User talk:CT Cooper/Archive 2

Piedmont, California / Piedmont High School / User:Akhamenepour
thanks for the revert, any chance of speeding up the RFP I just submitted? Zedla (talk) 10:38, 21 February 2008 (UTC)
 * ✅ Done - I have also blocked the socks for a short time to prevent any further problems. Camaron | Chris (talk) 11:13, 21 February 2008 (UTC)

Hi, I am akhamenehpour, and I wanted to apologize for my poor behavior last night. Where I live, which is Piedmont, Ca, it was after 2 AM, and I was having a very bad week. I know that that is not an excuse for my mistakes, but I just wanted to ask you to forgive me. I now understand not to vandalize Wikipedia as I did to Piedmont + Piedmont, Ca, but I really wasn't doing it to vandalize Wikipedia, it was because I was having problems with the city and school administrations, and I saw this as a way of getting back at them. I know no that I shouldn't have done it. Chris, if I wanted to continue vandalizing, I wouldn't be writing this right now, I could have created another account to vandalize with. Besides, if I was really a vandal, I wouldn't have only been dealing with Piedmont, Ca and Piedmont High School. If you look at my edits before that, some were very productive, including one on the discography of Hassan Shamaizadeh. Please give me another chance. Block me for a week, two weeks, a month, but not indefinitely. You can always track changes I made and easily block me again. I am sorry and understand that last night I acted childish and immature and I shouldn't have unloaded my tensions and anger onto you. Even if you decide not to unblock me, please forgive me in your heart, as that is what counts. PS, I want to admit that last night I mad akhamenehpour1 and akhamenehpour2 mostly for vandalism. You can delete them now, as I don't need them and aren't going to use them. I also apologize for some of my vandalism on Alameda County and Piedmont Unified School District, last night. Thank You, Akhamenehpour —Preceding unsigned comment added by Akhamenehpour2 (talk • contribs) 20:59, 21 February 2008 (UTC)
 * Replied at User talk:Akhamenehpour2‎. Camaron | Chris (talk) 10:31, 22 February 2008 (UTC)

Stalking?
LOL what did I miss last night? Do you have any idea why I was being accused of stalking this person User:Stew Pedfar King Fool? Redfarmer (talk) 12:30, 21 February 2008 (UTC)
 * I think (s)he has probably noticed you adding sock puppet templates to the appropriate talk pages and has decided to complain to you about it. Anyway, the account is a obvious sock puppet and troll account of User:Lol I love moi car, who seems to cause disruption once at around the same time every day either using an IP or a new account. Camaron | Chris (talk) 12:57, 21 February 2008 (UTC)

Longshore Sailing School
I was just adding extra comments to the AfD and conflicted with your Keep, which is okay by me. I think the Keep may have been premature, since it was a consensus of only one editor and the COI creator of the page, but there wasn't a whole lot of discussion and time had expired, so no harm/no foul. The cites/refs added were weak and I have added my review of those on the article talk page. I suppose someone else might renom it for AfD, if it's decided that WP:N hasn't been sufficiently met. I'll leave it as it is for now as I was unable to find and add any reliable, verifiable sources to support the claims made. Other editors can review at their leisure. Regards -Daddy.twins (talk) 19:46, 21 February 2008 (UTC)
 * I have already re-listed it. I closed it as Keep not because of voting counting, but because I thought consensus had been reached that the new version was notable - your comments were based specifically on the old version, so were arguably superseded. Also, the AFD was well overdue closure. I would advise in the future to try and respond to later comments in AFDs and changes to the articles, to help those that come to close the AFD. Camaron | Chris (talk) 19:54, 21 February 2008 (UTC)
 * help those that come to close the AFD - will do. I was just revisiting (and adding new comments) today, so I was a bit late in re-reviewing and will try to take a break from 'real life' a little more often to hop into WP Life, especially for AfD's I'm participating in.  Regards - Daddy.twins (talk) 20:08, 21 February 2008 (UTC)
 * Thanks for understanding, and happy editing! Camaron | Chris (talk) 20:17, 21 February 2008 (UTC)

Your help please...
On December 19 2007 User:Kingboyk deleted eight articles I started. I didn't get any heads-up that there were concerns over these articles. So I didn't have an opportunity to address them.

I asked Kingboyk to userify them but they haven't been online for over three weeks.

Could you please move these articles, their histories and talk pages?

Thanks! Geo Swan (talk) 18:35, 25 February 2008 (UTC)


 * OK, I have userfied them all for you. Just be aware of WP:BLP as it still applies in the user space and only retain deleted articles in your user space if you are going to continue working on them to avoid complaints. Also, make sure the userfied articles remain out of any main space categories. Camaron | Chris (talk) 19:44, 25 February 2008 (UTC)


 * Please accept my apologies. I am afraid I may have made an inadvertent lapse from policy.  In the interests of brevity I didn't mention that I had made a request for userification for three of those articles, on DRV, prior to making my request to you.  I had no intent to deceive anyone.  Geo Swan (talk) 17:40, 27 February 2008 (UTC)


 * I am sure you didn't - I missed the deletion review, but as you requested the move and were the author of the articles and deletion review - it still was reasonable to userfy them on your request. They can easily be moved back if necessary anyway. Camaron | Chris (talk) 19:48, 27 February 2008 (UTC)

WP Schools Article guidelines
Hi there, wonder if you wouldn't mind giving a bit of assistance. There's an AfD going on for a middle school in Bedfordshire which is deemed secondary by the local authority. Looking at the proposed WP Schools Article guidelines, it falls in both the proposed notable and non notable camps. So as one of the two participants listed on the page (and the only UK based one!), I was wondering if you would clarify where a school like this one would stand. I should point out that I haven't given a 'keep' or 'delete' at the AfD, I was just wondering as there seems to be a few schools with thier own article listed at Middle Schools in England. Many thanks --Starrycupz (talk) 23:04, 27 February 2008 (UTC)
 * Hello, In terms of general notability, middle schools are not generally considered notable enough for their own article except in special cases, like with primary schools. Middle schools do overlap with both primary and secondary education, but AFDs I have seen seem to lean towards treating them as primary schools. Camaron | Chris (talk) 22:54, 29 February 2008 (UTC)

Another question
I hope I'm not bothering you, just trying to still soak everything up. Is there a way, for future reference, to edit the main page....in case something needs edited? Just wondering, an FYI sort of thing. Thanks....  D u s t i talk to me 17:55, 4 March 2008 (UTC)
 * I have replied on your talk page, as you seem to prefer that. Camaron | Chris (talk) 19:39, 4 March 2008 (UTC)
 * Thank you for the quick response. I understand what your saying about possible vandalism. Ok, thanks and happy editing  D u s t i talk to me 19:50, 4 March 2008 (UTC)

Tiffin School
Hi, I have just cleaned up this page. Would you carry out an independent assessment please, on the talk page, for the Project? TerriersFan (talk) 23:02, 4 March 2008 (UTC)
 * Thanks for letting me know. I have added this to my to-do list, I will do it tomorrow/asap. Camaron | Chris (talk) 20:31, 6 March 2008 (UTC)

Invite
Hi !

I noticed you were a member of WikiProject Education, and thought you might be interested in WikiProject Homeschooling. In this "WikiProject," we have been together working on the collaboration of Homeschooling-related articles. As a member, I really hope you can join, and let me know if you need any help signing up or with anything else. If you have any questions about the project you can ask at the project's talk page. Cheers!  RC-0722 communicator/kills 23:19, 4 March 2008 (UTC)


 * Thanks for the invite, I have had one before. I might join though I rarely edit home schooling articles. Camaron | Chris (talk) 20:32, 6 March 2008 (UTC)

My RfB
I wanted to personally thank you, Camaron, for your support in my recent RfB. I am thankful and appreciative that you feel that I am worthy of the trust the community requires of its bureaucrats, and I am especially thankful that you took the time to enunciate that clearly during the discussion; I hope to continue to behave in a way that maintains your trust in me and my actions. I have heard the community's voice that they require more of a presence at RfA's of prospective bureaucrats, and I will do my best over the near future to demonstrate such a presence and allow the community to see my philosophy and practices in action. I hope I can continue to count on your support when I decide to once again undergo an RfB. If you have any suggestions, comments, or constructive criticisms, please let me know via talkpage or e-mail. Thank you again. -- Avi (talk) 16:20, 7 March 2008 (UTC)
 * Responded on your talk page. Camaron | Chris (talk) 12:57, 8 March 2008 (UTC)

I'm Back
My "Adopter"" Fabrictramp has given me a challenge, to work on Michael Thomas Ford and clean the article up. Can you let me know how I'm doing so far. Fabrictramp is offline right now and you're the first person I thought of.  D u s t i talk to me 20:02, 7 March 2008 (UTC)
 * Responded on your talk page. Camaron | Chris (talk) 11:35, 8 March 2008 (UTC)

Emancipation Proclamation
This isn't directed at you personally, but it's time to vent about an absurd system: Wiki seems to have some incredibly weak standards about what is sufficient for indefinite semi-protection that only encourage vandalism and discourage constructive editing or editors. When almost all of the activity on a page is anon IP vandalism and reverting it (daily) one is left to ask: is there any purpose in allowing such editing on that particular page? Seems like a waste of resources for zero gain and intended to frustrate constructive editors.

I selected this one as a test to see how/if the system worked. What I have learned is that Wikipedia has little interest in aiding editors in preventing vandals in an intelligent manner. Instead the system is turned on its head: Make it easy for the vandals, hard for the editors and those who actually take the time to report it. It's not worth our time to even revert the vandalism. When I check the talk pages of the vandal IP's they often have a number of low level warnings with no teeth and no consequences--especially when you see several back-to-back final warnings. It's an ornate system that isn't used to any advantage that I can see. At any rate, I've learned what I needed to know: I'm not going to bother doing reverts, warnings, and requests for protection anymore as they are so transitory as to be useless. Red Harvest (talk) 21:54, 7 March 2008 (UTC)
 * Hello RedHarvest, this may not be directed at me personally but I don't think you would leave such comments on my talk page if you were not unhappy with my response to the protection request of the article you have mentioned. First, lets put this into perspective - I did actually accept your request for protection, I felt it was quite reasonable to protect the page given the current levels of disruption. I gave a protection time of 2 weeks, which is longer than the previous protection, and should prevent some significant vandalism for the near future. I did not indefinitely protect the page for several reasons: a) The page had only one previous protection, I found that quite surprising given the long-term vandalism on the page, but indefinitely semi-protecting a page can result in a page been protected for months, even years, which can block out a lot of good faith contributions - so there has to be a strong justification that temporary semi-protection has/will not work. b) An administrator has previously declined a separate protection request, you have to think carefully before protecting a page at all if another administrator appears to disagree with the decision - my response was a compromise to this in this case. c) A lot of the recent vandalism was coming from a similar IP range, which suggests it might be one user, semi-protection stops this and after a page has been protected for a reasonable amount of time, that one user may get board not return.


