIDE) Personal Rights in Defense and Education" more often then not. Anyway I did not feel I should change it on my own, but rather thought it would be better to make my case to you and see if my compromise would be acceptable. Thank you again for polishing up the article, much appreciated. PinkCityHistorian (talk) 19:21, 4 September 2010 (UTC)

Ctjf83 I understand now that you were applying the Wiki naming rules and your point that in the first sentence its explained what the the PRIDE name is from. I defer to your experience and judgement. Thank you for your clear explanation. PinkCityHistorian (talk) 19:39, 4 September 2010 (UTC)

Ctjf83 I am completely comfortable with your solution and I very much appreciate that you need to balance between the Wiki naming guidance and the users ease of search and I think you have that balance. My goal with each entry I create is to comply as best I can with the Wiki guidelines. So I value the process and see the benefit of discussion with senior level editors. My goal is to get important and relevant "gay" historical and cultural people and places simply and properly represented. I am happy to work through the system and make those articles be a useful to researchers as is possible. PinkCityHistorian (talk) 21:53, 4 September 2010 (UTC)

Hi Ctjf83 can you independently review the changes that (Are You The Cow Of Pain) added to the PRIDE article. The foot notes cover the whole paragraph in each section and double foot notes if it is crossed sources. (Are You The Cow Of Pain) put in a whole bunch of (citation needed) without actual going to see that the paragraph is cover by the full page from the reference material. If the foot not e covered the whole paragraph then there is no need to put 3, 4 to 5 of the same foot note in a row. Can you please review and advise me If you like I will go back and put the same foot note in for all the sentence in the paragraph, but they will refer to the same page I footnoted the section with. I kinda feel like (Are You The Cow Of Pain) has over reached here. There are so many under footnotes (and over) on wiki I really made and effort to keep the article clean, clear and correct. Please advise. (sorry logged in from my sisters CPU its PinkCityHistorian (talk  166.187.201.176 (talk) 06:32, 10 September 2010 (UTC)

Ctjf83 thank you for your guidance, I will do both 1. inform (Are You The Cow Of Pain) how its sourced and that Wiki rule allow for that, 2. I will add in some of the (citation needed) with either an further source or the same source info. that was at the end of the paragraph. Have an nice weekend, I very much appreciate and value your time in assisting me on this. PinkCityHistorian (talk) 19:45, 10 September 2010 (UTC)

Ctjf83 I would also like to bring to your attention there is something that I find it unsettling. Why is (Are You The Cow Of Pain) putting this article, my other articles on gay subjects and other LGBT articles in general under intense scrutiny when there are whole articles in wiki that are fully un-sourced and clearly product or brand promos. (I mean really obvious) Here is a prime example http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nokia_E70 this is source from only one place and is a source that is a internal Nokia document. Its a promotion for the Nokia brand. I am not saying remove it, but I am saying before (Are You The Cow Of Pain) starts splitting hairs in the PRIDE article that was well researched, fully sourced and footnoted. My in stints are telling me that there is more to this. I am making a real effort to get LGBT articles written, cleanly reported, sourced and as accurate as possible, about subjects from gay history that were originally suppressed by a bias press or a oppressive anti-gay police or city government. Because these places and people stories where under-reported due to discrimination does not mean that are not historically valid. Research is difficult and time consuming on this subject as the Status Quo so vigorously suppressed any information on this subject for 2/3rds of the 20th century. Yet my articles are base only on known reliable, verifiable sources. (Are You The Cow Of Pain) aggressively came after my first article on the oldest gay leather bar in LA (The Eagle LA) and got it deleted on somewhat bogus grounds. I was to inexperienced with Wiki to properly fight back. But I did follow up, learn how to show sourcing and footnotes better and I am rewriting it and its now fully sourced with much more research then before and then I will repost it and ask for your comments and oversight along with CIRT who deleted it at (Are You The Cow Of Pain) request and then agreed to put it back in my sand box for me to rework and repost as a more wikified article. (Are You The Cow Of Pain) used the position I used above that they "thought" it might be a promotion for the bar, completely not seeing how essential these places were in gay history as a place of refuge, political organization and as community centers because no other spaces were made available to gays. The Eagle LA is the story of an establishment that was a contemporary of the Black Cat Tavern the PRIDE organization, The Metropolitan Community Church and the The Patch (bar) and is a vital part of the story of the pre Stonewall Inn resistance that happen in Silverlake LA a full two years before the Stonewall riots. This part of gay history has bee so under reported that it has only really been discussed in the last 10 years and finally is included in Wiki along with the historic Stonewall Riots. This stuff matters! Its all part of the bigger story of the evolution of gay Americans stepping up and demanding their rights as Americans. All the parts of the story need to be presented. I guess I am suggesting, where there is smoke there may be conflagration. Possibly further scrutiny may be called for on changes to LGBT articles, I am just suggesting oversight. After I post on (Are You The Cow Of Pain) talk page could you take a look at the conversation and what further changes (Are You The Cow Of Pain) makes to LGBT articles. Or who at Wiki I should turn to with this question. If you feel I am being to sensative or off base here please just tell me. PinkCityHistorian (talk) 19:45, 10 September 2010 (UTC)

FYI          http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Are_You_The_Cow_Of_Pain%3F#Not_a_Barn... PinkCityHistorian (talk) 20:15, 10 September 2010 (UTC)

Ctjf83 Thank you for your Encouragement and Guidance. PinkCityHistorian (talk) 06:27, 15 September 2010 (UTC)

Userbox
Hiya! I added a userbox to my user page (it's currently at the bottom of the list till I group my UBs). I thought you would enjoy it and get a kick out of it. Found it while surfing through some other people's user pages. Check it out and let me know! Best, Rob ( R OBERT M FROM LI  TALK/CNTRB 22:17, 19 September 2010 (UTC))
 * LOL, that userbox is great!! and so true! :-D <font face="Kristen ITC"><font color="#ff0000">C <font color="#ff6600">T <font color="#ffff00">J <font color="#009900">F <font color="#0000ff">8 <font color="#6600cc">3 chat 22:22, 19 September 2010 (UTC)
 * :-) R OBERT M FROM LI  TALK/CNTRB 22:29, 19 September 2010 (UTC)

The Rocky Horror Picture Show
Any help you wish to contribute would be great! I have started on the lead, and plot but have not touched the musical numbers or soundtrack sections. Also....I am pretty bad at spelling and my grammer is not always top notch. LOL! So.....double check my work? LOL! No, seriously.....--Amadscientist (talk) 02:03, 24 September 2010 (UTC)
 * Sure, I'll double check the work. It might be good to do a cast section like The_Dark_Knight_(film), that one is done nicely. <font face="Kristen ITC"><font color="#ff0000">C <font color="#ff6600">T <font color="#ffff00">J <font color="#009900">F <font color="#0000ff">8 <font color="#6600cc">3 chat 04:12, 24 September 2010 (UTC)

importance chart

 * Version 1.0 Editorial Team/Using the bot. &bull; Ling.Nut 02:29, 26 September 2010 (UTC)
 * Thank you <font face="Kristen ITC"><font color="#ff0000">C <font color="#ff6600">T <font color="#ffff00">J <font color="#009900">F <font color="#0000ff">8 <font color="#6600cc">3 chat 02:32, 26 September 2010 (UTC)

Ai ai ai...
...a POV comment! Thanks for making the proper edit against your personal conviction. I feel the same way. Drmies (talk) 04:10, 26 September 2010 (UTC)
 * HAHA, ya, I feel NPOV is more important than my personal views....at least on Wikipedia :) <font face="Kristen ITC"><font color="#ff0000">C <font color="#ff6600">T <font color="#ffff00">J <font color="#009900">F <font color="#0000ff">8 <font color="#6600cc">3 chat 04:12, 26 September 2010 (UTC)
 * Hmm judging from your infoboxes we have a lot in common--except for Iowa, Shania Twain, and soft drinks. Wait, I guess that means we're plenty different. Happy editing, Drmies (talk) 04:25, 26 September 2010 (UTC)
 * LOL! Happy editing to you! :) <font face="Kristen ITC"><font color="#ff0000">C <font color="#ff6600">T <font color="#ffff00">J <font color="#009900">F <font color="#0000ff">8 <font color="#6600cc">3 chat 04:26, 26 September 2010 (UTC)

Non-admin closure of AFD for China National Highway 110 traffic jam
Your non-admin closure of Articles for deletion/China National Highway 110 traffic jam (2nd nomination)‎ was inappropriate. I gave a clear and detailed reasoning for my nomination, it was not acceptable that you closed it with the reasoning that there was "no reason for this AFD". I hereby ask you to reopen the AFD, please, and let an admin close it if he determines a need for it. This was not an uncontroversial close, in my book. Strange Passerby (talk • c • status) 05:07, 26 September 2010 (UTC)
 * Nothing in the closing policy says I can't close "controversial" AfDs. I see no reason, 3 weeks after a previous keep AfD to have another AfD going, because you didn't like the outcome. If you read 2-3, that case applies. Only 3 full deletes on the last AfD with 36 keep/merge/redirect, I would consider 36-3 a strong case, as 2-3 mentions. <font face="Kristen ITC"><font color="#ff0000">C <font color="#ff6600">T <font color="#ffff00">J <font color="#009900">F <font color="#0000ff">8 <font color="#6600cc">3 chat 05:15, 26 September 2010 (UTC)
 * "Because (I) didn't like the outcome"? Pretty quick to judge, aren't you? I haven't contributed to the article at all. You should be assuming good faith here. Or should I bring it to ANI? Strange Passerby (talk • c • status) 05:16, 26 September 2010 (UTC)
 * * Striked* My apologies, I would say the best place to take it is WP:Deletion review. It's only been 12 hours, but you are the only delete, I see no reason to have this drawn out for 6.5 more days, and then taken to DR. <font face="Kristen ITC"><font color="#ff0000">C <font color="#ff6600">T <font color="#ffff00">J <font color="#009900">F <font color="#0000ff">8 <font color="#6600cc">3 chat 05:19, 26 September 2010 (UTC)
 * Exactly. "It's only been 12 hours". I wouldn't have minded if it was three days. But in 12 hours? Sorry, I can't accept that as a speedy keep close by a non-admin. I'd suggest ANI would be the best place for an admin third opinion here, but I think we can avoid that if you'd just reopen the AFD and let it run for a few more days. If you look at my AFD history, I know when to withdraw my own AFDs if I feel there's good reasoning on the keep side, and I'll similarly do so if it warrants. I don't see WP:DRV as the place for this as my nomination rationale is different from the first AFD's deletion rationale. Strange Passerby (talk • c • status) 05:23, 26 September 2010 (UTC)
 * I really don't think admins are any better at making decisions then experienced non-admins. I really don't like ANI threats, but although I doubt it will make any difference, I'll AGF and reopen it. <font face="Kristen ITC"><font color="#ff0000">C <font color="#ff6600">T <font color="#ffff00">J <font color="#009900">F <font color="#0000ff">8 <font color="#6600cc">3 chat 05:28, 26 September 2010 (UTC)
 * Thank you. As I said, I'll withdraw it at a later time if the situation changes or calls for it. What really got my goat was that it was a non-admin speedy keep after just 12 hours, which is not enough time imo to let any consensus develop. Strange Passerby (talk • c • status) 05:30, 26 September 2010 (UTC)
 * Also, I did not mean for "should I take it to ANI?" to come across as a threat; I could've been clearer. As mentioned subsequently, I only meant to take it to ANI for an admin third opinion on the speedy keep, and not regarding anything else. Strange Passerby (talk • c • status) 05:34, 26 September 2010 (UTC)
 * Ohh...I took it as you wanting to take it to ANI because I didn't AGF. No worries now that we got it cleared up! <font face="Kristen ITC"><font color="#ff0000">C <font color="#ff6600">T <font color="#ffff00">J <font color="#009900">F <font color="#0000ff">8 <font color="#6600cc">3 chat 05:36, 26 September 2010 (UTC)

QA
Bill Oakley will be on IRC at 12 noon Pacific time this Monday for us to conduct an interview for Wikinews. I hope you can make it. Gran2 19:27, 25 September 2010 (UTC)
 * Dang! I'll be working :( Please provide a transcript! lol :) <font face="Kristen ITC"><font color="#ff0000">C <font color="#ff6600">T <font color="#ffff00">J <font color="#009900">F <font color="#0000ff">8 <font color="#6600cc">3 chat 19:46, 25 September 2010 (UTC)
 * It should be published at Wikinews. If you have any questions (stuff you want clearing up in articles etc.) then just tell me in advance and I'll see if I can ask him. Gran2 14:40, 26 September 2010 (UTC)
 * Ok, great, I'll check out Wikinews in a few days...I don't have any specific questions. <font face="Kristen ITC"><font color="#ff0000">C <font color="#ff6600">T <font color="#ffff00">J <font color="#009900">F <font color="#0000ff">8 <font color="#6600cc">3 chat 02:41, 27 September 2010 (UTC)

Meg Griffin
well, the episodes themselves count as sources. no reason to add third party sources, when the episodes themselves are 100% reliable proof of it's own contend. and it seems clear you have not watched a whole lot of family guy, or you should know what i'm talking about. or, alternately, if you do know what i'm talking about, how about improving on it rather them, rather then getting off on reverting other people's posts whenever you can. all i am trying to do is add something that is significantly lacking in the article. i shouldn't be required to go all out of my way to figure out which episodes exactly it were, and then try to find external sources other then wikipedia to describe the contend of those episodes, including the part where they suggest Meg has Gender Identity Disorder. obviously, editing wikpidia not being a payed employment, the prerequisit for adding significant information that way becomes insanely much. yes, formally you can remove any unsourced data, but just think of how small and extremely difficult to expand wikipedia would be if everyone would just revert all others' edits unless they have a source added. that's not how it works. what people do for the most part is adding a "source needed" tag to the claim, rather then just deleting it outright.

