User talk:CactiStaccingCrane/Archive 3

Question from Blaze Ndebele (16:32, 4 June 2023)
Hello,I wanted to post an article but it wasn't published,what was the problem --Blaze Ndebele (talk) 16:32, 4 June 2023 (UTC)


 * Blaze Ndebele: Maybe because you haven't have enough edits/days on Wikipedia yet. You might want to see this guide for more info: Help:Your first article. CactiStaccingCrane (talk) 16:35, 4 June 2023 (UTC)

Question from Blaze Ndebele (18:55, 4 June 2023)
Hello,how many days or edits do I need to post an article --Blaze Ndebele (talk) 18:55, 4 June 2023 (UTC)


 * @Blaze Ndebele I don't know to be honest. Maybe try using the WP:Article wizard. CactiStaccingCrane (talk) 01:41, 5 June 2023 (UTC)

Climate change
Please discuss further changes into the lead of this article in the talk page. The current version is the result of lengthy discussions in talk page (you can see talk page history). Bogazicili (talk) 20:41, 9 June 2023 (UTC)

Tetragon Financial Group updates & changes
CactiStaccingCrane, I am the declared COI editor for Tetragon Financial Group. Back in April, I posted an edit request to update and change the article for accuracy and clarity. I noticed you are an active editor, particularly WP:FINANCE, and that you have made constructive contributions on similar company pages. Would you mind taking a look and helping out with these changes? Thank you, CC for Tetragon (talk) 08:17, 12 June 2023 (UTC)

Mars in fiction at WP:FAC
Hi! You commented at the WP:Peer review for Mars in fiction (WP:Peer review/Mars in fiction/archive1). The article is now at WP:FAC, see WP:Featured article candidates/Mars in fiction/archive1, and that process has slowed down considerably in the last few weeks. If you are interested in weighing in on the FAC, your input would be appreciated. TompaDompa (talk) 21:06, 12 June 2023 (UTC)

June thanks
Thank you for improving articles in June! -- Gerda Arendt (talk) 22:28, 20 June 2023 (UTC)

The Core Contest winners announced
The winners of the 2023 The Core Contest are announced 🎉. We had an amazing set of improvements this year, and the judges (, and ) would like to thank everybody who joined and congratulate the winners.


 * First place goes to for improving  The Holocaust; very core, highly relevant; their work on bringing geographical balance to the article puts the topic in a whole different light. We also commend improvements to sourcing and prose
 * A close second place goes to for improving Education from an unstructured jumble into a well-sourced piece of instruction
 * Third prize goes to for improving  Donatello, a near five-fold expansion with great sourcing and fantastic imagery
 * A tie for fourth place goes to for improving Crime, for a strong improvement in sourcing
 * A tie for fifth place goes to for International law, improved by converting contextless listicles into a proper sourced prose

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Hello Can you write a page for website "swagpur"
Its customize products online retailer which has more than a million customers Betadigitalservices (talk) 07:21, 28 June 2023 (UTC)

WikiCup 2023 July newsletter
The third round of the 2023 WikiCup has come to an end. The 16 users who made it to the fourth round had at least 175 points. Our top scorers in round 3 were:


 * Thebiguglyalien, with 919 points from a featured article on Frances Cleveland as well as five good articles and many reviews,
 * Unlimitedlead, with 862 points from a high-scoring featured articles on Henry II of England and numerous reviews,
 * Iazyges, with 560 points from a high-scoring featured article on Tiberius III.

Contestants achieved 11 featured articles, 2 featured lists, 47 good articles, 72 featured or good article reviews, over 100 DYKs and 40 ITN appearances. As always, any content promoted after the end of round 3 but before the start of round 4 can be claimed in round 4. Please also remember that you must claim your points within 14 days of "earning" them. When doing GARs, please make sure that you check that all the GA criteria are fully met. Please also remember that all submissions must meet core Wikipedia policies, regardless of the review process.

If you are concerned that your nomination—whether it is at good article nominations, a featured process, or anywhere else—will not receive the necessary reviews, please list it on WikiCup/Reviews Needed (remember to remove your listing when no longer required). Questions are welcome on Wikipedia talk:WikiCup, and the judges are reachable on their talk pages or by email. Good luck! If you wish to start or stop receiving this newsletter, please feel free to add or remove your name from WikiCup/Newsletter/Send. Sturmvogel 66 (talk) and Cwmhiraeth (talk). MediaWiki message delivery (talk) 15:17, 8 July 2023 (UTC)

Question from Sc.intelligent (15:33, 9 July 2023)
hello, how can i post on wikipedia --Sc.intelligent (talk) 15:33, 9 July 2023 (UTC)

Question from Lutgardedf (16:27, 10 July 2023)
kledij ridders tijdens kruistochten. --Lutgardedf (talk) 16:27, 10 July 2023 (UTC)

Question from HTNME (13:51, 12 July 2023)
Hi I’m trying to find out if our insurance policy is still in effect, the Group Name: State of Washington State Employees Group Number: 12373-1-0001 Final Action Date: 06/10/94, The reason I’m asking is because I’m now retired and trying to find out what happens to our policy --HTNME (talk) 13:51, 12 July 2023 (UTC)


 * ? CactiStaccingCrane (talk) 17:07, 12 July 2023 (UTC)

July thanks
On today's Main page, you can find a cantata that Bach first performed 300 years ago (thanks to you!), and an iconic saxophonist from East Germany. Also: a bit about the history of QAI on my talk. Thank you for being part of it! A new member designed a user box that I adopted. -- Gerda Arendt (talk) 19:08, 18 July 2023 (UTC)

Question from Haodtr2 (12:33, 20 July 2023)
كيف أصبح هكر --Haodtr2 (talk) 12:33, 20 July 2023 (UTC)

Question from Haodtr2 on User talk:Haodtr2 (12:40, 20 July 2023)
كيف اهكر حساب فيسبوك؟ --Haodtr2 (talk) 12:40, 20 July 2023 (UTC)

You aren't a very good mentor
Really,you aren't. CernerFe (talk) 14:51, 21 July 2023 (UTC)
 * What a terrible thing to say to someone whether you think it's true or not. You have had no interaction with this user under this current account and you have made no edit to the mainspace of the encyclopedia. Is this your first account? -- A Rose Wolf  14:58, 21 July 2023 (UTC)
 * Would like to add that I am thankful for editors like @CactiSTaccingCrane who voluntarily offer their time to mentor new and old editors alike. -- A Rose Wolf  15:03, 21 July 2023 (UTC)
 * Fair enough. I haven't responded to these questions in my talk page quick enough. I'm currently contributing to OpenStreetMap and I don't really visit Wikipedia as frequently as I've used to. But you're right about that. I could've been more responsive about my reply. CactiStaccingCrane (talk) 15:18, 21 July 2023 (UTC)
 * Yes, I know this is a banned user, but I do understand how frustrating to not get your answers replied in <2 days, and I'm trying to not repeat that mistake again. CactiStaccingCrane (talk) 15:19, 21 July 2023 (UTC)
 * Being frustrated about a slow response is fine but coming to another editor's, whether they are your mentor or not, talk page to simply insult them is not okay. I do not believe slow responses from mentors is reason enough. Wikipedia isn't going anywhere. There is nothing urgent about this project except potential chronic and intractable behavior issues or in the case of trying to stop blatant vandalism. We are all volunteers, including yourself. You should not be shamed for having a life outside Wikipedia nor should you feel forced to devote every waking moment to the project just to be considered to be a good mentor. -- A Rose Wolf  16:49, 21 July 2023 (UTC)

Question from Prozac Brat (10:41, 18 July 2023)
Hi there! I really like doing this and I was wondering if it counts as volunteer work for a resume. Not clocking hours or anything but just mentioning my participation since I’m in the writing editing field. --Prozac Brat (talk) 10:41, 18 July 2023 (UTC)