 * You are not the first person to think that administrators should take a more hard-line approach to vandalism (see WT:AIV), but I have to follow the spirit of policy and consensus, I cannot just do what I want with the tools. It is reasonable to be cautious when protecting pages, Wikipedia is supposed to be the free encyclopaedia after all. I am sorry you find it necessary that you are not going to bother doing reverts, warnings, and requests for protection anymore, though I do find your reason as they are so transitory as to be useless a bit strange when put at someone that accepted your request and spent the time carrying it out. Administrators spend a lot of time dealing with vandalism, and I think your assessment is rather unfair, the current system is not perfect but it gets a good mixture of allowing good faith edits while preventing a lot of vandalism. What is needed here I think is a bit more patience and faith; if vandalism continues after the current protection has expired, then yes I have a strong reason to indefinably protect the page. Anyway, happy editing with whatever you continue to contribute here. Camaron | Chris (talk) 11:17, 8 March 2008 (UTC)


 * The current system is a poor compromise that encourages vandalism far more that it encourages substantive editing. It takes an order of magnitude more effort to deal with vandalism than it does to vandalize.  "Patience and faith" are a poor substitute for improving a broken system.  Wiki administrators seem determined to carry out the fight with self-induced handicaps with little or no redeeming value, and that isn't something I'm willing to join them in doing--I'm not a masochist.  And from the looks of things, few other contributors are willing to waste their time in an effort that is stacked against them either.  In looking through the protection and vandalism pages and discussion there is a sense of self-reinforciing bureaucratic helplessness masquerading as idealism.  In the articles I watch I find that anonymous IP edits that actually contribute NPOV and verifiable information are very rare.  Typically the anon IP edits fill up pages of edit/revert cycles for vandalism while actual edits for real content are few.  (For example today on a sparsely edited page I found four month old vandal messages about "gay lovers" that have been missed during later edits--putting the whole system in disrepute.)  If Wiki decides to get serious about reducing disruptive edits, I will help, but the current system is not one that merits participation. Red Harvest (talk) 15:13, 10 March 2008 (UTC)


 * Being free and open is core value of Wikipedia, and this includes allowing unregistered users to edit articles. Everyone is welcome to contribute, but your opinions seem to echo those of Citizendium, and I am sure they are looking for more contributors. Camaron | Chris (talk) 16:45, 11 March 2008 (UTC)


 * "Being free and open" is not the same as encouraging blatant vandalism and effectively punishing efforts to minimize it. That is what is occurring at present.  I have no problem with unregistered users EDITING articles.  I do have a problem with wiki's comically impotent approach to unregistered users vandalizing articles with regularity.  The absurdity is in the refusal to aggressively target vandalism rather than editing.  It is distressing that administrators seem to be blind to a difference that is glaringly obvious to registered users. What I have picked up from reading discussions is that contributors want change, administrators do not. Red Harvest (talk) 23:21, 12 March 2008 (UTC)


 * OK, lets just do a quick reality check: Is this the administrators complaints department, no, do I I have the power to pass decrees on how Wikipedia operates, no. I am volunteer, not a punching bag, I am not punishing anybody, and administrators are operators not controllers. I am not sure what you are hoping to achieve in this discussion to be honest. You leave me in a difficult position - my talk page is for discussing my contributions or for asking questions or for getting help, not for "venting" on the Wikipedia system. Camaron | Chris (talk) 17:38, 13 March 2008 (UTC)

Scottevans05
Replied over at my talk page. Apologies for the inconvenience. Rudget (?) 12:58, 8 March 2008 (UTC)
 * Replied again on your talk page. Camaron | Chris (talk) 13:53, 8 March 2008 (UTC)

Abbey Middle School
Can I ask why you merged this article with Cauldwell? On the Articles for deletion/Abbey Middle School page a consensus on the article had not been reached? Bleaney (talk) 21:26, 9 March 2008 (UTC)
 * I disagree, I think there was rough consensus for a merge, and the AFD had been open plenty long enough for closure. A clear majority of users did not support keeping the article, and this remained so after the article was re-listed. A few suggested deletion, but they did not oppose redirecting, so it is fair to assume they thought a redirect would be alright. Only 2 users directly opposed a merge, of which I do not feel the arguments presented were strong enough, or received enough support, to give a no consensus result. If you want you can decide to recreate the article and try to improve it further, but beware that the article may be taken back to AFD. Camaron | Chris (talk) 22:32, 9 March 2008 (UTC)

Butterfield Elementary School (Lake Elsinore, California)
Thanks for the response on the Butterfield Elementary School article. I'll work on the areas you suggest as time allows.DavidPickett (talk) 15:21, 10 March 2008 (UTC)
 * You're welcome! Camaron | Chris (talk) 18:03, 10 March 2008 (UTC)

Sock puppet the fence
Hi, I think we have another sock puppet for User the fence User:Teethmany. His only contribution is to vandalize the same article Cave Clan and direct the vandalism towards me. Would it be possible for this account to be blocked as well. --User:Adam.J.W.C. (talk) (talk) 06:50, 11 March 2008 (UTC)
 * Yes the content been added strongly suggest a sock puppet, I have blocked it. Thanks for the heads up. Camaron | Chris (talk) 16:46, 11 March 2008 (UTC)
 * Thanks for that. Also sorry for the late reply, I can't edit from work any more.

I have one small issue concerning the Cave Clan article. It was a small list of explorable sites that I added. This list was constantly being blanked out by sock or Ip addresses. When the article was protected it was protected after an Ip address came along and removed content. I was wondering if some of the content can be added back. The only thing that I am interested in restoring is the list of explorable sites. The articles in the list are relevant to the topic of Urban Exploration, and this is where the mob in question take people on guided tours. The list is on the talk page for that article along with pictures of the sites with captions that might give some explanation as to why the articles are related. If the list was reinserted I think the appropriate header would be either, 'sites of urban exploration in Sydney' or something along those lines.

Also I wrote those articles and I also went to all the sites in question and took pictures which can be viewed in each article. Anyone that had a strong interest in urban exploration and the content of the Cave Clan article, would appreciate being lead to those articles. Cheers. --User:Adam.J.W.C. (talk) (talk) 22:32, 14 March 2008 (UTC)


 * The article has now been unprotected so feel free to add this information and links back if you think they are appropriate and follow the External links policy, if a non-vandal non-sock puppet user removes them - discuss it on the talk page. Camaron | Chris (talk) 20:18, 15 March 2008 (UTC)
 * Thanks for your help in this matter, I think the appropriate information has been restored. Cheers. --User:Adam.J.W.C. (talk) (talk) 22:32, 15 March 2008 (UTC)

My Talk Page
Care to join in on the conversation?  D u s t i talk to me 17:14, 12 March 2008 (UTC)
 * I am unfortunately a little busy currently - I will post my thoughts shortly. Camaron | Chris (talk) 19:00, 13 March 2008 (UTC)
 * Now responded. Camaron | Chris (talk) 20:10, 15 March 2008 (UTC)
 * Thank you for your thoughts. I will require help with that script. Not familiar in that area.  D u s t i talk to me 15:49, 17 March 2008 (UTC)
 * Can you provide some help? See the discussion on my talk page.  D u s t i talk to me 18:12, 17 March 2008 (UTC)
 * Hopefully what I have left on your talk page will help. Camaron | Chris (talk) 18:37, 17 March 2008 (UTC)
 * Thanks a lot. I have done what you said and do like the script. Thanks for everything, your awesome.  D u s t i talk to me 18:52, 17 March 2008 (UTC)
 * You're welcome. Camaron | Chris (talk) 20:25, 17 March 2008 (UTC)

First Edit
--  ThinkBlue  (Hit BLUE) 01:42, 16 March 2008 (UTC)
 * FROM YOUR FRIEND:
 * Thank you, wow it is hard to believe it has been an entire year already. Camaron | Chris (talk) 19:55, 16 March 2008 (UTC)

-- S M S  Talk 20:26, 16 March 2008 (UTC)


 * Thanks, I will try. Camaron | Chris (talk) 21:22, 16 March 2008 (UTC)

Poland
Hi, since you semi-protected Poland last time, maybe you could do so again? And for as long as is administratively possible;) It just seems to attract constant vandalism as soon as the protection expires (as it recently did). Thanks a lot, --Kotniski (talk) 17:38, 17 March 2008 (UTC)
 * ✅ Done I think you have a fair case and I have indefinitely semi-protected the page, the majority of edits being made to the article were vandalism - which makes a strong case for protection. However, it is possibly still worth trying unprotection occasionally to see if vandalism has slowed down. Camaron | Chris (talk) 17:56, 17 March 2008 (UTC)
 * Thanks :-) --Kotniski (talk) 18:05, 17 March 2008 (UTC)

AFD question
Do you think this AFD should be relisted? Articles for deletion/AMD Family10h  D u s t i talk to me 18:29, 18 March 2008 (UTC)
 * Replied on your talk page. Camaron | Chris (talk) 19:01, 18 March 2008 (UTC)

Vandal Fighter
I would like to download Vandal Fighter, however, I cannot get to the page due to restrictions. Is there another way that I will be able to get the script?  D u s t i talk to me 19:11, 18 March 2008 (UTC)
 * Replied on your talk page. Camaron | Chris (talk) 19:24, 18 March 2008 (UTC)
 * Even with VandalProof though, how am I going to get the script?  D u s t i talk to me 18:45, 19 March 2008 (UTC)

Colchis
We have created this article, but this captured by officers of Racist Georgian Goverment. They have converted to Georgian official propaganda text from that academic article with their quackish bad claims. You can block me, now. You can block us now, and all of us, so Laz-Mingrelian peoples now on wikipedia. But you can't never block historical facts and historical documentary materials evermore. You can't block, archaic classicals, so PROCOPIUS, JORDANES, AGATHIAS, XENEPHON and others.. And you can't deny these facts to the end of time.. Dauernd (talk) 12:48, 23 March 2008 (UTC))
 * I am just informing you, as I should do, about WP:3RR. To be honest I really do not understand what you are trying to say and what you are talking about - and neither do other editors. Camaron | Chris (talk) 14:51, 23 March 2008 (UTC)
 * Mr Camaron, this anon user has a history of vandalism on the article Colchis, he deletes well sources and referenced information and vandalizes the content with fake references which were checked by some users. He also has used racist attacks on the Georgian users and leaves blunt hate massages on the talk page. Iberieli (talk) 16:58, 24 March 2008 (UTC)
 * Yes I am not sure what this user is really aiming to achieve here, but he seems to have stopped for now. Camaron | Chris (talk) 18:43, 25 March 2008 (UTC)
 * Dear Camaron, he also uses this anon IP and continues to vandalize . Iberieli (talk) 19:56, 25 March 2008 (UTC)
 * Well I would just suggest for now you just continue to remove any offending content, in exceptional circumstances the talk page can be semi-protected. Camaron | Chris (talk) 21:18, 25 March 2008 (UTC)
 * Thank you very much for you advice Cameron! Cheers. Iberieli (talk) 22:16, 25 March 2008 (UTC)


 * Dear Camaron, this user does not stop racist attacks on this talk page . I don't know what to do. Iberieli (talk) 14:22, 27 March 2008 (UTC)


 * He also uses several ips and persistently attacks the pages Laz people, Mingrelians, etc., invariably describing Georgians as "fascists", "idiot racists", etc. I filed a checkuser request. I think this should be stopped at last.--KoberTalk 15:38, 27 March 2008 (UTC)


 * I think a check user might be a good idea, do make sure your request is eventually listed (it is not currently). Camaron | Chris (talk) 20:49, 27 March 2008 (UTC)


 * A checkuser revealed several related socks. As an admin noted "Dauernd looks to be Unrelated at a technical level but some form of coordination appears likely." However, the guy continues edit warring on several articles, refusing to participate in the discussion and removing references. See, for example. It is becoming really disturbing for regular contributors to the project. --KoberTalk 17:11, 29 March 2008 (UTC)


 * I don't know the history behind user:Dauernd but both he and user:Kober are equally responsible for the edit warring that is occuring at Mingrelians. They are both at 12RR and they were warned to stop at 7RR. Neither version of the article is better in my opinion and both versions make unsourced claims. Pocopocopocopoco (talk) 17:21, 29 March 2008 (UTC)


 * If you don't know the history behind that user, then you should refrain from suggesting your interpretations. Pocopocopocopoco has a long history of edit-warring against Georgian users and he's trying to expoint the situation. He follows each of my steps and tries to disrupt my contributions. That's how he appeared here. Needles to say, he persistently denies that and accuses me of "paranoia". --KoberTalk 17:40, 29 March 2008 (UTC)