now, for your pleasure only, since i have such a servile nature, i got you some small proof here where you can, at 1:15, hear Jesus call Meg "feller", which means boy. that's one of those implications i was talking about. that satisfy you?· <font color="DarkRed">Lygophile <font color="7700CC">has  <font color="DarkGreen">spoken  21:11, 27 September 2010 (UTC)
 * yes, and the episodes are a source. aren't episodes verifiable? come on. and just because it requires a source doesnt mean you delete everything without a source. again, wikipedia would be unviable if everyone did that. you add a source needed tag.
 * also what does jesus calling her a fellow have to do with peter? peter is not jesus.
 * it's just an example anyway. there are more episodes where something like that happen. in one, they look into the future somehow, and she's a man. a bearded man. im not sure what episode that is, i believe the one where stewie's visited by a christmas spirit or something.
 * what, you really believe i'm just making stuff up, and actually accidentally managed to find jesus agreeing with me by mere coincidence?· <font color="DarkRed">Lygophile <font color="7700CC">has  <font color="DarkGreen">spoken  22:06, 27 September 2010 (UTC)
 * that's not original research, pal. i said "implied". that's what an implication is. if she said "i have gender identity disorder" it wouldn't be an implication. that is definitely not required, there are far vaguer assertion in the article. <font color="DarkRed">Lygophile <font color="7700CC">has  <font color="DarkGreen">spoken  22:06, 27 September 2010 (UTC

Redirect
OK per my talk page. I'm at work, so I can't explain. Bearian (talk) 13:58, 28 September 2010 (UTC)

Help
No sure why My GAR (probably cause I created it as GA) doesn't show up on Good article reassessment and how to fix it please, <font face="Kristen ITC"><font color="#ff0000">C <font color="#ff6600">T <font color="#ffff00">J <font color="#009900">F <font color="#0000ff">8 <font color="#6600cc">3 chat 00:27, 2 October 2010 (UTC)
 * You started an individual assessment, which is like a regular GA review in that one user starts and finishes it. Good article reassessment only lists community reassessment pages. / ƒETCH COMMS  /  00:31, 2 October 2010 (UTC)
 * Can you work your admin magic and fix it so it is a community consensus? <font face="Kristen ITC"><font color="#ff0000">C <font color="#ff6600">T <font color="#ffff00">J <font color="#009900">F <font color="#0000ff">8 <font color="#6600cc">3 chat 02:22, 2 October 2010 (UTC)
 * I don't think it needs an admin to do, but I'm not at all familiar with the process. If I were you, I'd close the individual reassessment now, and immediately after, list it for community reassessment. / ƒETCH COMMS  /  19:59, 2 October 2010 (UTC)
 * Oh, I see now, I can't read the columns...thanks! <font face="Kristen ITC"><font color="#ff0000">C <font color="#ff6600">T <font color="#ffff00">J <font color="#009900">F <font color="#0000ff">8 <font color="#6600cc">3 chat 21:00, 2 October 2010 (UTC)

Family Guy template
I can't think of anything, other then moving the section under characters, and above production.--Ahmad123987 (talk) 21:23, 3 October 2010 (UTC)
 * Make sure you post on my current talk page, not archives....just put Seth in the production section if you must add him, it looks horrible to have a section devoted to one entry. <font face="Kristen ITC"><font color="#ff0000">C <font color="#ff6600">T <font color="#ffff00">J <font color="#009900">F <font color="#0000ff">8 <font color="#6600cc">3 chat 21:25, 3 October 2010 (UTC)

Re:BS
Thanks, I appreciate the recognition.

Feel free to add photos to the articles that I write concerning Davenport. I doubt I will be able to do so any time soon. Farragutful (talk) 20:19, 6 October 2010 (UTC)

Pictures
Feel like going on a road trip? I'd like some pictures along U.S. Route 30. My goal is to get US 30 to FA.
 * Gateway Bridge (Illinois-Iowa) (either from the library or from Riverview Drive)
 * If you can recreate this picture, that would be great. This picture has a big fat ©, plus the bridge is blue now. –Fredddie™ 05:31, 8 October 2010 (UTC)
 * Sure <font face="Kristen ITC"><font color="#ff0000">C <font color="#ff6600">T <font color="#ffff00">J <font color="#009900">F <font color="#0000ff">8 <font color="#6600cc">3 chat 11:22, 8 October 2010 (UTC)
 * US 30 / US 61 south interchange (from here)

In addition, these are the pictures from around the QCs I wanted...
 * I-74 Bridge (from the Abbey, don't know how easy that will be...)
 * Government Bridge and River Drive (from the skywalk)
 * I-280 Bridge
 * The truck-eating bridge on Harrison Street
 * U.S. Route 67 in Le Claire (anywhere near the bend)
 * Iowa Highway 22 in Buffalo
 * Illinois Route 84 (around Port Byron and Rapids City)

Anything you can do is greatly appreciated! –Fredddie™ 05:15, 7 October 2010 (UTC)
 * Sure I can get those....hopefully I can get them this weekend...if not, I'll do it as soon as possible. :) <font face="Kristen ITC"><font color="#ff0000">C <font color="#ff6600">T <font color="#ffff00">J <font color="#009900">F <font color="#0000ff">8 <font color="#6600cc">3 chat 11:27, 7 October 2010 (UTC)

Image Help
I need help linking buildings on File:Downtown Davenport.jpg like the states are linked on Template:USA imagemap with state names. I have these instructions but rather than try and spend time figuring that out, I'd like assistance, thanks, <font face="Kristen ITC"><font color="#ff0000">C <font color="#ff6600">T <font color="#ffff00">J <font color="#009900">F <font color="#0000ff">8 <font color="#6600cc">3 chat 22:18, 8 October 2010 (UTC)
 * There are resources available at commons:Commons:Image map resources that help with the creation of image maps. Regards, —  Ғяіᴆaз'§Đøøм •  Champagne?  • 8:38pm • 09:38, 9 October 2010 (UTC)
 * Ok, thanks, <font face="Kristen ITC"><font color="#ff0000">C <font color="#ff6600">T <font color="#ffff00">J <font color="#009900">F <font color="#0000ff">8 <font color="#6600cc">3 chat 11:09, 9 October 2010 (UTC)
 * You're welcome :) Regards, —  Ғяіᴆaз'§Đøøм •  Champagne?  • 9:51pm • 10:51, 11 October 2010 (UTC)

D'port Pix
Nice photos, thanks! I loved the one of the Dillon Fountain. The angle, the colors in the trees (which I realize were there before you took the picture!) were great. I have several more articles in the works. I really appreciate your help.

Sorry I didn't acknowledge your work earlier. We were in NYC over the weekend and left the computer at home. Farragutful (talk) 18:43, 12 October 2010 (UTC)
 * Oh no problem, I have NRHP Scott County, Iowa on my watchlist and check it all the time to see what you've created, or feel free to tell me which articles. Hope you had fun in NYC!! I'm dying to go there, the number one place I wanna go. <font face="Kristen ITC"><font color="#ff0000">C <font color="#ff6600">T <font color="#ffff00">J <font color="#009900">F <font color="#0000ff">8 <font color="#6600cc">3 chat 18:46, 12 October 2010 (UTC)

Need a small favor...
A while back you said if I ever needed any help to just ask so I'm asking for a small favor... I recently had a peer review of Bartow, Florida, and was given a really thorough review (I think by the same editor who recently gave a review of Davenport). The reviewer suggested I get a second opinion before I took it to GA, so I wonder if you could take a look at it. The one section I've changed since the review was Historic sections and landmarks (User:Jappalang did say that he thought there were too many lists near the end, something I agree with so I changed this section to prose). If you could take a quick look at it before I go to GA and give me your thoughts (and feel free to copyedit whatever it needs it), I would greatly appreciate it. Thanks VictorianMutant (talk) 01:50, 18 October 2010 (UTC)
 * Sure, I can gladly get to that Monday afternoon. <font face="Kristen ITC"><font color="#ff0000">C <font color="#ff6600">T <font color="#ffff00">J <font color="#009900">F <font color="#0000ff">8 <font color="#6600cc">3 chat 03:12, 18 October 2010 (UTC)
 * Take your time... not planning to nominate for GA til next week. Thanks again. VictorianMutant (talk) 05:00, 18 October 2010 (UTC)
 * Sorry didn't know you were working on it... just changed trnasportation section to prose from a list. Will leave it alone while you work on it. <font face="Verdana">Victorian<font color="#008000">Mutant (talk) 22:21, 18 October 2010 (UTC)
 * No problem, I haven't done much changing yet, so no big deal, I'll let you know when I'm done with editing it. <font face="Kristen ITC"><font color="#ff0000">C <font color="#ff6600">T <font color="#ffff00">J <font color="#009900">F <font color="#0000ff">8 <font color="#6600cc">3 chat 22:22, 18 October 2010 (UTC)
 * Ok, I'm taking a 60-90ish minute break to prepare and eat dinner, so feel free to edit whatever you need on the page. Depending how close I finish to 9pm central time, I will either finish my review before 9 or start it up after 10pm, but it will be done tonight. <font face="Kristen ITC"><font color="#ff0000">C <font color="#ff6600">T <font color="#ffff00">J <font color="#009900">F <font color="#0000ff">8 <font color="#6600cc">3 chat 23:46, 18 October 2010 (UTC)
 * Ok, I've finished my review, and posted it on the PR page, any other help for any query please don't hesitate to ask! <font face="Kristen ITC"><font color="#ff0000">C <font color="#ff6600">T <font color="#ffff00">J <font color="#009900">F <font color="#0000ff">8 <font color="#6600cc">3 chat 03:50, 19 October 2010 (UTC)

Vp
You do have some images that could work for VP but alot have noise i'n the sky or some are tilted. Spongie555 (talk) 21:43, 18 October 2010 (UTC)
 * I say that out of all of them maybe this one, File:Hose Station No. 1 (Davenport, Iowa).jpg, could pass. Spongie555 (talk) 21:51, 18 October 2010 (UTC)
 * It was one of the only ones without noise or tilt. But at VP we judge more by EV then quality. If you look at this image of yours, File:First National Bank Building (Davenport, Iowa).jpg you can see the tilt to the right. If you can get someone to help fix the tilt some images could pass VP if fixed. Spongie555 (talk) 22:00, 18 October 2010 (UTC)
 * This image has noise, File:Downtown Davenport.jpg. if it's fixed it could be a VP probably.
 * Also alot of images have trees blocking the view like in File:Davenport, Iowa City Hall.jpg. Spongie555 (talk) 22:12, 18 October 2010 (UTC)

McKinley L. Price
Flave64 was the author of the only content in that article, and he has requested that the page be deleted. Please do not remove speedy deletion tags from pages, especially when they are valid. --Slon02 (talk) 21:19, 20 October 2010 (UTC)
 * Read WP:G7 that the only substantial content to the page  I have made edits to the page. <font face="Kristen ITC"><font color="#ff0000">C <font color="#ff6600">T <font color="#ffff00">J <font color="#009900">F <font color="#0000ff">8 <font color="#6600cc">3 chat 21:20, 20 October 2010 (UTC)
 * I agree. Swarm Talk 21:22, 20 October 2010 (UTC)
 * You have not added any content to the page. Bolding a title and adding a maintenance tag does not count as adding content to the page, so he remains the sole author of that article. --Slon02 (talk) 21:27, 20 October 2010 (UTC)
 * Correct, you have only made minor edits to the page. Nothing substantial was added to the article by anyone except the original author. If you would like to preserve the content, consider moving it to User:Ctjf83/McKinley L. Price. Swarm Talk 21:33, 20 October 2010 (UTC)
 * Added infobox and sources, good enough for you? <font face="Kristen ITC"><font color="#ff0000">C <font color="#ff6600">T <font color="#ffff00">J <font color="#009900">F <font color="#0000ff">8 <font color="#6600cc">3 chat 21:34, 20 October 2010 (UTC)
 * Good enough, G7 doesn't apply anymore. --Slon02 (talk) 21:39, 20 October 2010 (UTC)


 * your latest edit to this site is not accurate. The reason both candidates are listed as Independent on that website is because it is a non partisan election. (colts12345 22:16, 20 October 2010 (UTC))  —Preceding unsigned comment added by Flave64 (talk • contribs)
 * Ok, so what is wrong with the "incumbent" mention? Please remember to sign your posts by typing ~ <font face="Kristen ITC"><font color="#ff0000">C <font color="#ff6600">T <font color="#ffff00">J <font color="#009900">F <font color="#0000ff">8 <font color="#6600cc">3 chat 22:18, 20 October 2010 (UTC)


 * It isn't inaccurate, but it is unnecessary because the fact that he is in office automatically makes him the incumbent colts12345 22:22, 20 October 2010 (UTC) —Preceding unsigned comment added by Flave64 (talk • contribs)
 * Since old mayors have pages, it is necessary to have incumbent listed...if you are unsatisfied with your signature, you can change it, to "colts12345", but please sign pages, otherwise the bot does it anyway. <font face="Kristen ITC"><font color="#ff0000">C <font color="#ff6600">T <font color="#ffff00">J <font color="#009900">F <font color="#0000ff">8 <font color="#6600cc">3 chat 22:24, 20 October 2010 (UTC)

re: List of Jeopardy! contestants
I saw you nominated the List of Jeopardy! contestants article for deletion. You may want to offer your comments in the following related ongoing discussions for deletion:
 * Articles for deletion/David Madden (Jeopardy! contestant) (2nd nomination)
 * Articles for deletion/Jerome Vered (2nd nomination)

Also, the following related discussions were recently closed as keep:
 * Articles for deletion/Frank Spangenberg
 * Articles for deletion/Brad Rutter
 * Articles for deletion/Larissa Kelly (2nd nomination)
 * Articles for deletion/Chuck Forrest

...and the following related discussions were closed as delete or merge:
 * Articles for deletion/Dan Pawson
 * Articles for deletion/Mark Lowenthal

<font color="#0083a9">Sottolacqua  (talk) 21:43, 20 October 2010 (UTC)
 * Thank you, I will participate in those. <font face="Kristen ITC"><font color="#ff0000">C <font color="#ff6600">T <font color="#ffff00">J <font color="#009900">F <font color="#0000ff">8 <font color="#6600cc">3 chat 21:45, 20 October 2010 (UTC)

Bishop Harold W. Speights
I really don't see how a Google search is relevant here, since the activities in which this guy engaged make him rather important. Plenty of nonnotable people don't qualify for speedy deletion. Nyttend (talk) 00:59, 21 October 2010 (UTC)
 * I don't understand your point. The lack of significant coverage isn't by itself a reason for speedy deletion.  Nyttend (talk) 01:04, 21 October 2010 (UTC)
 * No complaints. Nyttend (talk) 01:15, 21 October 2010 (UTC)

SP season 1
Thanks! If it is not too much of a bother, it would be nice to have all of those ratings in. Nergaal (talk) 01:48, 21 October 2010 (UTC)

