User talk:Cactusmama777

May 2022
Hello. Your recent edit to List of youth orchestras in the United States appears to have added the name of a non-notable entity to a list that normally includes only notable entries. In general, a person, organization or product added to a list should have a pre-existing article before being added to most lists. If you wish to create such an article, please first confirm that the subject qualifies for a separate, stand-alone article according to Wikipedia's notability guideline. Thank you. Meters (talk) 00:46, 27 May 2022 (UTC)


 * Hello, thank you for your message. Before adding an existing page, I quickly added the name and the link in the list of youth orchestra in the United States.  The orchestra I added has a long history and is a well known youth orchestra. It is somehow missing.  I am going to talk with the director about this to create a separate page before adding a page. Right now it only has a link to their website, but its own wiki page will be added. Thank you! Cactusmama777 (talk) 00:50, 27 May 2022 (UTC)
 * Please read WP:COI Meters (talk) 01:10, 27 May 2022 (UTC)
 * Hi,
 * Thank you very much for pointing that out. May I have a question? or am I allowed to ask a question here?
 * Sorry I am totally new.
 * I think my case is in grey area.
 * - I am not a member of the orchestra I simply wanted to add to the "List of youth orchestras in the United states.
 * - I have a family member who is a member of the orchestra players.
 * - I am not payed by them nor asked by them. There was a missing orchestra name in the list, which should be added.
 * - There is no "judgement" or "business" involved. Simply just wanted to add the name, which is a "fact".
 * In this case, do I have COI?
 * There are clear cases about COI, but I am not sure if this case is.
 * If there is COI, I guess I can only add the name of the orchestra after my family member is no longer with the orchestra?
 * Thanks a lot! Sorry about these questions. Cactusmama777 (talk) 03:15, 27 May 2022 (UTC)
 * Questions are fine.
 * COI does not require that someone be an employee or be renumerated in any way. Simply adding a link to the orchestra's article to a list would not be a COI problem, it's the writing of that article itself that is a problem. Since you have a family member in the orchestra and know the conductor you do have a conflict of interest in writing about it. It's not clear whether you intend to write the article, if you were going to suggest to the conductor that he or she write the article (or arrange to have the article written). It really does not matter. There is a conflict of interest whether you write it, the conductor writes it, either of you pay to have it written, or either of you ask someone to write it. Normally articles should be written by editors who have no connection to the topic.
 * I have not checked, but I have no reason to think that the orchestra does not exist. Having said that, simply existence does not mean that it warrants an article. The article must contain sufficient independent reliable sources to show the orchestra is notable. See WP:N and the various sub-pages linked there. Meters (talk) 06:14, 27 May 2022 (UTC)
 * Thank you for your reply.
 * I can suggest the editor of the page to add two major youth orchestras in Arizona.
 * There is currently only one listed that is not the major ones.
 * I simply would like both youth orchestras in Phoenix and Tucson to be added.
 * What would you suggest to be the best solution?
 * Thanks! Cactusmama777 (talk) 06:36, 27 May 2022 (UTC)
 * If they already have English Wikipedia articles then just add them. If not, see WP:WTAF Meters (talk) 06:39, 27 May 2022 (UTC)
 * Thanks for your prompt reply. I will practice and see what I can do. Nobody asked me to do this. So I can take time. Thanks also about COI. I can disclose COI as suggested. Thanks! Cactusmama777 (talk) 06:50, 27 May 2022 (UTC)