 * Georgian articles are an interest of mine and not my only interest. I occasionally disagree with Kober and he tries to discredit the person and not the argument. Right now he is accusing me of following his steps and in the past he has accused another user that disagreed with him of stalking. The thing I don't understand is that Georgia is a small corner of the world, so I would think he should be more welcoming of others that take an interest. Instead he bites those that disagree with him. Just take a look at his responses to me in talk:Mingrelians. Pocopocopocopoco (talk) 17:57, 29 March 2008 (UTC)


 * I'd strongly advice you to explain a rationale for your support for Dauernd's removal of referenced info on talk:Mingrelians. I'm really sorry, dear Camaron, that the debate has spilled over into your talk page, but it is really difficult to deal with user:Dauernd who continues to play an "one-against-all" game and tries to harass me. --KoberTalk 18:03, 29 March 2008 (UTC)


 * I never supported Dauernd and he didn't really remove reference info because your reference (a non-peer reviewed online encyclopedia) was of questionable reliability. I was trying to stop the edit warring between the two of you and I posted a question in talk which you assumed bad faith. Camaron, you might want to look at the talk page, Kober has canvassed for support in the article and someone has come along and accused me of being a Georgiaphobe. Pocopocopocopoco (talk) 01:46, 30 March 2008 (UTC)
 * My reference was perfectly reliabile and I proved that on talk page (it is an online version of the World culture encyclopedia published by the University of Michigan Press in 1996). I added some other refs, btw. As for my message in Portal talk, it is not canvassing, but a request to opine. Please consult Canvassing. Your permanent attempts at discrediting me are ridiculous. Camaron, my apologies again.--KoberTalk 03:45, 30 March 2008 (UTC)

(unindent)Regardless of the fact that your post to the wikiproject doesn't violate the letter of WP:CANVAS it still goes against the spirit of that page when you are edit warring with someone and the number of revisions have exceeded the double digits and you make a post to a wikiproject requesting folks that would most likely agree with you to come to the article. The however the source didn't really support your claims anyway as the source said that Mingrelians consider themselves Georgians whereas the article is claiming that Mingrelians are a sub-group of Georgians. That's not the same thing. Pocopocopocopoco (talk) 04:18, 30 March 2008 (UTC)
 * Pocopocopocopoco, I'm urging you for the upteenth time to discuss the content-related issues in the article's talk and stop disturbing uninvolved users.--KoberTalk 04:21, 30 March 2008 (UTC)

I have to agree that it is probably best if you continue to discuss content related issues on the article talk page. It will help your case as well if you try and stay within WP:3RR, and try and discuss the topic not each other. As for the canvassing issue, I agree with being careful, but canvassing relevant WikiProjects in a neutral manner is not normally considered a bad thing - even if it was against policy it is not a serious enough issue to take administrative action over. Camaron | Chris (talk) 11:20, 30 March 2008 (UTC)

Vandalism
Dear Camaron,

This user continues blunt vandalism here and also removed vandalism warning from his talk page. He also also investigated for sockpopetry. He also vandalized my talk page. We need your help, I warned him on his talk page but he keeps removing the warning tag. Thanks a lot. Iberieli (talk) 13:58, 29 March 2008 (UTC)
 * Although it can drive people to extreme frustration and archiving is preferred, users are allowed to remove warnings from their talk page. Dauernd has now been blocked, he has ignored warnings and blatantly disregarded 3RR. If he continues once again after expiry, another block will be given for longer. Camaron | Chris (talk) 11:05, 30 March 2008 (UTC)
 * Just to let you know that I believe this was a one sided block and both sides in this dispute should have been blocked. There were probably together over 30 reverts in that article in the span of 24 hours. The issue was a content dispute and it was not vandalism as user:Iberieli alleges. Basically user:Iberieli forum shopped until he could find an admin to do the block. What I find frustrating is that I tried to get the parties to stop edit warring but they simply attacked me on the talk page and called me a Georgiaphobe. I think a one sided block enforces this type of behavior. I see no point in issuing blocks now as they should be preventative however the other side of this dispute (user:Kober and user:Iberieli) should get formal warning about avoiding edit warring and to use dispute resolution. Pocopocopocopoco (talk) 01:18, 31 March 2008 (UTC)
 * Well I think the definition of vandalism (which in simple form is exempt from 3RR) has been over stretched here, hence I do think both sides have technically violated 3RR. I was not the admin who blocked Dauernd, and as you said above further blocks will be more punitive than preventive - I am going to assume that Iberieli and Kober (whose behaviour has overall been notably different Dauernd) have now understood that 3RR still applies, and will observe 3RR per my earlier comment above. I will alert them to this discussion now. Camaron | Chris (talk) 16:58, 31 March 2008 (UTC)
 * Well, I’m not going to go into details about Pocopoco’s true motivations here. He has a long history of persistent attempts at discrediting Iberieli and me. His sudden appearance on your talk page and subsequent demands to block us also testify to that. He then typically tries to victimize himself. As for the Dauernd case, I do admit that I should have reported him to a 3RR board earlier, and should not have engaged in a revert war. On the other hand, I consider his behavior to be vandalism for a couple of reasons: 1) he was removing references and replacing them with a link to another Wikipedia entry without any valid reason; this pattern of behavior was noted by an absolutely neutral user who then reported him to the 3RR board; 2) Dauernd was polluting talk pages with accusations of fascism, racism and ethnic slurs; 3) a checkuser case revealed his likely association with the recent ip vandalism such as inserting profanities in a number of articles. You can check the admin’s note and the diffs I provided for that checkuser. Unfortunately, I will have to minimize my contributions to the project for two weeks or so, but I can explain you the reasons behind this controversy and the primary interest of all sides involved in it if you have an interest in this case. In the meantime, I’d like to wish you a Happy Birthday in advance.KoberTalk 17:37, 31 March 2008 (UTC)


 * Mr Camaron, I think there is great diference between people who use sock poppet accounts and vandalize well sourced materials and people who restore the deleted content. This prococo is stalking me (hence he found your talk page) and he should be warned against Wiki stalking. Another point is that admins should pay closer attention to vandal behavior and prevent damages to the articles. I have warned 4 admins about vandalism by Dauernd, and so far there has been no action to counter this. What do you expect us to do? allow the removal of referenced materials from articles because they do not suit Dauernd POVs? Did you observe his pattern of behavior? can you say its not vandalism? Here again, take a look: ,,, . What do we call this? Anyway, I want to ask you to take into consideration this facts of vandalism and take appropriate action which will limit this kind of behavior on wiki articles. Thanks a lot and Happy B-Day! Iberieli (talk) 18:29, 31 March 2008 (UTC)


 * To quote WP:3RR, There are other instances where multiple reverts may not constitute a breach of this policy:... ...reverts to remove simple and obvious vandalism, such as graffiti or page blanking – this exception applies only to the most simple and obvious vandalism, the kind that is immediately apparent to anyone reviewing the last edit. It is not sufficient if the vandalism is simply apparent to those contributing to the article, those familiar with the subject matter, or those removing the vandalism itself. (For other, less obvious forms of vandalism, please see Administrator intervention against vandalism or Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents);


 * I am going to have to say a flat no to the edits of Dauernd generally meeting this definition. No administrator has taken further action probably simply because it to much of a controversial case to take further unilateral admin action against this user. I think it may be better if you continue dispute resolution - and if that is not enough, take your concerns to a wider forum such as WP:ANI, Wikiquette alerts, or even Requests for comment/User conduct. I am going to be on holiday shortly, so I cannot play any bigger part in this case for now. Camaron | Chris (talk) 20:38, 31 March 2008 (UTC)


 * Oh and I almost forgot, thanks for wishing me a happy birthday in advance! Camaron | Chris (talk) 21:58, 31 March 2008 (UTC)

repeated requests for protection for philipine radio stations
Hello, you might want to look at this regarding the request for protection from radiosmaher Suspected_sock_puppets/Pinoybandwagon. It would appear that Pinoybandwagon stopped requesting the protections, and then radiosmasher continued. This would have been to avoid blocking for requesting the same thing again --Enric Naval (talk) 18:10, 30 March 2008 (UTC)


 * Yes, I agree it looks very suspicious. I will for the moment leave it and see what happens next, he has now had a clear final warning which can be used to justify a later block. I suspect that this sockpuppetry case will end in blocks anyway. Camaron | Chris (talk) 18:23, 30 March 2008 (UTC)

Ivybridge Community College
Hi I see you're on the assessment team for WikiProject Schools. I need an assessment for Ivybridge Community College. Please find some time to assess this article. Bsrboy (talk) 23:57, 30 March 2008 (UTC)
 * Thanks for letting me know, but it appears Alanbly (talk · contribs) has already assessed the article as Start-class. I would say myself that the article is very close to, if not already at, B-class, and it it would be worth requesting re-assessment soon if you can make more improvements i.e more pictures. Camaron | Chris (talk) 19:54, 31 March 2008 (UTC)

Could you offer your insight?
I respect your opinion and would like to have it in this case  D u s t i talk to me 17:30, 31 March 2008 (UTC) {Thanks for being helpful to me. Your great....)
 * I have reviewed the case. I have decided not to get involved on the grounds that you have said (very well) what needs to be said in your defence, and some editors over there may get unhappy if I come to defend you on your request, which would be counter-productive (though I personally see nothing wrong with the practice in general). I might be considered thin skinned, but I sympathise quite highly with you if you are quite unhappy with what has occurred over there. Nousernamesleft (talk · contribs) should have really asked clarification on you on what you had said before taking it to public talk pages, if at all. On another note - it is good to see you doing good article assessments, it is certainly a good thing to get skilled at. Camaron | Chris (talk) 20:18, 31 March 2008 (UTC)


 * Thanks a lot...again....your great  D u s t i talk to me 20:27, 31 March 2008 (UTC)

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 * Thanks, I will start getting into this project when I return from my wikibreak. Camaron | Chris (talk) 11:05, 1 April 2008 (UTC)

What is this?
I just found a link to this page on the current RFB and am lost....Help!!!  D u s t i talk to me 17:12, 1 April 2008 (UTC)
 * I think its some kind of April Fools joke, it seems to happening all over Wikipedia. Camaron | Chris (talk) 17:58, 1 April 2008 (UTC)
 * Can't believe I'm saying this....but poor Kurt....lol..:) Are you familiar with popups?  D u s t i talk to me 18:10, 1 April 2008 (UTC)
 * Yeah, I use them a lot. You can activate them very easily by going to my preferences -> Gadgets -> tick appropriate box. Or you can install them on your .js page as described on the page you have linked. Camaron | Chris (talk) 18:15, 1 April 2008 (UTC)
 * I cannot find where to revert a change. I have hovered over diff and history and all I see are actions and popups. I hover over and click those but nothing happens.  D u s t i talk to me 18:20, 1 April 2008 (UTC)
 * It should be under a menu that appears when you hover over actions, not sure what could be causing that problem. The only advice I can give is to clear your browsers cache or try an alternate browser. Camaron | Chris (talk) 18:36, 1 April 2008 (UTC)
 * Can you take a look at my monobook and let me know what you think? Maybe you'll be able to figure it out....  D u s t i talk to me 19:14, 1 April 2008 (UTC)
 * Can't see anything out of the ordinary unfortunately. Camaron | Chris (talk) 19:22, 1 April 2008 (UTC)
 * Is it capable with use and IE?  D u s t i talk to me 19:42, 1 April 2008 (UTC)
 * It works for me in both FireFox 2.0 and Internet Explorer 7, so yes. Camaron | Chris (talk) 19:47, 1 April 2008 (UTC)
 * I think I have it working now. Not positive yet.  D u s t i talk to me 19:52, 1 April 2008 (UTC)
 * That is good to hear, I won't be able to respond further as it is getting late here and I am going on holiday tomorrow. So good luck and happy editing! Camaron | Chris (talk) 20:48, 1 April 2008 (UTC)

Award 4 u!
Here you go. — ComputerGuy890100  Talk to meWhat I've done to help Wikipedia 20:16, 1 April 2008 (UTC)
 * Thanks! Camaron | Chris (talk) 20:49, 1 April 2008 (UTC)