Misuse
Actually the edit was rolled back for block evasion, which I would consider vandalisim. Check all the facts before you accuse me of misuse, on an uneraseable edit summary. <font face="Kristen ITC"><font color="#ff0000">C <font color="#ff6600">T <font color="#ffff00">J <font color="#009900">F <font color="#0000ff">8 <font color="#6600cc">3 chat 19:06, 21 October 2010 (UTC)
 * According what is Vandalism "block evasion" is not vandalism. I would consider is original research. <font color="#4B0082">Tb <font color="#6082B6">hotch <font color="#0F0F0F">Ta <font color="#DAA520">lk <font color="#2C1608">C. 19:10, 21 October 2010 (UTC)
 * Actually block evasion isn't even listed on that page...I guess we will have to disagree then. <font face="Kristen ITC"><font color="#ff0000">C <font color="#ff6600">T <font color="#ffff00">J <font color="#009900">F <font color="#0000ff">8 <font color="#6600cc">3 chat 19:13, 21 October 2010 (UTC)
 * I can't find the page to back this up, but I thought it was understood that content added by a blocked user was to be reverted on sight even if it was a beneficial edit. –Fredddie™ 19:21, 21 October 2010 (UTC)
 * Sounds good to me...if you find it, please post it for me. <font face="Kristen ITC"><font color="#ff0000">C <font color="#ff6600">T <font color="#ffff00">J <font color="#009900">F <font color="#0000ff">8 <font color="#6600cc">3 chat 19:24, 21 October 2010 (UTC)
 * (breaking off thread as topic seems to have shifted.) I believe the rule with banned (not blocked) users evading the ban is that their edits may be reverted on sight, regardless of its usefulness (unless the reversion would insert content otherwise not allowed by WP policies, such as defamation or false information - such reversions are not allowed).  But editors may reinstate the edit if it's either obviously helpful or if they have an independent reason for wanting the edit.  (See WP:BAN.)  It would make sense to apply a rule that is no harsher than this one to edits by blocked users, imho, since block evasion is a less serious offense than ban evasion. --Philosopher Let us reason together. 21:01, 21 October 2010 (UTC)
 * Thank you for your input and the link. Is there a place where I could propose a guideline so that blocked user may be reverted on sight too? Just WP:VP? <font face="Kristen ITC"><font color="#ff0000">C <font color="#ff6600">T <font color="#ffff00">J <font color="#009900">F <font color="#0000ff">8 <font color="#6600cc">3 chat 21:05, 21 October 2010 (UTC)
 * Yeah, probably. Or if there's a better place for it, I'm sure they can direct you to it - it's possible we have such a policy for blocked users and I've just forgotten about it... Post a link if you propose such a policy? --Philosopher Let us reason together. 21:41, 21 October 2010 (UTC)
 * Village_pump_(policy) <font face="Kristen ITC"><font color="#ff0000">C <font color="#ff6600">T <font color="#ffff00">J <font color="#009900">F <font color="#0000ff">8 <font color="#6600cc">3 chat 21:45, 21 October 2010 (UTC)
 * Thanks! --Philosopher Let us reason together. 21:50, 21 October 2010 (UTC)
 * Well your hidden note shows you understand WP:BLP so not sure why you are questioning my revert anyway...clearly saying any of those pictured men have sex with men is a violation of BLP. <font face="Kristen ITC"><font color="#ff0000">C <font color="#ff6600">T <font color="#ffff00">J <font color="#009900">F <font color="#0000ff">8 <font color="#6600cc">3 chat 20:03, 21 October 2010 (UTC)
 * You are misunderstanding the caption, nowhere it states that those men are straight men and have sex with other men. It states that men may have sex with other men and never identify themselves as G / B / T, but it states that those man have patrons, as go to gay clubs. <font color="#4B0082">Tb <font color="#6082B6">hotch <font color="#0F0F0F">Ta <font color="#DAA520">lk <font color="#2C1608">C. 20:29, 21 October 2010 (UTC)
 * What do you mean "but it states that those man have patrons, as go to gay clubs"? Your revert caption says: "Men, such as these patrons of a gay club, may never self-identify as men who have sex with men even if they engage in same-sex sexual behaviours, but researchers use the term for a variety of reasons"....it clearly implies that the pictured men have sex with men, even if they don't identify as "men who have sex with men"...clearly some straight guy could take serious offense to that accusation, thus cause BLP damage, and possible libel. <font face="Kristen ITC"><font color="#ff0000">C <font color="#ff6600">T <font color="#ffff00">J <font color="#009900">F <font color="#0000ff">8 <font color="#6600cc">3 chat 20:34, 21 October 2010 (UTC)
 * And Wikipedia will be sued, that's why BLP is a serious rule. UUU I'm so afraid. BTW, that image had been for many time and no one take it as offense as now. <font color="#4B0082">Tb <font color="#6082B6">hotch <font color="#0F0F0F">Ta <font color="#DAA520">lk <font color="#2C1608">C. 20:45, 21 October 2010 (UTC)
 * Regardless of BLP, we should only caption images with facts. For all we know, totally not-gay bro-dances are common in Tel Aviv.  We should never assume anything from a picture, ever. –Fredddie™ 22:05, 21 October 2010 (UTC)

Having 13 barnstars is bad luck, I'm sure...
Thanks, you rock!!! <font face="Verdana">Victorian<font color="#008000">Mutant (talk) 03:29, 22 October 2010 (UTC)
 * Thank you very much!! It is greatly appreciated!!....You could always give me another one to get me up to 14! :) <font face="Kristen ITC"><font color="#ff0000">C <font color="#ff6600">T <font color="#ffff00">J <font color="#009900">F <font color="#0000ff">8 <font color="#6600cc">3 chat 11:05, 22 October 2010 (UTC)

Continuous Deletion
I have one simple question following this statement: MySpace, Facebook, Twitter, LastFM, Reverbnation and other social networking sites are unreliable and unprofessional. I have always felt that Wikipedia adds a certain level of professionalism to the mix.

Now how is a band/business/anything supposed to have a reliable and solid article about them, if you keep deleting them? Ctk986 —Preceding unsigned comment added by Ctk986 (talk • contribs) 05:21, 23 October 2010 (UTC)
 * Well if they were important/notable enough they would be covered in several reliable places. Wikipedia is not a place for every band or everything in existence. That's why there are notability guidelines like WP:BAND that every article must meet, or be subject to deletion. Remember, please sign your post by typing ~ <font face="Kristen ITC"><font color="#ff0000">C <font color="#ff6600">T <font color="#ffff00">J <font color="#009900">F <font color="#0000ff">8 <font color="#6600cc">3 chat 05:26, 23 October 2010 (UTC)

Jacob Kraemer‎
I've removed the BLPPROD here, the article predates March 18, 2010, and therefore is ineligible for the process. If there really are no sources out there to verify notability for this guy, I've got absolutely no problem with a regular prod or an AfD, though. --<font color='#66dd44'>j &#9883; e deckertalk 15:23, 23 October 2010 (UTC)
 * Ok, I have no problem with that. <font face="Kristen ITC"><font color="#ff0000">C <font color="#ff6600">T <font color="#ffff00">J <font color="#009900">F <font color="#0000ff">8 <font color="#6600cc">3 chat 16:04, 23 October 2010 (UTC)

US adoption map
Hi, as you no doubt know Florida has decided not to contest the ruling striking down its adoption ban. Would you consider creating or updating the map you made to reflect that? I would do it but I don't know how. Thanks. Sapphire Steel (talk) 19:23, 24 October 2010 (UTC)
 * yes. <font face="Kristen ITC"><font color="#ff0000">C <font color="#ff6600">T <font color="#ffff00">J <font color="#009900">F <font color="#0000ff">8 <font color="#6600cc">3 chat 19:44, 24 October 2010 (UTC)

HELPING <font face="Verdana"><font color="DarkGreen">Rife Ideas (a newbie)
You caught me! I was just going to look at your editing to learn but you must have some detection device (bot I think) that sees I was here so I decided to leave a note.

As you may know from Philosopher's page I am a real newbie to Wiki editing. thanks for confirming what I thought about the using pictures from the web unfortunately I used the "Free Image Search Tool" which included flickr.com to no avail. I had thought about contacting you for help as a possible mentor and this gives me the opportunity to do so. I have about a 100 questions but I will start with these:

I have been working on my own user and discussion pages to learn how to format and edit (take a look) but I spent way to much time trying to determine how to set the WikiProject Iowa box to the right side of my user page leaving the text to the left side of the page (with no success I ended up defaulting to many line breaks to bring the text to below the box instead of leaving the text on the right side of the box). How is that achieved? Also can I set up some kind of template on the right side of my page for future banner boxes?

Also how do I set what I would call text boxes into the edit (like your red talk page stalker box)? I looked at the editing and have some grasp of how it is accomplished I just am looking for a Wiki info page (other than Wiki markup)to give me more details especially if I want something more than just centered. And since I can see the need in the near future for some kind of archival mechanism like you and Philosopher have I might as well get that established. Again I looked at the editing for your archive and can see a need for me to have more documentation.

I am assuming that these discussion pages are what wiki editors use instead of an email system, am I correct?

My last question (for this post haha) is currently I have to copy and paste in my personalized userID/talk code is there a way to make a "hot key" shortcut?

<font face="Verdana"><font color="DarkGreen">Rife Ideas Talk 21:01, 24 October 2010 (UTC)
 * If you ever have any questions, feel more than free to message me and ask. To put the userbox on the right side, put above the userbox and  below it. Then any additional userboxes you want, just put them above.
 * Too get a red box like my stalker just put at the top, or if you want it just to appear when an editor edits the page, like User talk:Ctjf83/Editnotice, put your note in User talk:RifeIdeas/Editnotice, you can just use mine as a guide on how to make one.
 * Check Help:Wiki markup for markup help.
 * User:MiszaBot/Archive HowTo has instructions on how to set up auto archive, if you need help, let me know and I can do it for you.
 * Ya, talk pages are the main form of communication on Wikipedia. Everyone will always be able to see anything you add, so for more private matters, you can e-mail a user.
 * To sign your posts just type ~ . If you click on "my preferences" at the top, scroll down to signature and add <font face="Verdana"><font color="DarkGreen">Rife Ideas Talk Which is your current signature. Then check the "Treat the above as wiki markup" box and it should work. Any more questions, feel free to ask. <font face="Kristen ITC"><font color="#ff0000">C <font color="#ff6600">T <font color="#ffff00">J <font color="#009900">F <font color="#0000ff">8 <font color="#6600cc">3  chat 21:20, 24 October 2010 (UTC)


 * Thanks for the Kraig Paulsen picture I had not done any work on his site yet (learning curve) but I did move your post on my site to the Kraig Paulsen heading I had already made and eliminated the header you had put there (duplication). Did you do a search for Deborah Berry? You may be better at it than me. I do want to learn how this picture finding works (legally)
 * I want to understand exactly how this posting works. You posted on my site and that is good if I put this edit below your post (on my site) will you know? To be safe I plan to post both on my talk page and yours. (duplication I know) <font face="Verdana"><font color="DarkGreen">Rife Ideas Talk 21:36, 24 October 2010 (UTC)
 * Your talk page is on my watchlist, so I'll see any posts you make. There are no useable images of Deborah on Flickr. <font face="Kristen ITC"><font color="#ff0000">C <font color="#ff6600">T <font color="#ffff00">J <font color="#009900">F <font color="#0000ff">8 <font color="#6600cc">3 chat 21:56, 24 October 2010 (UTC)

Undoing addition
I was pointing out an error about why the Sistine Chapel exists in the first alternate universe that Brian and Stewie go to in "Road to the Multiverse" Family Guy episode, and was a rhetorical question, not meaning for it to be a "forum". —Preceding unsigned comment added by TyVulpine (talk • contribs) 21:27, 25 October 2010 (UTC)
 * Ok...well like many animated shows, there is lots of continuity errors, so no real reason why it existed. <font face="Kristen ITC"><font color="#ff0000">C <font color="#ff6600">T <font color="#ffff00">J <font color="#009900">F <font color="#0000ff">8 <font color="#6600cc">3 chat 21:34, 25 October 2010 (UTC)

List of The Simpsons Treehouse of Horror episodes
Please weigh in on Talk:List of The Simpsons Treehouse of Horror episodes, so we can generate a consensus. Thanks, Fixblor (talk) 09:24, 27 October 2010 (UTC)

re: Edit request - condense Criticism and Controversy section
Thanks again for your assistance and please have a look at the revised section. Most of the original portion was dedicated to examples that went into too much detail for a summary, so the revision is considerably shorter. If you feel it's too brief I can add some content by expanding upon the references. 96.252.169.163 (talk) 05:59, 27 October 2010 (UTC)
 * A slight expansion would be good...ideally it should summarize every section at Criticism of Family Guy <font face="Kristen ITC"><font color="#ff0000">C <font color="#ff6600">T <font color="#ffff00">J <font color="#009900">F <font color="#0000ff">8 <font color="#6600cc">3 chat 06:10, 27 October 2010 (UTC)
 * A summary around the length of the image would probably be good. <font face="Kristen ITC"><font color="#ff0000">C <font color="#ff6600">T <font color="#ffff00">J <font color="#009900">F <font color="#0000ff">8 <font color="#6600cc">3 chat 06:28, 27 October 2010 (UTC)
 * Done...well, more or less. I got it up to the length of the image, but then I noticed some unsourced info and dead links which I took out. The result is a bit shorter but I think it gives an adequate summary - the only thing left to "pad" it with would be the aforementioned specific details which belong on the dedicated article, not the summary. The image itself could actually be moved to the criticism article as well, but someone else can make that call. It's at least as relevant to the parent article as a portrait of Dwayne Johnson, anyway.
 * Thanks again for all your help, and I'm getting some sleep so I'll check back here in a day or so. Cheers! 96.252.169.163 (talk) 08:42, 27 October 2010 (UTC)
 * Looks good, I might slightly expand it...but before I do anything, can you make sure everything on the Family Guy page is listed on the criticism page? For example the parts on Quagmire's Dad and 420 (Family Guy) aren't listed on the criticism page, and I don't want to completely remove them with your shortened version. <font face="Kristen ITC"><font color="#ff0000">C <font color="#ff6600">T <font color="#ffff00">J <font color="#009900">F <font color="#0000ff">8 <font color="#6600cc">3 chat 17:02, 27 October 2010 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Middle Barton F.C.
I've just noticed your closure of Articles for deletion/Middle Barton F.C. as a keep due to the club supposedly meeting WP:NFOOTBALL. This guideline only refers to people within the sport (players, managers, referees etc), not the clubs themselves. Bearing this in mind, you may wish to reconsider your decision as I believe this was an incorrect closure. <span style="font-family: Segoe Print, sans-serif;text-shadow:grey 0.4em 0.4em 0.4em"> Bettia  (talk)  09:21, 27 October 2010 (UTC)
 * I changed the keep reason...is that to your satisfaction, or do you want me to remove the close all together, I realize you are delete voter. <font face="Kristen ITC"><font color="#ff0000">C <font color="#ff6600">T <font color="#ffff00">J <font color="#009900">F <font color="#0000ff">8 <font color="#6600cc">3 chat 16:49, 27 October 2010 (UTC)

