User talk:CTMS31712264

September 2020
Hello, I'm NonsensicalSystem. I noticed that you recently removed content from Worldwide Responsible Accredited Production without adequately explaining why. In the future, it would be helpful to others if you described your changes to Wikipedia with an accurate edit summary. If this was a mistake, don't worry; the removed content has been restored. If you would like to experiment, please use your sandbox. If you think I made a mistake, or if you have any questions, you can leave me a message on my talk page. Thanks.  NonsensicalSystem (err0r?)(.log) 13:58, 22 September 2020 (UTC)

Please stop your disruptive editing. If you continue to blank out or remove portions of page content, templates, or other materials from Wikipedia without adequate explanation, as you did at Worldwide Responsible Accredited Production, you may be blocked from editing. Vanamonde (Talk) 14:58, 22 September 2020 (UTC)

Apologies, the article it is referenced from is 20 years old and I can not find any other evidence to support the claim other than an opinion piece written 20 years ago. CTMS31712264 (talk) 15:22, 22 September 2020 (UTC)

Can I not remove this piece if it is not supported by more recent evidence? CTMS31712264 (talk) 15:27, 22 September 2020 (UTC)
 * First, one of the sources is from 2010, not 2001. Second, if you are concerned about the information being out of date, the best thing to do is to add the qualifier "In [year]"..." Removing sourced information, when it's the only substantive independent analysis of this organization that we have, isn't appropriate. Vanamonde (Talk) 16:03, 22 September 2020 (UTC)

I only edited the removed the reference from a 2001 opinion piece. I apologise that I broke a rule, I don’t have a personal stake in WRAP I was merely researching them online this is the only piece of negative publicity I can find on the organisation so I thought for a Non-Profit Organistion that is doing good for the world of clothing manufacturing, it is not good to have a substantial portion of their Wikipedia page referencing a 20 year old opinion piece CTMS31712264 (talk) 16:55, 22 September 2020 (UTC)
 * That simply isn't true; you removed content cited to the 2010 book as well . Furthermore, the article in question doesn't seem to be an opinion piece, and The Nation is generally considered a reliable, albeit partisan, source. So inline attribution might be justified, but your removal was not. Vanamonde (Talk) 20:54, 22 September 2020 (UTC)

Well if I edited a second reference that would’ve been a mistake as a first time user to the site, as I clearly only was trying to change the last line of the piece. As a newbie, I’d love an explanation as to why what I did was so wrong, from my experience in learning about WRAP, I’ve found that they seem to have done a lot of good in directing the industry in a certain direction and an article written 20 years ago seems outdated when there seems to be many more recent articles countering this. I don’t know what an in-line attribution is but if you’d like to help edit the piece so that it more reflects what the WRAP does today and not twenty years ago that’d be great!! CTMS31712264 (talk) 22:52, 22 September 2020 (UTC)

Also if I click on the reference in your last message does the removed section (the red bits in the edit history page) not show that I only edited the 2001 piece? Maybe it’s not just me who can make mistakes!! CTMS31712264 (talk) 22:54, 22 September 2020 (UTC)
 * I appreciate that you are new here, but if you are looking at this diff, which is the same one I linked above, and you cannot see where you removed a second reference and content cited to it, I struggle to take you at your word. Be that as it may, I will leave you with some general pointers; our content needs to reflect what reliable sources say about a subject (WP:DUE); if you want to change content, you need to find sources supporting the change you want to make (WP:NOR, WP:BURDEN); and you should always explain the changes you make by leaving edit-summaries (WP:ES). Vanamonde (Talk) 17:26, 23 September 2020 (UTC)