YAY! A REWARD!
Congratulations on finding the link, enjoy your holiday! aliasd·U·T 00:45, 2 April 2008 (UTC)


 * Thank you! Camaron | Chris (talk) 09:41, 17 April 2008 (UTC)

Happy Birthday
Idontknow 610 TM 19:04, 10 April 2008 (UTC)

-- S M S  Talk 20:45, 10 April 2008 (UTC)


 * I was on holiday for my birthday, so I am late seeing these messages. However, thank you for your kind words - I did have a great day! Camaron | Chris (talk) 09:44, 17 April 2008 (UTC)

Your 17!!!
Happy Birthday!!!  D u s t i talk to me 19:08, 10 April 2008 (UTC)
 * Thanks! Only one year remaining to my all important 18. Camaron | Chris (talk) 09:45, 17 April 2008 (UTC)
 * Trust me its no different than any other day :)  D u s t i speak and be heard! 16:59, 17 April 2008 (UTC)
 * Oh well! :) Camaron | Chris (talk) 18:59, 17 April 2008 (UTC)
 * What is your view on this recent event?  D u s t i speak and be heard! 19:00, 17 April 2008 (UTC)
 * Replied on your talk page, sorry for the delay. Camaron | Chris (talk) 17:28, 20 April 2008 (UTC)

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 * Thanks! Camaron | Chris (talk) 17:28, 20 April 2008 (UTC)

thank spam

 * You're welcome, nice card. Camaron | Chris (talk) 18:56, 24 April 2008 (UTC)

Archiving
Need help again. Want to archive to 3rd archive, all threads older than 2 days. Also, is there a way to have archives automatically created. Can you do this for me? Bass ackwards on this lol.  D u s t i complain/compliment 19:16, 24 April 2008 (UTC)
 * Replied on your talk page. Camaron | Chris (talk) 14:36, 26 April 2008 (UTC)

Reza Pahlavi
I am Akhamenehpour and I would appreciate help and guidance regarding changes I have made to the page on Reza Pahlavi. I admire him greatly and have added his official portrait to his page in addition to fixing some infobox. Please tell me if everything is okay and help me with the copyright on the picture. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Akhamenehpour (talk • contribs) 06:07, 25 April 2008 (UTC)
 * I have replied on your talk page so I am sure you don't miss my reply. Camaron | Chris (talk) 14:58, 26 April 2008 (UTC)

Re: Cities XL
You're most welcome. Are you a fan of Cities XL? -- Ynhockey (Talk) 15:40, 26 April 2008 (UTC)
 * Not a mega fan no, but I do take an interest in city building games, I occasionally play them, and the Cities XL article does need attention. Camaron | Chris (talk) 15:44, 26 April 2008 (UTC)

Re: Barney
and its indefinite semi-pro...if you were older, I'd give you a great big smooch for this one. THANK YOU SO MUCH!!!Gladys J Cortez 17:47, 26 April 2008 (UTC)
 * You're welcome, happy editing! Camaron | Chris (talk) 19:46, 26 April 2008 (UTC)

Wheel, wheel
At Sean Hannity, the history is that Hannity supporters have no quality sources to cite that reviews his books favorably because they do not exist. So they dislike that and want to remove the negative reviews. Sorry, but a book that only receives negative reviews is just that. They then gripe to a sysop, who drives by and locks the page. Hannity supporters then have a month to find the positive reviews, and discover they don't exist. Then those people go on to other things, a period goes by, and new Hannity supporters come along, and then the same thing starts all over again. That's just stupid and you played right into it. Ewenss (talk) 19:42, 28 April 2008 (UTC)
 * For starters, it was not drive-by protection - PTR (talk · contribs), another user involved in the dispute who seems to be acting quite reasonably to me, requested it at WP:RFPP. Please discuss it on the talk page and come up with a resolution, you can start dispute resolution procedures if necessary. Edit warring, as was happening, is not the answer. Looking at the edit history, please also be mindful of WP:3RR, note that users can still be blocked for edit warring even if they do not technically violate this policy. WP:ATWV also comes to mind. Camaron | Chris (talk) 19:57, 28 April 2008 (UTC)
 * It was drive by precisely, and your reply, which ignores everything I said, shows so. You were unaware of the history of the article and took no time to seriously research the content. Ewenss (talk) 23:10, 28 April 2008 (UTC)
 * I spent quite a lot of time researching before protecting the page, actually. I did not ignore your reply, I have just assessed that your reasoning does not justify edit warring as far as I, and policy, is concerned. I assume you are trying to convince me to unprotect the page, well gain a consensus on the content of the page, pursue dispute resolution, and/or show that edit warring will not re-start the moment I unprotect the page - then I will seriously consider it. Currently none of that is happening, though I hope a start can be made with the mention of children in the article. Camaron | Chris (talk) 18:39, 29 April 2008 (UTC)

Winshill
Hiya, I've logged a checkuser request here. Cheers, DWaterson (talk) 20:49, 28 April 2008 (UTC)
 * Good idea, this user clearly has loads of sleeper accounts and is not going to stop. I am trying semi-protection of the page for now as I cannot keep up defence of the article with this level of disruption. It may have to be upgraded to full. Camaron | Chris (talk) 20:53, 28 April 2008 (UTC)
 * With regret, I have now had to completely lock down the article - it is the only way currently to stop the disruption, the checkuser should help. Camaron | Chris (talk) 21:09, 28 April 2008 (UTC)
 * I requested the page be unprotected and now somebody constantly ruins it. I live in Winshill, and I've been updating it with standard facts in my own words, using my own local photographs. I'm sick and bloody tired of it being constantly locked. Please advise on what you plan to do, because quite frankly I don't believe there's no way to block out all revisions bar those of trusted individuals.--mikejamestaylor (talk) 13:08, 29 April 2008 (UTC)
 * It's not even as if the place should spark that much interest!--mikejamestaylor (talk) 13:09, 29 April 2008 (UTC)


 * I am sorry you are annoyed at the page protection, I did try and avoid it but unfortunately it was necessary. There is one very determined person out there which is trying at all costs to insert copyright violations into the article. S/he is doing this by using loads of sleeper user accounts and using them one by one to try and insert the copyvio into the article. I have tried to block the individual accounts but this user has just created so many for disruption that I was fighting a losing battle with that method. That leaves me with the option of protecting the article either as semi-protection or full-protection. Semi-protection does not work as it only blocks out IPs and new user accounts - the person has got around this by creating loads of sleeper accounts and waiting until they are old enough to get around the semi-protection. Full protection blocks out all non-admin users and works, but unfortunately at a heavy price.


 * The best way to stop this user would be to block the IPs his/her is using to cause the disruption, unfortunately only a few people with the Checkuser privilege can find out the IPs of registered users for privacy, so this is not possible until a request (as linked above) is fulfilled which should hopefully occur shortly. Once this is done the page can be unprotected again. In the meantime you might want to copy the content of the page over to a place in your user space like User:Mikejamestaylor/Sandbox and draft the changes you want to make there so they can be later implemented, and/or I can update the page for you if you request it here. Camaron | Chris (talk) 18:26, 29 April 2008 (UTC)

Request removal of names of Sean Hannity's children from the artilce
I do understand the article is protected, but could you at least removed the names of children who are under the age of 18. Please advise, while I understand their names are published, they are themselves not notable, and for privacy reasons, I feel their names should be removed. Let me know your thoughts. thanks, It is me i think (talk) 22:45, 28 April 2008 (UTC)


 * Hello, I have to say this is a difficult one. Once articles are fully protected they should not be edited by administrators except to remove obviously inappropriate content such as vandalism, severe WP:BLP violations, and copyright violations, per WP:PREFER. This does relate to BLP with Biographies of living_persons, however is not a blatant violation and its removal is part of the content dispute. Since your discussion on this on the talk page does not seem to be going anywhere, maybe you can try out Third opinion. Camaron | Chris (talk) 17:49, 29 April 2008 (UTC)


 * Actually, you seem to have already got a third opinion which was for the removal, and Ewenss does not seem to be objecting to the removal either now given talk page comments, so I will take it out. Camaron | Chris (talk) 17:56, 29 April 2008 (UTC)


 * Thinking even more, I will bring it up again on the talk page before doing it. Camaron | Chris (talk) 18:00, 29 April 2008 (UTC)
 * /thanks so much It is me i think (talk) 00:02, 30 April 2008 (UTC)


 * Thanks for the removal. It is me i think (talk) 18:11, 30 April 2008 (UTC)


 * You're welcome. Camaron | Chris (talk) 18:19, 30 April 2008 (UTC)

Oy vey. >.<
Not pointing at you, but there's been a horrible mistake in the redirect of the Mayberry Middle School page. It's not in Wichita Falls, Texas....it's in Wichita, Kansas! It shouldn't have been redirected to the Wichita Falls, Texas district article. Just wanted to point it out!

-L337p4wn (talk) 22:48, 4 May 2008 (UTC)
 * The article actually had incorrect information in it stating it was part of Wichita Falls Independent School District - no one corrected this mistake resulting in confusion among AFD participants. I unfortunately did not spot this mistake either and merged it into the pointed out school district article thinking it was the most appropriate, and nobody immediately post-AFD spotted it either. Somebody had already removed the content of the merge from the district article after correctly realising the school did not exist there, resulting in a broken merger. I have now corrected everything so it should all be correct. Thank you for pointing it out. Camaron | Chris (talk) 09:32, 5 May 2008 (UTC)

No, thank you! Now the article is in the right place. ^.^

L337p4wn (talk) 14:19, 5 May 2008 (UTC)


 * You're welcome. Camaron | Chris (talk) 16:10, 5 May 2008 (UTC)

Barnstars
Is there a Resilience Barnstar?. ' Chubb ' enna  itor  16:05, 5 May 2008 (UTC)
 * Yeah, its at Template:The Resilient Barnstar. Camaron | Chris (talk) 16:08, 5 May 2008 (UTC)

Earthlink Address
The warning made me go huh? I know the address is Earthlink and I know how to report abuse too Earthlink. What I do not know is the meaning of a cryptic warning like that.65.87.184.50 (talk) 15:13, 9 May 2008 (UTC)
 * Replied on 65.87.184.50's talk page. Camaron | Chris (talk) 15:32, 9 May 2008 (UTC)

Tss8071 ipsock
Excellent block on that IP, definitely looks to be the same user. Dreadstar †  22:28, 9 May 2008 (UTC)
 * I have now semi-protected the talk page as well, as this user has refused directly to use it for productive purposes and is only using it for incivility and offensive remarks - which now really justifies a block on it's own regardless of the sock puppetry case, s/he has been given enough chances. What it ultimately comes down to, I certainley see no benifit to Wikipedia on unblocking this IP, it does not appear to be shared, and has no history of making direct constructive contributions to the encyclopedia. Camaron | Chris (talk) 19:18, 10 May 2008 (UTC)

ESC 2008 anon etc
Hey Camaron, I blocked the IP for 55 hours with a warning. I'll keep my eyes peeled, let me know if I miss something. You're right to step away from conflicts in which you're personally involved. Good luck with your exams, I think I remember when I was going through the same thing... take it easy if you can! The Rambling Man (talk) 17:37, 11 May 2008 (UTC)
 * Thank you for your help and also for the good luck for the exams, I might well need it! I will try not to over do it though. See you around. Camaron | Chris (talk) 18:35, 11 May 2008 (UTC)

Vandalism report
Hello, do you believe the placement of a vandalism report by User:Appletrees was disruptive? I do, but I didn't see any repercussions against this editor, who is habitually incivil and an inveterate blanker of others' text. Badagnani (talk) 19:00, 11 May 2008 (UTC)
 * I have left a note with Appletrees stating I have declined his report and giving suggestions. I don't know the details of this dispute, but I would recommend you just disengage from each other for a while. Although it is not advisable, users are allowed to remove comments from their own talk pages. Camaron | Chris (talk) 19:23, 11 May 2008 (UTC)

Rfb participation thanks
Hello, Chris.

