User talk:CWH/Archive 4

List of Presidents of the Association for Asian Studies
Hi CWH! I have added a new section called "List of Presidents" in the Association for Asian Studies article not long ago. But I just happened to find that you seemed to be trying to do a very similar thing, as demonstrated in your WIP page User:CWH/List of Presidents of the Association for Asian Studies. So do you think the list should be in the section of the article (as it is now), or in a separate article? Thanks! --Evecurid (talk) 02:04, 27 February 2015 (UTC)
 * , There's an old saying "great minds run in the same channels," which may or may not be true, but you and I at least run in the same lists!


 * If you have plans to expand the section further, I would gladly defer to you. But if you don't plan to expand the section beyond a list, I might keep constructing a table, which would be easier to sort, and maybe eventually (not soon) move the AAS section to a list article. The advantages of a list are explained at MOS:LIST. One is that the presence of red links shows what articles need to be created. You'll see that I also created a category Category:Presidents of the Association for Asian Studies.


 * But if you have plans to expand the section with more information than could fit into the list format, then the list article might not be so important, and it's perfectly fine to embed a list in an article.


 * Still another option would be for you to develop the Table I have set up. I would welcome the chance to partner with you. As far as I know, there is no problem with your editing my workspace page. Feel free to use it as a test space for finding out how to make an effective table, which was part of my own motive in making it to begin with.


 * What do you think? ch (talk) 05:01, 27 February 2015 (UTC)


 * Later -- well,, I've worked a little more on the AAS section, and made a new article, Paul Wheatley (geographer), which I hope you can visit and touch up if you feel like it, and started a draft on Robert B. Hall/ Robert Burnett Hall (I found that there was more than one ""Robert B. Hall"!! I'll keep you posted. ch (talk) 09:03, 27 February 2015 (UTC)
 * The current presentation is excellent! I like it. Thanks for your work! In this case there seems to be no need for a separate article. Your new article on Paul Wheatley (geographer) is good too. (sorry if you have expected me to reply earlier, but it was really too late last night so I could not reply it earlier; we probably live in different parts of the world). --Evecurid (talk) 15:20, 27 February 2015 (UTC)
 * Also, I really appreciate your invitation for a partnership for developing the table in your earlier message. However, we will probably have a chance to do so next time when we are going to do something similar, and I will be looking forward to cooperate with you. Cheers! --Evecurid (talk) 17:50, 27 February 2015 (UTC)


 * Originally I had thought I would list the areas of specialization, home university, and such, which would be easier to do in a table, but this was more of a vague intention than an actual plan. Thanks to your work, the section already does most of what is useful, so maybe I'll leave it alone for a while and do some "stub" articles on the presidents who are redlinked. Would you be interested in doing some?
 * Let's continue the further discussion at Talk:Association for Asian Studiesch (talk) 18:02, 27 February 2015 (UTC)
 * Sure, I will help eliminate the redlinks too. --Evecurid (talk) 18:04, 27 February 2015 (UTC)

Re: Laura Hostetler
I have replied your message in my talk page. Thanks for it. --Evecurid (talk) 18:11, 2 March 2015 (UTC)

Also, I have instead created a template Template:New Qing History. How about this one? --Evecurid (talk) 18:31, 2 March 2015 (UTC)

War film
Hi, I've had a go at War film - basically, shocked at its WP:ORishness. I've added the beginnings of a proper discussion of the genre, rearranged the material to describe a few subgenres at least briefly, cut the worst of the listcruft, and found some nice images from Commons (Capra liaising with the British Army!). I'd be delighted to hear what you think. Even better, you might know some people who might help. Chiswick Chap (talk) 21:07, 5 March 2015 (UTC)
 * Hi, Glad to see that you are on the job! Lots of work, but becoming an extremely worthwhile article. My own interest is in Chinese and Japanese war films, and to some extent Hollywood representations of wars with China and Japan. When looked at the article for some help, I basically threw up my hands. Didn't see even where to begin except to add the labels.