So...
How's everything? I haven't stopped by in a while, so I figured I'd just stop in to say "Hi!". Best, Rob R OBERT M FROM LI  TALK/CNTRB 20:46, 27 October 2010 (UTC)
 * Hi! LOL, everything is going pretty good...how about you? <font face="Kristen ITC"><font color="#ff0000">C <font color="#ff6600">T <font color="#ffff00">J <font color="#009900">F <font color="#0000ff">8 <font color="#6600cc">3 chat 20:48, 27 October 2010 (UTC)
 * Doing wonderfully, and keeping myself busy with HelpDesk, some AN/I stuff and my adoptees. :-) Fun times! Best, Rob R OBERT M FROM LI  TALK/CNTRB 21:15, 27 October 2010 (UTC)

This!
BTW, is there a reason you don't have the mop? You seem like a good candidate... Sven Manguard <sub style="text-shadow:#ffd700 0.14em 0.14em 0.14em"><b style="color:black;">Talk</b>  07:00, 28 October 2010 (UTC)


 * I'd like to say "I'd vote for you"... so, what the heck? Guess I'll say it: I'd vote for you. :-) R OBERT M FROM LI  TALK/CNTRB 07:06, 28 October 2010 (UTC)
 * Thanks for the barnstar!!! Per the advice of my council User:Bearian, he is going to nominate me after Thanksgiving...let my block from February die down a bit more. LOL, Robert you gotta do it when it counts! :) <font face="Kristen ITC"><font color="#ff0000">C <font color="#ff6600">T <font color="#ffff00">J <font color="#009900">F <font color="#0000ff">8 <font color="#6600cc">3 chat 11:21, 28 October 2010 (UTC)
 * Well that is good. I know that there are rules about canvassing, but if I ask you to remind me about this thread, I don't think there will be much of a problem. I might not be around on Thanksgiving though, as from the 21st through the 29th, I will be in a location without internet access. I wonder if I can vote by proxy? Either way, please send me a note on my talk page after your RfA begins 'reminding me that I wanted to be reminded of this'. I'll make sure to support you if I have internet access. Keep up the good work, Sven Manguard  <sub style="text-shadow:#ffd700 0.14em 0.14em 0.14em"><b style="color:black;">Talk</b>  18:32, 28 October 2010 (UTC)
 * I sure will! Thanks for your (future) support! They last a week, so starting anytime after T-giving will have it run til after the 29th. :) <font face="Kristen ITC"><font color="#ff0000">C <font color="#ff6600">T <font color="#ffff00">J <font color="#009900">F <font color="#0000ff">8 <font color="#6600cc">3 chat 18:35, 28 October 2010 (UTC)
 * Good, very good. (cue maniacal laughter) Sven Manguard  <sub style="text-shadow:#ffd700 0.14em 0.14em 0.14em"><b style="color:black;">Talk</b>  23:45, 28 October 2010 (UTC)
 * [[File:Evil laugh 2.oga]]

Walter Cooper (doctor)
Hi, thanks for closing this article as "keep". Would you mind if I redirected the article to Walter Cooper (scientist) or Walter Cooper (chemist)? He is a PhD chemist, not a physician, so I think the term "doctor" could be confusing here. --MelanieN (talk) 04:07, 30 October 2010 (UTC)
 * Sure, I have no concerns with that. <font face="Kristen ITC"><font color="#ff0000">C <font color="#ff6600">T <font color="#ffff00">J <font color="#009900">F <font color="#0000ff">8 <font color="#6600cc">3 chat 11:16, 30 October 2010 (UTC)
 * Thanks - done. --MelanieN (talk) 15:04, 30 October 2010 (UTC)

Wupperman Block/Old City Hall
Yes, you are currect. The Wupperman Block is the check cashing/ liquor store and the old city hall is the non-discript building up the hill. That tower was probably removed 100 years ago.

I hope I'm not getting back to you too late I was in DC this afternoon for the Stewart/Colbert rally. Farragutful (talk) 01:34, 31 October 2010 (UTC)
 * Oh ya, there was no rush to get back to me...I'm hoping for sunny skies tomorrow so I can take more pics. <font face="Kristen ITC"><font color="#ff0000">C <font color="#ff6600">T <font color="#ffff00">J <font color="#009900">F <font color="#0000ff">8 <font color="#6600cc">3 chat 01:54, 31 October 2010 (UTC)

Picture
I have actually never took a FP picture. I think you should ask someone else on this one. Spongie555 (talk) 01:55, 1 November 2010 (UTC)
 * You should ask User:Muhammad Mahdi Karim, he has alot of FP maybe he could help you. Also you should try picture peer review if your unsure of an image. Spongie555 (talk) 02:11, 1 November 2010 (UTC)

Comment
Please comment, thanks, <font face="Kristen ITC"><font color="#ff0000">C <font color="#ff6600">T <font color="#ffff00">J <font color="#009900">F <font color="#0000ff">8 <font color="#6600cc">3 chat 21:04, 2 November 2010 (UTC)
 * I won't. I have my reasons for keep an image, but seem like you make another consensus. <font color="#4B0082">Tb <font color="#6082B6">hotch <font color="#0F0F0F">Ta <font color="#DAA520">lk <font color="#2C1608">C. 21:05, 2 November 2010 (UTC)
 * Ok, <font face="Kristen ITC"><font color="#ff0000">C <font color="#ff6600">T <font color="#ffff00">J <font color="#009900">F <font color="#0000ff">8 <font color="#6600cc">3 chat 21:08, 2 November 2010 (UTC)

Come back after your break
We'll miss you! Bearian (talk) 13:36, 12 November 2010 (UTC)


 * Thank you very much! It's people like you two that will make my break very short! :) <font face="Kristen ITC"><font color="#ff0000">C <font color="#ff6600">T <font color="#ffff00">J <font color="#009900">F <font color="#0000ff">8 <font color="#6600cc">3  chat 23:28, 12 November 2010 (UTC)

Voting in Iowa
Also, a discussion at WT:IOWA/G on what format to record votes in in the biography articles. --Philosopher Let us reason together. 15:53, 12 November 2010 (UTC)

2 uses for same data
If you get a chance look on Philosopher's talk page heading WikiProject Iowa * * * Iowa House Senators and Representatives * *  for a lengthy discussion I left for him about this whole subject.

AND I hope you do return as a regular Wiki editor, being a newbie you sure did help me get a good start.<font face="Verdana"><font color="DarkGreen">Rife Ideas Talk  01:22, 13 November 2010 (UTC)
 * Thank you, with the positive response I've received about my break, I doubt it'll last long :) <font face="Kristen ITC"><font color="#ff0000">C <font color="#ff6600">T <font color="#ffff00">J <font color="#009900">F <font color="#0000ff">8 <font color="#6600cc">3 chat 02:55, 13 November 2010 (UTC)

Be happy!

 * Thank you very much! Your positive encouragement is greatly appreciated!! <font face="Kristen ITC"><font color="#ff0000">C <font color="#ff6600">T <font color="#ffff00">J <font color="#009900">F <font color="#0000ff">8 <font color="#6600cc">3 chat 00:53, 13 November 2010 (UTC)

I have no idea what happened but...
as far as I can see, you were extremely helpful recently. Despite the fact that (at least I thought) we initially disagreed on my request, your comments were very constructive and helped me compromise to reach a consensus. You then went WAY out of your way to help me in my edit request, and I appreciate it! 96.228.129.74 (talk) 16:12, 13 November 2010 (UTC)
 * Oh, no problem, feel free to come to me for future edit requests. <font face="Kristen ITC"><font color="#ff0000">C <font color="#ff6600">T <font color="#ffff00">J <font color="#009900">F <font color="#0000ff">8 <font color="#6600cc">3 chat 19:17, 14 November 2010 (UTC)

thanks!
Thanks for the barnstar, chief! Always nice to hear that someone appreciates how I waste my time in life ;) DP 76764  (Talk) 04:44, 17 November 2010 (UTC)
 * I hear ya on the waste my life! :) <font face="Kristen ITC"><font color="#ff0000">C <font color="#ff6600">T <font color="#ffff00">J <font color="#009900">F <font color="#0000ff">8 <font color="#6600cc">3 chat 22:30, 17 November 2010 (UTC)

Re: Barnstar
Thanks much! Was that for anything in particular, or just the hell of it? Either way, much appreciated. :D —  Hun ter   Ka  hn  05:27, 17 November 2010 (UTC)
 * No, I just was upset and took a 4 day break, and 4 people commented positively on it, on my talk page, so I figured I'd share the appreciation to everyone on my watchlist! :) <font face="Kristen ITC"><font color="#ff0000">C <font color="#ff6600">T <font color="#ffff00">J <font color="#009900">F <font color="#0000ff">8 <font color="#6600cc">3 chat 22:30, 17 November 2010 (UTC)

Thanks, mate! I appreciate it. Zagal e jo^^^ 05:47, 17 November 2010 (UTC)

Kahn and Zag already said it all Thanks CTj <font face="Verdana"><font color="DarkGreen">Rife Ideas Talk  07:12, 17 November 2010 (UTC)

This is one of the little things that makes wikipedia attract contributions, little attentions like this. Thank you very much and keep up the positive attitude! Nergaal (talk) 07:15, 17 November 2010 (UTC)
 * Everyone is welcome! <font face="Kristen ITC"><font color="#ff0000">C <font color="#ff6600">T <font color="#ffff00">J <font color="#009900">F <font color="#0000ff">8 <font color="#6600cc">3 chat 22:30, 17 November 2010 (UTC)

disclaimers
you have already been asked by two editors to stop adding disclaimers. if you personally find the image offensive, objectionable or otherwise inappropriate, you may challenge it and attempt to have it removed from the article and/or wikipedia altogether. however, you may not add disclaimers. thanks for you cooperation. cheers! --emerson7 02:08, 18 November 2010 (UTC)

Re: BS
Thanks. That rather cheered me up last night. / edg ☺ ☭ 16:52, 17 November 2010 (UTC)
 * Yes, what he everyone above said. Sven Manguard  <sub style="text-shadow:#ffd700 0.14em 0.14em 0.14em"><b style="color:black;">Talk</b>  19:28, 17 November 2010 (UTC)
 * Pile on thanks... :) <font face="Verdana">Victorian<font color="#008000">Mutant (Talk) 20:22, 17 November 2010 (UTC)
 * Everyone is welcome! <font face="Kristen ITC"><font color="#ff0000">C <font color="#ff6600">T <font color="#ffff00">J <font color="#009900">F <font color="#0000ff">8 <font color="#6600cc">3 chat 22:30, 17 November 2010 (UTC)
 * Thank you. :D. --<font color="Orange">Pedro J. the rookie 23:42, 17 November 2010 (UTC)

I have to admit, when I saw the header, I was a tad worried. But, thank you very much. -- Scorpion <sup style="color:black;">0422  18:26, 18 November 2010 (UTC)
 * hehe, I'll fix the heading in future barnstars! <font face="Kristen ITC"><font color="#ff0000">C <font color="#ff6600">T <font color="#ffff00">J <font color="#009900">F <font color="#0000ff">8 <font color="#6600cc">3 chat 21:14, 18 November 2010 (UTC)

Glee
Thanks for your note on the Brittany Pierce page. I put it on the Santana Lopez page. I thought I was right.<font color="Green">Vchimpanzee ·  talk  ·  contributions  · 23:02, 18 November 2010 (UTC)
 * You're welcome. <font face="Kristen ITC"><font color="#ff0000">C <font color="#ff6600">T <font color="#ffff00">J <font color="#009900">F <font color="#0000ff">8 <font color="#6600cc">3 chat 20:57, 19 November 2010 (UTC)

BS
THanks for the BS! I've been too busy to do much WP the past few weeks. When the ground freezes I'm sure I will try again. History of Iowa needs a lot of help... Bill Whittaker (talk) 01:27, 21 November 2010 (UTC)
 * Sure thing! Let me know what help you need on here. <font face="Kristen ITC"><font color="#ff0000">C <font color="#ff6600">T <font color="#ffff00">J <font color="#009900">F <font color="#0000ff">8 <font color="#6600cc">3 chat 01:31, 21 November 2010 (UTC)

Peacock
The article was reverted because "Teenage Dream" [CD] was released on August 24, 2010, with all songs being released separately on Amazon on the same date. None of the tracks were released as singles at the time, excluding California Gurls and Teenage Dream. Pedro João [talk] 17:54, 26 November 2010 (UTC)


 * Firework was released as a single in October 26. Peacock along with all the tracks of the album are available alone. This happens with all albums. Pedro João [talk] 18:16, 26 November 2010 (UTC)

Time of year to Give Thanks

 * Can I "Like" this? Bad Facebook humor, I know.  Leaving now. --Philosopher Let us reason together. via alternate account 00:30, 28 November 2010 (UTC)
 * LMFAO, ya, let's propose a "like" button for Wikipedia! Incorporate it with Facebook's extreme popularity! <font face="Kristen ITC"><font color="#ff0000">C <font color="#ff6600">T <font color="#ffff00">J <font color="#009900">F <font color="#0000ff">8 <font color="#6600cc">3 chat 04:54, 28 November 2010 (UTC)

User:Cesarabad
Hey please delete vandalismo User:Cesarabad this is a page that has no relevance —Preceding unsigned comment added by Cesarabad2abad (talk • contribs) 21:08, 3 December 2010 (UTC)
 * Sorry, I'm not an admin, and can't delete anything. <font face="Kristen ITC"><font color="#ff0000">C <font color="#ff6600">T <font color="#ffff00">J <font color="#009900">F <font color="#0000ff">8 <font color="#6600cc">3 chat 05:13, 4 December 2010 (UTC)

NRHP in Scott County
I've completed almost all the pages I have sources for except the Davenport Village, of which I've never heard it called that (ever), a couple of apartment buildings and a couple of buildings on W. 3rd St. that I want to look at myself. I should have a little time while I'm in the QCs in a couple of weeks. Do you want me to write "stubs" for the remaining pages? And by a stub I mean bare bones; one or two sentences at most that basically says it exists and is on the NRHP. I realize some of the other pages I have written are a little more than stubs, but they do provide some information about the place.