I wanted to personally thank you for taking part in the project-wide discussions regarding my candidacy for bureaucratship. After bureaucratic discussion, the bureaucrats decided that there was sufficient significant and varied opposition to my candidacy, and thus no consensus to promote. Although personally disappointed, I both understand and respect their decision, especially in light of historical conservatism the project has had when selecting its bureaucrats. If you have any further suggestions or comments as to how you think I could help the project, please let me know. Once again, thank you for your both your early and strong support -- Avi (talk) 16:30, 12 May 2008 (UTC)
 * Replied on your talk page. Camaron | Chris (talk) 16:44, 12 May 2008 (UTC)

Some assistance, please
User:Appletrees is persistently accusing me of "making personal attacks" just as he did against User:Badagnani, but now he's claiming that my personal page is "directed at him." He tells me that his "Watchlist" is clearly proof that I am editing articles "directed at him," but I can state categorically that I have never read or seen his Watchlist--I simply don't care. Any assistance you can provide would be appreciated. -WikiSkeptic (talk) 17:48, 12 May 2008 (UTC)
 * Replied on your talk page as you have been blocked. Camaron | Chris (talk) 20:28, 12 May 2008 (UTC)


 * Thank you for looking into the case. I did not expect that he used your previous advice to me for dragging me into his own case. Well, I admit that User:Badagnani and I have some issues on Korean cuisine articles due to matters revolving original research/unreliable sources/sources written in Korean. But we used to be good participants to each other unlike the horrendous racial/personal attack case. If things would go heated up between Badagnani and me, I would remain civil as possible. I appreciate your caring. Regards --Appletrees (talk) 21:33, 12 May 2008 (UTC)


 * You're welcome - I am glad I have been of help. Remaining civil will get you far, so I am glad you are going to keep to this approach. Happy editing. Camaron | Chris (talk) 21:48, 12 May 2008 (UTC)

Thanks
I appreciate the links. Thank you for being so supportive. It's nice to feel welcome.

Peace, gaia9 (talk) 20:47, 14 May 2008 (UTC)


 * You're welcome, I hope you enjoy contributing, and thank you for helping improve the essay I created as your first edit. Camaron | Chris (talk) 21:29, 14 May 2008 (UTC)

WP:HAU has a new format
Due to popular demand, HAU has a new look. Since the changes are so dramatic, I may have made some mistakes when translating the data. Please take a look at WP:HAU/EU and make sure your checkmarks are in the right place and feel free to add or remove some. There is a new feature, SoxBot V, a recently approved bot, automatically updates your online/offline status based on the length of time since your last edit. To allow SoxBot V to do this, you'll need to copy to your userpage. Obviously you are not required to add this to your userpage, however, without this, your status will always be "offline" at HAU. Thanks. Useight (talk) 17:14, 17 May 2008 (UTC)
 * I have already added myself to the StatusBot's category and have checked and confirmed the ticks for my account. Thanks for letting me know. Camaron | Chris (talk) 18:46, 17 May 2008 (UTC)

Solar energy
Hello. I noticed you reduced the protection time on the Solar energy page. Check out the comments by the IP who requested the reduction on the Solar energy talk page. The page was protected in part because the IP is forking a large chunk of the page. I am the principle author of the page and I would like to see it stay together. I've asked for a peer review from the Energy group and the general Wiki community. The suggestions have been helpful and after they are incorporated I'll hopefully get the A-Team or the League to copy edit. I hope you consider raising the protection time to a month. This should give the page enough stability to get through the PR and onto a group copy edit. Thank you. Mrshaba (talk) 04:06, 20 May 2008 (UTC)


 * If I did that it would be a violation of protection policy - semi-protection can generally only be used on articles to keep out vandals and disruptive editors when blocking is not a feasible option. It must not be used just to keep out unregistered users, and definitely not to resolve content disputes, which this appears to be. This user seems to me to be a knowledgeable good faith contributor, try and settle this with the user on the talk page, maybe requesting a third opinion would be a good idea here. If edit warring gets out of control the article may be protected, but it will be full protection to give fairness to all those in the dispute. Camaron | Chris (talk) 09:33, 21 May 2008 (UTC)


 * It's 18:50 and the page is still protected. Can you fix it so that it is unprotected? Thanks. 199.125.109.43 (talk) 18:50, 21 May 2008 (UTC)
 * Never mind. It's not protected. It must have been a caching issue - it said view source but when I clicked on it the edit screen came up. 199.125.109.43 (talk) 19:07, 21 May 2008 (UTC)


 * Unfortunately within a few hours of been unprotected the article has already received significant vandalism. I have just had to combat an attack of several IPs, all from interestingly San Jose Unified School District. I blocked one which went over a final warning and they appear to have stopped for now. Camaron | Chris (talk) 20:21, 21 May 2008 (UTC)
 * Yes, but that level of childishness is not a big deal. If I didn't know better I would even say it was one kid in the computer lab. If they want to get blocked, so be it. 199.125.109.43 (talk) 21:01, 21 May 2008 (UTC)


 * Ofcourse, as long as it does not get out of control. Camaron | Chris (talk) 21:26, 21 May 2008 (UTC)

My Recent Rfa
I would just like to say thanks for the neutral vote in my recent RFA. I will still say thanks as from your comments and the other users comments that opposed me and gave me a neutral vote have made me make a todo list for before my next RFA. I hope I will have resolved all of the issues before then and I hope that you would be able to support me in the future. If you would like to reply to this message or have any more suggestions for me then please message me on my talk page as I will not be checking back here. Thanks again.  ·Add§hore·  T alk /C ont 16:36, 20 May 2008 (UTC)
 * Replied on your talk page as requested. Camaron | Chris (talk) 09:43, 21 May 2008 (UTC)

Commons
How on earth did you find out so fast? :O dihydrogen monoxide (H2O) 11:16, 24 May 2008 (UTC)
 * Replied on your commons talk page. Camaron | Chris (talk) 11:34, 24 May 2008 (UTC)
 * Appreciated! dihydrogen monoxide (H2O) 01:31, 25 May 2008 (UTC)

My RfA
Hey Camaron. I would like to thank you for your support in my RfA and the confidence expressed thereby. I appreciate your trust. :) Best wishes, —αἰτίας •'discussion'• 18:37, 24 May 2008 (UTC)
 * You're welcome. Camaron | Chris (talk) 10:09, 25 May 2008 (UTC)

ESC 2009
I doing my work --- deleting speculations and writing true infos,JUST SEE THE ESC 2009 HISTORYDunaszerdahely (talk) 19:36, 25 May 2008 (UTC)
 * That doesn't seem to be what I am reading from policy. See the tags that have been added - I am trying to delete speculation and add verifiable information. Camaron | Chris (talk) 19:40, 25 May 2008 (UTC)
 * you delete my write. why? I not understand... you rude :(--87.78.158.100 (talk) 20:19, 26 May 2008 (UTC)
 * I have left a comment on your talk page, how exactly have I been rude? Camaron | Chris (talk) 21:54, 26 May 2008 (UTC)

Solar energy protection
You mind having a chat with User:Anthony Appleyard about the inappropriateness of protecting Solar energy just so that an SPA can edit it the way they like and ignore the wishes of the community? 199.125.109.31 (talk) 14:38, 31 May 2008 (UTC)
 * Sorry about my lack of response, I had exams so I decided to wait until after they were over before dealing with this. I will review the situation and leave a message with Anthony Appleyard as soon as I get round to it now. Camaron2 | Chris (talk) 15:23, 3 June 2008 (UTC)
 * I have left a message with Anthony Appleyard. I have to conclude that I think the article should be unprotected. Camaron | Chris (talk) 20:01, 6 June 2008 (UTC)


 * Hello Camaron... Please have a look at this: Rfc Pictures. That was 2 months of time and effort that led to a disregarded consensus. This Anon makes a big stink about editing the page but hasn't added more than a few sentences and the lead picture. You seem to think this is a content issue but I beg to differ. Frequent incivility and disruption should be recognized and dealt with. I think the general level of vandalism (which you've seen) on the page justifies protection alone. Regardless of protection this Anon seems to have some sockpuppets running around so the protection of the page is relatively moot. But the thing is... You've limited two page protections now. If this situation happens to come up again I'd ask that you checked out the talk archives before acting to limit protection. Cheers Mrshaba (talk) 22:08, 6 June 2008 (UTC)


 * Frequent incivility and disruption should be dealt with, some inadvisable behaviour, but I cannot see any of that to a significant extent there or elsewhere. Vandalism occurs on that page but not currently at a level which justifies protection. I will do my research, as I did before, if this comes up again but I will act to limit protection within the protection policy as necessary. Camaron | Chris (talk) 19:01, 9 June 2008 (UTC)

Hey!
Do you happen to be online at the moment?  D u s t i complain/compliment 16:34, 3 June 2008 (UTC)
 * Hey Dusti, I am for the moment. Camaron | Chris (talk) 20:02, 3 June 2008 (UTC)
 * Well, what I was going to ask you has changed....see here and here. You'll get the drift. Nevermind now though lol :D.  D u s t i complain/compliment 22:09, 3 June 2008 (UTC)
 * OK, I think you will do well with Keeper. If you need any additional help, I am still available Camaron | Chris (talk) 10:18, 4 June 2008 (UTC)

WP:HAU
Hello yet again. I regretfully inform you that the bot we were using to update the user status at Highly Active Users, SoxBot V, was blocked for its constant updating. With this bot out of operation, a patch is in the works. Until that patch is reviewed and accepted by the developers, some options have been presented to use as workarounds: 1) Qui monobook (not available in Internet Explorer); 2) User:Hersfold/StatusTemplate; 3) Manually updating User:StatusBot/Status/USERNAME; or 4) Not worry about it and wait for the patch to go through, which hopefully won't take long. If you have another method, you can use that, too. If you have any questions, feel free to contact me. Useight (talk) 22:20, 3 June 2008 (UTC)
 * Thanks for letting me know, I think I will just wait for the patch for now. Camaron | Chris (talk) 10:16, 4 June 2008 (UTC)

Re: Scotland in the Eurovision Song Contest
Thanks for transferring the rest of that article's history. There's just one minor quibble though, as the AfD closure also dictated deletion (rather than redirection) of the Scotland article. While redirects are cheap, "Scotland in the Eurovision Song Contest" is a very unlikely search term and no other article links to it. When and if Scotland does enter the competition, the article could be spun off again. I hope you don't mind but I'm going to go ahead and delete the redirect and its talk page. Cheers, ˉˉanetode╦╩ 21:49, 4 June 2008 (UTC)


 * Well I to be honest disagree, the article was there for a while and I can see many people, such as myself, using it as a search term given other articles use the same naming conventions. If the AFD dictated deletion, which is arguable as redirects fall outside the scope of AfD, then I have no choice but to dispute the AFD result. Redirects are cheap, so maybe the question that should be asked is why is a redirect so inappropriate? Significant later AFD comments supported redirection, no reason has been given on why the suggestion to redirect was dismissed. I also dispute the redirect deletion under WP:CSD as it is not an implausible typo, and after checking the dictionary definition, nor a misonemer. Camaron | Chris (talk) 18:54, 5 June 2008 (UTC)


 * I also have to ask what was wrong with the simpler and more common method, as far as I can see, way of merging articles which is to simply redirect the page, move the content into the article been merged into, and add to the redirect. It is easier to find the page history when it is not all combined in one article. In addition, if the article is recreated it is easier to have all the versions ever created for that article in one place.  For this reason I also support reversing the history merger, which can be done. Camaron | Chris (talk) 19:33, 5 June 2008 (UTC)
 * Very well, I've undeleted the redirect. As you've said, redirects are cheap and there's no reason to quibble over such a minor concern. Cheers, ˉˉanetode╦╩ 08:17, 6 June 2008 (UTC)
 * Thank you Anetode. Camaron | Chris (talk) 08:47, 6 June 2008 (UTC)

Why
Why Did you block me? I have some questions about the "Attention" (where you contact my server thing) thing you gave me. What does it do ? please contact me via my user talk/on here (both would be prefferable) thanks. Also what is going to happen? I am sorry if i vandalized. I just asked what i did worng so that i wouldnt do it a gain the next day BAM that shows up! plz help!

