User talk:CaliforniaAliBaba/Archive20101130

Yousef Alikhani Afd
I voted "delete", but then I read your note, looked at your user page, noted you had a "Complaints about Wikipedia" essay, read it, and saw this:
 * "No English sources" or "Not notable in English, only sources are in Japanese/Spanish/etc" are not acceptable reasons for deletion.

I've been ambivalent about this for a long time. If you look at my AfD note, you'll see I tried to find reasonable sources in English, but not in Farsi because ... well, I just don't know what I'm doing in Farsi. And my default assumption about English Wikipedia is: not notable in English -- no need for the article.

A few months ago, however, I installed Google Translate Toolbar, and it's really opening the world up to me. Until just now, it never occurred to me that I might track down any AfD discussion on deleting the BLP for Alikhani in Farsi, but I did it and it only took minutes. (The result was keep, but there was significant controversy.)

I think it's worth some formal policy effort (if there hasn't been some already) to determine when a topic that's vanishingly notable in one language is nevertheless notable enough in another to be included. I just don't know what that policy would look like, how you'd set the bar. Anyway, thanks for the AfD comment, and I'll certainly consider changing my vote because of it, and because of where it took me: here. :-) Yakushima (talk) 14:55, 6 July 2010 (UTC)


 * Replied. cab (talk) 00:47, 7 July 2010 (UTC)

Articles for deletion/Dr. Kenneth K. Kim
I noticed on your userpage that you have the template "ko-1". Would you take a look at the Korean-language sources provided at Articles for deletion/Dr. Kenneth K. Kim and see if they are neutral reliable sources? Thanks, Cunard (talk) 04:30, 8 July 2010 (UTC)


 * Comment: Hi, I am the creator of Dr. Kenneth K. Kim's article/page, and am very embarrassed to also say that it is my very first article and it has been an epic failure at this point. No, I am not affiliated with the Doctor in the sense that I have never met him, I am not him, and I am not paid by him, but my mom works for a korean newspaper and they recently did an article on him which is how i found out about him and apparently this is enough to fall under the "conflict of interest" category for his page.


 * Anyways, I added another article, which was the Yahoo! News one, that I would also greatly appreciate if you could provide some support/validity to the statements made in the claims. the link is here: http://kr.news.yahoo.com/service/news/shellview.htm?linkid=15&articleid=20090617030000497i9&newssetid=87


 * There was another article, which was from The Korea Daily, and it is not online although I do have a scanned/digital copy of it. I am not sure how to get that one checked but if you could let me know how I could. I would greatly appreciate it. Thank you!People bios (talk) 04:58, 8 July 2010 (UTC)


 * Commented at AfD and replied. cab (talk) 06:21, 8 July 2010 (UTC)


 * I just read your user page and realized you were in it for the same cause ^__^ I align myself along similar views, especially because I always grew up feeling like I had an identity crises because of things like this. I think it's sad that so many people don't realize how many things get skewed because they lose their meaning during translation. I am also really amazed at how many articles you wrote! I am going to try and write more once this whole fiasco clears up. I am not trying to botch history and make it skewed, but I think sometimes people don't realize how difficult it is to make it in history when the odds are against you due to reasons XYZ.People bios (talk) 19:12, 8 July 2010 (UTC)


 * Thank you for the in-depth analysis of the sources. You have been very helpful. Cunard (talk) 07:10, 9 July 2010 (UTC)

Articles for deletion/Vardough
Hey there, thanks for commenting. I have closed the discussion as withdrawn. I have moved the article, but as I am unfamiliar with Persian feel free to tidy it up if anything needs doing.  Jujutacular  T · C 02:41, 12 July 2010 (UTC)

I'm not disruptive
Hi, I removed unsourced POVs claims from Afghans in Pakistan and you reverted by faithful edits. Cane you please explain where is the source to back up this claim "However prior to this stage hundreds of thousands of refugees had already obtained Pakistani national identity. Scores of Afghanis who acquired Pakistani identity are settled in a number of countries."? The sources attached does not mention anything of such, it only says 2.4 million Afghans were registered.