In regard to the "Davenport Village" I see no reason to call the page by that title seeing as it's called the Village of East Davenport. The Village, however, has a redirect page to the Neighborhoods of Davenport, Iowa page, and I don't know how to handle that. Any thoughts you have on this would be greatly appreciated. Farragutful (talk) 23:42, 1 December 2010 (UTC)
 * I would greatly appreciate if you created a stub on every property, if you want. I think even a short stub is better than nothing, and I like reading up on them. I'll get some pictures soon for the pictureless ones. As far as Village of East Davenport, I would say change the name to that, and you can just expand the redirect out and create an article from it. I've never, ever heard it called Davenport Village, so WP:COMMONNAME applies in my opinion. Thanks for all your hard work! <font face="Kristen ITC"><font color="#ff0000">C <font color="#ff6600">T <font color="#ffff00">J <font color="#009900">F <font color="#0000ff">8 <font color="#6600cc">3 chat 23:47, 1 December 2010 (UTC)
 * I'm not sure what to do in regard to the redirect. I've been searching for over an hour now.  Help! Farragutful (talk) 18:21, 4 December 2010 (UTC)
 * Huh? In the above post I said you can just expand out the redirect to an article. <font face="Kristen ITC"><font color="#ff0000">C <font color="#ff6600">T <font color="#ffff00">J <font color="#009900">F <font color="#0000ff">8 <font color="#6600cc">3 chat 19:41, 4 December 2010 (UTC)

Patrolling BLP articles
Hi there, please do not mark new BLP articles as being patrolled as being OK if they are completely unreferenced, as you did here. Article creators MUST be informed that UBLPs are no longer acceptable. Regards, The-Pope (talk) 11:53, 4 December 2010 (UTC)
 * Ok, thanks for the heads up. <font face="Kristen ITC"><font color="#ff0000">C <font color="#ff6600">T <font color="#ffff00">J <font color="#009900">F <font color="#0000ff">8 <font color="#6600cc">3 chat 19:38, 4 December 2010 (UTC)

Recent AFD
I'm not sure you're supposed to do a non-admin closure to an AFD in which you participated. I have no objection, obviously, but I thought I'd bring it up since I wouldn't want you to run afoul of some admin in a more contentious case. --Nuujinn (talk) 19:04, 5 December 2010 (UTC)
 * Thanks, good point, after I did it, I wasn't sure I should have. thanks! <font face="Kristen ITC"><font color="#ff0000">C <font color="#ff6600">T <font color="#ffff00">J <font color="#009900">F <font color="#0000ff">8 <font color="#6600cc">3 chat 19:05, 5 December 2010 (UTC)
 * The admin who did the deletion should have done the close at the same time, he must have forgotten to do so. I don't think there is any real problem because the close did not require any interpretation of the debate due to the article already having been deleted. The one problem I saw was that you re-created the talk page with a notice that the article had been deleted. Once an article is deleted generally there is no more talk page for it. I went ahead and re-deleted it. Beeblebrox (talk) 19:17, 5 December 2010 (UTC)
 * The above user was talking about this. But thanks for deleting the talk page of the A3 deletion close I did. <font face="Kristen ITC"><font color="#ff0000">C <font color="#ff6600">T <font color="#ffff00">J <font color="#009900">F <font color="#0000ff">8 <font color="#6600cc">3 chat 19:20, 5 December 2010 (UTC)
 * Oops. That's what I get for assuming. Beeblebrox (talk) 19:23, 5 December 2010 (UTC)
 * No problem :) <font face="Kristen ITC"><font color="#ff0000">C <font color="#ff6600">T <font color="#ffff00">J <font color="#009900">F <font color="#0000ff">8 <font color="#6600cc">3 chat 19:24, 5 December 2010 (UTC)
 * Yes, I've also removed the AFD notice from the article and added a notice to the talk page referencing the AFD outcome. --Nuujinn (talk) 19:34, 5 December 2010 (UTC)
 * Ok, thanks, <font face="Kristen ITC"><font color="#ff0000">C <font color="#ff6600">T <font color="#ffff00">J <font color="#009900">F <font color="#0000ff">8 <font color="#6600cc">3 chat 19:36, 5 December 2010 (UTC)
 * And I restored the version of the AFD that was closed--I don't think anyone will object in this case, but if they do, it'll be ok since we'll both be in trouble. (--Nuujinn (talk) 19:38, 5 December 2010 (UTC)
 * LOL, as long as we are both in trouble, I'm cool with it! :) <font face="Kristen ITC"><font color="#ff0000">C <font color="#ff6600">T <font color="#ffff00">J <font color="#009900">F <font color="#0000ff">8 <font color="#6600cc">3 chat 19:40, 5 December 2010 (UTC)

1st Governor of Iowa
I have left a lengthy question request on Talk:Ansel Briggs about the article Ansel Briggs. If you would please give me your input it would be appreciated. I also cc this message to Philosopher. I also hope you will walk me through the process of uploading a picture from flicker to Wiki commons. About 2 weeks ago I was frustrated when I spent around 2 hrs with no success. I want to do the actual upload but need your help, the picture is the Ice cream capital of the world in Le Mars, Iowa.jpg and the flicker link is http://www.flickr.com/photos/timwilson/855613727/ Thanks <font face="Verdana"><font color="DarkGreen">Rife Ideas Talk  19:25, 5 December 2010 (UTC)
 * Ok, looks like it meets the criteria at WP:FLICKR. Go to Commons and click "upload file" on the left. Select "It is someone else's work from Flickr (more information on uploading Flickr images)" Fill in the ones with question marks. You can skip "other versions" and "permissions" as permission will be shown when you link to the Flickr image in the above source section. At the bottom select the 2nd one from the drop down menu. Any more help, ask me. <font face="Kristen ITC"><font color="#ff0000">C <font color="#ff6600">T <font color="#ffff00">J <font color="#009900">F <font color="#0000ff">8 <font color="#6600cc">3 chat 19:30, 5 December 2010 (UTC)

I am pretty sure except for the jpg question and Licensing. Is all okay? I await your answer. And Whaaaa I wanted to make the changes to theAnsel Briggs and Talk:Ansel Briggs pages LOL Thanks for the picture, I will have to see how to search for pictures more effectively as I thought I checked Commons. What did you think of the article? <font face="Verdana"><font color="DarkGreen">Rife Ideas Talk  20:54, 5 December 2010 (UTC)
 * In the Destination filename I put Le Mars Visitor Center Sign.jpg ( .jpg is the right file name for a JPEG correct? )
 * In the Original source I put http://www.flickr.com/photos/timwilson/855613727/
 * In the  Author(s) I put TimWatson
 * In the Description I put  
 * In the Other versions I skipped per your instructions
 * In the Permission I skipped per your instructions
 * In the Additional info I skipped (correct ? )
 * In the Licensing I put Uploaded to Flicker under Creative Commons Attribution ShareAlike 2.0 (correct ? )
 * In the Catagories I put Signs Iowa Ice cream Cities in Iowa
 * That all looks good...I'm sure you meant TimWilson...and I'd put "TimWilson from Flickr". The article looks good, you did a great job improving it. <font face="Kristen ITC"><font color="#ff0000">C <font color="#ff6600">T <font color="#ffff00">J <font color="#009900">F <font color="#0000ff">8 <font color="#6600cc">3 chat 21:08, 5 December 2010 (UTC)
 * Commons does have some tools for automating uploads from Flickr. The one I use creates the information template and categories for me. –Fredddie™ 23:30, 5 December 2010 (UTC)
 * Oh really? Cool, what's it called? <font face="Kristen ITC"><font color="#ff0000">C <font color="#ff6600">T <font color="#ffff00">J <font color="#009900">F <font color="#0000ff">8 <font color="#6600cc">3 chat 23:31, 5 December 2010 (UTC)
 * Flinfo –Fredddie™ 23:56, 5 December 2010 (UTC)
 * Cool, thanks <font face="Kristen ITC"><font color="#ff0000">C <font color="#ff6600">T <font color="#ffff00">J <font color="#009900">F <font color="#0000ff">8 <font color="#6600cc">3 chat 00:50, 6 December 2010 (UTC)

Help
helpme How do I temporarily hide the categories on my user page? I don't like them on my short hidden user page, they look out of place. <font face="Kristen ITC"><font color="#ff0000">C <font color="#ff6600">T <font color="#ffff00">J <font color="#009900">F <font color="#0000ff">8 <font color="#6600cc">3 chat 02:05, 8 December 2010 (UTC)
 * Just put 'em in a hidden comment. ;) Best,  HJ Mitchell  &#124;  Penny for your thoughts?   02:08, 8 December 2010 (UTC)
 * How? They come from userboxes, and I don't want to hide the userboxes, just the categories...possible? <font face="Kristen ITC"><font color="#ff0000">C <font color="#ff6600">T <font color="#ffff00">J <font color="#009900">F <font color="#0000ff">8 <font color="#6600cc">3 chat 02:12, 8 December 2010 (UTC)
 * If the userboxen were created by clever people, then |cat=no will remove you from the cat. That's unlikely to work on most, though.That's the only thing I can think of. There might be a script that hides them for you but not everyone else, but I haven't got a clue where. Sorry. HJ Mitchell  &#124;  Penny for your thoughts?   02:33, 8 December 2010 (UTC)
 * Ok, thanks, not a huge deal. <font face="Kristen ITC"><font color="#ff0000">C <font color="#ff6600">T <font color="#ffff00">J <font color="#009900">F <font color="#0000ff">8 <font color="#6600cc">3 chat 02:39, 8 December 2010 (UTC)

I'm going to try something, tell me if it works. Mr R00t  Talk      'tribs  02:51, 8 December 2010 (UTC)
 * Ok <font face="Kristen ITC"><font color="#ff0000">C <font color="#ff6600">T <font color="#ffff00">J <font color="#009900">F <font color="#0000ff">8 <font color="#6600cc">3 chat 03:05, 8 December 2010 (UTC)
 * I'm headed to work, so please help if someone knows how, thanks, <font face="Kristen ITC"><font color="#ff0000">C <font color="#ff6600">T <font color="#ffff00">J <font color="#009900">F <font color="#0000ff">8 <font color="#6600cc">3 chat 03:12, 8 December 2010 (UTC)
 * You can substitute the user boxes, then manually remove the categories.--Fuhghettaboutit (talk) 13:06, 8 December 2010 (UTC)
 * Ok, cool....sounds like too much work (it's not a huge deal they appear) Thanks though!! <font face="Kristen ITC"><font color="#ff0000">C <font color="#ff6600">T <font color="#ffff00">J <font color="#009900">F <font color="#0000ff">8 <font color="#6600cc">3 chat 13:07, 8 December 2010 (UTC)

New division of Project Iowa
Hey there, I am leaving this message manually on your talk page in hopes that you have bot privileges or know someone else who can place it on all of the Project Iowa members talk pages. Being Philosopher is busy with school, I did not want to bother him. -- Rife Ideas  Talk  00:42, 11 December 2010 (UTC) <div style="width:80%;float:center; border-style:solid; border-color:blue; background-color:#F5FFFA; border-width:1px; text-align:left; padding:8px;" class="plainlinks"> '''GOOD NEWS The division of WikiProject Iowa called WikiProject Iowa/Communities has been activated.  -- Rife Ideas  Talk ''' 00:42, 11 December 2010 (UTC)
 * Oh hey, just got back from Chicago...umm, you can try WP:AWB to add it, but I find it somewhat hard to use, otherwise not sure how to add it to lots of pages easily. <font face="Kristen ITC"><font color="#ff0000">C <font color="#ff6600">T <font color="#ffff00">J <font color="#009900">F <font color="#0000ff">8 <font color="#6600cc">3 chat 01:03, 12 December 2010 (UTC)

Semi-protected
Hey, I've semi-protected your talk page for a few days because of all the vandalism :( Anemone  Projectors  01:49, 15 December 2010 (UTC)
 * Ok, thank you for keeping an eye on me :) <font face="Kristen ITC"><font color="#ff0000">C <font color="#ff6600">T <font color="#ffff00">J <font color="#009900">F <font color="#0000ff">8 <font color="#6600cc">3 chat 01:50, 15 December 2010 (UTC)
 * You fly that flag with pride :) Anemone  Projectors  01:52, 15 December 2010 (UTC)
 * Thank you, so very much, I have to keep reminding myself there are good people out there, and on here! :-D <font face="Kristen ITC"><font color="#ff0000">C <font color="#ff6600">T <font color="#ffff00">J <font color="#009900">F <font color="#0000ff">8 <font color="#6600cc">3 chat 01:53, 15 December 2010 (UTC)

Keep up the good work, young man
Don't let the bastards grind you down. If you need help, just holler for J. Edgar Vekilnik, Jr. (talk) 02:01, 15 December 2010 (UTC)
 * Thank you so very much, it's nice to see some people are nice and considerate, thanks again! :) <font face="Kristen ITC"><font color="#ff0000">C <font color="#ff6600">T <font color="#ffff00">J <font color="#009900">F <font color="#0000ff">8 <font color="#6600cc">3 chat 02:07, 15 December 2010 (UTC)

Uh...
The vast number of IPs getting all het up on the task force page raised my suspicions, and a Google search confirmed that we're being over-run by a bunch of angry anons. I'm fairly sure there's a related AfD template about such discussions not being a !vote and to please read the related policies/guidelines, but I don't know where to find it, do you have any idea? (If you don't want to read the crazy, apparently we're all "Pucktana" shippers trying to oppress the poor Brittana fans. lolforever.) <font face="Courier New">Frickative 23:31, 16 December 2010 (UTC)
 * Ugh. Ridiculous. The template is Template:Not a ballot, I believe? Yves (talk) 23:37, 16 December 2010 (UTC)
 * Thanks Yves, that's the one! I'll add it under the section header, then try to back off the discussion for a day or so until normalcy resumes. (The part of this silliness most amusing me is the fact that Brittany/Santana are actually probably my favourite Glee pairing...) <font face="Courier New">Frickative 23:48, 16 December 2010 (UTC)
 * Oh, you beat me to it, thanks! <font face="Courier New">Frickative 23:48, 16 December 2010 (UTC)
 * LOL, sorry, it was my 12 hour work day, glad Yves is a stalker! :) We know that the IPs are just weighing because of the link you provided, we can ignore them and just weigh in legitimate discussion, and if necessary, have the page protected till the heat dies down....lol, that's awesome Frickative they are your favorite pairing! :-D I'm hoping for Kurt and Blaine! <font face="Kristen ITC"><font color="#ff0000">C <font color="#ff6600">T <font color="#ffff00">J <font color="#009900">F <font color="#0000ff">8 <font color="#6600cc">3 chat 12:47, 17 December 2010 (UTC)
 * Kurt and Blaine are cute but I don't think they should be a couple; it's not what Kurt needs at this point. And yeah I did, Frickative; sorry I forgot to mention that here. It is a good idea to wait until the IPs get bored and leave or something. Yves (talk) 19:13, 17 December 2010 (UTC)
 * Hmm, I think Kurt needs to feel loved right now. :) <font face="Kristen ITC"><font color="#ff0000">C <font color="#ff6600">T <font color="#ffff00">J <font color="#009900">F <font color="#0000ff">8 <font color="#6600cc">3 chat 22:16, 17 December 2010 (UTC)
 * I agree, but not in that way. Yves (talk) 22:53, 17 December 2010 (UTC)