I'm sorry if it wasn't you. It just looked like it from the page history :P. Thanks:)! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 207.34.90.227 (talk) 01:13, 7 June 2008 (UTC)
 * You weren't blocked. The template I added is just to let administrators know who the IP address belongs to so in the event of abuse they can be contacted. Don't worry - this is added to a lot of talk pages and doesn't necessarily mean that someone is actually right now using the IP address for abuse. In this case, as far as I can see this IP address is not been used for abuse. Camaron | Chris (talk) 19:17, 7 June 2008 (UTC)

Oh thank heavens...I thought something bad was going to happen. Thank you so much. I had no idea. I know someone accused me of vandalizing but I admit I may have, but I asked how I did so that I wouldn't do it again:). Also, the "vandalizing " was fixed.  So no worries:)! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 207.34.90.227 (talk) 23:40, 7 June 2008 (UTC)

WP:WPSCH/A
Thanks, will do. I have been adding infoboxes to school articles and assessing as I go along. If that's not okay, I can make notations as well on the project page as well. — Calebrw (talk) 19:06, 9 June 2008 (UTC)
 * In the past the project has proffered that new assessors list all their assessments on the project page, though I personally don't mind if you don't unless you are in doubt on a rating. However everybody should generally list assessments if it involves giving an article rating higher than Start, or/and importance higher than Mid. Camaron | Chris (talk) 19:15, 9 June 2008 (UTC)
 * I have listed all my assessments since today. If you would like to review them, you may, just to see that I know what I'm doing. I tried to clear as much of the assessment request backlog as I could. (WikiProject_Schools/Assessment) I got up to mid-April and will hopefully complete the rest of it tomorrow. — Calebrw (talk) 01:29, 10 June 2008 (UTC)
 * PS: Please respond on my Talk page, so I get the notification. ;) —Preceding unsigned comment added by Calebrw (talk • contribs) 01:38, 10 June 2008 (UTC)
 * Replied on your talk page as requested. Camaron | Chris (talk) 17:22, 10 June 2008 (UTC)
 * Great, thanks. I will do this in the future. Sorry for any inconvenience. — Calebrw (talk) 20:27, 10 June 2008 (UTC)

Plagarism removed from Shawnigan Lake School article.
Please see talk page of Shawnigan Lake School. I discovered that the History section was a near word-for-word plagiarism of http://www.bcarchives.gov.bc.ca/cgi-bin/text2html/finding/government/.ms_finding//MS-1485.txt and this needs to cited correctly. It is cited in-text once, but that is it.

I discovered this during a requested assessment of this article. The rest looks good. — Calebrw (talk) 21:09, 10 June 2008 (UTC)

EUROVISION
Why withdraw the part of spokepersons and commentators on the page of the Eurovision Song Contest 2008, as if in the pages of the editions of the other years because there would be in this be? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 81.84.129.149 (talk) 21:38, 12 June 2008 (UTC)
 * See my comments on the ESC 2008 talk page. Camaron | Chris (talk) 15:36, 13 June 2008 (UTC)

My RFB
Thank you for your comments in my RFB. Since it was only at 64%, it was a shoo-in to be unsuccessful, so I withdrew. I didn't want it to run until its scheduled close time because my intent in standing for RFB was to help the bureaucrats with their workload, not give them one more RfX to close. Through the course of my RFB, I received some very valuable feedback, some of it was contradictary, but other points were well agreed upon. I have ceased my admin coaching for now to give me time to revamp my method. I don't want to give up coaching completely, but I'm going to find a different angle from which to approach it. As for my RFA Standards, I am going to do some deep intraspection. I wrote those standards six months ago and I will slowly retool them. This will take some time for me to really dig down and express what I want in an admin candidate. If, after some serious time of deep thought, I don't find anything to change in them, I'll leave them the way they are. I'm not going to change them just because of some community disagreement as to what they should be. Will I stand for RFB again in the future? I don't know. Perhaps some time down the road, when my tenure as an administrator is greater than one year, if there is a pressing need for more active bureaucrats, maybe. If there no pressing need, then maybe not. Useight (talk) 03:08, 13 June 2008 (UTC)

Washburn High School
In addition to your work at WP:WPSCH/A, I would appreciate if you could take some time to look at Washburn High School, which I've been working on for the past 3 days or so. I have a peer review already setup. I know it needs work, but you might have some additional insight.

Thanks, — Calebrw (talk) 02:23, 15 June 2008 (UTC)
 * I will give a full reply, re-assess, and add to the peer review shortly. Camaron | Chris (talk) 19:17, 18 June 2008 (UTC)
 * ✅ Done Camaron | Chris (talk) 14:05, 22 June 2008 (UTC)

Conformation
I have requested that the local Camaron usernames on the Español and Francais Wikipedias be usurped out of the way for a re-attempt by me to create a global log-in account. I am using my alternate already unified account - Camaron2. Camaron | Chris (talk) 20:03, 23 June 2008 (UTC)

Spokespersons
I added the names that were missing from the spokespersons section.I hope you dont mind. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 202.161.76.219 (talk)
 * No I don't mind, add to it as you feel is appropriate, sourced content is preferred. Camaron | Chris (talk) 10:58, 7 July 2008 (UTC)

OK i will add as much as possible,and I can only source youtube as a source if that is acceptable. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 202.161.76.219 (talk) 13:13, 10 July 2008 (UTC)

Now all the spokesperson section have been completed.Israeli,Cypriot and the French name still have to be confirmed. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 202.161.76.219 (talk) 08:06, 11 July 2008 (UTC)
 * Excellent, thank you for your help. If you find info from YouTube it is usually from a TV program of some sort - if that is the case cite the TV program. Camaron | Chris (talk) 09:50, 12 July 2008 (UTC)

So what will happen with this section?The spokespersons are part of the show,are they gonna be listed in the eurovision 2008 article? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 202.161.76.219 (talk) 11:27, 23 July 2008 (UTC)


 * Well the original plan was to divide them up and place them in each X country in the Eurovision Song Contest 2008 article. Implementing it is next on my list of things to do. Camaron | Chris (talk) 18:37, 23 July 2008 (UTC)

Welcome to WP:Sims
If you have any questions, don't hesitate to ask me on my talk page or on the project talk page. Thanks!  E  E 14:54, 7 July 2008 (UTC)
 * Thanks for the welcome. Camaron | Chris (talk) 16:01, 7 July 2008 (UTC)

"Level 1 Warning"
Hello Camaron, I'm new here in english-speaking wikipedia. Can you tell me what a "Level 1 Warning" is? Greetings, Pink Evolution (talk) 19:52, 12 July 2008 (UTC)
 * Hello, template warnings, such as the one you used on a unregistered user, come in different levels on how they treat the user they are given to, these are...


 * Level 1 – Assumes good faith. Generally includes "Welcome to Wikipedia" or some variant.
 * Level 2 – No faith assumption
 * Level 3 – Assumes bad faith; cease and desist
 * Level 4 – Assumes bad faith; strong cease and desist, last warning
 * Level 4im – Assumes bad faith; strong cease and desist, first and only warning

A catalogue of user warnings can be found at Template messages/User talk namespace, with different levels for every warning type. An example of escalating warnings is with warning a user about making vandalism edits....

If you vandalize Wikipedia again, you will be blocked from editing.
 * Level 1 warning (uw-vandalism1): [[Image:Information.svg|25px]] Welcome to Wikipedia. Although everyone is welcome to make constructive contributions to Wikipedia, at least one of your recent edits did not appear to be constructive and has been reverted or removed. Please use the sandbox for any test edits you would like to make, and take a look at the welcome page to learn more about contributing to this encyclopedia.
 * Level 2 warning (uw-vandalim2): [[Image:Information.svg|25px]] Please refrain from making unconstructive edits to Wikipedia. Your edits appear to constitute vandalism and have been reverted. If you would like to experiment, please use the sandbox.
 * Level 3 warning (uw-vandalism3): [[Image:Nuvola apps important.svg|25px]] Please stop your disruptive editing. If your vandalism continues, you will be blocked from editing Wikipedia.
 * Level 4 warning (uw-vandalism4): [[Image:Stop hand nuvola.svg|30px]] This is the last warning you will receive for your disruptive edits. If you vandalize Wikipedia again, you will be blocked from editing.
 * Level 4im warning (uw-vandalism4im): [[Image:Stop hand nuvola.svg|30px]] This is the only warning you will receive for your disruptive edits.

When a user does an inappropriate action, another user will warn them usually starting at a level 1 warning. If the user ignores this warning then a new warning is given at the next level up (such as level 2), and the warnings will continue escalating if a user does not stop. For administrators to justify a block, a recent level 3 or level 4 warning will need to have been given. Hope that helps you understand. Camaron | Chris (talk) 20:05, 12 July 2008 (UTC)

Glendora Curve
Re: this Nowhere near the 3rr, the template instructs discussion, which was going on above where you put the template (you thus killed the discussion) and my last edit was 4 hours before you templated me. All in all, a very bad bit of templating. Please be more careful in future, even when dealing with IP editors. Thank you. 91.85.188.90 (talk) 07:39, 16 July 2008 (UTC)
 * Looking at how you have previously responded to warnings, I was partially expecting a response like this and I do not agree with it. You reverted Glendora Curve three times within in a 24 hour period on 15 July 2008, another revert would resulted in a violation of the WP:3RR, the edit history is quite clear on the matter. As for it being 4 hours after, even then if you had returned and made another revert you would have violated 3RR - regardless of this it is always sensible to warn people about 3RR if they have been involved in a edit war and it is not clear if they are aware of this policy or not. If you think you are being warned just because you are an IP editor, the 3RR rule applies to everybody and I would have given the same warning to a registred user in a similar position. Camaron | Chris (talk) 08:01, 16 July 2008 (UTC)


 * The previous warnings were for vandalism and it was clearly not vandalism it was just distrust of IP editors. Youre not answering the other point: the template asks for discussion to now take place and that discussion was taking place right in front of you above where you templated. So the template was the wrong one, or the templating was inappropriate. But people here will only communicate with IP addresses via the nearest to hand template most of the time, it,s Wikipedia having it both ways, allowing IPs to edit but the npolicing them harshly as if they werenot actual people, so I dont blame you for defaulting to a template rather than communicating. If youd readthe discussion (or looked at my contribrusions) you would have seen that any ,edit war' was resolved in the discussion and I had stopped editing. You also used whois when you meant isp but that,s a different mistemplating. By the way this IP address is dynamic sadly, it was just luck that it stayed the same two days running for once. It,ll probably change at lunchtime today for no clear reason so you wont be able to reach me on thais talkpage >>>91.85.188.90 (talk) 08:21, 16 July 2008 (UTC)


 * There was discussion happening, but that does not legitimise edit warring, and encouraging more discussion is never a bad thing. I am glad to see the issue has been resolved since I issued that warning, so the warning has served its purpose. I agree that the warnings for vandalism were inappropriate when looking at the edits being made. However, unregistered users are more likley to receive template warnings as it is not clear how experienced they are compared to registred users with IP addresses changing constantly. It has always been accepted on Wikipedia that unregistered users have "less civil rights" than registred users (part quoting User:Jimbo Wales there), the only way around this issue is to register an account. As for the Whois vs. ISP template issue, it is really a trivial matter as both templates give similar information and categorise in the same way, both can be used for ISPs but the latter is better as it is more specific. However, often it is difficult to tell if an IP address is an ISPs and hence using the more simple template is better. Camaron | Chris (talk) 08:36, 16 July 2008 (UTC)