 * For further discussion, let's move to Talk:War film, where you have already begun. Cheers ch (talk) 23:21, 5 March 2015 (UTC)


 * Many thanks. Something on what the Chinese and Japanese critics think of their own nations' films would be useful. Chiswick Chap (talk) 07:51, 6 March 2015 (UTC)


 * Useful material: the article is looking far better globalized, and more balanced. I have copy-edited the new sections to have roughly the same style and format as the rest, I hope that is all right with you! I'm also vigorously cutting down the old OR-ish stuff, and by moving more of it into new subsections (like Comedy) I'm starting to give it references as well. Chiswick Chap (talk) 09:25, 7 March 2015 (UTC)
 * Thanks, (once again!) for your smarts and perseverance. You are to be congratulated that the article is now "far better globalized and more balanced." We still might reorganize the global aspects slightly and move some sections around. For instance, it would be more helpful in making comparisons to group the Japanese material under an "Asian" section rather than "Axis." Japanese film doesn't have much in common with German (and Italian?) war films. Also, the Chinese, Japanese, and Korean chronology doesn't quite fit under the WWII rubric, and it would help the reader to see the differing views of the same events expressed in Chinese, Japanese, and Korean films together in one section.


 * Your copy-edits are thoughtful and clarifying, though I might re-tweak some places where a nuance got lost. For instance, the sources did not say that the ROK films were "pro-communist," only that they showed DPRK soldiers in a "humanist" light ("humanist" is an important technical term in Chinese, Japanese, and Korean critical discourse, evoking Confucian ethics). The films mentioned do take somewhat different stances, however. Cheers! ch (talk) 18:58, 7 March 2015 (UTC)


 * Excellent, please go ahead. I'm making some progress on the post-WWII films, but since it seems to be pure OR it's proving quite a job - really, it just needs to be replaced. Oh, and I found a published book based on the uncited article! Chiswick Chap (talk) 19:22, 7 March 2015 (UTC)


 * P.S. It might be worth wikilinking "humanist" (not to western Humanism, I think) as it has a specialist meaning; that might be to Confucianism, I don't know. Chiswick Chap (talk) 19:23, 7 March 2015 (UTC)
 * Will do -- but not for a little while, maybe tonight, maybe tomorrow. ch (talk) 20:01, 7 March 2015 (UTC)

I've now more or less rewritten the article, and have removed whatever I couldn't cite. I've added short discussions of usually just one film of each kind, with ref; this seems to me far preferable to making an uncited claim, followed by a list of films. I'd be curious to know what you think of the result. The "subgenres" could clearly be moved to follow immediately after the "Genre" section, if anyone thinks that would be better. Chiswick Chap (talk) 17:21, 8 March 2015 (UTC)

Chinese war films
Hi again, I've added something on War film which I'm sure anyone with any knowledge would laugh at, but at least it's a start. Could you take a quick look and maybe suggest any improvements? Chiswick Chap (talk) 09:06, 11 March 2015 (UTC)
 * , your section is a great start and I am filled with admiration, not laughter! The "real world" is pressing me at the moment, but I will return to the War Film article as soon as I can to make a few nips and tucks.
 * Thank you, by the way, for using the word "humanist," which is a useful one we should be able to thread through the article, hopefully with a reference. I see it used in the scholarship on Chinese & Japanese film to mean something like "showing the enemy as human beings" or "not demonizing the enemy." It's more complicated so we should think about it. Cheers ch (talk) 15:11, 11 March 2015 (UTC)

County magistrate
Did you mean to make this in your userspace? In the edit summary you said "creating userspace draft", but you made it in the mainspace. Just wondering. Pishcal — ♣ 17:18, 17 April 2015 (UTC)


 * Oops -- thanks,, you are right! Can I move it or should you? ch (talk) 17:24, 17 April 2015 (UTC)


 * No problem, I've moved it over to User:CWH/County magistrate, the redirect should be deleted soon. Pishcal  — ♣ 17:59, 17 April 2015 (UTC)
 * Thanks for your help and patience.ch (talk) 18:57, 17 April 2015 (UTC)

