User talk:Calliopejen1/Archive 6

well done
Thats a great article!!!! One thing though you forgot to mention one of Cambodia's most famous painters Vann Nath who survived S21. Incidentally I created the Cambodian clothing article. Feel free to expand it. Great! ♦Blofeld of SPECTRE♦      $1,000,000? 19:23, 24 February 2008 (UTC)

AfD nomination of 1970s in literature
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Blofeld
What happened to Blofeld of SPECTRE? Basketball 110  what famous people say  03:58, 27 February 2008 (UTC)

EDIT WAR
User Opinoso don´t respond to my messages about stop deleting a sourced and researched image I provided for the article Rio de Janeiro. He just stated on the history page that the picture is not aestethically good to the article, and "anyway, old flags are not important". He is in an edit war with me, he just erases the picture, showing a biased judgement. And, worst, he deleted my messages asking for him to stop deleting the image I provided. Emerson —Preceding unsigned comment added by Domaleixo (talk • contribs) 17:52, 27 February 2008 (UTC)

Missing image Image:Snowy Plover.jpg
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Request
Hello Calliopejen1. I have a request. Could you look at this image:. The uploader claims that it is a "PD" of John Melendez, but to me it seems suspicious. It isn't even sourced and the article has been subjected to POV's in the past. I think that it is a good candidate for deletion. If so, I was wondering if you would do the honors since I'm not very good at the deletion process thing. Cheers! Tony the Marine (talk) 01:26, 4 March 2008 (UTC)

Request review
Hi, could you check whether the fair use rationale for this image is complaint with site policy? Image:Tunnels uncovered in Rafah.jpg It's been marked for speedy and contested; I'm mentoring the editor who uploaded it. Help would be appreciated. Durova Charge! 20:30, 4 March 2008 (UTC)

Climate chart
Hi. I noticed your edits to the climate chart template (shrinking the box). It's fine that the box is smaller, but the template is now broken for places with wet winters, because the temperature bars cover the tops of precipitation bars completely. In short, there was a good reason for the columns being so wide. I will revert your edits for now, and you can try shrinking the template without breaking it if you wish. Regards, Zocky | picture popups 16:22, 5 March 2008 (UTC)
 * OK, I just figured out that you did much more than that. Nice work. Can we get the blue columns back to double the width of red columns so the template works correctly? Zocky | picture popups 16:24, 5 March 2008 (UTC)

Martin Amis
Hi Calliopejen1: Do you know how to do a good crop of a photograph? I added a portrait of Martin Amis to the Martin Amis article, but it has a lot of extra stuff around his head. Nice stuff but takes away the focus from his facial features. Could you help me in any way?-Dwindle dwindle (talk) 01:06, 11 March 2008 (UTC)

Image:Tom Pyne.jpg
Greetings, At 06:36, 12 October 2007 you deleted Image:Tom Pyne.jpg with the rational of "replaceable image of a living person: a free image without the mayor's medallion would be perfectly adequate". I have spoken to the Media and Public Relations manager of Cairns City Council and he has agreed to release the image to the Public Domain - Just like he did for Image:Kevin Byrne.jpg. Can you please restore the image so I can change the tag? Fosnez (talk) 15:48, 15 March 2008 (UTC)

USA Vatican City Locator
Can you swap the colours on this picture (Image:USA Vatican City Locator.svg) so the article "Vatican City-United States relations makes sense?--Steven X (talk) 02:04, 24 March 2008 (UTC)

Deprecation notice
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Photo quizz of sort ?
Hey Calliopejen, long time :) I hope you gonna go out of your wikibreak soon because I think you're greatly missed on the Fashion WikiProject. Anyways, I just saw your post on the project's discussion page about those pictures from flickr that you needed to put names on, well I added a few of them. Just wanted to tell you that. Hope to hear from you soon! Thiste (talk) 04:43, 20 April 2008 (UTC)

Copyright problems with Image:Reamkermural.jpg
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POTD notification
Hi Jen,

Just to let you know that the Featured Picture Image:Suikoden.jpg is due to make an appearance as Picture of the Day on May 25, 2008. If you get a chance, you can check and improve the caption at Template:POTD/2008-05-25.  howcheng  {chat} 17:56, 19 May 2008 (UTC)

Image:Reamkermural.jpg listed for deletion
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Alaska Native Language Center
Could I ask you, as an Alaskan and an experienced Wikipedian, to take a look at this diff? It explains itself, but only if somebody actually sees it. 24.36.74.15 (talk) 01:50, 28 June 2008 (UTC)


 * Looking at exactly what you did, especially regarding the image, I'm glad I asked you to take care of it instead of trying to do it myself. Thanks. 24.36.74.15 (talk) 18:32, 28 June 2008 (UTC)

Image:Jeremy_Beadle_drawing.jpg listed for deletion
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Request
Hello my old friend Calliopejen1, I have a request. I would like you to check the images added to List of Puerto Ricans by another editor. Since you seem to be more aware of the policies in regard to images. If you consider that they should not placed there, please do the right thing. Thank you. Tony the Marine (talk) 19:43, 7 July 2008 (UTC)

Orphaned non-free media (Image:THEWAVE.JPG)
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Assistance on Image
As you are an expert on image licencing you may be able to help us out. Some concerns have been raised on the image of on the FAC nomination page of Anekantavada. Can you help to clear some air?--Anish (talk) 05:25, 19 July 2008 (UTC)

Article history
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Mali
Hi, I noticed that you added Mali to the articles that you helped to clean up. However, I haven't seen you really active in cleaning the article up or researching the article for GA. I am wondering why you added the article to your "articles you have accomplished" even if you didn't do any prior work on it. My plan is after getting Burundi GA to work on this article for FA. I don't readily know what your plans are. Can you please enlighten me what your plans are?  miranda  21:49, 27 July 2008 (UTC)
 * Thanks. I did not know that. Sorry.  miranda  22:09, 27 July 2008 (UTC)

WJCU1.jpg
I am not sure I completely understand why you tagged the photo wjcu1.jog for deletion. What exactly is freely licensed media and where it could reasonably be found or created that provides substantially the same information? Also, if the subject agrees to make wjcu1.jpg freely licenced, is there a way I should tag it as such, to avoid deletion? Radioinfoguy (talk) 23:00, 27 July 2008 (UTC)

Thank you very much for the quick reply. The photographer is the one that gave me the photo and I just spoke to him and have his permission to use it. Is there a tag I should use, to identify that I have the photographer's permission? Radioinfoguy (talk) 23:25, 27 July 2008 (UTC)

Lemna image
What is unclear about, "I, the copyright holder of this work, hereby release it into the public domain."? Please refrain from challenging my veracity. --Zeamays (talk) 17:57, 28 July 2008 (UTC)

Deletion of image: Ahad's Sphere - why???
You say it was a copyright violation, when that image has been floating around in the public domain for yonks. Who owns the copyright? Uranometria (talk) 19:10, 28 July 2008 (UTC)


 * Fyi, Ahad is the subject of an ongoing notability debate and by you deleting these pics you are muddying the waters somewhat? Uranometria (talk) 20:55, 29 July 2008 (UTC)

MJ pictures
Hi there, I was reading your user page and I noticed that you like to find free pictures. You are an angle with wings. As I'm sure you have seen from the Michael Jackson article, picture wise it's very boring, but it's all we have (I have checked commons). The article's pictures are not balanced. For example, we have no pictures of Jackson before the 1980's. We have 3 pictures of Jackson in the 1980's, 1 in the 1990's (which is actually just a fair use music video pic) and 1 from the 2000's. Another consideration, we have no picture of Jackson performing live (that's really important). Another thing we could do with is more pictures that clearly show Jackson's vitiligo, although these are rare Gems to get hold of. Would this be something you could help with? I particularity feel that Jackson's 90's and live image is seriously sub standard. — Realist 2  ( Speak ) 21:14, 28 July 2008 (UTC)
 * Thank you for the detailed reply. From the freely licensed pictures these 4 would be helpful (not just solely for the MJ article either):

http://www.flickr.com/photos/26248774@N05/2465488660/

http://www.flickr.com/photos/ruudvanleeuwen/293895353/

http://www.flickr.com/photos/provoost/214007159/

http://www.flickr.com/photos/click-see/25803643/

As for searching through the 18,000 pictures, I did do an in depth look a while back but because I have no understanding of picture policy I never really knew what I was looking for. Unless there was a big flag screaming "I'M FREE, I'M FREE, TAKE ME, TAKE ME" I just ignored them. So those 4 pictures would be wonderful, after that it's a case of giving those 1000's of pictures a looking through, most of those have NOTHING to do with him lol. — Realist 2  ( Speak ) 22:48, 28 July 2008 (UTC)
 * Hmm, I have no idea, there were many of those statues made all over Europe, in promotion of the album. Some were permanent installations, others were up for the promotion period of the record and some where floated down famous rivers. Obviously I would favor the picture without the McDonalds sign, its a nicer closer up with better coloring. — Realist 2  ( Speak ) 01:06, 29 July 2008 (UTC)
 * Infact that statue has really good lighting, you should nominate it as a featured picture, it's a beautiful piece IMHO.— Realist 2  ( Speak ) 01:48, 29 July 2008 (UTC)
 * Hi, I haven't heard from you regarding the statue picture, is everything OK? — Realist 2  ( Speak ) 21:50, 31 July 2008 (UTC)
 * Thank you for that! I'm still considering that birthday picture, although I don't think we need it. We have an excellent picture of Jackson at the age of 49 so I don't think him at 45 is necessary. Is it me or is Mr.Jackson looking a lot better these days? A few years ago he looked really odd, now, not so much. Hmm. — Realist 2  ( Speak ) 15:51, 2 August 2008 (UTC)