Adhikari
Thanks for sorting that out. PamD (talk) 09:59, 16 July 2008 (UTC)
 * You're welcome. Camaron | Chris (talk) 10:02, 16 July 2008 (UTC)
 * I meant Adhikari of course! Cheers. PamD (talk) 10:03, 16 July 2008 (UTC)

User Asendoh's user page page protection
Hi there. Just to let you know that this user's talk page is regularly being vandalised by an anon user. Whilst the IIP addresses change, it's very obviously the same immature person who was vandalising his user page. I don't know if it's appropriate for me to request page protection for a talk page, especially when it isn't mine, so I thought I'd raise it here first. Ged (talk) 16:19, 21 July 2008 (UTC)
 * Hello, yes it is clearly only one person (or at most a small organised group) who seems desperate to drive Asendoh off Wikipedia, a lot of users get one of these occasionally and it amazes me what people consider effective use of internet time. User pages can be protected very easily in cases of vandalism, as new and unregistered users rarely edit these pages constructively. However, user talk pages are different and are protected rarely and only in short bursts (except with move protection) as it can inhibit communication by new and unregistered users to Asendoh. For the moment I will watchlist the page and warn and revert inappropriately. For the moment the vandalism seems to have stopped, but if it picks up again I will add temporary user talk page protection. Camaron | Chris (talk) 08:27, 22 July 2008 (UTC)


 * Thanks :) Ged (talk) 16:17, 22 July 2008 (UTC)
 * You're welcome. Camaron | Chris (talk) 08:11, 23 July 2008 (UTC)
 * I have Whois checked all the offending IPs and templated the user talk pages appropriately. The results are that all the IPs used are registred to Telekom Malaysia Berhad, which means that this person is assessing the internet through them and keeps changing IPs through connecting/disconnecting to the internet. As a last resort, a abuse report could be sent to Telekom Malaysia. Camaron | Chris (talk) 09:52, 23 July 2008 (UTC)
 * I've done the same thing from the beginning and had the same exact conclusions. I don't know if his telecom company would do somthing, I think not since as far as i know it's not a penal offense; anyway I could go on until he gets tired, I have the patience of Job :P Seriously, I think that protecting my userpages for a span of time longer than a week (ie a month) could be a better solution. Asendoh (talk) 17:55, 23 July 2008 (UTC)
 * I have upped the user page protection from 2 weeks to a month, though I cannot really protect your user talk page for that long. I am not experienced in sending abuse reports to ISPs, so I am not to sure how they would react, and it almost certainly varies from ISP to ISP. I do not think at this level it would result in legal action by the ISP, probably more like a caution to the user, or even termination of service with this person. If it did escalate to death threats or similar however I would say different. The only other option that has not been considered is a range IP block, though that could affect a lot of innocent users who use Telekom Malaysia, so might not be a good idea. Anyway, as you say, s/he may get tired eventually. Camaron | Chris (talk) 18:15, 23 July 2008 (UTC)

Could you help with this discussion ?
Could you help with this discussion Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Schools —Preceding unsigned comment added by ARBAY (talk • contribs)
 * Yes, I think I can. I will add my thoughts shortly. Camaron | Chris (talk) 10:03, 26 July 2008 (UTC)

You sir, deserve a barnstar.....
That is one of the best editor reviews that I have ever read and been given....your barnstar is on its way :)  D u s t i SPEAK!! 13:40, 27 July 2008 (UTC)


 * Replied on your talk page, I will add this barnstar to my collection. Camaron | Chris (talk) 15:49, 27 July 2008 (UTC)

Question
Can we add the countries in the template about Individual entries of the ESC09?Please reply me as fact as you can. —Preceding unsigned comment added by ChRis (talk • contribs)
 * I only added countries with existing and established articles to the template to not encourage the mass creation of articles that do not meet WP:N. Also, it is to avoid circle links as many of the pages have been re-directed to Eurovision Song Contest 2009. Camaron | Chris (talk) 11:35, 28 July 2008 (UTC)

I created the article about Serbia,I only have one source confirming that it will participate,but Serbia will use Beovizija,as they always intended to do.Im not gonna create articles anymore. —Preceding unsigned comment added by ChRis (talk • contribs) 11:37, 28 July 2008 (UTC)
 * OK, feel free to create more if you can source them and add them to the template. I am removing the ones that just re-direct however per above. Camaron | Chris (talk) 11:40, 28 July 2008 (UTC)

Template
Really? Where they recently moved or something? Because when I went to add the template to WikiProject Eurovision/Completed Phase 4 Pages they were all named the way that I moved it too.

FYI, greekboy started on the project main page: User:Grk1011/Drafts. Don't edit right away just incase he's in the middle of something. And I am working on instructions for the templates. Do you have AIM or some sort of messenger? Grk1011 (talk) 21:52, 28 July 2008 (UTC)
 * Yes I think they were all recently moved to a shorter name, and I just used the existing name when I started a new template. For the moment I have moved the template back to keep consistency with the others. Yes I do have Windows Live Messenger, I will e-mail you my e-mail address for it. Camaron | Chris (talk) 08:13, 29 July 2008 (UTC)
 * With the ESC National Year, when a country does not make it to the final, how should we convey that in the infobox? Cyprus in the Eurovision Song Contest 2007 shows the box according to the guidelines i made, but I was thinking, should we leave the "Final" section out in these cases or use "N/A" or some other wording. The section does not show up when nothing is written in it. Grk1011 (talk) 14:50, 29 July 2008 (UTC)
 * I would say just leave it blank and keep the N/A's which just take up more space to a minimum, the SF section would already cover if the country qualified. Camaron | Chris (talk) 16:13, 29 July 2008 (UTC)
 * Yea, thats what I was thinking. Check out User:Grk1011/Drafts, greekboy worked on it yesterday. Still needs a lot of work tho. Grk1011 (talk) 16:16, 29 July 2008 (UTC)
 * Looks good so far, if the project re-name goes ahead a few things will need to be changed but that will be easy. My next plan is to neutrally notify a good number of the users that have signed themselves up as participants to the project to let them know of the reform going on, and also remove at least one user listed that does not exist. Camaron | Chris (talk) 16:23, 29 July 2008 (UTC)
 * I'm assuming that one of us can use autowiki browser to inform the members, but I'll have to check if there is a participants category that they are all in first. Grk1011 (talk) 16:25, 29 July 2008 (UTC)
 * Yes there is a category: Category:WikiProject Eurovision members, but is generated from the userbox and does not quite include everybody. I have never used AutoWiki Browser before, though I could start it up without having to go through requests for access as a sysop. I was originally planning to message manually, numbers of participants are just low enough to do that, but use of AWB or a similar tool would be helpful. Camaron | Chris (talk) 20:21, 29 July 2008 (UTC)

I have it, but I don't know what to say in the message. There's also a lot more that needs to be done. I think first of all we should try to rename the project "Wikiproject Eurovision Song Contest". I'm also on Windows Live now if you're around. Grk1011 (talk) 20:33, 29 July 2008 (UTC)
 * Unfortunately I must go to bed very shortly, I will reply fully in the morning. Camaron | Chris (talk) 21:09, 29 July 2008 (UTC)
 * We can prob do more on the weekends, since i wont be at work all day. Grk1011 (talk) 21:10, 29 July 2008 (UTC)
 * OK, I have sent a friendly message to those in the WP Eurovision category about the changes. What I said can be found at User:Camaron/Sandbox. I have skipped one or two users that obviously left Wikipedia a long time ago, and those such as yourself that already know about this. I only did the category in the end, not the participants list, to keep the numbers down and stick mostly to established users. Camaron | Chris (talk) 08:57, 31 July 2008 (UTC)
 * Great, as soon as i get myself motivated again I will continue with the templates. Grk1011 (talk) 12:00, 31 July 2008 (UTC)

RfB Thank You spam

 * Replied on your talk page. Camaron | Chris (talk) 10:06, 29 July 2008 (UTC)

Winshill
Hi - Thanks. I was aware there was a history (copyvio) here so I tried very hard to provide a precis that did not contravene it. I did not notice someone put it in blockquotes. I have now attributed the first sentence to the original source and hope to develop the rest with material from other sources. Regards Motmit (talk) 21:14, 29 July 2008 (UTC)


 * That is great, I wish you luck with your further contributions. I probably won't contribute much more to the page but I will still keep an eye on it just in case our copyvio vandal makes a come back. Camaron | Chris (talk) 21:20, 29 July 2008 (UTC)


 * I put the blockquotes in to try and differentiate between what was written freehand and what looked to be from a quoted source. If this is not the way to do it, I'd appreciate advice as to when and where blockquotes are meant to be used, so I don't do it again! Cheers :-)--mikejamestaylor (talk) 08:29, 30 July 2008 (UTC)


 * BTW I'm glad the copyvio offender seems to have abated. mikejamestaylor (talk) 08:30, 30 July 2008 (UTC)


 * I am too. I would recommend only using block quotes when quoting a large passage of what someone said, such as a speech or perhaps a piece of writing. Camaron | Chris (talk) 07:52, 31 July 2008 (UTC)


 * Right, so if I wish to take a paragraph from somebody else's work, work that adds value and substance to an article, what are the precise rules around that? I always put in the proper references, and I've read up on it, but there still seems to be a level of interpretation involved on the part of the individual. mikejamestaylor (talk) 08:45, 31 July 2008 (UTC)


 * Only material which is nearly an exact copy of what someone said or wrote should be in block quotes. If you are just using part of a source and putting into the article in your own words and with any kind of interpretation, which is what should usually happen, then you just need to cite it, there is no need for block quotes. Camaron | Chris (talk) 08:53, 31 July 2008 (UTC)


 * Ah right that seems very clear. Thanks, Chris, that's really useful advice. mikejamestaylor (talk) 09:27, 31 July 2008 (UTC)


 * You're welcome! Camaron | Chris (talk) 09:54, 31 July 2008 (UTC)

SimCity
Threw some comments together at WikiProject Video games/Peer review/SimCity 4 - let me know when you'd like me to take a closer look. Let's get this to GA! —Giggy 06:16, 2 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Sorry for my lack of response to your comments, I have been occupied elsewhere. I will respond fully shortly. Camaron | Chris (talk) 20:18, 2 August 2008 (UTC)

2005 Grand Prix motorcycle racing season
He/she is back again looks like, new IP making the same edits. Landon1980 (talk) 12:42, 2 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Fortunately this user has now been blocked and pages protected as necessary, I myself was away during the action. I am now preparing an abuse report to send to the ISP to see if they can help, as this users campaign of disruptive activity has got to stop, and this users insertion of defamation and racist remarks into BLP articles alone justifies it as far as I am concerned. Camaron | Chris (talk) 20:22, 2 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Yeah I agree, I'm not real familiar with what is going on though. I saw enough to justify what you just said though. Cheers, Landon1980 (talk) 04:44, 3 August 2008 (UTC)

Macedonia in Eurovision
We need to develop some sort of policy regarding the naming of people and countries such as Macedonia. Today there was a problem when a user moved the pages to Republic of Macedonia from FYR (its contest name). Now it was always accepted that we use the contest names, but it doesnt say that anywhere. Grk1011 (talk) 16:16, 2 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Actually I found it - Manual of Style (Macedonia-related articles) - In articles about international political organisations or cultural/athletic events where the Republic participates officially under the appellation former Yugoslav Republic of Macedonia or variants thereof (e.g. the United Nations, accession to the European Union, the Olympic Games etc.), the official naming conventions of those organisations should be followed. This applies only where the country is mentioned specifically and exclusively in relationship to such an organization.[1]
 * We just need to remember to include this on the new project page. Grk1011 (talk) 16:56, 2 August 2008 (UTC)
 * I agree that this issue has got to be resolved and currently the naming of Macedonia Eurovision articles is not very standardised. The guideline is proposed, but I think we have past consensus for that section so I say include it. Camaron | Chris (talk) 20:25, 2 August 2008 (UTC)

My user page
Thanks for reverting vandalism on my user page! LeaveSleaves (talk) 11:34, 3 August 2008 (UTC)
 * You're welcome, I am glad I could be of help. Camaron | Chris (talk) 11:52, 3 August 2008 (UTC)

Newsletter
I am drafting a newsletter, you should go on windows live once in a while so we can talk. Grk1011 (talk) 17:38, 3 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Replied on Windows Live. Camaron | Chris (talk) 19:41, 3 August 2008 (UTC)

template
I hope you read that!

