User talk:California12/Archive

Hey
Hi there seen some edits, are you new? Mike 08:13, 9 January 2006 (UTC)

More like in and out - as time permits.California 12 12:43, 9 January 2006 (UTC)

Ahh ok. (Next Time you may wanna leave responses on the other users userpage lucky I was watching this page) :) Mike 06:37, 10 January 2006 (UTC)

Re: Christian entertainers
See my response to you at WP:DRV. If the list is committed to being one that contains entertainers notable in some way for their Christianity (and not just a list of entertainers who happen to be Christian) there will probably be no problem with it being undeleted and kept in the encyclopedia. Let me know if you need further help with this issue, and welcome to Wikipedia. (talk) 08:24, 9 January 2006 (UTC)

No I was actually talking about a list of entertainers who happen to be Christian.I don't understand this at all.There is a list of atheists.And it has names such as Margo Kidder of people that are not known primarily as atheists.No one is deleting or complaining about that list.If one list exists, why not the other ? Does this seem fair?User:California 12 [[User:California 12


 * Ah, I see. Well, I don't think you are likely to succeed in bringing back a list similar to the deleted one, but if you bring up your concerns with List of atheists at Talk:List of atheists you could see about making a similar condition for that list as for List of Christians. Best of luck, and let me know how it goes. Christopher Parham (talk) 08:43, 9 January 2006 (UTC)


 * List of Atheists is supposed to be Atheists who are primarily, not incidentally, atheist, as in atheist activist. Or it was when I was last there. I'm glad you mentioned that, I'm going to the article's talk page to try to find out why Kidder is on the list. KillerChihuahua?!? 00:37, 10 January 2006 (UTC)

I just went over there and can no longer find her name.I did not realize it was not on there any longer and am not certain when it was removed.My apologies for assuming it was still there with out having the good sense to confirm it.User:California 12 [[User:California 12


 * No need to apologize - with an encyclopedia anyone can edit things can change fairly rapidly. There is a discussion on the talk page currently about making criteria for inclusion in the list more specific and clear, and I've re-added the article to my watch list. It seems there have been several entries like that lately. KillerChihuahua?!? 02:22, 10 January 2006 (UTC)

Croaking along
On Jason Gastrich's page you commented that you are " shocked at how anti-Christian bias is rearing it's ugly head at wikipedia." You cited the example of the sentence "Croaking along in it's own righteousness?" that was added by user 192.35.35.34. If this was done in malice there is no excuse, however, it is a fact of life that vandalism is common in wikipedia. I would suggest that you fight the vandalism and do not take offense with these small minded people. That is exactly what they want.

Having said that I would also ask you to note whom is actually making such edits. The editor who made the above edit seems to be doing so in good faith. Believe it or not! If you look at the anon users recent edits you will see that this user has made some very constructive contributions to articles with Christian themes such as the pages on Lutheranism, Liturgy and Lutheran_Church_-_Missouri_Synod

I have no idea why this user thinks that Christianity is 'croaking along' but this is not as simple as someone spreading prejudice. Maybe you should approach this user and find out why they made such a strange edit? David D. (Talk) 21:06, 17 January 2006 (UTC)


 * Per your suggestion I have requested that he explain, however after reading his page I'm not the only one concerned about his edits - take a look http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:192.35.35.34 California12


 * My guess is that those date back to a time when the IP was allocated to a different user. Edits from the last week have all been on a Christian theme whereas the edits from the time of the vandalism were on diferent topics.  This is the problem with anon IP's its hard to know with whom you are communicating.  I'm sure no one will question you if you edit out the croaking sentence.  Be Bold. David D. (Talk) 22:24, 17 January 2006 (UTC)

I've already deleted.California1218 January 2006 (UTC)

Your signature needs to be edited
Have you noticed that your signature is incorrect? At present you have a space between the last letter of california and the number 12. In fact, your user name does not have a space. David D. (Talk) 22:15, 17 January 2006 (UTC)


 * I didn't realize I was doing that.Thank you for pointing it out I'll try to be more careful. California12


 * First your name seems to be fixed now. Were you signing by hand before rather than using the four tildes? The reason you need to have your name exactly right is so people leave messages in the correct place.  You'll notice that the a message has already mistakenly been left at the page User talk:California 12.


 * You can edit your name in the preferences option, see top right. If you put the following into the nickname section  California 12 (Talk) you will get a signature as followed California 12 (Talk) when you sign with the four tildes ~ . In this way you can still have the space between CA and the number 12 without changing you name. You may want to consider creating another user ID 'California 12' and redirecting that page to your user page here to stop people impersonating you. You would do that by pasting the following text #redirect User:California12 into the user page of User:California 12 as well as #redirect User talk:California12 into the page User talk:California 12. A third option would be to have the User:California 12 user as your primary user name.  In that case I think you can move your editing history to the new user name.  Sorry if this is confusing or not helpful.  David D. (Talk) 22:47, 17 January 2006 (UTC)

Actually I would rather keep California12 as the other was just an accident.California12.
 * I just redirect the mistaken talk page to your talk page here in case someone makes the same mistake again. I have pasted the contents from that talk page at the bootom of this page. David D. (Talk) 10:23, 18 January 2006 (UTC)

Anti-Christian nominations for deletion
A user named A.J.A. just nominated 10 Christian biographies for deletion. I've reported it as vandalism, but I'm not sure if someone will take action. Here is the contribution history. If you have the time to vote on those entries, please do. God bless, --Jason Gastrich 06:17, 18 January 2006 (UTC)

Will check it out.I would think this is obvious vandalism.I have already voted on Grant Jeffrey as I instantly recognized the name. It was after 1:00 AM when I saw this and I may not get to all 10 tonight, but I will visit them tomorrow.Does wiki have any guidelines on stalking? If not they need to consider it.This is why Christians at wiki need to speak together on a forum.So patterns like this can be spotted. California12 18 January 2006

Kiel entry and those hostile to Christianity
Thanks for letting me know about the category issue on the Kiel entry. It was my pleasure to help.

It is sad to see people hostile to Christianity; especially on Wikipedia. There are a couple of people (especially one named WarriorScribe) who troll me and try and revert my contributions to Christian entries. It's really sad.

Here is one instance. I created an entry for a graduate from my university because he's an author, pastor, and professor at Tyndale Theological Seminary. Well, the guy I mentioned above has nominated the article for deletion. You can help voice your opinion at James McGowan (click "this article's entry" on the top of the page to let your voice be heard).

If you ever need me, please let me know. I'd be happy to contribute with you. By the way, I launched an organization to make sure Christians are represented fairly and have a voice on Wikipedia. It is gaining momentum, so praise he Lord.

God bless, Jason Gastrich 21:05, 17 January 2006 (UTC)

Removed you from Sockpuppet check list
I am confident that you are not a sock puppet and I have removed your from the suspect list. Sorry that you got caught up in thisdispute through no fault of your own. David D. (Talk) 03:07, 18 February 2006 (UTC)
 * Yup, sorry about that. Gastrich is a master of giving half the story, I think, and it's a shame that good-faith editors get sucked in.  There are so many sock puppets and meatpuppets in evidence that paranoia rates are well above normal Wikipedia levels. Just zis Guy, you know? [T]/[C] [[Image:Flag of the United Kingdom.svg|25px|  ]] 14:16, 18 February 2006 (UTC)
 * Note that Checkuser also clears you, not that we were in any doubt by now. Guy 16:06, 20 February 2006 (UTC)