Thank you
Thank you so very much for voting to redirect New Kidney in Town. Now that the discussion has been closed for three days, plot information, as it always is, has been released for the episode, and I am now not allowed to recreate the article. Thank you. Gage (talk) 04:57, 17 December 2010 (UTC)
 * Says who? Obviously a plot should be more than enough for a stub. <font face="Kristen ITC"><font color="#ff0000">C <font color="#ff6600">T <font color="#ffff00">J <font color="#009900">F <font color="#0000ff">8 <font color="#6600cc">3 chat 12:42, 17 December 2010 (UTC)

Oh Christ, not him again...
RE: post from On Talk:List of Ni Hao, Kai-Lan episodes:

This guy is a pain. See the talk page of Thomas, specifically every IP edit from December 20, 2009 onwards. Also [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Administrators'_noticeboard/IncidentArchive595#Weird_situation_here. here] and here. As you can see, he's been keeping this up for over a year. The guy's either denser than lead or he's trolling. I was hoping the dumb sum'bitch has finally given up, but this appears not to be the case. If you see an IP trying to name itself Thomas with a link back to that userpage; report 'em on sight. Half Shadow  20:58, 19 December 2010 (UTC)
 * Ok, cool, thanks for the heads up <font face="Kristen ITC"><font color="#ff0000">C <font color="#ff6600">T <font color="#ffff00">J <font color="#009900">F <font color="#0000ff">8 <font color="#6600cc">3 chat 03:36, 20 December 2010 (UTC)

NRHP Scott County, Iowa
Glad to see u continuing at developing the NRHP Scott County, Iowa list-article. Can't answer ur question yet, as it would depend on how much improvement is done. I have commented in some Featured List candidacy reviews though, and this list-article seems like it has a ways to go first. There's no requirement that every entry in a list-article has to be a bluelink, but it does help to have all the articles started, like you are doing. And, I think writing out some short description of each place, for the column now labelled "Summary", would help the list-article. Probably a good intermediate step would be to request a wp:PR peer review for the list-article, once you've done some more improvement. Or u can put it up directly for wp:FLC, and get reviews there. I happen to think the peer review comments are often more friendly and helpful. Hope this helps! --doncram (talk) 18:00, 20 December 2010 (UTC)


 * I'm gonna try running an off-wiki program using the National Register's NRIS database, to draft material to add to some of the Scott County NRHP articles. In the next day or two, i'll comment at Talk:National Register of Historic Places listings in Scott County, Iowa. --doncram (talk) 20:40, 20 December 2010 (UTC)

Semi-protection?
Would you like this page semi-protected until the trolls find something else to do?  Acroterion  (talk)  23:26, 20 December 2010 (UTC)
 * Umm...I don't know, a few months ago I would have said yes without thought, but now, my attitude towards IPs has strongly improved. I'd say no at this point, because it appears to be only once a day or 2 that the user removes it. I think right now the best option is to have people watching my page, and quickly revert/block the users. One thing I'm not going to do is remove it though....you never even suggested that, just throwing it out there. :) <font face="Kristen ITC"><font color="#ff0000">C <font color="#ff6600">T <font color="#ffff00">J <font color="#009900">F <font color="#0000ff">8 <font color="#6600cc">3 chat 23:32, 20 December 2010 (UTC)
 * That's why I asked first - there are lots of watchers here, it would appear, so we can just keep lurking and grab them as they swim by.  Acroterion  (talk)  23:37, 20 December 2010 (UTC)
 * LOL, ok. In all honesty, if i was offended/upset every time i was called a faggot or queer, I'd never be happy, so it doesn't bother me at all. As a 3rd option, could the IP address (assuming it is one) be blocked from creating accounts for X amount of time? <font face="Kristen ITC"><font color="#ff0000">C <font color="#ff6600">T <font color="#ffff00">J <font color="#009900">F <font color="#0000ff">8 <font color="#6600cc">3 chat 23:40, 20 December 2010 (UTC)
 * That's what autoblock does. It wears off after a while, though. We might be able to interest a checkuser in looking at the IP pattern and see if a rangeblock is feasible.   Acroterion  (talk)  23:43, 20 December 2010 (UTC)
 * If you feel checkuser is good option, we can do that, otherwise, like I said, don't wanna make an overly big deal out of something that doesn't even really bother me. <font face="Kristen ITC"><font color="#ff0000">C <font color="#ff6600">T <font color="#ffff00">J <font color="#009900">F <font color="#0000ff">8 <font color="#6600cc">3 chat 23:44, 20 December 2010 (UTC)

Re: List of Speaker of the House~
Sorry it took awhile to get back to you about your request for clarification; tracking my edits, questions, and suggestions will get easier next month when I create an account. Meanwhile, in the section List of Speakers by state just says "California - 1", for example, not "California - Nancy Pelosi"; if it's going to stay by-the-numbers, list is inaccurate. If we're going to break them out, happy to help. Thoughts? :D 75.203.158.55 (talk) 07:02, 21 December 2010 (UTC)
 * Can you please link me to the discussion you are referring to? I'm not sure if listing all the representatives under each state is a good idea, as it will add a lot to the length of the page, but I am open to discussing it with you. <font face="Kristen ITC"><font color="#ff0000">C <font color="#ff6600">T <font color="#ffff00">J <font color="#009900">F <font color="#0000ff">8 <font color="#6600cc">3 chat 07:50, 21 December 2010 (UTC)
 * List of Speakers of the United States House of Representatives Probably an easier way to do this. Different IP, still me. 75.204.67.18 (talk) 02:42, 22 December 2010 (UTC)
 * I think you want this to list each Speaker from their state? I'm not sure that is a good idea, as it will add to the length of the article. Plus if a user is curious as to which 8 speakers are from Massachusetts, they can easily type "ctrl+f" and type in "Massachusetts". I just think adding the names next to the numbers in the states adds too much length and is redundant information. <font face="Kristen ITC"><font color="#ff0000">C <font color="#ff6600">T <font color="#ffff00">J <font color="#009900">F <font color="#0000ff">8 <font color="#6600cc">3 chat 02:49, 22 December 2010 (UTC)
 * Right; it says it lists them, but it does not; it either should, or say it is the number from each state, which it is. It would be redundant, but it would be consolidated, remove white space, and back referencing. Either way. And that's the first I've known wikipedia had a find command. 75.204.67.18 (talk) 03:52, 22 December 2010 (UTC)
 * Ok, I gotcha, look good? <font face="Kristen ITC"><font color="#ff0000">C <font color="#ff6600">T <font color="#ffff00">J <font color="#009900">F <font color="#0000ff">8 <font color="#6600cc">3 chat 04:02, 22 December 2010 (UTC)
 * Works for me. 75.204.67.18 (talk) 04:16, 22 December 2010 (UTC)

Your request at the Graphic Lab
Hello! You've recently requested an image on the Graphic Lab talk page (here). That talk page is only for discussion of the project. The proper place would be one of the workshops (Photography/Illustration/Maps). I moved your request to the Illustration workshop, you can find it at Graphic_Lab/Illustration_workshop. Best regards, -- <font color="#0066CC">Orionist ★ <font color="#0066CC">talk  10:42, 21 December 2010 (UTC)
 * Ok, thanks, <font face="Kristen ITC"><font color="#ff0000">C <font color="#ff6600">T <font color="#ffff00">J <font color="#009900">F <font color="#0000ff">8 <font color="#6600cc">3 chat 15:36, 21 December 2010 (UTC)

Talk:Otto Mann
It's been a while now and I still haven't gotten a reply on Otto Mann's talk page. You were the last person to post before me so just though I'd let you know I answered your question. 122.57.245.142 (talk) 05:36, 23 December 2010 (UTC)
 * Ok, replied there <font face="Kristen ITC"><font color="#ff0000">C <font color="#ff6600">T <font color="#ffff00">J <font color="#009900">F <font color="#0000ff">8 <font color="#6600cc">3 chat 01:18, 24 December 2010 (UTC)

Townships
As you may know I patrol all Iowa's communities and I see you are entering in data for the Iowa townships. First Thanks and then I wanted you to educated me. In Grant Township, Tama County, Iowa you are entered. My question is instead of landmark in some townships you have entered city instead of landmark, did you just forget this one? Should it be township instead of city?. Also I hope you would consider joining WikiProject Iowa/Communities even if it is at Level 1) I am interested in Iowa communities but don't ask me I will help when I want., but hopefully a higher level. Also could you give me some feedback about the page? I respect constructive criticism. Keep up the good work. -- Rife Ideas   Talk  17:07, 21 December 2010 (UTC)
 * Ya, that was just an error, and should be "city", the default copy and paste on my user page is "landmark" and I forgot to change that one....actually ya, they should prob all be "township" instead, I'll fix them. I'll look over the Communities thing and join in a bit, I feel the urge to eat some lunch right now, lol, so headed to Panda Express and will be back and reply shortly :) <font face="Kristen ITC"><font color="#ff0000">C <font color="#ff6600">T <font color="#ffff00">J <font color="#009900">F <font color="#0000ff">8 <font color="#6600cc">3 chat 17:13, 21 December 2010 (UTC)
 * Page looks pretty good. Not sure the levels are important, because how accurate are they going to be? In the city tables, I have no idea what P1, P2, and P3 mean or I/C scale. Other than that it's a good start! <font face="Kristen ITC"><font color="#ff0000">C <font color="#ff6600">T <font color="#ffff00">J <font color="#009900">F <font color="#0000ff">8 <font color="#6600cc">3 chat 18:11, 21 December 2010 (UTC)
 * Actually the 2nd part of what kind of editor you are, and such is useful and I like that. <font face="Kristen ITC"><font color="#ff0000">C <font color="#ff6600">T <font color="#ffff00">J <font color="#009900">F <font color="#0000ff">8 <font color="#6600cc">3 chat 18:16, 21 December 2010 (UTC)
 * Yea I need to explain the P1 P2 etc. That is why a second or third set of eyes helps to improve a project. The P stands for priorities and the # is the level. This can be seen at WikiProject Iowa/Communities/Priorities and the city tables is to create a system of bringing all cities up in levels of information without people duplicating the work. My theory is each member would "check out a table" and work on that table until all cities on that table have achieved the priority level and record when it was completed. I will work on that explanation soon and place it in the tables 2nd stage header. The I/C is Project Iowa/Project Cities but I may eliminate this as Philosophor has since set up a Category system that does this automatically at least with Project Iowa. The level (I assume level of commitment) is have a basis for communication or asking for participation that is why there is the don't call me level. There is always room for improvement. Thanks for your input. -- Rife Ideas   Talk  21:07, 21 December 2010 (UTC)
 * Ok, I understand now...ya, it is off to a good start. <font face="Kristen ITC"><font color="#ff0000">C <font color="#ff6600">T <font color="#ffff00">J <font color="#009900">F <font color="#0000ff">8 <font color="#6600cc">3 chat 21:31, 21 December 2010 (UTC)
 * I improved many parts of WikiProject Iowa/Communities per your comments. I also cut out the tables from the main page and put them on a separate page per Philosopher's comment to cut down on the page load time. Take a look and give me your feedback. Also look at WikiProject Iowa/Communities/Priorities especially the Demographics section as I was thinking about making a Task A) (you will see why) just to update that section in all cities due to the 2010 census data coming out. On another subject look at Carol Morris another page I developed from 2 sentences. One last thing, do you get notified of a new message if I just add to an existing thread? -- Rife Ideas   Talk  03:24, 24 December 2010 (UTC)
 * Yep, even if you add the letter A to word or something, I will get a notification, any edit made here (besides me or archive bots of course). The pages look great! You've done a lot of hard/great work! Keep it up, and let me know how I can be of assistance. <font face="Kristen ITC"><font color="#ff0000">C <font color="#ff6600">T <font color="#ffff00">J <font color="#009900">F <font color="#0000ff">8 <font color="#6600cc">3 chat 14:41, 24 December 2010 (UTC)