I dont know how to edit the templates but i would like the country template in Lebanon_in_the_Eurovision_Song_Contest to not list unused sections. Do you know what to do? Grk1011 (talk) 19:11, 9 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Yeah I read it, don't worry - I just moved it to my spam talk page as I do to all newsletters so I can easily reference it there. In answer to your question, to be honest no, I am not very experienced with making templates, though I agree with hiding the unused sections. Template:Infobox Eurovision seems to do it, but it is quite complex given the warning on the template page. Camaron | Chris (talk) 19:24, 9 August 2008 (UTC)
 * okay, I'll see who edits the other template and see if they know how to fix it. How did I do with Lebanon in the Eurovision Song Contest, any problems you see? Also there is a deletion debate for some project articles: Articles_for_deletion/Libya_in_the_Eurovision_Song_Contest, if your interested. Grk1011 (talk) 19:29, 9 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Ok, I have given my thoughts on deletion, thanks for letting me know. I am quite impressed with the Lebanon article, no problems I can see and all well cited. Camaron | Chris (talk) 19:43, 9 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Also, I nominated Greece in the Eurovision Song Contest 2008 for GA class so if you could proofread it and make sure everything is good that would be great. Grk1011 (talk) 19:51, 9 August 2008 (UTC)
 * OK, I will take a look at it later. Camaron | Chris (talk) 19:56, 9 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Thanks. You thought it was a bit short, is there anything missing? Also, if you thought that was short, I also nominated Lebanon in the Eurovision Song Contest. Would A-class be better since there really isn't anything more to write? I feel like both articles are better than B's/ Grk1011 (talk) 19:29, 12 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Off-hand I cannot see/think of anything missing, though another editor might think so. I think these articles could be potentially A-class or even FA-class, but I would suggest waiting to see how the GA review goes first. Camaron | Chris (talk) 20:21, 12 August 2008 (UTC)

Can you add cat and temp class to the project banner if either is missing. Grk1011 (talk) 23:06, 12 August 2008 (UTC)
 * ✅ Done and created appropriate categories, including one for disambig class. Camaron | Chris (talk) 08:29, 13 August 2008 (UTC)

MP3 Rocket
I have semi-protected MP3 Rocket for 1 week per the request at WP:RPP. I saw you had declined the request, but I disagree with your reasoning. Please see my comments at WP:RPP for my rationale. Let me know if you have any concerns.  caknuck °  is not used to being the voice of reason  17:25, 12 August 2008 (UTC)
 * I have replied at WP:RFPP, I accept the protection mostly because it is only for 1 week and is a borderline case, though I do stand-by my original decline. Camaron | Chris (talk) 17:59, 12 August 2008 (UTC)

Message Sent to Wrong User
Dear Camaron, you have sent me a message regarding the article on the Eurovision Song Contest 2009 saying i have edited it. i have not, it seems someone somehow has used my username either by mistake or not. I would appreciate if you as an experienced wikipedian can help me figure out what had happened. Tomeryogi (talk) 06:15, 13 August 2008 (UTC)
 * I have replied directly on your talk page. Camaron | Chris (talk) 08:47, 13 August 2008 (UTC)

Vandalism on my userpage
Hi, it seems the same person who vandalized my userpage and made many edits against the consensus on many MotoGP articles is back. For example, take a look at this. Hope you can do something to stop him ;)

About the report for his ISP, is there any way I can view it? Asendoh (talk) 10:16, 17 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Replied on your talk page. Camaron | Chris (talk) 20:20, 17 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Thanks for the protection of the pages and the report draft! Asendoh (talk) 09:17, 22 August 2008 (UTC)
 * As usual, I am glad I can be of help. Camaron | Chris (talk) 22:02, 22 August 2008 (UTC)

Opinion
If you could let us know your opinion about the 1992 Yugoslavian entry, see Talk:Yugoslavia in the Eurovision Song Contest. Thanks. Grk1011 (talk) 20:14, 17 August 2008 (UTC)
 * I will review the case and give a third opinion shortly, thank you for asking. Camaron | Chris (talk) 20:21, 17 August 2008 (UTC)
 * FYI, i posted at administrator's noticeboard earlier in the day, just so you know. Grk1011 (talk) 20:23, 17 August 2008 (UTC)
 * I have now left an opinion on the talk page. I would not have advised taking the issue to WP:AN, that page is not really for dispute resolution, but I must say I believe you did it in good faith. My opinion does not firmly come down on either side, I have always generally been towards using the official name but I am open to good reasons for exceptions. Camaron | Chris (talk) 20:05, 18 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Well no one was really helping lol. Its something that you kind of have to read into. Grk1011 (talk) 22:06, 22 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Yes, I see what you mean. It did take me quite a long time to prepare a written comment on the issue. Camaron | Chris (talk) 22:09, 22 August 2008 (UTC)

Hi
Thank you for the welcomes. Bye --João P. M. Lima (talk) 18:50, 18 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Happy editing! Camaron | Chris (talk) 20:00, 18 August 2008 (UTC)

requst for rollback feature
hello Cameron i would like to have rollback feature, i have done substantial number of edits and written a fair few articles and i oversee them too. if i have the option it'll be very helpful to me. hope you kindly regard my request. wishes!--Chanakal (talk) 07:45, 28 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Hello, OK you look all right to me so I will now give you rollback. Please remember to use it only to revert vandalism (nothing content dispute related) and your own edits. Good luck! Camaron | Chris (talk) 21:11, 28 August 2008 (UTC)
 * thank you for granting me with rollback. i will remember your advise and use it well.thank you again!--Chanakal (talk) 07:20, 29 August 2008 (UTC)

Farah Pahlavi
Hi, I would appreciate it if you could take a look at the page for Farah Pahlavi. I believe it should be at Empress Farah Pahlavi. An argument for that has been presented both on my talk page and on the move log, since Queen Elizabeth and Queen Sofia are not under Elizabeth or Sofia. Thank you. Akhamenehpour (talk) 06:24, 30 August 2008 (UTC)
 * I don't know very much about this topic so I cannot add very much to the discussion. If general talk page discussion cannot resolve the dispute, I would recommend starting the dispute resolution process by going to Third opinion, Mediation Cabal, or Requests for comment. Camaron | Chris (talk) 12:00, 30 August 2008 (UTC)

WikiProject Films roll call and coordinator elections
Girolamo Savonarola (talk) 03:48, 1 September 2008 (UTC)
 * I have now re-added myself, thank you for letting me know. Camaron | Chris (talk) 16:49, 2 September 2008 (UTC)

B1159 road
Hi you say has already been protected but it has not been. regards --palmiped | Talk  17:44, 1 September 2008 (UTC)
 * Opps, my apologies! I have implemented the request now. If you are wondering it was the links that did it, I clicked on B1149 first and as these road pages look and are named similarly I some how forgot that it was not that one which the request was based on. Never mind, no harm done! Camaron | Chris (talk) 18:44, 1 September 2008 (UTC)

RfA thanks
Thanks for your support. Everyking (talk) 21:46, 1 September 2008 (UTC)
 * You're welcome :) Camaron | Chris (talk) 21:53, 1 September 2008 (UTC)

Apologize
I apologize if i have offended you or anyone by putting edit on the post when it was not a minor edit, i will make sure i will inspect my grammar in future. Mcjakeqcool (talk) 15:53, 2 September 2008 (UTC)
 * Replied on your talk page. Camaron | Chris (talk) 16:36, 2 September 2008 (UTC)

Eurovision
Nice job on the Eurovision articles, but that's not the correct usage of a semicolon ; lol. If you were on live I could have told you ;) Grk1011/Stephen (talk) 21:55, 2 September 2008 (UTC)
 * Thanks, you are probably right so I have replaced the semi-colons with commas. I was just doing some quick late night editing, I will do the few remaining tomorrow. Good night (or afternoon for you). Camaron | Chris (talk) 22:02, 2 September 2008 (UTC)
 * I've had The Elements of Style mashed into my brain lol. Night. Grk1011/Stephen (talk) 22:09, 2 September 2008 (UTC)

RfA thanks
--SmashvilleBONK! 23:48, 3 September 2008 (UTC)
 * Again, congratulations. Camaron | Chris (talk) 08:40, 4 September 2008 (UTC)

Motto of the day
Hello, I notice you're using one of the motd templates, run by Motto of the day. You may have noticed that some of the mottos recently have been followed by a date from 2006, or on occasion simply "Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia". The reason for this is that Motto of the day is in some very serious need of help. Participation in the project, which has never been especially high, has dropped considerably over this past summer, to the point we have had several days where no motto was scheduled to appear at all. Over the past several weeks, I've been the only editor scheduling mottos at all, but there aren't enough comments on some of these mottos to justify their use. If we do not get some help - and soon - your daily mottos will stop. In order for us to continue updating these templates for you, we need your help.

When you get a chance between your normal editing, could you stop by our nominations page and leave a few comments on some of the mottos there, especially those that do not have any comments yet? This works very simply; you read a motto, decide whether or not you like it, and post your opinion just below the motto. That's it - no experience required, just an idea of what you personally like and what you feel reflects Wikipedia and its community. If you do have past experience with the project, then please close some of the older nominations once they've got a decent consensus going. There are directions on the nominations page on how to do this.

If you have any questions, please let me know, or post on the project's talk page. I'm looking forward to reading your comments on the suggested mottos, and any additional suggestions you'd like to make. Until then, happy editing! Hers fold  (t/a/c) 01:56, 4 September 2008 (UTC)


 * I'm sorry to hear that Motto of the Day is in decline. Unfortunately as the Summer Holidays come to a close my Wikipedia time is going to come under more and more tight rationing. I may however find time to go through the current nominations and give a quick opinion. Camaron | Chris (talk) 08:43, 4 September 2008 (UTC)

My RFA
Thank you for your support on my RFA! I appreciate the feedback, even though it was unsuccessful. Thank you for your kind words about my civility and template experience! I hope to see you around Wikipedia, and I wish you the best!-- daniel folsom  03:12, 8 September 2008 (UTC)
 * You're welcome and I am glad you have taken the RfA result constructively. I wish you all the best for a future request. Camaron | Chris (talk) 08:23, 8 September 2008 (UTC)

AdminShip Required
Hello dear I created this user account on 28 February 2008 and have been seen editing Wikipedia with it since then. I want to become a administrator, so that i want your help in regarding this matter. Well you can see my contributions too, and also suggest me, that what would i do to catch an administrator tools.

Thanks & Regards, —Preceding unsigned comment added by Azamishaque (talk • contribs) 11:49, 8 September 2008 (UTC)
 * Hello Azamishaque. Thank you for your interest in adminship and contributions to Wikipedia. A good way to help you gain adminship is to use the admin coaching program which helps users gain experience and skills needed for adminship. Unfortunately, although you have been on Wikipedia longer than I have you have only made just over 150 edits, and Requests for Adminship (RfA) for users with less than a 1000 edits are likely to be closed per WP:NOTNOW for lack of experience for adminship. You can sign-up to request an admin coach at Admin coaching/Requests for Coaching. Although I am active at RfA, due to my busy life, I am not currently active in the admin coaching program so I cannot current coach you myself - though this may change in the future. Before requesting coaching I would suggest for the time being continuing more to meet a good number of the requirements for coaching at Admin coaching. If you need any extra help, feel free to ask me here. Camaron | Chris (talk) 19:18, 8 September 2008 (UTC)