Hello
Hello Jen, so you go to Harvard, very impressive. You really must be close to perfect in real life, you should be proud of yourself, in the future to be a Harvard graduate, wow! And to be doing law, geez that is something. A bit too much for me :P In all seriousness, can you take a look at this article which was created yesterday (my time zone) and see if it belongs in the pedia? I really do think it can be speedied, whats your opinion? I just cant think of the right criteria. Thanks, all the best with your studies. Monster Under Your Bed  (talk) 01:20, 29 July 2008 (UTC)

Human trafficking in Suriname
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Niger and Economy of Niger
Please be careful when making such large edits. Economy of Niger now has a huge amount of duplication which must be corrected. Also, is there any reason Niger should contain no content about the economy other than an internal link? There may well be some Wikipedia directive that I have not seen on this, and I would appriciate your guidance on this. But the logical end of such moves is that national articles (such as Niger) would contain no content apart from internal links to the topics covered elsewhere. I'm not trying to be difficult here, but please do note that this huge and seemingly indisriminate edit creates much work for those of us who are trying to maintain this article. Thanks, T L Miles (talk) 13:40, 29 July 2008 (UTC)
 * I've reverted these, not because I think there's anything wrong with your intentions, but just that you left them half finished. Niger (as you note in the edit summary) needed some summary of the economy if you remove all that content, but you did not provide it, leaving a blank.  Economy of Niger was left with about %50 duplication of content dumped in the middle of it (including duplicate images and a duplicate lead).  I'd happily support your intentions in moving/summarising things, but I (and clearly others) don't have the time or volition to finish this for you.  Please give it another shot when you have time to clean up your edits.  No offence intended.  T L Miles (talk) 14:01, 30 July 2008 (UTC)

Human Trafficking articles
You are to be creating articles like Human trafficking in Togo and Human trafficking in Thailand for every country in the world, and all of them seem to be copy & paste jobs from This website. While the text does appear to be free to use, you should consider whether a large number of essentially identical articles are appropriate for Wikipedia. I, for one, do not think so. Wikipedia is not a dumping ground for material copied and pasted from other websites, fair use or not. Reyk YO!  02:02, 30 July 2008 (UTC)
 * I've explained my opinion a bit more thoroughly at Articles_for_deletion/Human_trafficking_in_Serbia. I admire all your hard work, though I think the text dumps are a bit misguided, so I hope I haven't come across as too harsh. Regards, Reyk  YO!  02:26, 30 July 2008 (UTC)

Houphouet-Boigny
I appreciate the scrutiny you have been giving to my images. Had you not looked carefully, I would have had four copyright violation uploads. Thanks for the catch. I'm learning new things every day! Nishkid64 (Make articles, not wikidrama) 03:32, 4 August 2008 (UTC)
 * I hadn't looked properly at the image pages. I thought they were all New York World & Sun images, which are in fact in the public domain. It appears that they were actually UPI photos. Nishkid64 (Make articles, not wikidrama) 03:36, 4 August 2008 (UTC)

Image JCPembrey3.jpg
You have marked this image for deletion, and told me that it does not say who created the content, but I am not clear what to do. I have marked it as released into the public domain by me, which seems good enough on other images. I did in fact do so on the express request of a descendant of the man, Tim Pembrey who gave express permission and gave me the file. Please take a look at this on the talk page of the image. I have looked into this matter of copyright before, and I am afraid I cannot find definitive answers that make sense in relation to old images like this. Strictly the owner of copyright is the photographer, or his descendants by inheritance, but often, as in this case, they are not known. Ownership of the photograph is strictly not enought, is it? The trouble is, there is no proper way to deal with this problem as far as I can see, and the only images I know how to validate truly are ones taken by me. looking at other images on Wikipedia I find all sorts of dubious explanations not being challenged such as 'no objection known'. Take a look for example at Derby_School-1920, where I see one template saying 'copyright expired - life of author plus 100yrs'. I hardly think the man who took a photo dated 1920 has been dead 100 years, and in any case this was taken in the UK so US law is irrelevant. A second template on the same image says 'Public domain in the US as published prior to 1 Jan 1928) - again totally irrelevant as neither the image, nor it's creator has probably ever set foot in the US! That latter image also carries no name of a 'real' person whatsoever. How can copyright declarations be valid without such a real name and contact address? I am not suggesting that you take down that image by the way! I could give many more examples of how it seems to me that copyright reasons are 'fudged' over and over again in Wikipedia because no one knows what to do (I've tried asking at the appropriate pages and still got nowhere). Your help and comments would be appreciated.  --Memestream (talk) 21:28, 4 August 2008 (UTC)

Peer review/Britney Spears/archive5
I listed Britney Spears for peer review if you would like to comment on the article. I bookmarked the article you mentioned on the talk page, but I haven't read it yet. I'll probably get to it after I finish with Janet Jackson. The Bookkeeper  (of the Occult)  00:01, 6 August 2008 (UTC)

Kelli Martin
Hi Jen, it is nice to run into another Boston-area law student. I've removed your notability template from the Kelli Martin article because the article currently features citations to five different sources from three different media outlets. There is enough independent coverage for a neutral article without any OR being necessary. I've mentioned this on the article talk page as well. Cheers, DickClarkMises (talk) 15:12, 7 August 2008 (UTC)

deletion of copyrighted material
I noticed that you copied material from elsewhere on the internet into the page "Freedom of religion in Kazakhstan." I have marked the page for deletion, based on copyright violation. Andyohio (talk) 14:29, 8 August 2008 (UTC)

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WP:CHICAGO
According to my records, you have nominated Image:Obama_Portrait_2006_trimmed.jpg, which has been promoted to WP:FP. You are not signed up as an active member of WP:CHICAGO. If you consider yourself either an active or semi-active member of the project please sign up as such at WikiProject Chicago/members. Also, if you are a member, be aware of Meetup/Chicago 3 and be advised that the project is now trying to keep all the project's WP:PR, WP:FAC, WP:FAR, WP:GAR, WP:GAC WP:FLC, WP:FLRC, WP:FTC, WP:FPOC, WP:FPC, and WP:AFD discussion pages in one location at the new WikiProject Chicago/Review page. Please help add any discussion you are aware of at this location.--TonyTheTiger (t/c/bio/WP:CHICAGO/WP:LOTM) 17:09, 11 August 2008 (UTC)

Image:DBird.gif
Hi there, you've tagged Image:DBird.gif for deletion, but I just wanted to ask how I mark it up correctly. It's not a copyright photo and I used it as I just happen to have a copy. Crazy-dancing (talk) 09:04, 13 August 2008 (UTC)

Photos of Egypian cities
Hello; I was away from Wikipedia for a while and only saw that you deleted all my images about Egyptian cities today. These images were created by me, and I spent quite a long time posting them on the appropriate pages. Please make an effort to restore them. Thank you. --Lanternix (talk) 12:31, 13 August 2008 (UTC)

POTD notification
Hi Jen,

Just to let you know that the Featured Picture Image:Elephant seals fighting.jpg is due to make an appearance as Picture of the Day on August 22, 2008. If you get a chance, you can check and improve the caption at Template:POTD/2008-08-22.  howcheng  {chat} 18:25, 17 August 2008 (UTC)

Hello
How are you these days? Did you continue any work on Cambodia? The Bald One     White cat 17:26, 19 August 2008 (UTC) Nice work on those history articles BTW. These days I;m spending a lot of time translating Spanish language articles into english. My latest offering is Supreme Court of Justice of Costa Rica ‎ and I have been adding Category:Spanish politicians starting with A as you can see. Aside from obscure articles like Liechtenstein wine etc, other than this I'm ploughing through the Mexican and El Salvadoran municipalities, working on African national parks and trying to develop the years in film such as Bollywood films of 1977 and Italian films of 1965. I;ve also created a full set of African economy templates like Template:Economy of Ghana. They will all need developing. One of the most important goals at present though is to get the Mexican municipalities onto here or existing ones sorted out and reference to the encyclopedia of Mexcan municipalities in spanish which means every single place in the country should have a full article eventually if the information is translated and put into wiki. Afraid my work on Cambodia and Burma dried up, chiefly because of the problem with finding adequate information to write about the places. A huge amount to do though! Today is my off day editing though I tend to work better working hard one day and then making normal edits in between The Bald One      White cat 19:43, 19 August 2008 (UTC)