 * If you want to. Your choice. But do remember that most people here are editing Wikipedia just because they want to do so, and not for making a good resume. CactiStaccingCrane (talk) 14:55, 18 July 2023 (UTC)
 * , if I may join in. Of course it's fine to mention on your resume but, and a major but, please actually edit the encyclopedia before you begin bragging about it. You have few edits so far, so do at least 500 or a thousand (or more) and get used to the project, contribute well to it, and by the time you need it for a resume mention you can really feel good about using it and will be proud to be a Wikipedian. And, of course, welcome to the project, check out the cafeteria. Randy Kryn (talk) 15:04, 18 July 2023 (UTC)
 * @Randy Kryn Nicely said. CactiStaccingCrane (talk) 15:08, 18 July 2023 (UTC)
 * Thanks. I wonder if future employers would mind hiring someone named Prozac Brat, so the user may want to change his user name before planning to use it as a resume item (said in all good faith PB, maybe choose a name which will look very good on a resume, ya think?). Randy Kryn (talk) 15:18, 18 July 2023 (UTC)
 * Thank you both! I couldn't see myself incorporating it into a resume both because anonymity helps Wikipedia to thrive and just because it isn't skill intensive work. I was honestly just curious as a new user. What do you think makes volunteers stay and not stray to different hobbies or interests? Prozac Brat (talk) 02:28, 22 July 2023 (UTC)
 * In short, because that is their hobby. I think that most people would edit Wikipedia from time to time, but to have real dedication to edit everyday, that requires a lot of passion. Personally you should forget about putting Wikipedia editing to the resume and instead focus on editing articles that you truly care about. For me, I edited articles about spaceflight because I often reference facts from these articles a lot.
 * Don't force yourself to edit on Wikipedia too much though or else you will be burned out; pick up the pace that felt the most optimal for you. CactiStaccingCrane (talk) 05:57, 22 July 2023 (UTC)

Tool to find low resolution images
Hi there! I noticed your message on the village pump: “[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Village_pump_(technical)/Archive_205#Is_there%27s_a_way_to_find_low_res_images_in_an_article_list? Is there a way to find low res images in an article list?]”. Maybe I have what you were looking for.

I am currently working on a tool to monitor the visual content of Wikiprojects, but it also accepts lists of articles. It is called Visual Content Assessment Tool and can detect low resolution images to improve, which seems exactly what you were looking for.

The tool is made of two parts: an extraction tool, and a dashboard to explore the data. I can extract the data for you if you provide me with the list, or you can follow the instructions here and do it yourself. Then you can load the data file in the dashboard here and explore it to find low resolution images. — Preceding unsigned comment added by MingoBerlingo (talk • contribs) 14:50, 26 July 2023 (UTC)


 * @MingoBerlingo Dude you are insane. Well done! CactiStaccingCrane (talk) 15:29, 26 July 2023 (UTC)
 * This is the tool that I've dreamed of for years. Please do work on it more! CactiStaccingCrane (talk) 15:30, 26 July 2023 (UTC)
 * I'm really happy you liked it. If there's something yuo think i could improve tell me, I appreciate new proposals MingoBerlingo (talk) 15:37, 26 July 2023 (UTC)
 * I think that you should focus on getting the queries from Quarry, rather than asking users to install a script. At the very least, you should package the script in a way that is easy for non-IT savvy people to use and can be run on all platforms (Windows, MacOS, Linux). CactiStaccingCrane (talk) 15:39, 26 July 2023 (UTC)
 * Did you try to use the extraction tool? did you find it difficult to use? That's the hard part of the project, I am trying to make it as easy as possible to be used. MingoBerlingo (talk) 16:10, 26 July 2023 (UTC)
 * I couldn't because I am on MacOS... That's why I said the last sentence. But I used the example data in JOSM and it works great! CactiStaccingCrane (talk) 16:19, 26 July 2023 (UTC)

Question from WikiHunt12 (00:20, 1 August 2023)
How do you add a section to a table? --WikiHunt12 (talk) 00:20, 1 August 2023 (UTC)

Question from Feedingcrowsmedia (17:13, 1 August 2023)
Hi I am new to editing on Wikipedia and I’d appreciate any help you can offer. Look forward to hearing from you. Thanks --Feedingcrowsmedia (talk) 17:13, 1 August 2023 (UTC)

Question from Scruffy kitty1 (01:10, 11 August 2023)
Hello, how do I start adding edits?? --Scruffy kitty1 (talk) 01:10, 11 August 2023 (UTC)

Question from HeartStater90 (06:04, 12 August 2023)
Hi - I’m new to doing all of this - what’s the best way to be objective in articles? I’m attempting to simply summarise multiple views fairly and not address debate without facts --HeartStater90 (talk) 06:04, 12 August 2023 (UTC)

Generative AI and Wikipedia research
Hi CactiStaccingCrane, My name is Dr. Tim Koskie and I am a researcher at the Centre for Media Transition (CMT) at the University of Technology Sydney (UTS). We are conducting a study on the implications of content-generating AI systems such as ChatGPT for knowledge integrity on Wikipedia, and are approaching you because you have participated in discussions on this topic on Wikimedia pages. If you are interested, we would like to invite you to participate in our study. It would involve joining either a focus group discussion or an interview (around 1 hour), in person at Wikimania in Singapore if you are going to be there, or online at a future date. At these sessions we would ask you questions about how you think generative AI will impact Wikipedia, as well as about the kinds of work you do on Wikipedia. The project is funded by the Wikimedia Research Fund grant programme. You can find out more about the project here: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Research:Implications_of_ChatGPT_for_knowledge_integrity_on_Wikipedia If you are interested, let me know and I will forward you some more detailed information on the project. Tbkoskie (talk) 01:37, 15 August 2023 (UTC)

August thanks
Thank you for improving articles in August! - Today, my focus is on Renata Scotto, after days of updating. -- Gerda Arendt (talk) 14:58, 20 August 2023 (UTC)

Today is Debussy's birthday. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 15:41, 22 August 2023 (UTC)

"English bias" listed at Redirects for discussion
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Acceleration
I reverted your edit to the page on acceleration because I think the old image shows the concept better. I made a comment about this in the edit log. 96.227.223.203 (talk) 21:21, 6 September 2023 (UTC)

I think the old image is better because it shows a longer period of acceleration building compared to the one you added, giving more focus to the process of acceleration, rather than impact.96.227.223.203 (talk) 21:24, 6 September 2023 (UTC)

New message from Jo-Jo Eumerus
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September thanks
Thank you for improving articles in September! -- Gerda Arendt (talk) 12:50, 20 September 2023 (UTC)

Concern regarding Draft:Supergenus
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October thanks
Thank you for improving articles in October! - Today, it's a place that inspired me, musings if you have time. My corner for memory and music has today a juxtaposition of what our local church choirs offer. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 14:17, 20 October 2023 (UTC)

Orphaned non-free image File:New Neutron rocket.png
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Diacritics in Vietnamese-language titles
Hey—I just wanted to let you know that WP:UE advises against diacritics as you've been moving Vietnamese-language-related articles to. I do understand that Vietnamese is a tonal language—the orthography of most languages is important to a comparable degree, but generally I think the policy is correct, as much as it sometimes pains me with Chinese.Cheers! — Remsense  聊  19:39, 29 October 2023 (UTC)

DS Alert
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MfD nomination of Wikipedia:Wikipediocracy
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WikiCup 2023 November newsletter
The WikiCup is a marathon rather than a sprint and all those reaching the final round have been involved in the competition for the last ten months, improving Wikipedia vastly during the process. After all this hard work, BeanieFan11 has emerged as the 2023 winner and the WikiCup Champion. The finalists this year were:-


 * BeanieFan11 with 2582 points
 * Thebiguglyalien with 1615 points
 * Epicgenius with 1518 points
 * MyCatIsAChonk with 1012 points
 * BennyOnTheLoose with 974 points
 * AirshipJungleman29 with 673 points
 * Sammi Brie with 520 points
 * Unlimitedlead with 5 points

Congratulations to everyone who participated in this year's WikiCup, whether they made it to the final round or not, and particular congratulations to the newcomers to the competition, some of whom did very well. Wikipedia has benefitted greatly from the quality creations, expansions and improvements made, and the numerous reviews performed. All those who reached the final round will win awards. The following special awards will be made based on high performance in particular areas of content creation and review. Awards will be handed out in the next few days.