I removed the part explaining to which provinces of Afghanistan they returned because that's irrelevant to Afghans in Pakistan. This article should only focus on Afghans that ARE in Pakistan.

About NWFP, I wrote that Khyber Pakhtunkhwa was formerly NWFP. Please review my edits very carefully before you start reverting like an angry kid.--119.73.6.164 (talk) 05:20, 22 July 2010 (UTC)

I understand your point but I'm from this region and I know more. It's hard to trace those who have gone back to Afghanistan because people there move around so much, if we put that unnessary information it's like we are trying to be very sure where they are living now. Afghanistan does not even have a computerized system to register their citizens.--119.73.6.164 (talk) 05:42, 22 July 2010 (UTC)

No, I'm not a vandal, a POV pusher or going around attacking people of other groups. I go around clear the missinformations placed by people who do those things. With this I want everyone to know exactly how many Afghans live in Karachi based on official government sources, because Pakistani nationalists always claim that millions of Afghans live in Karachi but that's way off. Pakistan has a very tough system when it comes to illegals, every person must show ID on daily bases to police when they are pulled over at check posts. And making Pakistani computerized ID is exttremely difficult because the birth records of father and grandfathers are required. All this info is placed in central computers at NADRA office, along with finger print and facial photo. So, there are no 100s of thousands of Afghans walking around with fake IDs in Pakistan as what some Pakistani editor tried to put in the article. There may be, however, a small number of people who made this. Pakistan's law punishes a person who makes a fake ID wit 5 years in jail so that's another reason why Afghans don't do such criminal act.--119.73.6.164 (talk) 06:05, 22 July 2010 (UTC)
 * Please stop removing sourced edits. -- Saki talk 08:09, 22 July 2010 (UTC)
 * I was not asking you cab, I'm talking to IP, who keep on vandalising article. -- Saki talk 08:32, 22 July 2010 (UTC)
 * By any chance you (User:Saki) and User:CaliforniaAliBaba are not the same person?--119.73.6.164 (talk) 08:29, 22 July 2010 (UTC)

FYI: "Perzische gemeenschap" is ALSO a common term
Dear Friend, Thanks for your message but it seems you have not followed the matter carefully because: 1- I did not change "Iran" to "Persia". 2- I just mntioned that "Perzische gemeenschap" is ALSO a commen term in Dutch (both media and books). Google News is temporary. You may check it here. You can easily see that it has been used in Volkskrant, Throuw, Persian Dutch Network,... and also in various other websites and books in Dutch. Thanks for your attention. --Pejman (talk) 01:02, 23 July 2010 (UTC)--Pejman (talk) 01:02, 23 July 2010 (UTC)

Asian Mexican
Regarding Asian Mexicans, how come different peoples like Chinese, Indians, etc. are all classified as Asian by USA? Same thing with other countries. If there's pages for Afro-Mexican, white Mexican (Euro and Arab), mestizo (mixed) Mexican, and Amerindian Mexican, then why not Asian (Oriental) Mexican? I only added India people to "Asian" because many gov'ts do so and I hate to call Orientals "Asian", but since all pages here about "Asians" refer to Orientals and sometimes Indians (only USA people call them Asians, and only Brits call people from Indian subcontinent "Asian"), I decided to call that page "Asian Mexican", HOWEVER, i was too LAZY to post any sources since it took me a long time to make the article (I did copy sourced info from other articles here on wiki).--Fernirm (talk) 20:35, 29 June 2010 (UTC)

Speedy deletion nomination of Asian Mexican
A tag has been placed on Asian Mexican, requesting that it be speedily deleted from Wikipedia. This has been done for the following reason:

Full of provocative statements - in fact not one source is provide for the entire article - Original creator even admits - I don't know if they're true, I just copied info from OTHER WIKI articles

Under the criteria for speedy deletion, articles that do not meet basic Wikipedia criteria may be deleted at any time.