Pre-Columbian Ecuador
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Table
Hi, can you tell how to align the table in Effectiveness in the right of the third paragraph?  Otolemur crassicaudatus  (talk) 03:34, 25 August 2008 (UTC)

Image:M_Kingdom.gif
This animation was listed for deletion, by you apparantly. I don't know how to properly deal with this, so I thought I should talk to you. The reason for deletion is listed as it being derivative work from a copyrighted game. Obviously I meant the animation to be related to mario games since I made it for the "this user plays mario games" userbox. The image is completely custom as well. I don't see any good reason to delete it, but I'll leave the decision up to you, since you know more about this subject than I. BeefJeaunt (talk) 22:38, 25 August 2008 (UTC)

Images
Hi yes I saw you felt that way. To be honest I'm surprised that some copywrighted images are permitted and others aren't. If he is implying that we must be paying for these images like others supposedly are, I can kind of see where he is coming from, but selecting a handful of images to prove a point and trolling me isn't the way to go about it. The problem I have just realised is that many images seem to be owned by the Associated Press and other news agencies. All I can suggest is that wikipedia tries to contact a few key agencies and confirm what the status is on their images. If they clearly indicate we should be paying for them and are outraged at us using them, then it will become fully clear in the guidelines that these images are forbidden and can be speedy deleted and therefore I will have a greater faith in the removal of these images. <font style="color:#fef;background:black;">The Bald One     <font size="-4"><font color="Black">White cat 09:37, 27 August 2008 (UTC)

(Thanks)! LOL. I find images and law just too stressful. <font style="color:#fef;background:black;">The Bald One     <font size="-4"><font color="Black">White cat 16:20, 27 August 2008 (UTC)

Images
While I agree with your Fair-Use crackdown (no, you can't use Vanity Fair's image of Tom Cruise...), I think you should try to find a way to focus specifically on living subjects and cases where there are private copyright holders (not governments); it's a little unfair to wake up to see you've nominated for deletion all the Nazi Germany propaganda images of all of the Aces of the Deep or such. Sherurcij (speaker for the dead) 18:52, 27 August 2008 (UTC)

Fantomas.jpg
Hi, I replied at AFD. The reason was that at another wikipedia it was listed as GFDL, so I believed them. Here since there is doubt I can replace it with Fair use. Would that be ok? Thanks. Dr.K. (talk) 22:57, 27 August 2008 (UTC)

Template:notorphan
I noticed you left some comments (maybe automated) that suggested that by tagging an unused nonfreeimage as notorphaned, this might prevent deletion. I'm afraid this may mislead someone. As the notorphan template says, it is only for free images. Nonfree images that aren't used in articles can't meet WP:NFCC, which doesn't use the word orphan at all. &mdash; Carl (CBM · talk) 01:02, 28 August 2008 (UTC)

By the way, I checked, and there are no orphaned nonfree images tagged with notorphan. &mdash; Carl (CBM · talk) 01:20, 28 August 2008 (UTC)

J.R.R. Tolkien
Here's an idea for you -- if you think an article has too many non-free images in it, start a discussion on the article's talk page, don't just slap a tag on it and run away, and certainly don't take it upon yourself to delete the images from the article on your own say-so. I've reverted your deletions. If you want to discuss it, the article's talk page is a good place. Ed Fitzgerald (unfutz)  (talk / cont)  03:09, 28 August 2008 (UTC)
 * I'm not sure why I can't delete them "on my own say-so" - they are pretty much surely violating policy. Anyways, I figured the tag might spur someone to write better rationales, so I could revisit the article later to check out which images to nominate for deletion. Calliopejen1 (talk) 06:43, 28 August 2008 (UTC)

1964 Gabon coup d'état
Do you have any specific concerns with the article? --I'm an Editorofthewiki[citation needed] 18:19, 28 August 2008 (UTC)
 * I adressed all of Ton's concerns. Perhaps we should just remove the technical assistance note, as they just asked for "technical assistance": nothing more, nothing less. I don't understand how you consider the bit about the Peace Corps officer vague. Did you see the link to show election? --I'm an Editorofthewiki[citation needed] 18:40, 28 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Thanks for telling me. I have clarified that bit, and adressed your comment about M'ba's quote. --I'm an Editorofthewiki[citation needed] 18:49, 28 August 2008 (UTC)

Vartan.jpg
I have updated the license tag of the, let me know if that works. Thanks. VartanM (talk) 03:30, 29 August 2008 (UTC)

Museum
Thanks friend. It looks salvageable. I'll ask Travelling Cari to help. Best regards <font style="color:#fef;background:black;">The Bald One      <font size="-4"><font color="Black">White cat 14:49, 29 August 2008 (UTC)

Cute kittens make the world a better place
Thankyou very much for your hard work. --I am not Paranoid (talk) 15:55, 30 August 2008 (UTC)

Thanks
I still think it's stupid that that animation needed to get deleted, but that's copyright laws for ya. Anyways, thanks for your help with the issue, and I have no hard feelings towards you. You were just doing a good, thorough job like usual. (: BeefJeaunt (talk) 02:25, 31 August 2008 (UTC)

Image:Palin with kitty.jpg listed for deletion
An image or media file that you uploaded or altered, Image:Palin with kitty.jpg, has been listed at Images and media for deletion. Please see the to see why this is (you may have to search for the title of the image to find its entry), if you are interested in it not being deleted. Yekrats (talk) 10:46, 31 August 2008 (UTC)

Jackson pictures again
Hi again, on the Michael Jackson article and other articles relating to Michael Jackson we have used the image of him at the White House in 1984. We are allowed to use it as it's public Domain etc etc. I was wondering, Jackson meet other US Presidents (I'm sure again at the white house) as well as at other places. He was with the first President Bush in the late 1980's. He was also with Clinton numerous times in the 90's and early 2000's. He has even performed live at numerous democratic conventions and inaugural's. I'm not sure if you know much about Jackson's history, but I wonder if any of these would qualify as the same free use as the 1984 visit to the white house? — Realist  2  16:58, 31 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Replied at mine. — Realist  2  21:47, 31 August 2008 (UTC)

Removing old photographs
Dear Calliopejen1: Before you remove photographs you need to READ the age of the photograph. That means the year after the small c which means "cerca." Cerca means the year, more or less, the photograph was made. If a photograph is more than 100 years old, it is in public domian, and for that reason you do not need to remove the photograph. Howeer, you removed many photographs that were well over 120 years old, totally in public domain. Chaos4tu (talk) 15:18, 1 September 2008 (UTC)

Old Photos taken by Alfred Shea Addis
Those old photos were given to me by Carl Chafin. Chafin was the authority on old American Western photography. He spent decades of his life collecting photographs, tintypes and such. He cateloged all of his collection, and kept his material in pristine condition. I was lucky enough to meet him through a contact at the Henry Huntingon Library, located in San Marino, California. Chafin knew nothing about the person I was researching, Yda Addis, but he did know a little about the personal life of her father Alfred Shea Addis. He was rather flabergasted that I had an interest in A.S. Addis. We conversed and traded information about our subjects for a long time. He was kind enough to give me the photographs and told me where there were others kept in various musuems. When Chafin died about 10 years ago, his wife threw out his entire collection of photographs, just put them out for the garbage man to pick up. I guess that is what happens when one devotes one's life to a precious collection of photographs instead of one's wife. Chaos4tu (talk) 15:54, 2 September 2008 (UTC)

Tsvangirai image
Thanks for removing that image from the Main Page. I should have spotted that lack of sourcing; I expect better of myself. - Mark 15:31, 12 September 2008 (UTC)

Which policy ?
Your answer on the Liszt article does not fit with the many biographies on Wikipedia like : [], [] Where is this special rule about composers ? --Flying tiger (talk) 20:44, 12 September 2008 (UTC)

Zinfandel
Your improvements to Zinfandel are much appreciated, thanks. And thanks pointing out areas for further improvement by tagging places with "clarify" and "vague". I have improved those parts to remove the tags. Hopefully the article can pass the GA review now. ~Amatulić (talk) 23:30, 12 September 2008 (UTC)

Works of Franz Liszt
Hi. What was wrong with the earlier version? There's a huge article on Liszt's musical works to which that link redirected before. De728631 (talk) 18:26, 14 September 2008 (UTC)
 * Oh, I see. Good point. :) De728631 (talk) 18:33, 14 September 2008 (UTC)