 * Unlimitedlead wins the featured article prize, for 7 FAs in total including 3 in round 2.
 * MyCatIsAChonk wins the featured list prize, for 5 FLs in total.
 * 🏴󠁧󠁢󠁥󠁮󠁧󠁿 Lee Vilenski wins the featured topic prize, for a 6-article featured topic in round 4.
 * MyCatIsAChonk wins the featured picture prize, for 6 FPs in total.
 * BeanieFan11 wins the good article prize, for 75 GAs in total, including 61 in the final round.
 * Epicgenius wins the good topic prize, for a 41-article good topic in the final round.
 * LunaEatsTuna wins the GA reviewer prize, for 70 GA reviews in round 1.
 * MyCatIsAChonk wins the FA reviewer prize, for 66 FA reviews in the final round.
 * Epicgenius wins the DYK prize, for 49 did you know articles in total.
 * 🇺🇦 Muboshgu wins the ITN prize, for 46 in the news articles in total.

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Italy by night
fwiw, I think that the night shot of Italy is much nicer. Unfortunately it falls foul of MOS:IMAGE which in summary says that pics are to illustrate not to decorate. It also would invite perpetual nationalistic image swapping. 𝕁𝕄𝔽 (talk) 13:47, 11 November 2023 (UTC)


 * Agree on that, but I'm honestly struggling to find an image of the whole Earth with a similar quality. CactiStaccingCrane (talk) 13:48, 11 November 2023 (UTC)

Edit to Collatz conjecture
I undid your edit to the 'Unsolved problem' box. Though it simplified technical terms (which are explained in the article), making it more understandable for the general masses, your one-sentence formulation of the conjecture was incomplete and, as far as I'm concerned, less elegant. Ramanujaner (talk) 17:48, 11 November 2023 (UTC)

Your draft article, Draft:Supergenus


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In accordance with our policy that Wikipedia is not for the indefinite hosting of material deemed unsuitable for the encyclopedia mainspace, the draft has been deleted. When you plan on working on it further and you wish to retrieve it, you can request its undeletion. An administrator will, in most cases, restore the submission so you can continue to work on it.

Thanks for your submission to Wikipedia, and happy editing. Liz Read! Talk! 03:47, 16 November 2023 (UTC)

November thanks
Thank you for improving article quality in November! - Vacation pictures offered if you click on songs, and my story today is a DYK hook from 13 years ago OTD: about the great music at one of my churches. -- Gerda Arendt (talk) 16:42, 21 November 2023 (UTC)

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December 2023
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 * @Equalwidth, I am not very happy by automatic revert/templating without a further explanation. The Manual of Style does not say anything about prohibiting lists in the lead. CactiStaccingCrane (talk) 06:55, 3 December 2023 (UTC)
 * But bullet points look odd in lead sections. Equalwidth (C) 06:56, 3 December 2023 (UTC)
 * "Looks odd" does not mean it does not conform with the Manual of Style. In this case, a list is appropriate because it makes the information more organized and spaced out for the reader. CactiStaccingCrane (talk) 06:59, 3 December 2023 (UTC)
 * It looks inconsistent in lead sections too… Equalwidth (C) 07:00, 3 December 2023 (UTC)
 * Popping in to reiterate that those reasons are unacceptable in themselves for instant reverting. If you disagree with a big edit of this kind, do not just act like it violates a guideline if it doesn't, discuss it with the editor on the talk page first. i know you are relatively new here, so it is helpful to know this is a huge component of how wikipedia works in practice. Remsense  留  07:02, 3 December 2023 (UTC)

Content dispute at Talk:SpaceX Starship
Hello,

The content dispute on whether or not to classify the recent test flights as successes, partial failures or failures is continuing to persist despite the recent RfC which was closed by you. In this RfC, for the third time, consensus had emerged to classify the test flights as failures. Earlier today, a new discussion section was opened disputing the outcome of the recent RfC, which I responded to shortly before posting this message on your talk page. I'm still a rather unexperienced Wikipedia editor, so I wanted to ask you for your opinion on what to do next. Personally, I think that this should this be taken to a venue like the dispute resolution noticeboard as I think that this content dispute will continue to persist without comment from a third party. What do you think?

Best regards, Yasslaywikia (talk) 16:35, 13 December 2023 (UTC)


 * Sure I guess, but I won't be involved in it. I'm just too tired with Wikipedia right now. CactiStaccingCrane (talk) 16:41, 13 December 2023 (UTC)

December 2023
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Edit warring
Your recent editing history shows that you are currently engaged in an edit war; that means that you are repeatedly changing content back to how you think it should be, when you have seen that other editors disagree. To resolve the content dispute, please do not revert or change the edits of others when you are reverted. Instead of reverting, please use the talk page to work toward making a version that represents consensus among editors. The best practice at this stage is to discuss, not edit-war; read about how this is done. If discussions reach an impasse, you can then post a request for help at a relevant noticeboard or seek dispute resolution. In some cases, you may wish to request temporary page protection.

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 * Ok, got it. CactiStaccingCrane (talk) 10:44, 17 December 2023 (UTC)

December greetings
Thank you for what you do and stand for! I wish you a good festive season and a peaceful New Year! -- Gerda Arendt (talk) 18:41, 20 December 2023 (UTC)

Merry Christmas!
Happy Holidays text.png Hello CactiStaccingCrane: Enjoy the holiday season&#32;and winter solstice if it's occurring in your area of the world, and thanks for your work to maintain, improve and expand Wikipedia. Cheers, —Ganesha811 (talk) 06:58, 24 December 2023 (UTC)


 * Thank you so much @Ganesha811! CactiStaccingCrane (talk) 06:59, 24 December 2023 (UTC)

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January 2024 no unreferenced articles challenge
Hey CSC, happy new year! I love this idea of getting January 2024 at zero and keeping it there for the entire month. It's going to take WORK but I am very enthusiastic about it. I already went through and cleared out some of the biology articles. It's currently at 33. I'll try to get it under 15 by the end of the day and see how it goes. Kazamzam (talk) 16:44, 3 January 2024 (UTC)


 * I'm gonna work backwards, starting from Dec 2023 backlogs. CactiStaccingCrane (talk) 02:09, 4 January 2024 (UTC)

Chamayam
i add sources for Chamayam (1993 film) by --Sunuraju (talk) 15:22, 6 January 2024 (UTC)


 * Thanks a lot for doing so :) I found this article at Category:Articles lacking sources from January 2024 and I am running through the backlog. CactiStaccingCrane (talk) 15:24, 6 January 2024 (UTC)

Nomination for deletion of Template:Perfection
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Your message
Hello. I have read the message you placed on my talk page.