How you can help - where do I begin? First I appreciate you comment about the hard/great work. I assume you was able to navigate/find and understand everything with ease if not feel free to make improvements or let me know. The Wikipedia :WikiProject Iowa/Communities/Priorities is just a good start. Any information / sources / experiences / pitfalls to avoid / MOS conflicts that you can contribute would be helpful. I just today since you asked went and checked the traffic patterns for 3 years for the top 10 populated cities in Iowa. A table will be going on the main page when I can, but until then I will give you the short version. Hits per day for DM is tops 984, CR 2nd 400, Ames 3rd 385, you can work on improving any of those 3. Just as a reference Davenport is 6th with 285. In my opinion looking at DM today it needs a lot of work, I am going to tackle the empty chart in the Economy section soon, I noticed it a couple of weeks ago but was hoping someone would finish their job (wrong). If you are so inclined the "Museum" section is just a list of names with no descriptions. Any help to bring DM up to an A-Class Article would be appreciated. Of course you can "check out" a table and start working on Task 1 although improving the Priorities page may take priority. (haha) I had to fix a Demographics section today and went to "Fact Finders" from the US Census and seen they state it will be Feb 1 before that site will have the 2010 figures, so who knows it may be a while for population updates. Personally my article improvements will be random as I patrol recent edits until I have made all the Communities tables. Like the Carol Morris article I came by in the Notable people section of Ottumwa, Iowa, the only Miss Iowa to win a Miss USA title and then went on to win the Miss Universe for the USA in 1956, turned actress was a pathetic 2 lines and no info-box. I just had to improve it like the Ansel Briggs article. -- Rife Ideas  Talk  18:11, 24 December 2010 (UTC)
 * Ok, I work 8 hrs today, and 12 the next two days, so won't do anything til Monday. I made IA/C/P a shortcut redirect. At one point I wanted to get Iowa up to GA. I have suggestions at User:Ctjf83/Iowa, but that has gone no where in a year. I'm much more motivated to do stuff if I have another dedicated user helping me. Davenport, Iowa was a lot of work, most of it alone, so not really wanting to do a lot of work alone any time soon. <font face="Kristen ITC"><font color="#ff0000">C <font color="#ff6600">T <font color="#ffff00">J <font color="#009900">F <font color="#0000ff">8 <font color="#6600cc">3 chat 18:31, 24 December 2010 (UTC)
 * Yeah I have been so focused on the Incorporated cities of late, I let Iowa go right by even though I did originally conceive it as a community. I agree Iowa needs to be improved to A-Class and therefore GA from it's current B-Class. I will try to digest the older information you have directed me to, if you have a chance could you delete any irrelevant info on your userpage/Iowa. I took a quick look at Iowa before I wrote back and seen a couple of things I could work on. Thanks for the priorities shortcut, someday I will need to learn how that is done.-- Rife Ideas  Talk  19:11, 24 December 2010 (UTC)
 * Sure, I'll look over my subpage. <font face="Kristen ITC"><font color="#ff0000">C <font color="#ff6600">T <font color="#ffff00">J <font color="#009900">F <font color="#0000ff">8 <font color="#6600cc">3 chat 15:28, 27 December 2010 (UTC)
 * I know it has only been a few days and you are busy with Davenport FA and all, but have you had a chance to look over your User:Ctjf83/Iowa page to delete out any non relevant information ? I want to add it as a link on WP:IA/C and possibly Talk:Iowa. Speaking of Iowa could you take a quick look at the Iowa and see if the chart Iowa's largest cities and their surrounding areas. (that I totally revamped) and see if the coloring that I did coordinates with the color in the Iowa Metropolitan Areas. (different computers may have different colors). Also compare the OLD Demographics section with the current one and give me feed back, Also take a look at WP:IA/C new section called Coordinates for communities – we both were wrong on how to label townships! But never again! As always I appreciate feedback.-- Rife Ideas  Talk  20:40, 30 December 2010 (UTC)
 * Damn! Just worked 8 hours, and you're putting me right back to work, lol...no problems...everything on User:Ctjf83/Iowa looks relevant, they were suggestions to improve from a year ago. For demographics, Des Moines (and suburbs) could go a shade greener, so the Des Moines words aren't confused with Cedar Rapids on the map. The rest of the section looks great, I love the color coordination (not sure why we didn't do that to begin with) and the Coords section on the project page looks good too! Keep up the great work! :) <font face="Kristen ITC"><font color="#ff0000">C <font color="#ff6600">T <font color="#ffff00">J <font color="#009900">F <font color="#0000ff">8 <font color="#6600cc">3  chat 05:08, 31 December 2010 (UTC)

Adopt
HELLO,...I seriously need to be adopted. My collegue and I, Cheong Kwon in the USA (I am in Switzerland) are totally virgin to Wikipedia and have started an article which we hope to make as professional and perfect as possible. I am very confused on how to add inline citations, references and other credible documentation sourses. Also, we want to "UN peacock" our subject....all of the fact are correct but we need help to make the article as meaningful as possible.

It is on the LBGTQ subject of the artwork/doll Mdvanii by BillyBoy* & Lala

Cheong Kwon initiated the article and is administrator and she'll make me co-admin as soon as she can figure it out.

We also need protection from a stalker, the artists have had a stalker for the last 23 years and he went into the article and added slurs, insults and overtly sabotaged the article yesterday He replaced all of the names with the name of a cheap toy doll made in france in the 60s known for it's cheapness. The stalker has been legally refrained from showing on internet venues as eBay, Etsy, Google, Yahoo such as Flickr and Blogger etc and GoDaddy.com but as wikipedia is new for us, as of yesterday he vandalized our article,...which in a way is okay once since it has further motivated us to interact with wiki experts and editors....we need protection from vandalism and good editing help....for the basics...it's very hard to understand for us. I hope since you wrote you have LGBT interest you'd be interested inhelping us as Mdvanii is a transgressive Queer art form made by a couple of artists who have been together happily for 28 years. Its very delicate issue writing about LBGTQ issues and we don't want to make any offensive, by error, mistakes. I hope to hear from you, this was the only way I figured out how to reach you...there is no contact button on you talk page. It'd be super helpful to talk to me on my talk page as that's the only place I know how to reply.... Kind regards, Alec Jiri Alec jiri (talk) 00:13, 24 December 2010 (UTC)
 * (replying on user's talk page) Mdvanii (for my reference) <font face="Kristen ITC"><font color="#ff0000">C <font color="#ff6600">T <font color="#ffff00">J <font color="#009900">F <font color="#0000ff">8 <font color="#6600cc">3 chat 01:23, 24 December 2010 (UTC)

Hi, I have slowly figured out some of the citations and am adding slowly....someone named Alan Poole is saying we are 2too close" to the maker, which is not true,...we just need time to add the info...when do they take this remark of his off....it's really not true. I hope to hear from you thanks, aj Alec jiri (talk) 21:14, 26 December 2010 (UTC)

Thank you for your help an dsupport. I am deeply grateful. I am sincerely hoping to make the article as perfect and as encyclopedic as possible and to fulfill the criteria of a wikipedia article. I will continue to add citations, but I need to be sure I am doing it correctly....Mr Alan Poole 8 has read FB and other sources, but I would aspire for him to read the actual articles listed (some in French etc)...these are very informative. They do back up the article. I Am realyl happy that we have support and hope it will grow and the article will be guided into the right 2tone", have the right elements and the right neutrality. I have re-read all the COI rules now again,...and understand why I may be considered as such. However, my genuine goal is to make a neutral article, ...even if I may have experise and knowledge of the subject. I have no commercial gain in this, only intelelctual and the desire to do a good article. We are completely willing to cooperate with anyone seriously interested inhelping us achieve this.

I thank you sincerely AJ Alec jiri (talk) 21:48, 27 December 2010 (UTC)
 * It's not problem, I will help in anyway I can. Did you want just AJ to show up when you type ~, and have it link to your user page? If so I can assist in that. Either way, let me know in any way I can assist you. <font face="Kristen ITC"><font color="#ff0000">C <font color="#ff6600">T <font color="#ffff00">J <font color="#009900">F <font color="#0000ff">8 <font color="#6600cc">3 chat 21:54, 27 December 2010 (UTC)

oh, thank you so much...yes, I'd appreciate help linking to my page because it's getting confusing for me. Also I noticed those who seem against this article are all brand new wiki users, I am sure they are just the few detractors the artists have.It seems they really are infuriated that Mdvanii is on wiki and despite the fact every single sentence is 100% accurate they are trying to make it hard to have the article advance, what does one do when a subject is controversial and from living artists as is this article? She's a very actual subject and very heated feelings emerge even if from only a few people. Most people who know about Mdvanii seem to appreciate her very much but the comments I have read from the brand new wikipedians seem to be much to adament to create trouble with the article.....Alec jiri (talk) 20:33, 29 December 2010 (UTC)
 * Are you typing ~ to sign? What do you want your signature to say? Just AJ and have it link to your user page and then talk page? Like AJ (talk)? Also, I would edit User:Alec jiri and put something on it, you can always delete it right after a save if you don't want anything, just so your userpage link isn't red. Often other users who see red linked user, think the user is new and not contributing positively to Wikipedia (which is certainly not the case for you). Sometimes it is hard to control users vandalizing/messing up the page. If it gets bad, you can always request page protection so new users can't edit it. <font face="Kristen ITC"><font color="#ff0000">C <font color="#ff6600">T <font color="#ffff00">J <font color="#009900">F <font color="#0000ff">8 <font color="#6600cc">3 chat 20:44, 29 December 2010 (UTC)

YOu are a lifesaver, I really appreciate this help.

Can I just have it say something else? I'd like something anonymous because it is clear people are confusing me a bit too much with the authors of the work. WHile it is true I am really qualified to talk about mdvanii, i personally get no reward or financial gain,...my only reward is the actual historic accuracy of the subject (and I do have other subjects not at all related to Mdvanii I wish to share on wiki later)

Also, If I dare ask, can you pleasehelp me get the page protected? Its such a controversial subject we'll just lose time with the few freaky detractors who are jealous of the artists...it's sad, but true, these few people are out for thekill and do not in any wayhave wiki accuracy in the forefront and intheir mind, they just want to trip up the process of mdvanii on wiki, and if I even dare further, it's very anti-gay in my opinion. Even they may or may not be gay, their sabotage comes before the historic reality of the subject it's "biting their noses to spite their faces". Please, if you can help me protect the page, I'd appreciate it...senior and experienced editors are totally welcome but these brand new wiki people who have done nothing sabotaging the page is just a huge waste of everyone's time. Alec jiri (talk) 21:02, 29 December 2010 (UTC)
 * You can put a lot of things on your user page. Use User pages as a guideline. As far as protecting the page right now, it wouldn't happen. Pages are only protected by admins as a last resort, and the last disruptive edits to the page happened 3 days ago. If it is only 1 or 2 users disrupting a page, they are blocked before a page protection takes place. If there starts to be several users disrupting a page in a short period of time, that is when an admin while protect the page. <font face="Kristen ITC"><font color="#ff0000">C <font color="#ff6600">T <font color="#ffff00">J <font color="#009900">F <font color="#0000ff">8 <font color="#6600cc">3 chat 21:08, 29 December 2010 (UTC)

Okay, I understand...I do hope then it is subsided and over. I have added additional citations needed, and I have added what i believe to be the neutral way of adding the Cocteau logo, I added it as you suggested. It goes directly to a page with full explanations and all the material in visual form. I will try to improve my user page Thank you so much Alec jiri (talk) 21:28, 29 December 2010 (UTC)

I am trying to add this:

It is not working....can one not put Japanese on a citation? It seems to be the url is not working....but when I go to the cite, it works perfectly ont he net.Alec jiri (talk) 22:41, 29 December 2010 (UTC)
 * I'm not sure about foreign languages in references, can you read it? If so I'd definitely translate it to English. <font face="Kristen ITC"><font color="#ff0000">C <font color="#ff6600">T <font color="#ffff00">J <font color="#009900">F <font color="#0000ff">8 <font color="#6600cc">3 chat 22:43, 29 December 2010 (UTC)
 * Oh!! You were missing the = after ref name...It works now. <font face="Kristen ITC"><font color="#ff0000">C <font color="#ff6600">T <font color="#ffff00">J <font color="#009900">F <font color="#0000ff">8 <font color="#6600cc">3 chat 22:46, 29 December 2010 (UTC)

I fixed it...I don't know how, but I did. I just added this. スイス・ローザンヌに住むアーティスト、ビリーボーイ&ララ BillyBoy* & Lala が作る麗しき人形「ミドヴァニィ」 Mdvanii. 世界で唯一のミドヴァニィ・ドールの正式代理人である私 sumiko-watanabe が扱ってきた、この美の女神たちを、私の思い出と共に紹介します. なお 女神たちの肖像 - ミドヴァニィ・コレクション

Yes, I can read it. It says this but more refined as it's a Japanese expression:

Artists living in Lausanne, Switzerland, BillyBoy* & BillyBoy * & Lala doll made Midovanyi "Mdvanii". I, the official representative of the world's only doll Mdvanii Sumiko Watanabe have treated the goddess of beauty to this, along with the memories of my introduction. The Portrait of a Goddess - The Mdvanii Collection

I am trying to do a userpage but I simply am having trouble understanding...I have nothing much to say about myself, except i am a mdvanii historian and have access to archives which can do this article. My associate is also a specialist on the work of the artists.We do have a number of other interests which i'd like to use for wiki but right now I can only do this.How did you make your colourful little logo for your name? Alec jiri (talk) 22:51, 29 December 2010 (UTC)
 * That's a good start for a userpage, you also check out WP:UBX for userboxes, which are popular. Basically <font face="Kristen ITC"><font color="#ff0000">C <font color="#ff6600">T <font color="#ffff00">J <font color="#009900">F <font color="#0000ff">8 <font color="#6600cc">3 If you want to do something like that, you can fill in your user name in between the colors, or choose different colors, or if you want to spice it up a bit, check out [[WP:CUSTOMSIG. I'm leaving for a while in a short bit, so won't be able to help you for a while. <font face="Kristen ITC"><font color="#ff0000">C <font color="#ff6600">T <font color="#ffff00">J <font color="#009900">F <font color="#0000ff">8 <font color="#6600cc">3 chat 23:06, 29 December 2010 (UTC)

The "award-winning" sentence has been removed (see Mdvanii tlak page)to which I replied the following;

These are the some of the poems he won prizes for, it is necessary to do your research more specifically. You have to go to the catagories mentioned:

Eric Hoffer Book Award 2008 "Notable Distinction" for "Postcards from Heartthrob Town" in the category of "Memoir." Potenza 2005 Film Festival: "Short Films and Other Stories"

Video Poetry Award 2005, First Place for the videopoem, "Dance of the Electric Moccasins."

Gival Press First Book Poetry Prize 2000 for "Dervish"

I think is is accurate to say he is an "award-winning" poet

I had added all the appropriate link citations to the actual awards...you removed them. Wozek is considered a gay poet and the fact he won the Gival Award, for example is important in relation to Mdvanii...so Mr Leivick, what is your suggested way to note this? Since Mdvanii is a gay advocate and activist, all her links to gay artists is important, if they have some sort of achievement like an award,, I think it is part of the point of the artwork and the history of the subject. I would appreciate your thoughts on this.

........ so to Ctjf83, my question: IS it relevent that Gerard Wozek has won awards? I believe it is since he is a notable gay poet and that is part of Mdvaniis history. He's not just a "poet" he has won a prestigious award (and other awards) and is a GAY poet....which is why he is sited inthis article to illustrate that poems were written for mdvanii. They are GAY poets....and Wozek won several awards including Gival Award.....so what is the right thing to do?

Alec jiri (talk) 11:46, 30 December 2010 (UTC)
 * Well, saying someone is an "award winning" something, is not something that should be done. It gives WP:UNDUE weight, and is not really WP:NEUTRAL. However, saying Person X has won A, B, and C awards is ok, if they are cited. Prime example (for articles I work on), users adding that The Simpsons is an award winning show in the first sentence of the article. <font face="Kristen ITC"><font color="#ff0000">C <font color="#ff6600">T <font color="#ffff00">J <font color="#009900">F <font color="#0000ff">8 <font color="#6600cc">3 chat 17:02, 30 December 2010 (UTC)

1) I understand, thank you. I think for now, I have to get the article as perfect as possible, the main subject is not the poets.....I do see the point made and appreciate the time you have taken to explain it...as did Mr Leivick.