POTD notification
Hi Jen,

Just to let you know that the Featured Picture Image:Snowy Plover srgb.jpg is due to make an appearance as Picture of the Day on September 19, 2008. If you get a chance, you can check and improve the caption at Template:POTD/2008-09-19.  howcheng  {chat} 22:29, 16 September 2008 (UTC)

Talking parrot video on flickr
I can change it to avi but not ogg. There is some discussion about this on my talk page. Snowman (talk) 14:26, 18 September 2008 (UTC)

Homer Simpson
Hi, I noticed that you made some edits to the article and changed the style format that was used for books. I've never seen that style used before, is it part of the MOS? Personally, I prefer the old way because I like having all of the books listed together because it serves as sort of a further reading section as well. -- Scorpion0422 17:47, 21 September 2008 (UTC)
 * I would prefer to change it back for now, because I find it a little confusing. Not having to jump back and forth is good, but the page numbers aren't included in the refs anyway. -- Scorpion0422 18:50, 21 September 2008 (UTC)

Note to self
Follow up with User talk:Bashereyre in a week re: problem images. Calliopejen1 (talk) 12:49, 22 September 2008 (UTC)

Featured picture delisting
See.  howcheng  {chat} 22:58, 24 September 2008 (UTC)

Image:JB_Neon_Sign_Nite_2002.jpg
FYI, based on a little research on the watermark for this image and the uploader's username, I'd be willing to give the uploader the benefit of the doubt on the suspected copyright infringement thing. Crypticfirefly (talk) 02:47, 26 September 2008 (UTC)

Danish copyright law
Hi I was wondering if you could look into seeing what the expiry date is on danish copyright images? <font style="color:#fef;background:black;">The Bald One     <font size="-4"><font color="Black">White cat 22:07, 26 September 2008 (UTC)

Image:JPRESS_1962.gif
I've noticed that you've tagged a number of images for proposed deletion under the assumption that anything published after 1922 is protected by copyright. But that is not always the case for U.S. works. Prior to 1976, copyright protection in the U.S. was not automatic. Failure to follow the requirements meant that a given work would be in the public domain. You say you are a law student, this might be fun for you to research. At any rate, the notice and deposit laws in place in 1962 were sufficiently cumbersome that many companies did not bother with the effort and expense of copyright protection for things like catalogs and sales flyers. They left them in the public domain, and those items are still in the public domain today. So please be careful when you change a tag on an image to a tag that suggests that it is protected by copyright when you don't know whether it is or not. Particularly in the case of an image uploaded by someone who apparently has access to the original source material and is therefore in a position to ascertain if the copyright formalities for that particular item were followed.

You may prefer to assume the image referenced above is subject to copyright (since the uploader in this case says that he is the copyright holder). And certainly that's a reasonable assumption. But you might also wish to be cautious when assuming that someone who has posted something that he or she might not have personally created is not the copyright holder. There is no rule that a person must dedicate the highest resolution available of the image to the public domain or a cc license, or that he or she can't watermark it first, or that he or she can't purchase or otherwise acquire the copyright from someone else and then license it to Wikipedia. Based on information on the uploader's user page & some basic research I find it entirely plausible that this uploader does hold the copyright for the images that he says that he does. Crypticfirefly (talk) 23:09, 26 September 2008 (UTC)

Oh, another fun topic for you to research if you are bored. On the discussion for Image:JDOConner.jpg you commented that you believed it to be a derivative work. Not that it's relevant to the discussion, but in general, photographs of 2D paintings are not considered "derivative works." They are considered "copies." There's some caselaw on it that you could track down that's rather interesting. Have fun! Crypticfirefly (talk) 02:55, 30 September 2008 (UTC)

Winfield photo
Yes, I confirm that it is my photo. Hotcop2 (talk) 23:23, 26 September 2008 (UTC)

Opera stubs
Mmm I see you stub tagged Giulio Sabino. (thanks for helping out BTW). However Kleinach seems to think the article is above a stub class, perhaps influenced by the fact he created the article. Personally I think it could be expanded a fair bit to ensure it isn't stubby in parts. He has also done the same with La fausse esclave which is obviously still a stub. <font style="color:#fef;background:black;">The Bald One     <font size="-4"><font color="Black">White cat 12:05, 30 September 2008 (UTC)

1 M colors on FPC
I have answered your, and other questions about the image. Very few votes have been given, and it's time to close it soon. Would you care to re-visit and maybe cast a vote, either for or against? Thank you! --Janke | Talk 07:39, 1 October 2008 (UTC)

Image deletion from Uno (game)
You recently deleted several images from the Uno article. Do you consider that those images do not add any relevant information to the article? In my opinion, there should be images illustrating the several cards used in the game, along with the card description. - nmnogueira (talk) 11:25, 1 October 2008 (UTC)

Life on Mars photo
Thanks for adding that photo to the Life on Mars article. I've moved it to the left of the page to improve layout. Could you just add the actors' names in the caption. I would but I don't know who they are! Just something like "The Life on Mars cast: NAME OF ACTOR ON LEFT, NAME OF ACTOR IN MIDDLE and NAME OF ACTOR ON RIGHT". Cheers. <font color="#dc5f02" >ChimpanzeeUK  - User | Talk | Contribs 07:59, 2 October 2008 (UTC)

Jeff Probst
Thanks for adding an image; I'm no good at images, so I'm glad someone did! spider1224 22:15, 2 October 2008 (UTC)

LaRouche conspiracy trials
Thanks so much for your help on LaRouche conspiracy trials. I wish you'd been there when we were drafting it - I'm sure we never would have gotten into so much trouble. ;) ·:· Will Beback  ·:· 06:09, 13 October 2008 (UTC)

Fair use rationale for Image:RBS Bank Note 1919.jpg
Thanks for uploading or contributing to Image:RBS Bank Note 1919.jpg. I notice the image page specifies that the image is being used under fair use but there is not a suitable explanation or rationale as to why each specific use in Wikipedia constitutes fair use. Please go to the image description page and edit it to include a fair use rationale.

If you have uploaded other fair use media, consider checking that you have specified the fair use rationale on those pages too. You can find a list of 'image' pages you have edited by clicking on the "my contributions" link (it is located at the very top of any Wikipedia page when you are logged in), and then selecting "Image" from the dropdown box. Note that any non-free media lacking such an explanation will be deleted one week after they have been uploaded, as described on criteria for speedy deletion. If you have any questions please ask them at the Media copyright questions page. Thank you. Stifle (talk) 11:27, 14 October 2008 (UTC)

Image:Saint_Alphonsama_icon.jpg
Please see my response and remove this from deletion tag. http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Deletion_requests/Image:Saint_Alphonsama_icon.jpgKevinjohnsen (talk) 22:19, 14 October 2008 (UTC)

Thanks

Thank You!!
A long overdue thanks for the barnstar you awarded me 2 months ago. :-) ♪ Tempo Di  Valse ♪ 17:20, 18 October 2008 (UTC)

Palin's image
Because your reorientation was done without any attempt at consensus, and because your deletions were so massive, you came very close to vandalism, and perhaps even fit the definition of a vandal even if you did not intend to. I got a notice from another editor that you had deleted 80% of the content, and later checked and saw that indeed, your edits to the Public image of Sarah Plain article were far too aggressive. Be more careful in the future. Thanks. LamaLoLeshLa (talk) 03:05, 17 October 2008 (UTC)

Re: Yamloo
My reference is this:
 * Holidaying in Sikkim and Bhutan – published by Nest and Wings – ISBN 81-87592-07-9 -- one of the few informational books available on Sikkim.

The alternate name is Kagatay (mentioned in the article). References are available for this name:. I suggest you go ahead and move the page to Kagatay. Got to run soon. =Nichalp  «Talk»=  15:51, 19 October 2008 (UTC)

United States incarceration rate article
Hello there! In May of this year, you proposed to merge the  incarceration rate article into the Incarceration in the United States article. What do you intend to do with your proposal? All things being equal, I would rather remove the tags, but I'd like your input on the matter before I do anything. --NBahn (talk) 07:31, 29 October 2008 (UTC)

Image:LED_EscapingSilence.jpg
Hi. Keep this image. Put it back. This image is encyclopedic and useful. Hempdiddy (talk)
 * Timestamp to archive. Calliopejen1 (talk) 16:59, 9 November 2008 (UTC)

RyanSmile.jpg
You are right I didn't take this picture, but someone else did. It is in a public event so doesn't that mean we can use it? I mean other sites use the pic and don't they have the same copyright things as wiki does. If not, my mistake and u can delete this. I tried to delete it but do not know how. Like i have said b4, I do not know anything about the whole copyright issues. i just like uploading pics LOL Raizen18(talk)5:30PM Oct 3, 2008
 * Timestamp to archive. Calliopejen1 (talk) 16:59, 9 November 2008 (UTC)

Delmar post office move and disambiguation
Jen,

I have reverted your move. First, there are quite a few other U.S. Post Office articles that already use that same disambiguation format (as we do for all building or historic districts; second, that's because "U.S. Post Office" is the proper name of the building, not a location (per my argument re the opposite side of the coin here. Third, WP:BOLD notwithstanding, oughtn't something more than just a "wny not? ..." question on a talk page be a justification for a move like this?