Unfortunately, when that article was first created back in 2004, inline citations were generally not required. The article is more than 500 words long. It might take a considerable length of time to add inline citations for the entire text. I will try to add inline citations to as much of the text as possible, if and when I have time, but I cannot say exactly when I will be able to do that. James500 (talk) 16:31, 10 January 2024 (UTC)


 * Hey, don't worry! I can help you with that. CactiStaccingCrane (talk) 16:32, 10 January 2024 (UTC)

Your large changes...
...is fine, but expect to be reverted when you attempt to make major changes in the leads or other text of long-time articles. The reverts come with the territory. You often make good edits, and also often make large scale edits which do not improve the pages. Edit warring when something is reverted does not come with the territory that you seem to like to work in. Randy Kryn (talk) 15:21, 8 January 2024 (UTC)


 * (Context for archives: ) I hope I did not give an impression of me engaging in edit wars. I do fully expect that my edits are going to be reverted and I try to adhere to 3RR as much as possible. It is part of my editing philosophy: if it sticks, great. If it does not, then move on or discuss about the issue. - CactiStaccingCrane (talk) 15:54, 8 January 2024 (UTC)
 * You're right, apologizes if I gave the impression that you were edit warring. It was just one revert of a chart, not unusual when an editor really feels that they are doing the correct thing. Randy Kryn (talk) 15:57, 8 January 2024 (UTC)

Wanted to assure you I'm not following you (per the several reverts over the last few days), just overlaps on my Watch list. Randy Kryn (talk) 14:51, 10 January 2024 (UTC)


 * Thank you for saying so. Just saying, I've deleted the gallery at Harvard because it is way too big and clunky. Next time I will be trying to trim down the gallery to about 10 images, each representing the most accomplished alumni in a field. CactiStaccingCrane (talk) 15:02, 10 January 2024 (UTC)
 * The gallery seems fine, but of course both of our takes on it are subjective. My opinion of having a good size gallery like this (which isn't really that big in the overall number of notable graduates of the University) is it gives readers a nice overview and easy links to some of the notables associated with the institution. Randy Kryn (talk) 15:12, 10 January 2024 (UTC)
 * That's a fair opinion as well. Let's keep it as is for now. CactiStaccingCrane (talk) 15:13, 10 January 2024 (UTC)
 * Thanks. I can say I went to Harvard (ahem, well, at least walked the grounds during the 2019 North American WikiConference), and it was interesting visiting some of the famous sites. One of the museums has these amazing flowers/plants made from glass, that was pretty much my priority for taking the subway there (and to see the John Harvard statue). Just rambling (we Harvard men like to do that). Randy Kryn (talk) 16:00, 10 January 2024 (UTC)
 * Is it the Blaschka Glass Models of Plants? Damn, it looks like a really cool place! CactiStaccingCrane (talk) 16:02, 10 January 2024 (UTC)
 * Yes, we have it at Glass Flowers (although everything there isn't based on a flower). Worth visiting. The museum also has Glass sea creatures by the same people, and a nice rock and mineral collection. Randy Kryn (talk) 23:11, 10 January 2024 (UTC)

Alternative solution/a massive backlog drive
Hey, hope you're doing well. January 2024 is looking really good compared to where other categories usually are by the middle of the month.

I appreciate the ping but there's so much that's been said about the proposed policy change (which I disagree with) and the backlog drive (which I've been advocating for 3000 years, or so it seems) that I'm not sure what more to add. I totally disagree with Levivich's comments that articles that are unsourced for years are because they're one of the least important articles on Wikipedia but that's not really the point. I see the points of both 'there is no deadline' and 'the deadline is now', but, not to be a broken record advocating the slow and steady, the best way to get through the backlog is to just, in the words of Fabolous, do the damn thang rather than reinventing/revising the deletion policy. I appreciate everyone's consideration on topic but with that many people spending however much time on that RfC/proposal, we could have referenced easily over 100 articles.

That being said!!! Backlog drive - when! How! I don't know how to do this but I am almost foaming at the mouth at the idea. It's a new year and it's time for it. Happy to help (co)lead and spread awareness about it but I don't know how to get it off the ground. Would you want to help organize this with me?

P.S. here is the link to the oversized Google Sheets tracking document I have been maintaining - feel free to check it out. Cheers, Kazamzam (talk) 17:06, 10 January 2024 (UTC)


 * Well, as they always say, there're more talkers than doers. I'm thinking that based on the current rate of article improvement, we could do a drive for the December 2009 category, which is absurdly big and should be gone ASAP. CactiStaccingCrane (talk) 23:50, 10 January 2024 (UTC)
 * Or we can deal with backlogs in 2023 and get a better feeling of motivation. CactiStaccingCrane (talk) 00:31, 11 January 2024 (UTC)

January 2024
Please do not move articles, such as List of New Age topics, without discussion. I have moved it back, as it does not qualify as an outline. If you disagree, please follow the process at requested moves to start a move discussion. Thank you. Skyerise (talk) 00:02, 12 January 2024 (UTC)

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Deprodding of Pokémon: The Mastermind of Mirage Pokémon
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 * Thanks a lot for the notification @Brainulator9! CactiStaccingCrane (talk) 15:26, 12 January 2024 (UTC)
 * You're welcome! Bear in mind that I don't have any particular thoughts on whether the article should remain an article, just whether deletion is the best option. (I also found a single source on the article, but no references list, haha.) -B RAINULATOR 9 (TALK) 20:34, 12 January 2024 (UTC)
 * @Brainulator9, I found this article while patrolling Category:Articles lacking sources from January 2024, so forgive me if I rushed the PROD. CactiStaccingCrane (talk) 06:17, 14 January 2024 (UTC)
 * You're fine. -B RAINULATOR 9 (TALK) 17:55, 14 January 2024 (UTC)

Image placement
Please put images on their own line in the wikitext. Looking at the dif of this edit, the quick-glance appearance is that you changed the whole intro paragraph, when all you actually did is move the image. And be sure to use an edit-summary regardless. Thanks! DMacks (talk) 18:42, 14 January 2024 (UTC)


 * I would blame VE for that. But still, yes, I should've done better communicating my edits. My apologies. CactiStaccingCrane (talk) 00:17, 15 January 2024 (UTC)
 * No worries. DMacks (talk) 03:49, 15 January 2024 (UTC)

January 2024
I reverted your revision on Teahouse, because I don't think your edit was particularly helpful/useful. 20 upper (talk) 16:35, 19 January 2024 (UTC)


 * Well, I guess that good work should not be appreciated then. Sorry to be rude, but to say that what you are doing leave me a sour taste in my mouth is an understatement. CactiStaccingCrane (talk) 16:36, 19 January 2024 (UTC)
 * What exactly are you doing, and why? 20 upper (talk) 17:12, 19 January 2024 (UTC)

Unreferenced articles February 2024 backlog drive
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Big improvement!
The drive page is looking so much better already!! There's already 14 people signed up (not counting me and the usual suspects from the URA), this is FANTASTIC! Have you already reached out to the Signpost? I am so excited at how this is going to turn out - and to smoke some of these newbie editors with my incredible citing skillz (half-kidding). Thank you so much for all the amazing work. Kazamzam (talk) 18:05, 20 January 2024 (UTC)


 * I'm currently writing the general citation guidelines. After that, I'll get in contact with the editor-in-chief of the Signpost and hopefully get more help from active Wikiprojects, namely WP:SPORTS, WP:INDIA, WP:USA, etc. CactiStaccingCrane (talk) 18:09, 20 January 2024 (UTC)
 * Somewhat urgent - the signup button doesn't go to the correct section anymore. Kazamzam (talk) 18:15, 20 January 2024 (UTC)
 * Done. That's because "&section=" take in section numbers from top to bottom, and we recently reordered the sections. CactiStaccingCrane (talk) 18:17, 20 January 2024 (UTC)

Short descriptions of mathematics articles
Hi there! I noticed the edits you've made to some mathematics articles, changing their short descriptions into examples:


 * Addition
 * Subtraction
 * Multiplication
 * Division (mathematics)
 * Exponentiation
 * Nth root
 * Logarithm
 * Pythagorean theorem

I realise that there's already been some response to this in various places (in edit comments, on Talk:Nth root), but I thought it might be helpful to put discussion somewhere more central rather than on individual articles, and this seemed like a good place.

I agree with the idea of making short descriptions more specific than (for instance) "Mathematical operation", but I don't think a bare example is the right way to do this. The difficulty is in balancing the different aims, requirements, and purposes of a short description. "Mathematical operation" is fine for disambiguation, but isn't descriptive. An example is descriptive, but it may be too specific: it might only make sense to someone already familiar with the topic, and/or it might not suit the topic past a certain level (similar to the objection to describing trigonometric functions as relating to right triangles). A description plus an example may be too long. And so on.

