User talk:Caesadamo

Template:Star Trek abbreviations
Hi. In regards to your edits on Template:Star Trek abbreviations, please allow me to clarify. "STD" has been rejected by both the fandom and the studio as an official abbreviation for the series Star Trek: Discovery: the studio officially abbreviates it as "DSC" while the fandom variously uses "DSC" or "DIS". The abbreviation "DSC" had been longstanding on this template and on other Star Trek-related Wikipedia articles. I am bringing this to your attention so that any misunderstandings can be discussed and resolved, in hopes of avoiding a possible WP:EDITWAR. If you need help understanding some of the policies on Wikipedia as a new editor, WP:TEA is a great place to start. – Nick Mitchell 98 talk 10:51, 19 April 2018 (UTC)
 * Hi. Regarding your most recent reversion, the statement that "STD is a well-accepted initialism" does not appear very strong:
 * The source you provided itself states that it is a term of disgust that "was quickly adopted by people disliking the design of the U.S.S. Discovery", not to mention the fact that the sourse could potentially have disputed WP:RELIABILITY.


 * The website TrekMovie cites the abbreviation as "DSC", in-line with studio usage.
 * I would direct you to the article List of Star Trek characters and its derivative articles for existing long-standing usage of the "DSC" abbreviation
 * In terms of on-screen canon, the ship's shuttle craft are registered with the DSC acronym (i.e. "DSC 01").
 * I hope that this misunderstanding can be resolved peacefully. – Nick Mitchell 98 talk 02:13, 20 April 2018 (UTC)
 * Note: I will hold off reverting your edit until the matter has been resolved, in order to try and prevent an WP:EDITWAR with your consistent reversions. – Nick Mitchell 98 talk 02:30, 20 April 2018 (UTC)


 * Response: This claim that the fandom variously uses "DSC" or "DIS", and not "STD", is dubious. It is extremely easy to locate examples of the fandom using STD as the initialism, en masse. Regarding the studio: I've found a single studio rep mentioning that they prefer DSC, but much of the original documentation used STD. The pieces of evidence you've listed are no more strong than any other fan-based claim. The ship registries on shuttlecraft have not been used in the past to determine the series abbreviations. TrekMovie has no more standing than any other unofficial source. I have updated the character page accordingly. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Caesadamo (talk • contribs) 03:03, 20 April 2018 (UTC)


 * Could you please provide evidence of these studio sources that you cite using "STD"? I would argue that the source you provided in your edit to the template is also a "fan-based claim" due to its description as a term of rejection against the series. I have also reverted your edits to the character page until this issue is fully resolved, I ask you to please refrain from changing this as it's customary to halt disputed edits until the discussion is fully resolved. Thank you. – Nick Mitchell 98 talk 03:49, 20 April 2018 (UTC)


 * No additional evidence should be necessary since there is no superior evidence supporting the DSC initialism. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Caesadamo (talk • contribs) 04:37, 20 April 2018 (UTC)


 * There is arguably no superior evidence in favour of the "STD" either. I have provided a select few sources, can you please provide your own to support your claims, primarily these "extremely easy to locate examples of the fandom using STD as the initialism" and "much of the original [studio] documentation used STD"? – Nick Mitchell 98 talk 05:02, 20 April 2018 (UTC)