I didn't see any policy invoked there, or in your edit summary. And post offices are not the only proper-name geographic term so disambiguated ... most proper-name natural features are, and I've had many NRHP articles (about historic districts and other proper-named properties), inlcuding others on post offices, that were similarly disambiguated on DYK without anyone deciding that "common sense" called for such a move. Granted, NC isn't clear on exactly this point, but I think the manifest weight of practice regarding analogous subjects such as mountins and lakes without anyone objecting suggests this is fine. Daniel Case (talk) 20:14, 29 October 2008 (UTC)

IFD Process
If you have the time, could you please stop by and let me know what you think on my proposal. Thank you for your time, <font color="#00FF00">Matthew <font color="#00FF00">Yeager  07:40, 1 November 2008 (UTC)

Cambodia
You and Mangstar aren't the same editor are you?? Wow I was thinking it great that two people were interested in Cambodia! I saw your note that you had more sources for Cambodia. If so, I'll probably be starting on Cambodia in a few months, so let me know when the time comes. Dr. Blofeld (talk) 12:50, 31 October 2008 (UTC)

Thats cool! Wow I was actually impressed by both of your work but now I know that you are the same person I'm thrilled! Excellent. Thanks for all your work. I'm currently working on Nepal, making good progress. I have a large log of Latin American, Malaysian and South African articles to add infoboxes to which may take some time but I'll be sure to start on Cambodia perhaps in a month or two. Also it would be a good idea to get acquainted with User:Paxse who used to be "Mr. Cambodia" on wikipedia. I believe he has now returned, hopefully to stay. Regards! <font style="color:#fef;background:black;">Count Blofeld 13:53, 4 November 2008 (UTC)

Also can you see if you can find any websites which have a similar set up for Vietnam. Its extremely lacking at present. <font style="color:#fef;background:black;">Count Blofeld 17:48, 4 November 2008 (UTC)


 * Hey Jen, I've been meaning to drop by your page/s (under various cool names) and say thanks for all your great work on Cambodia articles. Were you the person who wanted editors to collaborate on getting Ratanakiri Province up to GA status? I think it must have been you, as you've done a brilliant job with that article already. It looks close to GA already. I'm happy to help out if you'll point out what you think needs doing. Cheers, Paxse (talk) 10:52, 9 November 2008 (UTC)

AfD nomination of Rashid Khalidi bibliography
An article that you have been involved in editing, Rashid Khalidi bibliography, has been listed for deletion. If you are interested in the deletion discussion, please participate by adding your comments at Articles for deletion/Rashid Khalidi bibliography. Thank you. NoCal100 (talk) 03:02, 2 November 2008 (UTC)

Orphaned non-free media (Image:Fernando Amorsolo 1a.jpg)
Thanks for uploading Image:Fernando Amorsolo 1a.jpg. The media description page currently specifies that it is non-free and may only be used on Wikipedia under a claim of fair use. However, it is currently orphaned, meaning that it is not used in any articles on Wikipedia. If the media was previously in an article, please go to the article and see why it was removed. You may add it back if you think that that will be useful. However, please note that media for which a replacement could be created are not acceptable for use on Wikipedia (see our policy for non-free media).

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Borrowed your user page layout
Hi Calliopejen1; I had serendipitously come across your neatly organized user page and fell in love with it straight away. I then helped myself to the layout. Now that I have it just about complete, I humbly ask for your consent to continue to use this layout. --HJKeats (talk) 14:27, 4 November 2008 (UTC)
 * Thank you! --HJKeats (talk) 14:32, 4 November 2008 (UTC)

prod
I think you may have accidentally not notified the editor who wrote the article on Eliza Suggs of your proposed deletion, so i let him know about the necessary improvements if he wanted it kept. (there's supposed to be a bot that notifies people, but it often is not in operation, so we've got to do it ourselves). DGG (talk) 01:18, 9 November 2008 (UTC)

Ashland Academy of Art, Semyon Bilmes images
Hi thank you for watching this page. I have full permission from the Ashland Academy and Semyon Bilmes to use these images. How can I change the copy right or what kind of proof do I need to show? or you mentioned something about an official email?

Phronesis66 (talk) 03:17, 11 November 2008 (UTC)

Orphaned non-free media (Image:Idi Amin.jpg)
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TfD nomination of Template:Infobox Fashions
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French copyright law
Hi. I was wondering if you could look into French copyright law and when images expire <font style="color:#fef;background:black;">Count Blofeld  19:53, 10 November 2008 (UTC)

Yes. The only thing is it seems to state "100 years" on here but "70 years" in the commons. P.S. Ratanakiri Province really is an exemplary piece of work on Cambodia. 111 references for an article on Cambodia is astonishing. When are you going to propose it for an FA? With a little of work I reckon its ready. The main Cambodia article could also do with a lot of work, it isn't really FA class at present although it is listed as one. <font style="color:#fef;background:black;">Count Blofeld 22:27, 10 November 2008 (UTC)

UN
Hi. I was wondering if we could claim use of these United Nations images. The images state "copyrighted" but it it well known UNited Nations material is in the public domain with Template:PD-UN? The template asserts that public domain images include "United Nations documents issued with a UN symbol" but most if not all of the images do. <font style="color:#fef;background:black;">Count Blofeld 12:52, 14 November 2008 (UTC)

I thought as much. Shame wikipedia can't sort out more agreements with such organisations. I've negotiated a number of flickr agreements but was rather diappointed by the slow reaction from the commons to welcome them to say the least so these days I can't be bothered with the hassle of trying to prove they are legitimate for use. I'm sure there would be thousands of people or organisations that would be willing to permit the wiki project use of images if they are properly attibuted. Something more upscale needs to be done in this respect as potentially we are missing out on a mass of quality and resourceful images. <font style="color:#fef;background:black;">Count Blofeld 13:10, 14 November 2008 (UTC)

As you seem highly interested in images, perhaps you could upload these free images of Kalaymyo to the commons from here. They are highly valuable images of Burma. Thanks <font style="color:#fef;background:black;">Count Blofeld  20:57, 16 November 2008 (UTC)

Did you have any luck? <font style="color:#fef;background:black;">Count Blofeld 22:06, 17 November 2008 (UTC)

No probs. Its a stunning country, like the rest of SE Asia and we need as many images of such places as possible. There is an online Burma library too that has an increasing amount of content but the amount missing on here for Burma is vast. There must be millions of potential articles on Burma and China alone. <font style="color:#fef;background:black;">Count Blofeld 22:12, 17 November 2008 (UTC)

Charvet
As a courtesy, I wish to let you know I have partially reverted your edit on Charvet Place Vendôme,modified List of Charvet customers in view of an afd discussion which includes your comment and posted a reply concerning ifd BHLevy.jpg. I hope these edits meet your expectation. As a fellow member of WikiProject Fashion, I also hope this will be the start of a constructive collaboration and look forward to further common improvements. Kindly use the related talk pages if need be. Thank you, Racconish (talk) 13:12, 17 November 2008 (UTC)

Whitman Images
Hi Jen, you deleted my Chiefmiles photo from the Whitman page as a blatant Copy-Vio. I can accept that, if the Houston Chronicle image is also deleted as fair play. Both are newspaper accounts. Thanks!Victor9876 (talk) 18:23, 17 November 2008 (UTC)

The Chiefmiles.jpg is nowhere on the internet and was clipped by the officer who killed Whitman. As a valuable piece of information, could it be linked to as a reference? And if so, how? Harvard eh!? You're now suspect! lol!Victor9876 (talk) 18:37, 17 November 2008 (UTC)

Veritas
How do you deal with the conflicting mottos of Harvard and Wikipedia? If Harvard's is truth, and Wikipedia's is not truth, just open ended verifiability, couldn't that drive you to be another Ted Kazcynski (also a Harvard Graduate)? True, you could become President of the US, or a Nobel Prize winner, but the conflicting pressure you are under here leads back to Ted! lololol!Victor9876 (talk) 19:00, 17 November 2008 (UTC)

Vote for Deletion
Hey, I noticed your on the image at Charles Whitman may have been placed without actually reading the article itself (I can hardly blame you, that large) -- I don't know if it will change your opinion at all, but the newspaper edition pictured is actually part of the article, which discusses how the Chronicle actually re-opened their printing presses to publish that new "mid-day" newspaper addendum. I just thought clarifying that point might help you understand why I think a low-resolution scan of the headline (without any visible article text, making it similar to Image:Deweytruman12.jpg) meets Fair Use criteria. This isn't the following day's newspaper from a random publisher writing about the shooting, it's the local paper that put out a second newspaper that day to update people in the afternoon about what had occured earlier that day. Hope that helps! Sherurcij (speaker for the dead) 17:53, 18 November 2008 (UTC)

Puzzled Judge
Could you please check him and see if it's now ok? PraeceptorIP (talk) 00:05, 20 November 2008 (UTC)

In-line images
Is it permitted toi use in line images. E.g. -- <img src="http://www.uspto.gov/images/uspto_seal_120.gif"> ? PraeceptorIP (talk) 03:04, 20 November 2008 (UTC)

Reverting to the Half.com pop-up over Amazon - - - Status?
Where do we stand now on the jpg of Half.com that is popped up over Amazon's page? Is the fair use description insufficient, so that the image is slated for deletion? Obviously, it is fair use under US copyright law because it is used to illustrate a point in a scholarly article. Moreover, by presenting the material graphically it provides the user with a much better understanding of what the effect of Half.com's conduct is on Amazon's interest in its webpage. If one went through the four fair use factors of 17 USC 107, and considered the preamble too, any court would have to find the use fair.