I like the guidance at WP:SDEXAMPLES: start with a descriptive sentence like "&lt;topic&gt; is a…", and see what fits afterwards. I think this shows up the trouble with both the existing ones ("Exponentiation is a mathematical operation"—yeah, so are lots of things!) and the bare examples ("A logarithm is, for example, log₂(8) = 3"—no use if I don't already know what logarithms are). I wonder whether a combination would work, something like "Mathematical operation, e.g. 3 + 2 = 5"? Or would this be an instance of a compromise that makes everyone unhappy?

Ideally there would be some way to describe the operation or function that's both accurate and brief. But I'm not sure such a thing is achievable! If you describe subtraction as, say, "reducing the value", it's really only accurate at an elementary level. But how can we encapsulate all the nuance of subtraction in a short description? I suppose the answer is "we don't"; we should keep in mind that a short description isn't a summary of the article, it's a pointer to help people know whether the article is what they're after.

Actually, I didn't mind the previous short description for subtraction: "One of the four basic arithmetic operations". What is it that you think is lacking there?

(I'm also pinging, who has already had some involvement in these edits and may wish to weigh in.)

-- Perey (talk) 04:59, 21 January 2024 (UTC)


 * Yeah... That's not easy to balance. I don't really know what's the most ideal solution here... CactiStaccingCrane (talk) 06:03, 21 January 2024 (UTC)

A barnstar for you!

 * Thanks a lot User:Kj cheetham. It's gonna be a long month... CactiStaccingCrane (talk) 09:54, 23 January 2024 (UTC)
 * I second the barnstar and am pleased to see you have already attracted a considerable number of participants.--Ipigott (talk) 11:44, 23 January 2024 (UTC)

+1 -- Love seeing so much interest in this collaboration --- Another Believer ( Talk ) 14:24, 25 January 2024 (UTC)


 * This is probably on its way to become the biggest drive in Wikipedia history once it meet 200 members mark. That's just insane. CactiStaccingCrane (talk) 14:25, 25 January 2024 (UTC)
 * I planned to write a customized welcome message to everybody but I'm just burned out right now... give me a couple days and everybody will get one. CactiStaccingCrane (talk) 14:26, 25 January 2024 (UTC)

January music
Thank you for improving articles in January! I remember Ewa Podleś on the Main page, and had - believe it or not - two musical DYK today. Shalom chaverim. On vacation, with something for your sweet tooth -- Gerda Arendt (talk) 22:07, 25 January 2024 (UTC)

Today: the performance of Anna Nekhames --Gerda Arendt (talk) 21:25, 26 January 2024 (UTC)

Today a friend's birthday, with related music and a few new vacation pics --Gerda Arendt (talk) 19:53, 30 January 2024 (UTC)

Untagged but with general references/external links
Hey! Very excited about tomorrow's start, I'm really excited to see what 200+ participants can do with this drive. Something we might want to iron out, if last minute, is how to address articles that are tagged as unreferenced but do have general references or external links. The unreferenced tag can be swapped for an inline tag but I wouldn't award any points because it's not doing the work of adding an inline citation. Do you think it's worth making that clear or is this nitpicking on my part? It's something I have seen a fair bit but that might be just my experience. Kazamzam (talk) 23:43, 30 January 2024 (UTC)


 * Yeah, this is kinda obvious and we should make it clear that points will only be awarded if one citation is added. CactiStaccingCrane (talk) 00:33, 31 January 2024 (UTC)

Drive welcomes
I created a template in my sandbox as a welcome template to use in JWB, I can send it out to everyone who has not been welcomed if you would like. Geardona (talk to me?) 01:05, 1 February 2024 (UTC)

Done
✅ with welcomes. Let me know if/when you need re-run. Geardona (talk to me?) 23:03, 1 February 2024 (UTC)
 * I would suggest next time, make it more obvious which drive it is. :-) As I've got 3 I'm taking part in this quarter. Also it does seem a bit overkill given there were personalised welcomes already done, but I assume this was to ensure everyone received something. Thanks. -Kj cheetham (talk) 15:42, 2 February 2024 (UTC)
 * And also, don't re-use the section title - I now have two "Welcome to the drive!" sections, so found the old one when trying to read the new one. But I'm enjoying the drive, pity about all the RL stuff which is awaiting my attention ... ! Pam  D  15:51, 2 February 2024 (UTC)
 * P.S. Also, wouldn't using WP:MMS have been better than using JWP for sending, as the latter seems more WP:MEATBOT-like? (I don't know if there was bot approval and I'm not overly familar with the rules for that.) -Kj cheetham (talk) 16:32, 2 February 2024 (UTC)
 * I don't think I need BRFA, the edits were not huge in terms of pages (or changes). Mass message was brought up, but not fully considered btw. Geardona (talk to me?) 17:05, 2 February 2024 (UTC)
 * You might want to double check about BRFA for next time, given it's potentially a couple of 100 user talk pages, and bots posting messages on user talk pages can be controversial. -Kj cheetham (talk) 16:31, 3 February 2024 (UTC)
 * I suppose it would be helpful. Geardona (talk to me?) 18:46, 3 February 2024 (UTC)
 * Hmm it should have skipped those, must have screwed something up with skip settings., let me figure it out. Geardona (talk to me?) 17:03, 2 February 2024 (UTC)
 * Confirmed, skip settings broke, REGEX unchecked. Geardona (talk to me?) 17:20, 2 February 2024 (UTC)

“Troll tag”
I have no idea why you thought it suitable to remove a valid tag and make a personal attack at the same time. Putting an opinion in WP’s voice is bad writing, which is why I added the tag. Your deletion of it was poor and the personal attack unwarranted. - SchroCat (talk) 14:29, 4 February 2024 (UTC)

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 * Finally! CactiStaccingCrane (talk) 15:31, 5 February 2024 (UTC)

CS1 error on Dance in Vietnam
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WikiCup 2024 February newsletter
The 2024 WikiCup is off to a flying start, with 135 participants. This is the largest number of participants we have seen since 2017.

Our current leader is newcomer, who has one FA on John Littlejohn (preacher) and 10 GAs and 12 DYKs mostly on New Zealand coinage and Inuit figures. Here are some more noteworthy scorers:


 * , with one FA on Hö'elün, two GAs on Mongolia-related articles, and two DYKs;
 * , with one FA on Doom (2016 video game), one GA on Boundary Fire (2017), and 11 reviews;
 * , with one FA on Holidays (Meghan Trainor song), a nine-article FT on 30 (album), and two DYKs;
 * , with one FA on OneShot and one DYK;
 * , with five GAs and five DYKs on television and radio stations;
 * and, both with one FA and one DYK each.

As a reminder, competitors may submit work for the first round until 23:59 (UTC) on 27 February, and the second round starts 1 March. Remember that only the top 64 scoring competitors will make it through to the second round; currently, competitors need at least 15 points to progress. If you are concerned that your nomination will not receive the necessary reviews, and you hope to get it promoted before the end of the round, please list it on WikiCup/Reviews. However, please remember to continue to offer reviews at GAN, FAC and all the other pages that require them to prevent any backlogs which could otherwise be caused by the Cup. As ever, questions are welcome on Wikipedia talk:WikiCup and the judges (,, and ) are reachable on their talk pages. Good luck! If you wish to start or stop receiving this newsletter, please feel free to add or remove your name from WikiCup/Newsletter/Send. MediaWiki message delivery (talk) 17:57, 11 February 2024 (UTC)

February thanks
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 * @Gerda Arendt: I miss Vami a lot. Thanks for the flowers, vami loves to wear flowers on his head. He wears it everyday. CactiStaccingCrane (talk) 09:52, 21 February 2024 (UTC)

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WikiCup 2024 March newsletter
The first round of the 2024 WikiCup ended at 23:59 (UTC) on 27 February. Everyone with at least 30 points moved on to Round 2, the highest number of points required to advance to the second round since 2014. Due to a six-way tie for the 64th-place spot, 67 contestants have qualified for Round 2.