New articles
Hi CWH, many thanks for your new articles Tsien Tsuen-hsuin and William Hung (sinologist). I read about William Hung's sabotaging of Warner's Dunhuang expedition a while ago in Karl Meyer's Tournament of Shadows, and when I checked Wikipedia, all I could find was the clown performer! Thanks for getting that fixed. I've nominated Tsien Tsuen-hsuin for DYK, see nomination page. I'll nominate William Hung as well, unless you plan to do it yourself. Cheers, -Zanhe (talk) 19:22, 16 April 2015 (UTC)
 * Many thanks right back at you,, for your many contributions of all sorts and your constant encouragement for so many editors! Hung & Dunhuang is a great story, and I will have to get the Meyer book (I read it in Fan's book, which is more academic). I'm happy to have you nominate the DYKs, and will make any improvements needed in the articles. There are a few more tidbits I want to add, for instance that Hung created the translation yinde  for "index" on the basis of the pronunciation in Fujianese, yindek and probably the relation with Cleaves and the Secret History of the Mongols. ch (talk) 21:08, 16 April 2015 (UTC)
 * I just read the Cleaves article, an interesting read. I've now nominated William Hung, see nomination page. Cheers, -Zanhe (talk) 05:28, 21 April 2015 (UTC)
 * As you can see,, I feel a responsibility for starting to Wikipedianize (Wikipedificate?) this generation of sinologists and Area Studies scholars, some of whom were at odds with each other, but all of whose work should be on record. As a grad student and junior faculty member I knew quite a few of them. The skill and attention you and other editors give to the articles is terrifically helpful to a common endeavor I'm glad to be a small part of.ch (talk) 17:26, 21 April 2015 (UTC)

DYK nomination of William Hung (sinologist)
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 * Thanks for the quick work and encouraging words, . I made the suggested changes, and went on to a few more improvements, so you may find that it's now ready. Cheers. ch (talk) 01:10, 26 April 2015 (UTC)

Removed copyrighted text
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 * Thanks for the "heads up," . Would it be OK to put the text which was cut into quotes, maybe a block quote, introducing it with something like, "in the words of the announcement, "the prizes are for English language books....."? Otherwise, it would be hard to paraphrase. Thanks for your help!ch (talk) 16:37, 4 May 2015 (UTC)
 * Sorry for jumping straight to deleting it, but I wasn't sure if it would fall under fair use for quotes. I just tried and you're right about the hard to paraphrase part. Please look my attempt over and if it loses too much information from the original you could blockquote it using a template like Quote. Opencooper (talk) 17:27, 4 May 2015 (UTC)
 * Looks good to me -- thanks again! ch (talk) 17:35, 4 May 2015 (UTC)

DYK for William Hung (sinologist)
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 * Hi CWH, just to let you know that William Hung (sinologist) was one of the most viewed DYKs of April 2015. I've added it to WP:DYKSTATS. Thanks for writing the article about this remarkable scholar! -Zanhe (talk) 19:28, 4 May 2015 (UTC)
 * Good news! Much gratitude! ch (talk) 19:40, 4 May 2015 (UTC)

DYK for Tsien Tsuen-hsuin
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Pearl S Buck Page
While I appreciate your working to protect Pearl S Buck Legacy from the parts of her history that don't easily complement her work as a 'humanitarian' you should not and other wikipedia editors should not be whitewashing her 1. direct involvement and involvement via her Welcome House adoption agency in the Canada Scoops, and 2. should not be allowing others to lay blame, to essentially scapegoat an Arthur Murray School dance instructor, for Pearl S Buck's Welcome House adoption agency's involvement in the Canada Scoops, in 'trafficking' the children of Canadian Indian birth families from Canada to USA.

What's more the information that I provided is based on the same information that is allowed, has been allowed on other Wikipedia pages, i.e., I'm just pulling it all together on this page. So what's the problem? WV NYC (talk) 13:04, 15 June 2015 (UTC)
 * Thanks for getting in touch with me here, as I'm always glad to have a conversation, and you might well have new things to say. But I do ask you to Assume Good Faith, which is a basic Wikipedia policy and also the courteous thing to do. That is, please do not continue to say that my motivation is to protect anyone's reputation when I have repeatedly and sincerely explained that my only motivation is to follow Wikipedia policies about Reliable Sources.


 * A little background about myself in addition to what you can see on my User Page. My sister is a Canadian who has for many years been involved with and supported metis activism. Among the outrages that she also told me about was the abduction of aboriginal children, though she did not use the term "scoop." I am in entire agreement with her absolute condemnation of the program and your efforts to expose it.


 * But the point here is different. Wikipedia policies have to cover a wide range of cases, and the policies sometimes produce ridiculous results, as in the case of an author who wrote in to report that Wikipedia was wrong in reporting that he had died. This was not acceptable. They could not take his word that he was alive, since they had no way of knowing who had sent the email. They needed a Reliable Source!