The militant guy says US fair use is not enough. Does that mean the image should be deleted? What do you recommend?

(Incidentally, the militant guy is wrong about who owns copyright. The derivative work is the combination of the Amazon ad and the Half.com pop-up. This is an unauthorized derivative work, so Half.com has no copyright interest in it under the US statute. Only Amazon has any interest, and its interest is limited to the remaining (unobscured) Amazon portion of the original Amazon work (the Amazon ad). That isn't much of an interest, seeing as how much Half.com hid the original material. Still, Amazon owns whatever there is that is capable of ownership.)

PraeceptorIP (talk) 19:13, 20 November 2008 (UTC)

:(
The OTRS for this was pending, lol. I had permission from the author to use it. Oh well, too late I guess... sorry for any inconveniences or such. Cheers, Master of Puppets  <sub style="color:#7d7d7d">Call me MoP! :)  21:03, 20 November 2008 (UTC)

AfD
AfD so I've removed it. What were you trying to achieve? Let me know and I'll try to help. ➨ ❝ЯEDVERS❞ a sweet and tender hooligan 10:41, 21 November 2008 (UTC)


 * Never mind: I worked out what you were seeking and repaired it (and all the other IfD tags you placed yesterday). ➨ ❝ЯEDVERS❞ a sweet and tender hooligan 10:49, 21 November 2008 (UTC)

Deletion of images
Thanks for the notes on the intended deletion of image of Canberra and the location maps for Purnululu and Geikie Gorge. I have no problem with their deletion as I'm sure better quality images have been made available since I created and uploaded these. Sorry for the delayed response, I'm an intermittent contrbutor these days Tiles (talk) 22:07, 21 November 2008 (UTC)

Image copyright problem with Image:Harstad byvåpen.JPG
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Images
Hi did you upload those Burma images after? There are also some Nepal images to be uploaded. In fact, all of these valuable images are freely licensed <font style="color:#fef;background:black;">Count Blofeld 14:41, 2 December 2008 (UTC)

Also a shame he doesn't include more details about some of the places. For the few landsacpe pictures hes generally just added "Nepal". I wonder if there is a way to search flickr images by license type. Attibution only images? <font style="color:#fef;background:black;">Count Blofeld 14:56, 2 December 2008 (UTC)

Found it <font style="color:#fef;background:black;">Count Blofeld 15:00, 2 December 2008 (UTC)

Found a nice image of Phnom Kulen 's waterfall anyway <font style="color:#fef;background:black;">Count Blofeld 15:28, 2 December 2008 (UTC)

Hi. I'm having trouble uploading This image of Lhasa Airport. Could you see if it works uploading it on yours? <font style="color:#fef;background:black;">Count Blofeld 22:29, 2 December 2008 (UTC)

Thanks, don't know why it won't work. Sometimes my computer crashes at 2000+ px images also or it takes ages to upload. Funnily I can manage to upload 1500px size images in a second or two <font style="color:#fef;background:black;">Count Blofeld  15:51, 3 December 2008 (UTC)

Image:SColfax_statue.jpg listed for deletion
"An image or media file that you (User:Centpacrr} uploaded or altered, Image:SColfax_statue.jpg, has been listed at Images and media for deletion. Please see the to see why this is (you may have to search for the title of the image to find its entry), if you are interested in it not being deleted.   Calliopejen1 (talk) 12:56, 2 December 2008 (UTC)"


 * I personally took this digital photograph of the statue of Vice President Colfax in August, 2003, and uploaded it to Wikipedia in January, 2007. What case are you making that it should be deleted? I don't understand what you mean by "no freedom of panorama in us" or why whatever that is constitutes a problem. I also do not know exactly when the statue was erected (although I believe that it is within the last 25 years), but I don't remotely see what difference that would possibly make. The statue is located at the AMTRAK station in Colfax, CA, a town in the Sierras on the origianl CPRR railroad grade between Sacramento and Reno named after this American politician who was also involved in promoting the construction of the First Transcontinental Railroad next to which it stands. The image is linked to three appropriate pages on Wikipedia that relate to VP Colfax, the town named after him, and the railroad station there. What exactly is your issue with this image which has been on Wikipedia for almost two years? (Centpacrr (talk) 16:57, 2 December 2008 (UTC))

orphaned images
First, re message about the orphaned images being nominated and checking uploader's contributions, I am going to assume its just my spin on the words and that you meant it all in a positive way, but the tone of the message (to me) comes off as authoritarian, bossy and condecending -- as if I am actively trying to destroy the encyclopedia.

Here is where the lists of images are coming from User:Rootology/Images. You could have found it from the "What links here" link on the various image pages. There are thousands upon thousands upon thousands of images here. They all are tagged as PD-self and are ophaned. Have a look at my contributions and you will see, along with nominating a large number for deletion, I am also tagging about the same number with the Move to Commons tag. These images are the ones that appear to have some encyclopedic use and have some details provided by the uploader to the description page. I will free confress I am doing some cherry picking of images off of Rootology's listings. At the same time, I do not believe that every image which contains an encyclopedic subject has to be kept; at some point after the images were added to an article someone else decided (with or without concensus) to remove it. I also think that contributors need to provide details of images they upload and there is no way anyone will ever find the images if there are no descriptive details to search for.

Now some advice to you, for those images that you have done some research on and identified (atleast very likley identified) the subject of the image and have added that to the discussion, perhaps you could add that information directly into the image page as well. I suggest this because once the discussion is clsoed as a keep based on your new information, the closing admin is not adding the info to the image page and all your information is effectively lost and the image hangs around still as an orphan with minimal information provided on the face of the page. Thanks. --Jordan 1972 (talk) 21:33, 2 December 2008 (UTC)

Image:Ellison_ralph.jpg listed for deletion
An image or media file that you uploaded or altered, Image:Ellison_ralph.jpg, has been listed at Images and media for deletion. Please see the to see why this is (you may have to search for the title of the image to find its entry), if you are interested in it not being deleted. Calliopejen1 (talk) 14:42, 2 December 2008 (UTC)
 * The image should be kept. The image was used as part of a LOC Federal Writers Project display, with the copyright information spelled out here. Before I uploaded the image, I contacted the LOC to double check and was told all the images in this presentation were in the public domain, with most taken from the National Archives. Pay particular attention to the use of the term "documents" to refer to the works in the display. This term means it covers both the images and the writing samples. In short, this image is in the public domain.--SouthernNights (talk) 01:15, 3 December 2008 (UTC)

Thanks for verifying the information on the photo. When all this came up, I was kicking myself for not having kept the info I received from the LOC on the photo being in the public domain. Best,--SouthernNights (talk) 01:20, 4 December 2008 (UTC)

Textiles
Hi - thanks for helping :-) Matilda talk 01:18, 3 December 2008 (UTC)
 * Sorry for the edit conflict - I will try to redo your edit too aagh --Matilda talk 22:39, 3 December 2008 (UTC)
 * All yours for the time being - I should do some real life stuff! Thanks for your help - it is slow progress but i think may produce a useful and interesting list and I am learning a heap of new vocabulary! Regards--Matilda talk 22:51, 3 December 2008 (UTC)

Bot
How do I use that bot? Is it accesible in the commons? What would I enter for the password if we are not to add our commons password? <font style="color:#fef;background:black;">Count Blofeld 15:56, 3 December 2008 (UTC)

Just noticed. I am going to have to get my account name changed in the commons to User:Dr. Blofeld. <font style="color:#fef;background:black;">Count Blofeld 16:01, 3 December 2008 (UTC)

A.P letter
I found something that you should keep close at hand as you are finding A.P images - Image:Marked-ap-letter.jpg. It is a letter from the Associated Press that is giving permission for two images to be used on Wikiepedia. But the very last paragraph should be extremely clear: "With respect to any and all other photographs in which The Associated Press is the copyright holder, The Associated Press reserves all its rights, and specifically does not agree that any Wikipedia publication of a copy-protected Associated Press photo in which a Wikipedia user chooses to upload would constitute fair use." I have already posted this in the three main discussion areas about the bombing image. Soundvisions1 (talk) 23:41, 5 December 2008 (UTC)

About Image
Most of image a taken myself because I belongs to this place. but yes might COUPLE of them are from public domain like goverment and i forget to mark(I have modified the STAMP one).