The following scorers in Round 1 all scored more than 300 points:


 * , who has 916 points mostly from one FA on John Littlejohn (preacher), 15 GAs, and 16 DYKs on a variety of topics including New Zealand coinage and Inuit figures, in addition to seven reviews
 * , who has 790 points from two FAs on Felix M. Warburg House and Doom (2016 video game), two GAs, one DYK, and 11 reviews
 * , who has 580 points from one FA on Hö'elün, two GAs on Mongolia-related articles, two DYKs, and five reviews
 * , who has 420 points mostly from nine GAs and seven DYKs on television and radio stations
 * , who has 351 points from one FA on Holidays (Meghan Trainor song), a nine-article FT on 30 (album), and three DYKs
 * , who has 345 points from one FA on OneShot, one DYK and two reviews

In this newsletter, the judges would like to pay a special tribute to, who unfortunately passed away this February. At the time of his death, he was the second-highest-scoring competitor. Outside the WikiCup, he had eight other featured articles, five A-class articles, eight other good articles, and two Four Awards. Vami also wrote an essay on completionism, a philosophy in which he deeply believed. If you can, please join us in honoring his memory by improving one of the articles on his to-do list.

Remember that any content promoted after 27 February but before the start of Round 2 can be claimed in Round 2. Invitations for collaborative writing efforts or any other discussion of potentially interesting work is always welcome on the WikiCup talk page. Remember, if two or more WikiCup competitors have done significant work on an article, all can claim points. If you are concerned that your nomination—whether it is at good article candidates, a featured process, or anywhere else—will not receive the necessary reviews, please list it on WikiCup/Reviews Needed. If you want to help out with the WikiCup, feel free to review one of the nominations listed on Wikipedia:WikiCup/Reviews Needed. Questions are welcome on Wikipedia talk:WikiCup, and the judges are reachable on their talk pages. Good luck! If you wish to start or stop receiving this newsletter, please feel free to add or remove your name from WikiCup/Newsletter/Send. MediaWiki message delivery (talk) 00:40, 28 February 2024 (UTC)

Vital articles
Sad to see Special:Diff/1210640290. Trying to get VA to focus more on article improvement than, as you put it, useless article shuffling, is something I mentioned in Q15 at my recent RfA, so there is still a desire there. But I think structural changes of some sort, rather than just a statement on the project page, will be needed to achieve it. Best,  Sdkb  talk 16:46, 27 February 2024 (UTC)


 * @Sdkb The reason why I say so is that despite my multiple efforts to tell people to stop the useless shuffling and actually pay effort to improve these articles, nothing changes. There is a cabal of editors who find joy doing these things and it seems that this couldn't be stopped for whatever the reason. CactiStaccingCrane (talk) 11:38, 28 February 2024 (UTC)

Photo captions
Labeling a picture of Charon as New Horizons is wrong. Do you have any reason to think that this is done anywhere else on Wikipedia? Dan Bloch (talk) 16:37, 27 February 2024 (UTC)


 * The purpose of photo captions is not to "label" an image or even to describe an image. I've seen way too many awkward attempts at describing notable feature on astronomical objects and ended up with a very long and unwieldy caption. Instead, I attempt to standardize these captions and make them as short as possible, which also means I am omitting name of these bodies because that should be obvious. CactiStaccingCrane (talk) 16:40, 27 February 2024 (UTC)
 * No, the purpose of a photo caption is exactly to label an image. I notice that you didn't answer my question about whether this done anywhere else on Wikipedia.  Please stop doing this. Dan Bloch (talk) 16:45, 27 February 2024 (UTC)
 * Is there some policy I'm missing? Otherwise I see you've made this change to fifty or so pages, so I guess this discussion needs to move to a project page. Dan Bloch (talk) 17:34, 27 February 2024 (UTC)
 * Or another option would be to prepend "Photo by" or "Source:" to the captions. Dan Bloch (talk) 20:21, 27 February 2024 (UTC)
 * To clarify what I meant above, it's true that a photo caption doesn't have to label an image. But when it does label an image, it has to label it correctly, which is why labeling an image of Charon as New Horizons is wrong. Dan Bloch (talk) 05:06, 28 February 2024 (UTC)
 * , I've reverted some of these but there are a lot of truncated captions which need reverts and I don't have tools to do so. Cacti is a well-meaning drastic-change editor who gets things wrong on occasion and doubles down on continuing even though some of the earlier edits had been reverted (Sun, Moon). It seems all the captions may have been better before and I've reverted the huge changes to the feature page Earth (Cacti also may not always be aware that opening image captions and feature article texts which have stood the test of time are probably the better choice). Randy Kryn (talk) 11:33, 28 February 2024 (UTC)
 * @Danbloch, how about adding the body's name to the caption? CactiStaccingCrane (talk) 11:41, 28 February 2024 (UTC)
 * Yes, I'm happy with " captured by ..." or " imaged by ...". I see that you or others have been working on this and a lot of the captions read this way now.  I'll see what's left.
 * This doesn't address Randy Kryn's concern that other information ("true color image", "such-and-such appears in the lower left") is no longer in the captions, but the value of this across all of these articles is by and large outside the scope of my knowledge. Dan Bloch (talk) 22:25, 28 February 2024 (UTC)
 * Looks like they've all been changed one way or another. Dan Bloch (talk) 23:28, 28 February 2024 (UTC)

Earth
Hi I've had a few health issues, most of them likely to be resolved by the end of this month (planned surgery). I'll try to properly review your proposal for the lede before then, but no guarantees. It would be worth pinging the other editors involved in the previous discussion to get a broader response. Mikenorton (talk) 17:14, 1 March 2024 (UTC)

Your GA nomination of Mars Society
Hi there, I'm pleased to inform you that I've begun reviewing the article Mars Society you nominated for GA-status according to the criteria. This process may take up to 7 days. Feel free to contact me with any questions or comments you might have during this period. Message delivered by ChristieBot, on behalf of Cocobb8 -- Cocobb8 (talk) 23:25, 4 March 2024 (UTC)

Your GA nomination of Mars Society
The article Mars Society you nominated as a good article has been placed on hold. The article is close to meeting the good article criteria, but there are some minor changes or clarifications needing to be addressed. If these are fixed within 7 days, the article will pass; otherwise it may fail. See Talk:Mars Society and Talk:Mars Society/GA2 for issues which need to be addressed. Message delivered by ChristieBot, on behalf of Cocobb8 -- Cocobb8 (talk) 18:22, 5 March 2024 (UTC)

Overly shortened captions
Hello, I've noticed that recently you've been embarking on an effort to standardize the captions of Solar System object infoboxes. While standardization of such a highly-visible part of an article is certainly beneficial, I must point out that you've been shortening them to the point where they are nearly obsolete. As someone else pointed out to me, one of the primary purposes of a caption in an infobox is to give a description of the image if the image fails to load; beyond this, it also intends to supplement the image itself, giving clarity as to what the lay reader is looking at. As such, I would say it's reductive to shorten captions to simply stating the object's name, the imaging spacecraft, and the date of the image. ArkHyena (talk) 03:34, 7 March 2024 (UTC)

February 2024 WikiProject Unreferenced articles backlog drive – award

 * Thank you so much! @DreamRimmer sorry if I haven't been able to participate in the drive as much as I've wanted to, real life really gets in the way. CactiStaccingCrane (talk) 03:04, 9 March 2024 (UTC)

Your GA nomination of Mars Society
The article Mars Society you nominated as a good article has passed ; see Talk:Mars Society for comments about the article, and Talk:Mars Society/GA2 for the nomination. Well done! If the article is eligible to appear in the "Did you know" section of the Main Page, you can nominate it within the next seven days. Message delivered by ChristieBot, on behalf of Cocobb8 -- Cocobb8 (talk) 12:09, 9 March 2024 (UTC)