 * Even though these policies can sometimes be frustrating, on the whole they are necessary and it would be dangerous to make exceptions. I as an editor have no more power over an article than you do, since all editors have equal rights. The only reason other editors can change your edits is if those edits do not meet Wikipedia policy.


 * Coming to the matter at hand, as I and several other editors have explained, including, , and , we have no objection whatsoever to adding information about her if there are reliable sources. In fact, both I and Zero0000 spent time trying to find those sources.


 * The Pearl Buck article now has the sentence "Welcome House has since been accused of facilitating adoptions of aboriginal Canadian children taken without consent of their biological families in the Sixties Scoop.[citation needed]." This seems to me to be a reasonable compromise, as it lets readers know about the controversy and that a citation is needed.


 * If you have put this information on other Wikipedia pages without Reliable Sources, it should be removed. I looked at your "Contributions," however, and the only page I could find was Sixties Scoop, where this incident is not mentioned. Could you let me know what other articles are involved?


 * All the best, ch (talk) 16:31, 15 June 2015 (UTC)

Re: new articles
Hi CWH! Honestly I was a little surprised to see the wording of your comment in my talk page, since I think we have cooperated well before (as User:Evecurid when I had an alternative account at that time). As for the new articles themselves, I did mention "Moved to Korea under Yuan rule" etc (see and ), and I do have good reasons for the move. So your comment is not accurate, since I did acknowledge the part that I moved (not copied, as mentioned above), and the new articles are not a simply copy(cut)/paste either. For example, in Names of the Qing dynasty there is a comprehensive list of names for the Qing dynasty in English. None of the existing articles contained such a list. So it is obviously not a simple copy(cut)/paste from other articles, and I did not violate the WP policy (I think). I believe there must be some misunderstanding involved. Thanks for your understanding. --Cartakes (talk) 14:21, 4 August 2015 (UTC)
 * To give you an example,, yesterday you cut 4,102 bytes from the Goryeo article and pasted it into your new article. That is a cut and paste move and a policy breach. Philg88 ♦talk 14:38, 4 August 2015 (UTC)
 * Thanks for your example. But I did provide an edit summary of "Moved to Korea under Yuan rule" for that edit to acknowledge the source of move, right? The reason for the move should be obvious (I think): Goryeo is a summary article about the state, the part of Yuan overlordship should certainly not that detailed in the section. The materials existed in that article probably because there was simply no Korea under Yuan rule article before (that's why I was creating it). The article Korea under Yuan rule now exists, so the excessive details for Yuan domination in Goryeo should logically be moved to the Korea under Yuan rule article. But the new article obviously does not simply contain this information; it contains more materials used to make up the article, so it was not simply a cut/paste for establishing the new article. --Cartakes (talk) 14:48, 4 August 2015 (UTC)
 * You're missing the point. Cut and paste moves require the attribution to be maintained. Philg88 ♦talk 16:00, 4 August 2015 (UTC)
 * Sorry but just to ask that is it not enough to mention "Moved to Korea under Yuan rule" in edit summaries as well as mentioning that some contents are moved from other articles in Talk:Korea under Yuan rule? It is not Moving a page anyway, but only some text from one article to another. According to Copying within Wikipedia, "At minimum, this means a link to the source page in an edit summary at the destination page—that is, the page into which the material is copied. It is good practice, especially if copying is extensive, to make a note in an edit summary at the source page as well." I have essentially done both by now (in source page and destination talk) as a matter of fact, so I can't see how I did not follow the WP policy. --Cartakes (talk) 16:02, 4 August 2015 (UTC)

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DYK for The Call (novel)
Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 14:39, 24 September 2015 (UTC)