Any way, please let me know that that public domain's image (like goverment) is accpetable or not?

Devessh S N Bhatta (talk) 03:00, 7 December 2008 (UTC)

My Final Warning
I was not trying to cause a problem, I kind of new to this and learning. The copyrights of pictures seems to be very confussing to me. In the case of the kind of articles I wrote I don't really understand why it is an issue. When you are writing an article about a closed high school that is all positive and showing all thier great history and achievments and then you drop in a picture of the front of the school and reference it to the website it was grabbed from I dont understand hot that is a problem. I made changes to the information I had entered into the copyright information and I thought I could just delete the tags because I thought I corrected the problems. The picture of victory high school is scanned but it is a picture from a free little flyer that was sent home with my daughter who goes to school there now (it is an elementry school. It is not like something that someone is trying to make money off of or anything.  I dont really understand what the issue is.  I see you uploading pic's of famous people, and etc from all over the world....why is that ok?  I am lost, I am not arguing, Im sure your right, I am just trying to be a useful contributer to wikipedia because I really like the site and I want to help.

Garkeith (talk) 06:26, 7 December 2008 (UTC)

Troups-de-loup.png
Unfortunately, your vote to delete my image came through when I was away from Wikipedia for a few weeks, and I didn't receive notification of until after it had been done. I do not think the replacement image is a good choice at all. Firstly, as the article states, the main usage of these things in war was in wide fields of them completely covering an area. The old picture depicted that, the new one shows a single item configured as a booby trap; while much depicted in adventure stories, this usage must have been much rarer, and so far as I can determine there is no archaeological evidence for it. Secondly, the original image was carefully constructed for minimum file weight. Due to the coloured gradient shading (which is a purely artistic effect that conveys no useful information), the file size has been increased to 171 kB, which is big enough to be a serious turn-off for readers who do not have DSL (which is still most of the world.) Since my image has now been deleted, I would suggest using http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Trous.de.loup.png which is a) a genuine historic image; b) much smaller than the new one; and c) depicts a cluster of troups-de-loup (albeit not as clearly as the image that was deleted.) -- Securiger (talk) 20:51, 17 December 2008 (UTC)

Cambodia
Can you also find me a list sites with population data and details on villages/communes in Cambodia? In fact please find any resoureful census detail by country and list them here. The Bald One      White cat 20:34, 18 December 2008 (UTC)

AfD nomination of Encyclopedia article
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Michael Crichton
Great news. I've emailed Jon Chase, the photographer at Harvard to request permission to use his photo. He has responded and agreed to permit us to use it under creative commons attribution. It is now OTRS pending. Good? The Bald One      White cat 20:24, 6 January 2009 (UTC)

I actually agree with you that the gallery of women may appear a little tacky to some but it seemed a good idea at the time. But it of course should be my own decision to keep or delete them within my user space, anybody would think they were all copyrighted or something. Anyway I have the Crichton image uploaded as you can see, apparently the OTRS volunteers needed to confirm it by contacting Jon Chase themselves to ensure it can be used for commercial purposes.Take care The Bald One       White cat 17:12, 8 January 2009 (UTC)

Please leave the image alone
You marked the image of Volodymyr Vynnychenko for deletion:. The person depicted in the image was born in 1880 thus the image itself, showing a man no later than his forties in age, is no longer copyrighted. Please let's not turn wikipedia into a bureacracy.Faustian (talk) 13:58, 12 January 2009 (UTC)

History of Paraguay (to 1767)
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Thank you for the photo advice
Calliope,

Thank you for your advice on the Ruben Diaz Jr. photos.

I'm new at most of this.

I noticed your bio...I graduated Harvard '77 and Yale Law School '80...never even wanted to be a lawyer.

Ah well, c'est la vie.

Fare forward and thanks!

MBernal615 (talk) 05:28, 16 January 2009 (UTC)

FLickr images
Hey I'm gradually gaining confidence in the OTRS ticketers and have made several agreements. Examples of Norfolk Island below are good:

Howveer the big agreement is with Grete Howard which is an image gold mine. She has visited 122 countries. Please help me upload them to the commons. So far I've done Togo but not all the images. Here so far  Dr. Blofeld       White cat 20:20, 16 January 2009 (UTC)

POTD notification
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Proposed deletion of HIV/AIDS in Guatemala
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 * looks like good-faith copy/paste job from US govt source - no edits since sept 2008 - not a copyvio (US govt source), but prodding unless someone wants to rescue it.

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Cambodia
Hi Jen, User:Paxse and I are currently developing the district articles on Cambodia. I've created Communes of Cambodia we really need as much help as possible in compiling and improving these articles. COuld you help list the communes on this page as I've started doing? Dr. Blofeld      White cat 20:43, 31 January 2009 (UTC)

Hi, yes I am in contact with her on flickr, oh I'd better fix those pending ones now. For Communes of Cambodia I just need help in adding all of the communes of Cambodia in the list from the site which lists that and the villages. pLus I'm making good preogress with LOC and have started over 5 agriculture articles in the last week and earlier Fishing industry in the Maldives! Dr. Blofeld      White cat 18:45, 4 February 2009 (UTC)

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ang pangingialam mo sa akin
madam, kung parati kang makikialam sa akin, maaari po bang pakitanggal na lang ang mga image na nilagay ko? nakakainis ka kasi eh. alam mo naman na napakahirap ang kumuha ng lisensya para sa Wikipedia, kaya sarilihin mo na lamang itong Wikipedia mO! Wikipedia is yours now!!!!!!!!!!!! Own now this wikipedia! You block information from the Philippines!Johnlemartirao (talk) 13:47, 5 February 2009 (UTC)

Please Read Articles First!
You are right that Himig Valenzuela, in Valenzuela City page is a song, but not a modern song. Please read the article first, I thought you were from Harvard, please, read every article you found on the internet before deleting it:

From Valenzuela City Page http://www.valenzuela.gov.ph/press.php?id=200808256&tbl=press

[copyrighted text removed]

See? Please read, the article you read on the Internet, is a news for launching the MTV version of the Himig Valenzuela, so that every people here should be able to hear the song. That is not a modern song, please. Please Read, That Is The Official Song of the City of Valenzuela, Philippines, and not an RNB, rock or love song. If you do not know how,. study tagalog.

I though you were from Harvard, very very great school. Johnlemartirao (talk) 10:25, 3 February 2009 (UTC)

Regarding Thiru.Vi ka.jpg listed for deletion
The name of the stamp image is 081108-0627-vikalyanasu1.jpg taken from --Sureshmaran (talk) 14:05, 5 February 2009 (UTC)

Regarding (20:28, 2 February 2009 Calliopejen1 (Talk | contribs) (2,572 bytes) (rm unencyclopedic content and linkfarm) (undo)) on Your Favorite Enemies Article
Please tell me why you erased those links... some where of checked sources... I think having an artcle about Your Favorite Enemies in Amnesty International's journal, and being official spokesperson to them is proof enough of the relevance of this band... but unfortunatly you ereased those links... and for the links of the official websites, why would this article not be allowed to have these kind of links, please explain to me because I have been around and I ahve seen other musicians articles, and tey ahve these kind of links... why in this case would it be prohibited? Or is it because the links have been deleted without actually loooking at them first? if so please put them back, editing, and ereasing good content, which has taken quite some time to gather, is kind of dissapointing, trying to make the most precise and the most perfect article, with the most information, but people keep deleting stuff...How am I to do good resources when the are deleted??? please respondSophenemy (talk) 15:02, 8 February 2009 (UTC)

Moving
Your move FIFO can conversion to a redirect breaks a whole lot of links. In general, it is not OK to "hijack" an article name this name without a discussion and consensus. Dicklyon (talk) 16:16, 9 February 2009 (UTC)

Keller pic
How 'bout I crop that out and then we co-nom? I can write the nom (or you), whichever you prefer. <font color="#000000">Ceran <font color="#000080">→// forge 20:15, 9 February 2009 (UTC)