If you think that this notice was placed here in error, you may contest the deletion by adding  to the top of the page that has been nominated for deletion (just below the existing speedy deletion or "db" tag - if no such tag exists then the page is no longer a speedy delete candidate and adding a hangon tag is unnecessary), coupled with adding a note on the talk page explaining your position, but be aware that once tagged for speedy deletion, if the page meets the criterion, it may be deleted without delay. Please do not remove the speedy deletion tag yourself, but don't hesitate to add information to the page that would render it more in conformance with Wikipedia's policies and guidelines. Lastly, please note that if the page does get deleted, you can contact one of these admins to request that they userfy the page or have a copy emailed to you. Moxy (talk) 08:56, 25 July 2010 (UTC)


 * Replied. Hopefully this nonsensical article will be deleted soon. cab (talk) 08:19, 27 July 2010 (UTC)

Stop plz!
Dear user, once again I have to ask you to stop giving baseless comments and insulting! I am not a politician and have no political agenda. In The Netherlands there various Persian political groups with different ideas and there are pictures from various events in the page as well. Please be a little respectful. Otherwise I will report your acts to the senior editors of Wikipedia --Pejman (talk) 19:22, 29 July 2010 (UTC)--Pejman (talk) 19:22, 29 July 2010 (UTC)

Lu-Yu
If you do a search deleting wiki, myblog and the offical blog, you will find info in Chinese, if you look at my blog or any of my writings they are for the promotion of tea culture education not the "selling of tea" and the institute has classes, cert. and found in lonely planet as a source for education, search "陸羽茶藝中心" -wikipedia -teaarts -luyutea1980, i do many writings on tea cultur in english, an example is Tenfu Tea College. icetea (talk) 17:51, 30 July 2010 (UTC)

Articles for deletion/Asian Mexican
Moxy (talk) 17:51, 1 August 2010 (UTC)

Merge discussion for Latin Americans in the United Kingdom
An article that you have been involved in editing, Latin Americans in the United Kingdom, has been proposed for a merge with another article. If you are interested in the merge discussion, please participate by going, and adding your comments on the discussion page. Thank you. Cordless Larry (talk) 14:44, 2 August 2010 (UTC) Cordless Larry (talk) 14:44, 2 August 2010 (UTC)

Somalis in the United Kingdom
Hi. I'm just contacting people who have recently shown an interest in editing the Somalis in the United Kingdom article. There is a discussion going on on the NPOV noticeboard that you might want to contribute to. It relates to these discussions on the article's talk page. Cordless Larry (talk) 07:19, 6 August 2010 (UTC)

Redirects for discussion/Log/2010 August 2
Hi, thank you for a great contribution. If you consider High Korean to be suitable for a disamb page, might I invite you to just boldly convert it? This would be uncontroversial so there is no need to wait for deletion before creating it. If you have a few minutes to spare, perhaps you might like to take a look at this page? As you will see, there is a long list of other, possibly fictitious, Korean language redirects. Any others that are fictitious or misleading could be added to the nomination. Bridgeplayer (talk) 17:18, 6 August 2010 (UTC)

Your complaint at ANI about Shantosh5000
Hello CaliforniaAliBaba. Your argument at WP:ANI would be more persuasive if you could amplify it with some diffs for recent copyright violations by this editor from the last four weeks. Many of the notices on his talk page are old. The only thing we know for sure is that he won't talk. That is a concern, but only if the copyright problems are fully documented. For instance, you could supply diffs, and give the page number for the place that the material was taken from. I tried to check the articles you refer to, Indian Argentine and Indians in Brazil, but they do not exist. EdJohnston (talk) 04:04, 9 August 2010 (UTC)


 * Replied. Non-admins cannot see deleted revisions ... cab (call) 04:17, 31 August 2010 (UTC)