Sadajirō Yamanaka
I see that you've done excellent work on C. T. Loo, and wonder if you might have a look at my stub for Sadajirō Yamanaka of Yamanaka & Co. Back in the day, Loo and Yamanaka were often mentioned in the same breath, and sometimes described as rivals, but for some reason I'm unable to find much good online sourcing for Yamanaka today and worry a bit that my two meager references (so far) may not pass RS muster, as they go back to museum and archive sources. Perhaps you can help direct me to better references? I'm also wondering if my Kanji for his name is correct (like you, I can read Mandarin, but unlike you, never lived in Japan). Anything you can add would be of help! This all started b/c of a beautiful old object I'm researching which I'm told once passed through his galleries, but climbing the ladder of provenance has been difficult given that the records have seemingly been dispersed! Thanks for all your good work here &mdash; Vesuvius Dogg (talk) 13:48, 28 September 2015 (UTC)
 * this suggests Yamanaka also sold textiles - note that the birth/death dates are different but I'm pretty sure it's the same guy. Philg88 ♦talk 15:49, 28 September 2015 (UTC)
 * Thanks! I'm a little handicapped reading and referencing Google books references right now, thanks to a recalcitrant iPhone and an obscure location&mdash;which doesn't cure me of my Wikipedia addiction, alas!&mdash;but ultimately I'm trying to locate these and other references which essentially identify Yamanaka & Co. as the era's seminal expert on all things related to Japanese fine and applied arts (and perhaps to a lesser extent, Chinese and other East Asian antiquities). He's basically credited with giving a first generation of American and European curators their introductory schooling, advancing Western taste and understanding beyond mere connoisseurship of "Japanoiserie". But there seems to be precious little in terms of reliable or readily available biography, and the disputed birth year (I chose 1866, deferring to the Met and its recent exhibit, but other sources say 1865) kind of surprises me. There was a time when "Yamanaka" was ALL you needed to say to assure someone that a particular purchase was wise, astute, and far-sighted. (Complicating this, of course, is the fact that not everything that passed through Yamanaka's hands ultimately proved to be genuine, whether he was aware of it or not.) But given the breadth of his business, not to mention his once-authoritative reputation as "the Japanese Duveen", I'm very surprised he's lacked a Wikipedia entry until now. Still working on it, of course... Thanks again for stalking.... Vesuvius Dogg (talk) 16:29, 28 September 2015 (UTC)
 * Thanks for the kind words on CT Loo,, a fascinating and influential figure. At the time I searched briefly for more on Yamanaka, especially in connection with Charles Freer, but couldn't find much. I started a userpage article which was simply the text of Yamanaka & Co (Biographical details) British Museum, but your article is already much better, so I will happily delete that draft.


 * There was a mention in a book on Osvald Siren here, which referred to an article: Thomas Lawton, "Sadaijiro Yamanaka: Advocate for Asian Art," Orientations 26.1 (January 1995) that should be useful if you can get hold of it. There's also brief mention of YS here, here, here, here, and here. There seems to be a fair amount scattered through Karl Meyer's book The China Collectors.


 * Your article is already quite useful. One aspect that you might add is that Yamanaka, like all the collectors, dealers, and museums at that time, was quite ruthless and freebooting in their methods, as here. Of course, they saved a lot of Chinese art from being destroyed, so there's a certain irony.


 * There seems to be enough for a decent article, one way or another, and I think it would be a great service to this area if you could piece things together. Maybe not as easy as having a full-strength biography to rely on, but all the more valuable! ch (talk) 03:32, 29 September 2015 (UTC)

"Xuegin" to "Xueqin"
Thank you for correcting the article--- I guess I must have read it wrong the first time. Friendlybanana6192 (talk) 18:34, 13 November 2015 (UTC)
 * Also thanks to you for checking things out and contributing to the Wikipedia spirit of cooperative work! ch (talk) 18:56, 14 November 2015 (UTC)

Invitation to a research survey
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C. K. Yang (sociologist) has been nominated for Did You Know

 * Hey, the bot beat me to it! Anyway, just want to say thank you (again) for writing the article about this important scholar! -Zanhe (talk) 04:08, 10 December 2015 (UTC)

DYK for C. K. Yang (sociologist)
Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 12:01, 8 January 2016 (UTC)

Category:Presidents of the Association for Asian Studies
Category:Presidents of the Association for Asian Studies, which you created, has been nominated for another editor nominated purging and renaming to Category:Association for Asian Studies. If you would like to participate in the discussion, you are invited to add your comments at the category's entry on the Categories for discussion page. Thank you. RevelationDirect (talk) 12:43, 17 January 2016 (UTC)

Ji Chaoding
Hi CWH, thanks for another comprehensive new article! I've nominated it for DYK, see here. I'm not sure if I've chosen the best hook. If you have better ideas, please feel free to add them to the nomination page. Thanks! -Zanhe (talk) 04:19, 20 January 2016 (UTC)
 * Thanks right back at you, . I took up your suggestion to tweak the hook (now 131 characters).
 * BTW, I found another rich source last night, almost by accident, trying to see how often Ji used the pseudonym Richard Doonping. This turned out to be "very seldom," and there are no Wikipedia uses of "Doonping" except for the Ji article and this page, so I moved Doonping to the Infobox and added another pseudonym. I couldn't get the "alternate_names" line to show. I checked the template for the Scientist infobox and found that it should be "other_names". Is there a better way to indicate that these were pseudonyms?
 * Also realized that Wittfogel was an "influence," not an advisor.