2) These two citations on the article in italics below: NONE of the citations are misinterpreted, they are just exactly what they are citing......I am sorry but I think putting them up is unduly heavy and I do not see how. There is no original material. I have never written for the fondation or any of the sources whatsoever. The FT site is written by many various people, many articles are written by a committee, and they date from 1997 to 2000 etc etc... I used links to photo images texts about history also. When and how and can this be removed??, I do not see how these two warnings are genuinely appropriate,... if you check every link you'll see it backs up the citation.There is no original research. I have had nothing to do with any citation. ''This article may contain original research. Please improve it by verifying the claims made and adding references. Statements consisting only of original research may be removed. More details may be available on the talk page. (December 2010) Text document with red question mark.svg This article may contain inappropriate or misinterpreted citations that do not verify the text. Please help improve this article by checking for inaccuracies. (help, talk, get involved!) (December 2010) ''

3) Also I feel the conversation I had with Orumsonu should be permanently removed from wiki...it's unfair to me, to the real Alec Jiri and to the article....can it be removed? This Orumsonu has a definite bone to pick with this subject and it is clearly personal. I hope I can have some help removing that conversation, it was personally directed to me. What do you think? Its hard enough as it is to do this as correctly as possible and harder when a very unfair communication, unrelated to the article which is a personal assault upon me and others is lingering on the wikipedia ...it's a public unfairness to me I feel and to others.

How do you feel the article is shaping up?...I feel I have really trimmed it back with peacocky terms, and added very neutral info...with citation material which can be verified...I hope I am going in the right direction. I hope you can let me know if I am improving the article? thank you so much in advance for your help.

I still have to figure out some citations....for museum acquisitions and important other documents.

Alec jiri (talk) 01:07, 31 December 2010 (UTC)

Jean Cocteau - gay poet/painter on Mdvanii removed from article? sortof afraid to add anything now...
I noticed Mr Leivick removed the fact the logo of Alexandre de Paris, drawn especially for him by Jean Cocteau and which Monsieur Alexandre allowed exceptionally to be used on Mdvanii's box. Maybe it is not really known how famous Cocteau is here in Europe, maybe much less elsewhere, but here he's iconic, a gay artist icon. He did that logo for Alexandre, which already was unusual at the time, and Alexandre in turn allowed the artists to put it on Mdvanii's box,...this was highly unusual as Mr Alexandre never before or since until his death allowed that logo to be put on anything other than his own things. It was a great privilege and as Cocteau was a gay icon always, his placement in a distinguished way ont he box was a honour. Its part of the gay associations Mdvanii has made from the very beginning. Is it possible to convey this without it sounding contrary to Wiki rules of COI? Its a fact and it's on every single box ever made. Which is tens of thousands if not more...

help.

Thank you.

Aj Alec jiri (talk) 22:10, 27 December 2010 (UTC)
 * I'm sorry? I'm a little confused, are you saying User:Daniel J. Leivick removed an image of the Alexandre de Paris logo? Can you provide me with some links. Like the link of Leivick removing the image, or the link of the image itself please? <font face="Kristen ITC"><font color="#ff0000">C <font color="#ff6600">T <font color="#ffff00">J <font color="#009900">F <font color="#0000ff">8 <font color="#6600cc">3 chat 22:18, 27 December 2010 (UTC)

He removed this phrase: I understand the first part removed, maybe too glamorous though it is commonly known info about Alexandre de Paris, but shouldn't the fact the logo was on the box be somehow mentioned and that Cocteau is a famous gay icon artist? I presumed it was not necessary to mention that he is a gay icon, he's mythic usually to gay artists, but the fact the logo on is on the box is a major precedent and a unique honour he bestowed on the artists. He never did it before or after and then passed away, so it's major info about mdvanii and her gay associations. There is a photo of it on this link:

http://www.fondationtanagra.com/index.cfm?article=20&page=3&cfid=81064&cftoken=53357

The Parisian hairdresser to royalty and stars of European high society allowed his logo, created by artist Jean Cocteau to be used on her box.

He also removed this...should this be a citation? It was the key phrase of her debut:

"BillyBoy* revives the Golden Age of Dolls for the future generations of discerning collectors! Meet Mdvanii, the glamorous fashion doll of the twenty-first century designed by BillyBoy* and created by BillyBoy* Toys. Mdvanii is a blend of old fashioned techniques and quality, with contemporary new age lifestyle."(Mdvanii first edition catalogue, 1989)

What is your opinion and suggestion for these two points?

Thank you so much, AJ

Alec jiri (talk) 22:30, 27 December 2010 (UTC)
 * First why is there a * after BillyBoy? Is that part of his "name"? Ok, those were probably removed for lack of source and too WP:PEACOCKY. For example "BillyBoy* revives the Golden Age of Dolls for the future generations of discerning collectors!" It should stop at the word generations. "of discerning collectors!" is an opinion and a peacock term, especially the exclamation point. Also "Meet Mdvanii, the glamorous fashion doll", "glamorous" is an opinion, not everyone may think the doll is glamorous. Also above when you say "it is commonly known info about Alexandre de Paris", you need to write it from the point of view of someone reading it who has no knowledge what so ever of the article. I don't at all think it is commonly known, as I've never heard of Alexandre de Paris or Mdvanii. Commonly known things are like New York City is the largest city in the United States, Paris is the capital of France, and such like that. If it isn't as common of knowledge as that, it needs a source. I'm headed out for a bit, so won't respond to any more questions for several hours or until tomorrow, but feel free to ask away! <font face="Kristen ITC"><font color="#ff0000">C <font color="#ff6600">T <font color="#ffff00">J <font color="#009900">F <font color="#0000ff">8 <font color="#6600cc">3 chat 22:39, 27 December 2010 (UTC)

YES,...oh my goodness, yes, the asterisk is a major part of his name! It MUST be everywhere his name appears. BillyBoy* & Lala are comparable to Gilbert and George, Pierres and Gilles etc, long-term gay couple artists. They are always referred to as BillyBoy* & Lala (never "and" plus always with the asterisk).

I see your point. NY is famous...but in our country some cultural things are famous...as in America, the Yankees are famous a baseball team and Jimmy Durante has a famous big nose.....maybe I need to learn from what you said. In France Alexandre is as famous as Joe DiMaggio. You say his name and pretty much a great many people know who he was. Like Dior (for whom he did all the hairdos for example)...Mdvanii is not as famous of course...point taken.

The quote is from the first catalogues and was I thought, an illustration of the concept from the debut. Its explaining what she was first presented as. Hundreds of thousands have been given away. So is it a source or historic document?

Alexandre de Paris did the Beatles hairdos, the all the royalty such as queens, etc of Europe including England, stars like Josephine Baker, Dietrich, Juliet Greco, Francoise Sagan, Brigitte Bardot etc, all the couture shows, and is "in the street" (popular) known by French people....BUT, the logo is by Cocteau. I wanted to add this info as it is a really important aspect of her early history and association with not only artists but gay artists (all the artists nearly who have worked witht he artists BB* & Lala are gay and sometimes even political activists - Lala's brother is Didier Lestrdae founder of Act-Up in France and founder of Magazine and Tetu the first serious gay magazines in France)

Well, do you think the logo is relevent and do the first catalogues count as documentation?

Thank you so much again, have a lovely evening and hope tohear from you when it is possible.

AJ Alec jiri (talk) 22:53, 27 December 2010 (UTC) oops spelling mistake: Didier Lestrade founder of Act-Up in France and founder of Magazine and Tetu the first serious gay magazines in France Alec jiri (talk) 22:55, 27 December 2010 (UTC)
 * A catalog would probably work as a source, and image information could be added if properly sourced. <font face="Kristen ITC"><font color="#ff0000">C <font color="#ff6600">T <font color="#ffff00">J <font color="#009900">F <font color="#0000ff">8 <font color="#6600cc">3 chat 14:58, 28 December 2010 (UTC)

So, you think I can add the Cocteau logo reference and site the catalgoues as the source? How do i add image information...it's on the website a whole mini.article about him (Alexandre and the logo)Alec jiri (talk) 20:26, 29 December 2010 (UTC)
 * Do you mean add an image of the logo to the page, or just information on it? To source an image or catalog, if they are online, you can just use . <font face="Kristen ITC"><font color="#ff0000">C <font color="#ff6600">T <font color="#ffff00">J <font color="#009900">F <font color="#0000ff">8 <font color="#6600cc">3 chat 20:30, 29 December 2010 (UTC)

well, what is your opinion?,...adding the image shows exactly the logo of course. The point I feel needed to be made is that Alexandre de Paris, gay hairdresser of great reclaim, had gay iconic artist Jean Cocteau do his logo (which was very unusual and unique at the time) and which very exceptionally, uniquely, Mdvanii has on her boxes and catalogues since the very debut thanks to Mr. Alexandre. Would this sound correct and neutral?

"Alexandre de Paris' did detailed drawings for her hairstyles and his logo, which was created by Jean Cocteau is placed on all Mdvanii boxes and catalogues." ... and then add the link to the image? Alec jiri (talk) 20:41, 29 December 2010 (UTC)
 * I'm not the best person to ask about images. You can use WP:NFCC as a guideline. <font face="Kristen ITC"><font color="#ff0000">C <font color="#ff6600">T <font color="#ffff00">J <font color="#009900">F <font color="#0000ff">8 <font color="#6600cc">3 chat 20:46, 29 December 2010 (UTC)

Is insulting and outing a common thing on wiki?
Just a question. I have been insulted by Orumsonu on the Mdvanii Talk page. Is this a common procedure or phenomenon on wiki? AM I expected to repeatedly discuss myself rather than the article? I have explained who I am but why is it such an issue? I am dedictaed to making the article neutral and encyclopedic, I am discussing with serious people for practical help, I am complying willingly to make this a perfect article, so is it part of wiki to have personal attacks on you on these public pages? I know things are different in the USA, but I am not accustomed to personal attacks on a forum of any sort, so what is the policy and the way to deal with this? Its not something I am familiar with and don't think it's appropriate at all...any help, or suggestions? Clearly this Orumsonu doesn't like or understand Mdvanii and wants to express it....a detractor as I mentioned before. I don't think this is paranoia as he/she says, it's just plain weird and rude to be accused of such when it is far from the truth. This wiki user doesn't seem to want to help the article. Alec jiri (talk) 14:16, 30 December 2010 (UTC)
 * No, you absolutely do not have to reveal anything about who you are to anyone. I gave the user a warning so if they continue, you can report them to an admin, and they may be blocked. Read WP:OUTING and the rest of the page deals with harassment. Also, these users are clearly trolling you and the page. I recommend ignoring them in most cases, and get on with the work you want to do. If they keep harassing you/disrupting the page or talk page, give them a few (2-3, I usually do the 2nd, 3rd, and 4th ones) warnings, you'll probably use the vandalism and personal attacks, and then report them at WP:ANV. Just be careful, make sure they are clearly vandalizing, or attacking you (or another user) personally, or you might be blocked....Remember, you don't have to reveal anything about yourself and don't feed the trolls. <font face="Kristen ITC"><font color="#ff0000">C <font color="#ff6600">T <font color="#ffff00">J <font color="#009900">F <font color="#0000ff">8 <font color="#6600cc">3 chat 17:13, 30 December 2010 (UTC)
 * Oh, and as far as if it is common to be insulted, ya, it happens, I wouldn't say frequently, but it does happen...it seems especially if you are on LGBT articles, which is expected, just ignore it, warn them, and hopefully they will be blocked. <font face="Kristen ITC"><font color="#ff0000">C <font color="#ff6600">T <font color="#ffff00">J <font color="#009900">F <font color="#0000ff">8 <font color="#6600cc">3 chat 17:15, 30 December 2010 (UTC)

Thank you for explaining. Its a bit shocking for me to be accused of such a thing by a complete stranger and by someone who clearly is not interested in helping the article or wikipedia in general. I will follow your advice. I do find it a bit shocking though...maybe it is a culture difference. LGBT issues was the main reason I wanted to be involved with this article actually. I had no idea there was opponents to equal human rights issues, even in an indirect way. Alec jiri (talk) 19:21, 30 December 2010 (UTC)


 * I tried to put a stop to the discussion. I'm not sure what that user was trying to get at. T ofutwitch11 ''' <font color="Orange">(T ALK ) 19:32, 30 December 2010 (UTC)

I have absolutely no idea where it was headed and for which and what reasons. When the presumption I was THE Alec Jiri (which is his FIRST NAME ONLY, not a surname which I'd never use) was made yesterday, I corrected it immediately, as I said to Mr Leivick, I had permission from him to use his name as he is the source of my materials for citation and we saw no reason not to credit him. If I made an error using his name, it was out of ignorance,not bad will...besides, it seems that if I was trying to be clever and lie I'd NOT have used his first name....Mdvanii is a hot topic, a controversial LGBT subject in the art world and the detractors seem to have private agendas which I really have a great difficulty understanding. I an expert in Mdvanii and have never really understood the few detractors she and the artists have. She is a positive image of the LGBT person and I perhaps wrongly assume, people are FOR equal human rights, not against them. I am open completely to help with this article and as Ihave repeatedly said, want it to be a perfect encyclopedic wiki article. This is my unique goal. Alec jiri (talk) 19:51, 30 December 2010 (UTC)
 * Ya, I don't for see equal LGBT rights anytime soon, at least in America. But ya, just following my advice on warning, and ignoring the trolls/vandals/detractors, etc, and keep up your great work! As always, feel free to come to me with questions/concerns/help, etc. <font face="Kristen ITC"><font color="#ff0000">C <font color="#ff6600">T <font color="#ffff00">J <font color="#009900">F <font color="#0000ff">8 <font color="#6600cc">3 chat 05:16, 31 December 2010 (UTC)

It's A Trap
No, I was saying about the mass cleanup because almost every article I go to on here has that message about "Unsourced content", leading me to believe that Wiki is really thinking about not allowing any researched content and thus eventually removing a whole mass of articles.LReyome254 (talk) 03:48, 31 December 2010 (UTC)
 * Oh, no, the tag:

means just that section is unsourced, and that sources are needed or that section material may be removed. There won't be a mass :removal of articles...did I explain your question, if not, please be a little more specific. <font face="Kristen ITC"><font color="#ff0000">C <font color="#ff6600">T <font color="#ffff00">J <font color="#009900">F <font color="#0000ff">8 <font color="#6600cc">3 chat 05:12, 31 December 2010 (UTC)