Cape Verdeans in the netherlands
i haven't found it important to point cape verdeans out to rotterdam if seen much in zaandam and nearly 2000 in amsterdam so i tought of it to let them go their own way the only thing edited is the rotterdam things nothing more (Questchest (talk) 07:54, 13 August 2010 (UTC)) wow ill give up i will read all this before editing something else can you help me with french people in the netherlands —Preceding unsigned comment added by Questchest (talk • contribs) 12:53, 13 August 2010 (UTC)

Comprised vs. Comprised of
Hi there, just letting you know that "comprised" and "comprised of" are both grammatically correct; this may be a difference between American and British English because it is perfectly okay to say "comprised of" in America. Just letting you know :) Thanks! MShefa (talk) 16:06, 18 August 2010 (UTC)

Nepalis in Japan
Hello CaliforniaAliBaba, I'm sorry about my post, I assumed that there were about 100,000 Nepalis in Japan because I read this page right here: Non Resident Nepali. Once again, i deeply apologise. DaTraveller, 23 August 2010 —Preceding undated comment added 10:56, 23 August 2010 (UTC).

Chinese jamaican
You came out of nowhere with a link that leads to a chinese jamaican site but states nothing saying there is 20,000. ive visited wikipedia and its been 70,000 for 3 years with a site linking to the joshua project. which you of course moved and replaced. dont move add or fix anything unless you have a link to back it up. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.128.10.177 (talk) 04:41, 30 August 2010 (UTC)


 * Replied cab (call) 05:11, 30 August 2010 (UTC)

Nepalese Canadian
Hello CaliforniaAliBaba, I recently created a new page titled Nepalese Canadian. I am hoping that you could check it out and see whether I made any errors or I have used any copyrighted material as I'm not entirely sure if it is. Also kindly take note that I may be creating pages for Nepalese diaspora in Belgium and Russia if I have the time. Thank You.DaTraveller, 04 September 2010 —Preceding undated comment added 11:59, 4 September 2010 (UTC).


 * Replied. cab (call) 16:14, 4 September 2010 (UTC)

Turks in Ireland
Hi CaliforniaAliBaba! I don't think that the Migration Policy Institute is using the census figure. Do you by any chance have any links to the latest Irish census? Thanks in advance.Deutsch-Türkçe-English (talk) 00:12, 6 September 2010 (UTC)
 * Replied. cab (call) 00:26, 6 September 2010 (UTC)
 * Ok, thank you for your quick reply. Happy editing!Deutsch-Türkçe-English (talk) 00:22, 6 September 2010 (UTC)

Diana Lin
Did you write this: "Non-notable journalist. (...) One of a very large number of articles created about non-notable TVB personnel by groups of accounts with very similar editing habits. See also Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Patrick Fok and Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Diana Lin."? Diana Lin has filled various anchoring, editorial and management positions at ATV and TVB (Hong Kong's only two network channels) for the past 30 years, so I don't know what makes you think that she is 'non-notable'. Maybe you should focus your editing contribution on some other subjects, on which you have a minimum of competence. You might wnat to let Hong Kong-based editors think over the issue. Thanks.

Again, journalists are not a subject of media attention in Hong Kong culture, therefore you might not expect to find much highly-reliable sources about them. Thus, knowing about the journalists who bring information to the people is essential in a democratic society, so I suggest you to lower your standards in terms of reliability of sources. Hong Kong people need to know who those people are. (call) 12:24, 06 September 2010 (UTC)


 * Replied. cab (call) 04:50, 6 September 2010 (UTC)


 * Hi there - Media-representation is NOT what notability means. Notability means significance. Since you did not know that Diana Lin was a significant personality in Hong Kong, I assume that you did not spend enough time in Hong Kong to know whether a personality is significant or not, such as her or Tesa Arcilla. I would not put myself down by saying that I don't who is a significant TV personality in Australia, since I have never been to Australia. I'd rather call this humility: not quite sure that it's a flaw when it comes to judge whether other people's work should be destroyed or not, especially after it has been reworked with new reliable sources added (links to HKU and SCMP). (call) 16:54, 07 September 2010 (UTC)