Hoax
The hoax is that you merged any content at all to private spaceflight. See WP:Deletion by redirection. You could start with Billionaire space race. Neither Peter Diamandis nor Students for the Exploration and Development of Space are mentioned in the private spaceflight article; they probably should be. wbm1058 (talk) 14:40, 17 March 2024 (UTC)
 * Any addition of information to the private spaceflight page should not be a reason to delete (a redirect by any other name) the Billionaire space race page. CactiStaccingCrane has a good faith habit of extremely bold moves which often, if not usually, get reverted, and I would ask that they certainly not begin merging and/or deleting articles such as in this case. Randy Kryn (talk) 15:01, 17 March 2024 (UTC)

An answer to you Edit conflicted before the discussion was closed, thanks
Seems Musk and SpaceX have done more to push humanity towards exploring Mars (both in tech and human missions) than any other entities or societal forms such as science fiction (god bless Burroughs, Heinlein, Bradbury, Bova, and the rest). The achievement of landing an Earthling on Mars (making them temporary Martians) is both a noble and achievable cause which Musk has dreamed of as he gained his billions. Randy Kryn (talk) 12:56, 18 March 2024 (UTC)
 * Since this is on a talk page I can mention I was the first to show Bova a photograph of the planet Mars after the 1976 landing (and knew Bradbury, Heinlein, and did historical work on Burroughs, to namedrop a few). When Bova saw it (a newspaper front page) his first words were "Looks like New Jersey". Randy Kryn (talk) 12:59, 18 March 2024 (UTC)
 * I think that SpaceX Mars effort is more notable than Mars One and such because it is actually a realistic plan with strong financial backing. In response, Rocket Lab has announced they want to do some stuff on Venus and Relativity Space has announced they want to do some stuff on Mars. I think this article do need to trim down a lot and personally I'm still somewhat skeptical that SpaceX will land stuff on Mars, but even if the plan fails, this is still a notable topic, and it looks like this is another case where Wikipedia is documenting history. Sorry for being so hot-headed earlier. CactiStaccingCrane (talk) 13:03, 18 March 2024 (UTC)
 * Musk may not be giving Wikipedia a billion (I'm still counting on him to give us 100 million) but hopefully his successes keep piling up. NASA certainly isn't realistically aiming for a Mars landing with adequate funding. Hotheaded? I seriously didn't notice that, and have always enjoyed our discussions and back-and-forths. Randy Kryn (talk) 13:06, 18 March 2024 (UTC)
 * You might be interested in my work at Mars Society. I have spent a lot of time researching about the new Mars resurgence and I felt that this is the right time to write about them. CactiStaccingCrane (talk) 13:09, 18 March 2024 (UTC)
 * Will check it out more fully, thanks. Thought I'd clarify my interactions with you, the deletions and all. We're both trying to make the pages as good as they can be, just have a different point of view at times. I regard your work on space articles as commendable and exceptional, especially given your overall contributions to Wikipedia. People interested enough in these topics to actually edit the pages for others seem to be a rare breed, and I honor and applaud you and all of them (even though most of us are wild horses who will not accept the saddle, which luckily comes with the territory). Randy Kryn (talk) 13:31, 18 March 2024 (UTC)

March thanks
Thank you for improving article quality in March! - I uploaded Madeira vacation pics (from back home, at least the first day) and remember Aribert Reimann. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 21:13, 20 March 2024 (UTC)

Checking in
Hey, how are you? Haven't spoke in a while. Was curious if you've ever seen Broad-concept article or Category:Broad-concept articles? Rather bizzares examples in the cat, and I'm not exactly sure what the point of the guideline is.  Aza24  (talk)   01:43, 24 March 2024 (UTC)

"I'ma Chargin Mah Lazer" listed at Redirects for discussion
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New Pages Patrol newsletter April 2024
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"Trang Chính" listed at Redirects for discussion
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Speedy deletion nomination of Trang Chính


A tag has been placed on Trang Chính requesting that it be speedily deleted from Wikipedia. This has been done under section G4 of the criteria for speedy deletion, because the page appears to be a repost of material that was previously deleted following a deletion discussion, at []. When a page has substantially identical content to that of a page deleted after a discussion, and any changes in the content do not address the reasons for which the material was previously deleted, it may be deleted at any time.

If you think this page should not be deleted for this reason, you may contest the nomination by visiting the page and clicking the button labelled "Contest this speedy deletion". This will give you the opportunity to explain why you believe the page should not be deleted. However, be aware that once a page is tagged for speedy deletion, it may be deleted without delay. Please do not remove the speedy deletion tag from the page yourself, but do not hesitate to add information in line with Wikipedia's policies and guidelines. If the page is deleted, and you wish to retrieve the deleted material for future reference or improvement, then please contact the, or if you have already done so, you can place a request here. Okmrman (talk) 15:43, 3 April 2024 (UTC)

DYK for Mars Society
&mdash; Amakuru (talk) 12:03, 4 April 2024 (UTC)

Billionaire space race
Hello CactiStaccingCrane,

I see you created List of hoaxes on Wikipedia/Billionaire space race (saw it when browsing the List of Hoaxes talk page). If you disagree with the result of the AFD, then it seems like writing a short essay in user space on why the article is SYNTH or inaccurate would be more useful. Even if you think it is a hoax (I can see calling it SYNTH, but not really a hoax?), the hoax museum is for hoaxes the community actually deleted, which clearly didn't happen here. Would you be willing to just tag it with Template:db-author ? SnowFire (talk) 23:42, 4 April 2024 (UTC)


 * I've filed Wikipedia:Miscellany for deletion/Wikipedia:List of hoaxes on Wikipedia/Billionaire space race, if you want to chime in. SnowFire (talk) 20:16, 5 April 2024 (UTC)
 * Sorry @SnowFire, I was stupid. Speedy deleting it, you're right. CactiStaccingCrane (talk) 23:17, 5 April 2024 (UTC)

Speedy deletion nomination of Million year


A tag has been placed on Million year requesting that it be speedily deleted from Wikipedia. This has been done under section R3 of the criteria for speedy deletion, because it is a recently created redirect from an implausible typo or misnomer, or other unlikely search term.

If you think this page should not be deleted for this reason, you may contest the nomination by visiting the page and clicking the button labelled "Contest this speedy deletion". This will give you the opportunity to explain why you believe the page should not be deleted. However, be aware that once a page is tagged for speedy deletion, it may be deleted without delay. Please do not remove the speedy deletion tag from the page yourself, but do not hesitate to add information in line with Wikipedia's policies and guidelines. Padgriffin Griffin's Nest 22:39, 9 April 2024 (UTC)

WikiCup 2024 April newsletter
We are approaching the end of the 2024 WikiCup's second round, with a little over two weeks remaining. Currently, contestants must score at least 105 points to progress to the third round.

Our current top scorers are as follows:


 * with 642 points, mostly from 11 GAs about radio and television;
 * with 530 points, mostly from two FAs (Well he would, wouldn't he? and Cora Agnes Benneson) and three GAs;
 * with 523 points, mostly from 11 GAs about coinage and history;
 * with 497 points, mostly from a FA about the 2020 season of the soccer club Seattle Sounders FC and two GAs;
 * with 410 points, mostly from a FA about the drink Capri-Sun and three GAs;
 * with 330 points, mostly from a FA about the English botanist Anna Blackburne and a GA.

Competitors may submit work for the second round until the end of 28 April, and the third round starts 1 May. Remember that only competitors with the top 32 scores will make it through to the third round. If you are concerned that your nomination will not receive the necessary reviews, and you hope to get it promoted before the end of the round, please list it on WikiCup/Reviews. Please remember to continue to offer reviews at GAN, FAC and all the other pages that require them to prevent any backlogs. As a reminder, competitors are strictly prohibited from gaming Wikipedia policies or processes to receive more points.