 * Thanks for creating the Redirect for Doonping (I went to create it and found that you were once more a step ahead!).ch (talk) 17:46, 21 January 2016 (UTC)


 * That sounds good, thank you. I don't think there is a specific infobox field for pseudonyms, but "other names" is good enough, IMO. -Zanhe (talk) 18:51, 21 January 2016 (UTC)

DYK for Ji Chaoding
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Philip Jaffe
I feel a bit stupid. I saw you made a redlink for Philip Jaffe in Committee for a Democratic Far Eastern Policy three days ago, and thought you were probably going to start an article. Then when it stayed red I decided to start one myself, since the subject seemed interesting. I tend to start articles in mainspace and then expand in mainspace. It did not occur to me to check if you had been doing an article in userspace. I will merge your draft into the mainspace article, maybe add some more, then submit it for DYK. Not sure what the hook should be?

I edit quite randomly, with no particular area of interest. I see articles a bit like verbal jigsaw puzzles where I fit together what I can find from the online sources. I started Heliconian Club in July 2014 and since then have being fixing redlinks in that article, redlinks in the linked articles and so on, which has led to articles a very long way from the Heliconians. A week ago user:Dr. Blofeld asked if I could help fill some redlinks on Maud Russell and that led to the Committee for a Democratic Far Eastern Policy and a few others.

Yes, I would strongly support the idea of professional societies like the Association for Asian Studies curating Wikipedia articles. There must have been discussion about this general concept in the past, e.g. the American Medical Association curating articles on medicine. Obvious issues would be that the association would not want to take responsibility and the Wikimedia Foundation would probably not want to give it any special authority. But with suitable waivers there must be a way to arrange some form of curation. Aymatth2 (talk) 20:51, 17 March 2016 (UTC)


 * Hey, as they used to say in the NBA, "no harm, no foul" (or sometimes "no blood, no foul"). I'm glad that you started the article, since who knows how long it would have taken me to! I have a few more sources, but I'll defer to you to set the shape of the article to see if they are even needed.


 * BTW, Field was an actual member of CPUSA. Though he did not advertise the fact at the time he also did not deny it. In his memoirs, he says that the more conservative members of the Amerasia board claimed that they didn't know of his red connections, but he says they never asked him about his associations -- and he never asked them about theirs!


 * Jaffe never was a CPUSA member, as I guess they thought he was too unreliable. The Commentary review of Jaffe's history of CPUSA you found is very helpful in making clear Jaffe's admiration for Browder.


 * Another point is which raids on Amerasia were conducted by the FBI and which by OSS -- at the moment I can't remember, but I know that I've seen it wrong in some places.


 * As to the curation, I'm not at all sure what would be a reasonable way to get professional expertise without the professional hangups. I would be dead set against making special concessions or handing special powers over to particular groups. But my feeling is that it would be fine to get more editors involved. ch (talk) 21:17, 17 March 2016 (UTC)


 * Since you marked User:CWH/Philip Jaffe for deletion, I have zapped it. In some cases, drafts like that are kept to preserve the edit history of the merged material. Now that it is gone, your only credit is this edit summary. I take it you are happy with that? JohnCD (talk) 19:03, 18 March 2016 (UTC)
 * Thanks for asking,, and sorry to trouble you -- this is fine with me. I'm, just glad to see the article get created.ch (talk) 19:51, 18 March 2016 (UTC)


 * It was getting a bit long, so I stopped. See Template:Did you know nominations/Philip Jaffe. You may want to review the article. An interesting person. Aymatth2 (talk) 15:44, 19 March 2016 (UTC)
 * Great work,, pulling all that information together! Jaffe was involved in so many fascinating things over such a long period that it's hard to leave anything out. I will go through and make a few tweaks to see if they work for you.ch (talk) 16:04, 19 March 2016 (UTC)

DYK for Philip Jaffe
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