 * Replied. cab (call) 10:36, 7 September 2010 (UTC)

Chinese people in Pakistan
Hi cab, I've reverted your edits here because I think such information is not covered by mainstream sources. See You_don%27t_need_to_cite_that_the_sky_is_blue however if I'm wrong, please correct me-- Saki talk 00:24, 9 September 2010 (UTC)


 * Well, even if you accept that "You don't need to cite that the sky is blue" (I don't; it's someone's essay, not a policy like Verifiability) --- 99.9% of the Earth's population knows that the sky is blue. But even if the entire population of Pakistan knows where to find Chinese people in Lahore (and I doubt that you all do) --- that means less three percent of the Earth's population knows where to find Chinese people in Lahore. Information not being covered in mainstream sources is not an excuse for it not to be cited --- "non-mainstream" sources are certainly acceptable, but information should be sourced. I can accept that this may take some time to find, since many newspapers of Pakistan are not online and even the ones that are, use images rather than searchable text. So for now I marked it with a citation needed tag. cab (call) 14:11, 12 September 2010 (UTC)
 * I will try to look for sources when got time. -- Saki talk 14:57, 12 September 2010 (UTC)

Deleting references and reposting dead ones
Thank you for your message CaliforniaAliBaba. First of all, congratulations on your earning The Invisible Barnstar.

I disagree with your editing of Mei Shigenobu for the following reasons: 1.	Do you consider a commentary on a dead blog a reliable source? (“Myrtos Magazine” is not an online version of a print publication. It is a Japanese Blog) Blogs are not reliable sources by any standards if they are stating an opinion. So removing such citation is not tampering with a “reliable source”. Furthermore, you say that “it should be recovered from the Internet Archive or other sources”, and it is clear that it is not on the server anymore, so it is unrecoverable (please check all these things before retaining a "citation", labeling them a “dead link”.

2.	Audiovisual works and information about them can be cited. The most reliable source for their citation is either their official website or from an official trailer posted by the creators of that audiovisual work. Even published reviews are considered secondary in this case. These works are publicized by the creators themselves on You Tube. Therefore, such sources are reliable, even if they are retained from You Tube.

3.	Please read the references that you are deleting, they were placed there for a reason. For example, nowhere in Mei Shigenobu's interviews does she personally say that she supports her mother’s “Terrorism”, but she says that she supports her “cause”. These two words have different connotations, i.e. “terrorism” is the act, and “cause” is the belief system behind the act, and she is clearly differentiating between the two. Even in that same sentence that I am correcting; “speaks of her mother's terrorism in sympathetic terms, although regretful of the violence used by the Japanese Red Army in support of the cause” there is a clear contradiction. How can you be sympathetic of “terrorism” and at the same time be regretful of the violence? As you know, personal accounts (interviews) are the best and most reliable sources of a person’s opinion. Secondhand accounts of a person's opinion, i.e. a journalist’s or a writer’s, are often inaccurate and that is what leads to stereotypes and prejudices.

It is great that you have been working on many Wikipedia pages and improving them, but do give the subject matter some justice by reading what they are really about before relying on stereotypes. We all have stereotypes and prejudices that we believe are facts, but when we are faced with a different opinion about the matter that should be a chance for us to open up our minds. Besides, on Wikipedia there should be an effort to neutrality, we should leave the judgment to the person who reads the piece. Puzzle me not (talk) 21:26, 15 September 2010 (UTC)

3 more additions
Hi CaliforniaAliBaba, I just added a few more pages, Indians in China, Indians in French Guiana and Nepalis in Russia. Like before, I'm uncertain whether i'm violating any copyright laws so I might need your help on that. Thanks. DaTraveller, 26 September 2010 —Preceding undated comment added 13:35, 26 September 2010 (UTC).