If you would like to learn more about rules and scoring for the 2024 WikiCup, please read WikiCup/Scoring. Further questions are welcome on Wikipedia talk:WikiCup and the judges (,, and ) are reachable on their talk pages. Good luck! If you wish to start or stop receiving this newsletter, please feel free to add or remove your name from WikiCup/Newsletter/Send. MediaWiki message delivery (talk) 15:05, 12 April 2024 (UTC)

"Mental gymnastics" listed at Redirects for discussion
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Castncoot
Mind digging up the ANI you created about the above user a while back? I'm having trouble locating it. I remember there being incredulous reactions from all involved, so I'm wondering how they would look upon the biting of a new user and this one, which wasn't much better. Seasider53 (talk) 00:01, 22 April 2024 (UTC)


 * Never mind; found it. Seasider53 (talk) 00:05, 22 April 2024 (UTC)

Coarse language
Kindly watch your use of obscenities in the edit comments. Thank you. Praemonitus (talk) 14:03, 21 April 2024 (UTC)


 * @Praemonitus Sorry, I would be more mindful of my language in the future. CactiStaccingCrane (talk) 09:21, 22 April 2024 (UTC)

WikiCup 2024 May newsletter
The second round of the 2024 WikiCup ended on 28 April. This round was particularly competitive: each of the 32 contestants who advanced to Round 3 scored at least 141 points. This is the highest number of points required to advance to Round 3 since 2014.

The following scorers in Round 2 all scored more than 500 points:
 * with 707 points, mostly from 45 good article nomination reviews and 12 good articless about radio and television;
 * with 600 points, mostly from 12 good articles and 12 did you know nominations about coinage and history;
 * with 552 points, mostly from a featured article about the 2020 Seattle Sounders FC season, three featured lists, and two good articles;
 * with 548 points, mostly from a featured article about the snooker player John Pulman, two featured lists, and one good article;
 * with 530 points, mostly from two featured articles (Well he would, wouldn't he? and Cora Agnes Benneson) and three good articles.

The full scores for Round 2 can be seen here. So far this year, competitors have gotten 18 featured articles, 22 featured lists, and 186 good articles, 76 in the news credits and at least 200 did you know credits. They have conducted 165 featured article reviews, as well as 399 good article reviews and peer reviews, and have added 21 articles to featured topics and good topics.

Remember that any content promoted after 28 April but before the start of Round 3 can be claimed during Round 3, which starts on 1 May at 00:00 (UTC). Invitations for collaborative writing efforts or any other discussion of potentially interesting work is always welcome on the WikiCup talk page. Remember, if two or more WikiCup competitors have done significant work on an article, all can claim points. If you are concerned that your nomination—whether it is at good article candidates, a featured process, or anywhere else—will not receive the necessary reviews, please list it on WikiCup/Reviews Needed.

If you would like to learn more about rules and scoring for the 2024 WikiCup, please see this page. Further questions are welcome on Wikipedia talk:WikiCup and the judges (,, and ) are reachable on their talk pages. Good luck! If you wish to start or stop receiving this newsletter, please feel free to add or remove your name from WikiCup/Newsletter/Send. MediaWiki message delivery (talk) 13:37, 29 April 2024 (UTC)

Reminder to vote now to select members of the first U4C

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The Universal Code of Conduct Coordinating Committee (U4C) is a global group dedicated to providing an equitable and consistent implementation of the UCoC. Community members were invited to submit their applications for the U4C. For more information and the responsibilities of the U4C, please review the U4C Charter.

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Untagged unreferenced articles
Good morning! I was looking up poetic terms and found Syzygy (poetry) which was utterly unreferenced but not tagged as such. This is an area of great concern to me - the known unknown quantity of articles that have no references but have never been identified and are flying under the radar. Do you have any ideas on how we could search for them? There's the search for mistagged articles (super useful) but not in the opposite direction. Do you think it would be possible to create something like this? Hopefully it would be a relatively small number but I think these represent a hole in our efforts to improve Wikipedia as most of those articles probably quite old and don't see daylight, metaphorically speaking, very often. Kazamzam (talk) 11:37, 4 May 2024 (UTC)


 * @Kazamzam IMO the best way is to ask for a WP:Query for all articles that don't have &lt;ref> or sfn tags and go from there. Some ideas about how to deal with this also were also thrown about at Village_pump_(idea_lab) as well. CactiStaccingCrane (talk) 13:32, 4 May 2024 (UTC)
 * No need for a query; start here. – Jonesey95 (talk) 03:40, 5 May 2024 (UTC)
 * @Jonesey95 @CactiStaccingCrane - the search using the No footnotes template is not useful at all as every link that I checked had at least some references, if only as a general references page, generic bibliography, further reading section, etc. What I'm referring to are articles that have no footnotes, no references, no bib, no external links, nothing. The lack of or  tags do not necessarily indicate that those meet the criteria of what I'm looking for. Kazamzam (talk) 15:37, 7 May 2024 (UTC)
 * How about using the Unreferenced tag then? That's 138,000 articles, and the template instructions say: You should only add this template to articles that contain no citations or references of any kind. – Jonesey95 (talk) 18:18, 7 May 2024 (UTC)
 * That may be the theory but every article I've checked with that tag - admittedly only a small random selection - has references in some form. Ingratis (talk) 13:05, 9 May 2024 (UTC)

TFA
Today's TFA, Felix M. Warburg House, was written by Vami_IV and Epicgenius, introduced: "This article is about another of the great houses that once lined Fifth Avenue in New York. Specifically, this is the mansion of Felix M. Warburg, a Jewish financier who ignored fears of anti-Semitic reprisal to his decided to build himself a big Gothic manor in the middle of New York City. Although the Warburgs no longer remain, their legacy does: the museum is now the home of the Jewish Museum (Manhattan) and the building largely survives as they left it. It's a beautiful building and I hope you will all enjoy it."! - in memory -- Gerda Arendt (talk) 14:48, 10 May 2024 (UTC)

Sun FAR
I have nominated Sun for a featured article review here. Please join the discussion on whether this article meets featured article criteria. Articles are typically reviewed for two weeks. If substantial concerns are not addressed during the review period, the article will be moved to the Featured Article Removal Candidates list for a further period, where editors may declare "Keep" or "Delist" the article's featured status. The instructions for the review process are here. 750h+ 01:25, 24 May 2024 (UTC)

WikiCup 2024 July newsletter
The third round of the 2024 WikiCup ended on 28 June. As with Round 2, this round was competitive: each of the 16 contestants who advanced to Round 4 scored at least 256 points.

The following editors all scored more than 400 points in Round 3:


 * with 1,059 points, mostly from 1 featured article on DeLancey W. Gill, 11 good articles, 18 did you know nominations, and dozens of reviews;
 * with 673 points, mostly from 2 featured articles on Worlds (Porter Robinson album) and I'm God, 5 good articles, and 2 did you know nominations;
 * with 557 points, mostly from 1 featured article on KNXV-TV, 5 good articles, and 8 did you know nominations; and
 * with 415 points, mostly from 1 featured article on Great cuckoo-dove, with a high number of bonus points from that article.

The full scores for round 3 can be seen here. So far this year, competitors have gotten 28 featured articles, 38 featured lists, 240 good articles, 92 in the news credits, and at least 285 did you know credits. They have conducted 279 featured article reviews, as well as 492 good article reviews and peer reviews, and have added 22 articles to featured topics and good topics.

Remember that any content promoted after 28 June but before the start of Round 4 can be claimed during Round 4, which starts on 1 July at 00:00 (UTC). Invitations for collaborative writing efforts or any other discussion of potentially interesting work is always welcome on the WikiCup talk page. Remember, if two or more WikiCup competitors have done significant work on an article, all can claim points. If you are concerned that your nomination—whether for a good article, featured content, or anything else—will not receive the necessary reviews, please list it on WikiCup/Reviews Needed.

If you would like to learn more about rules and scoring for the 2024 WikiCup, please see this page. Further questions are welcome on Wikipedia talk:WikiCup and the judges (,, and ) are reachable on their talk pages. Good luck! If you wish to start or stop receiving this newsletter, please feel free to add or remove your name from WikiCup/Newsletter/Send. MediaWiki message delivery (talk) 21:29, 29 June 2024 (UTC)