Madison Nguyen
I need someone to step in and say what's right. Some anonymous guy keeps inserting the characterization "Chinese American", which seems intended to be prejudicial in some way. I've reverted it twice, and now the person has reverted my revert. I can certainly go back and revert it again, invoking the "three reverts" rule, but that's not going to stop this guy, whoever he is. Suggestions? Jokeboy (talk) 23:25, 1 October 2010 (UTC)

For me, the tip-off that this wasn't an innocent edit was when "Chinese American" was used twice in the same sentence as a description of the guy - that's pointless unless it has other significance. His ethnicity was completely irrelevant to the facts at hand, so at that point, it was clear it was meant to be prejudicial (that plus adding "anti-Communist" to Ly Tong's description). I've been trying to play this by the book, because I'm not sure I'm totally objective on this (no vested interest, just a bit of bias), and I'm also only a casual editor who hasn't gotten into this kind of a spat before. So even though I was sure I was right to revert, I didn't want to play fast-and-loose with any of this. Thanks for your comments. Jokeboy (talk) 04:49, 3 October 2010 (UTC)

Indians in Chile
Hi CaliforniaAliBaba, I just created a page a few minutes ago called Indians in Chile. I noticed that the website i got the info from was removed from the page. Please let me know if I'm violating any rules. Thank you. DaTraveller. Comment added 16:27, 18 October 2010


 * Replied. cab (call) 08:50, 18 October 2010 (UTC)

Hello again. I just found out that the exact info came from the Hinduism in South America page and it looks like it came from this source http: //indiandiaspora.nic.in/diasporapdf/chapter19.pdf. Also have you checked out my Indians in China page? I think that's my best work yet. Just saying. DaTraveller. Comment added 17:01, 18 October 2010

Fair use rationale for File:HaneulsaekKohyang.jpg
Thanks for uploading or contributing to File:HaneulsaekKohyang.jpg. I notice the file page specifies that the file is being used under fair use but there is not a suitable explanation or rationale as to why each specific use in Wikipedia constitutes fair use. Please go to the file description page and edit it to include a fair use rationale.

If you have uploaded other fair use media, consider checking that you have specified the fair use rationale on those pages too. You can find a list of 'file' pages you have edited by clicking on the "my contributions" link (it is located at the very top of any Wikipedia page when you are logged in), and then selecting "File" from the dropdown box. Note that any non-free media lacking such an explanation will be deleted one week after they have been tagged, as described on criteria for speedy deletion. If you have any questions please ask them at the Media copyright questions page. Thank you. Sfan00 IMG (talk) 10:15, 22 October 2010 (UTC)

noob
You don't own Wikipedia. Some of us actually wrote this thing. -222.68.185.34 (talk) 15:46, 19 November 2010 (UTC)

Korean American
Hi, thanks for fixing the defaultsort there. This thread may be of interest to you. Regards, Airplaneman   ✈  02:46, 22 November 2010 (UTC)

Illegal immigration in India
Hi,

I have somewhat enhanced the article Illegal immigration in India. Please review and comment on the talk page if the NPOV banner can be removed.

Thanks --Iball (talk) 16:34, 22 November 2010 (UTC)

Removal of a referenced sentence
Hi CaliforniaAliBaba I noticed you removed my sentence which I added to Richard Li. Can you please explain why, as it is valid information about his career and was referenced properly. If you could get back to me ASAP so I can rectify the page. Thanks Selphy10 (talk) 10:24, 26 November 2010 (UTC)

zh:阮文雄
請參考此內容，因為你的Peter Nguyen內容實在太舊了！--114.44.114.194 (talk) 21:59, 27 November 2010 (UTC)


 * 還有和的內容，也請你補充. --114.44.114.194 (talk) 22:05, 27 November 2010 (UTC)

DYK for Vanuatuan passport
Materialscientist (talk) 06:04, 28 November 2010 (UTC)

DYK for Peter Sugiyama
The DYK project (nominate) 18:02, 29 November 2010 (UTC)