Block threat
Your threat of blocking me is rather uncivil when I have done nothing wrong. I have hard copies of both File:Queenmumindurham.jpg and File:Rallyswastikadeutch.jpg. If you care to Google either/both you will find that neither picture appears anywhere else on the internet. (Unless copied from my uploads on Wikipedia.) The details you need to keep these pictures are included in the upload page content. Please do not threaten me any further. If you feel the need to delete, then feel free. I won't be sobbing into my beer if you do.--Tufacave (talk) 22:54, 10 February 2009 (UTC)
 * Ummm - what more info do you need???? They are NOT scanned from books, they are NOT taken from the internet, they are NOT nicked from my next door neighbour or from the bin of the bloke down the street!!! The details are on the UPLOAD PAGE!!! If you can't understand that, then I really don't know how else to explain it to you any simpler. Indeed, the details as applied to Swastica are to be found on several Featured Articles. --Tufacave (talk) 23:02, 10 February 2009 (UTC)
 * Yawn. Round and round the roundabout. Read the 3RR rules too, cos you broke 'em)--Tufacave (talk) 23:10, 10 February 2009 (UTC)

about source
OK thanks for the explanation for the street teams list, I didn't know that... But my question was: "why did you erase the references to the Amnesty International article on the band?"... The band has been in many magazines, which are, I think good sources to put on Wikipedia... I thought a printed source is valid? why did you take it off the article? what sources should I put? I thought Amnesty International's official website would have been enough, and if not, why is Amnesty International not a valid source considering it is an world wide known organization???Sophenemy (talk) 15:00, 12 February 2009 (UTC)

More flickr
My request for a good pin map of Cambodia has been granted, my good friend NordNordWest who is doing every country eventually and standardising the maps to svg has now created File:Cambodia location map.svg. I've also arranged for a user on flickr who is highly protective of his most of his images to change the license on 22 of his images to be uploaded. Think of it as a gift to wikipedia from him. You can view them here. Includes some of Cambodia which we were missing too! Dr. Blofeld       White cat 21:36, 13 February 2009 (UTC)

I'll check out that proposal in a mo. Ideally I wish there was a tool in which we could automatically translate articles from other wikipedia. It would also have massive benefit to other wikipedia in translating from us too. However undoubtedly there ar eimplications such as incorrect translations, occasional unreferenced or incorrect material etc but without a doubt something larger scale should be done about the translation thing on here which is pretty low key given the scale of all the wikipedias. I'm working on Mali at the moment there is enough information to expand around 500 articles fuller but I'll make sure I have all 703 communes started and then at least expand a few up to start class/c class. Glad you like the photos, I have only added the Cambodian ones so far I think. Dr. Blofeld      White cat 17:43, 14 February 2009 (UTC)

I think your template adjustments are excellent, I had tried to find a way of including the link myself but couldn't. If you could sort out all of the language tags I'd be grateful. Including a direct link to resourceful information on a weak article is probably the most important platform we can build wotwards it. I'm glad you understand my intentions. Perhaps we should also mention google translate in them to encourage editors to have a go at it? Thanks. Dr. Blofeld      White cat 17:27, 15 February 2009 (UTC)

Could use your input at village pump. Thanks Dr. Blofeld       White cat 18:08, 15 February 2009 (UTC) Yep one thing though I would avoid babelfish it is usually very bad I would only mention google translate or if you have a knowledge of the language translate. I don't want people to think the templates are for translating incorrect information or encouraging bad translations thats all. Can you please keep it to google translate? Dr. Blofeld      White cat 20:33, 15 February 2009 (UTC)

If you can add a direct translation link like that basically instructing editors to click the translation link and expand the article easily this is awesome progress. Undoubtedly this would be far more succesful than our current small scale operation and while not perfect would seem to provide us with the instant access to translation of material I've long required. Google translate has many languages not all of them we have obviously but at least many of the most important ones. So if we could get most of the templates linked up to those which have language translation this is one of the most important things we can do on here for development. We must find a way then to mass distrubute these templates and basically root out the articles which should be translated perhaps a bot or something? Anyway this is great news. Dr. Blofeld      White cat 20:43, 15 February 2009 (UTC)

Ohhh definately avoid village pump. We now how disastrous it can be towards progression on here. They ruined my last proposal. Yes a bot that would read kb size on another wikipedia and flag them. The main problem of course would be the quantity vs quality debate. There may be a 95 kb article on French wiki for instance that is utter rubbish and a 15 kb article on another wikipedia which is of excellent quality and well referenced. We'd need to consider this but I am concerned about making it too public as people will kick up a fuss about unreliability and things like this. Perhaps AWB would be suitable and then human checking. That would be a start for existing articles however sluggish but the revised templates will be very useful for creating missing article by trnaswiki on here and allow anybody to expand on what I start. Dr. Blofeld       White cat 20:53, 15 February 2009 (UTC)

The reason why I named the categories as Spanish language is to avoid the confusion over language and nationality. "Spanish articles" I thought would mean Spain. Peruvian articles, Peruvian articles needing translation etc. Spanish language I thought indicated exactly what is was intended for. Was it problematic the previous category? Dr. Blofeld      White cat 21:09, 15 February 2009 (UTC)

INdeed, your new category suggestion would be very appropriate. COuld we change to your new suggestion, this way it avoids confusion and naturally is consistent with the template names you identified. Dr. Blofeld      White cat 21:13, 15 February 2009 (UTC)

I'd propose Category:Articles needing translation from Spanish Wikipedia. Sound good? Dr. Blofeld      White cat 21:15, 15 February 2009 (UTC)

Excellent. This server lag does my head in, sometimes it takes days for categories when stub sorting to migrate from the parent categories, not to mention being generally slow of late. They really need to update the servers as wikipedia is clearly getting too strenuous for them. Dr. Blofeld       White cat 21:16, 15 February 2009 (UTC)

For the articles which have different names in a different language, perhaps you could get the templates to read off the bottom links of the page if the link doesn't match? Probably too technical but just a thought. Dr. Blofeld      White cat 21:38, 15 February 2009 (UTC)

moons of Pluto
Hi,

The Pluto image is entirely relevant. It allows the reader to contrast Pluto with its moons, which is part of the article. The painting does not. kwami (talk) 19:08, 14 February 2009 (UTC)

Expand Frisian
Do you mean replace "|otherarticle=" with "|otherarticle=" in the various articles? Sure - I don't mind doing it manually. Probably some time this afternoon, if that's OK. --User:AlbertHerring Io son l'orecchio e tu la bocca: parla! 16:55, 16 February 2009 (UTC)
 * Given the pattern as it's been so far, I would say it should not. I'm not the one who's been creating the articles, and the editor that has been seems to have a preferance for using the German-language names.  I'm not averse to changing the templates myself; my only question is whether or not someone else who uses them would do the same.  Basically, make it simpler for the novice editor rather than not. --User:AlbertHerring Io son l'orecchio e tu la bocca: parla! 17:11, 16 February 2009 (UTC)
 * Awesome. Speaking of which...has anybody told you how awesome you are for doing all of this stuff with the templates?  Because you are.  Here - have a fine piece of Renaissance sculpture for your work. --User:AlbertHerring Io son l'orecchio e tu la bocca: parla! 17:17, 16 February 2009 (UTC)
 * All thanks to Blofeld, honestly - he started them and I created a handful. (I still think there are some others, yet to be created, that could be useful - like Sardinian, believe it or not.  Anybody with a half-decent understanding of one of the Romance languages can translate from Sardinian.)  As to the current translation system, I couldn't agree more; I once requested a pair of articles be translated from German, and it took something like a year and a half for the translations to be completed.  I like the templates because they're a bit in-your-face; I think they draw the eye a lot better than that silly old-style system we've been relying on.


 * Speaking for myself, as a sometime translator, they're a boon to getting content up quickly, too. Translation is not an easy process - even something as short as Fodé Bangoura took me about a half-hour, at minimum (closer to forty-five minutes, if I recall correctly.)  I think it's a lot nicer if it can be made a collaborative process, rather than something reliant upon one or two users at a time.  Better to get the article built up gradually, I think, then to cause one person to end up with carpal tunnel syndrome from overtyping.


 * I'll put my tuppence ha'penny'orth in at the WP:Translation discussion in a little while. --User:AlbertHerring Io son l'orecchio e tu la bocca: parla! 17:30, 16 February 2009 (UTC)


 * I had considered one for Ido as well - I'm not sure there's enough in the Ido Wikipedia to warrant translation, but it might be worth investigating. Otherwise I'll need to sit down with a list of Wikipedias and see what's available. --User:AlbertHerring Io son l'orecchio e tu la bocca: parla! 17:41, 16 February 2009 (UTC)


 * Most excellent - I shall attempt to put it to some use this afternoon. --User:AlbertHerring Io son l'orecchio e tu la bocca: parla! 18:07, 16 February 2009 (UTC)

Oh hello Mr. Herring! Thats great work Jen, thanks for doing that. Off hand I wouldn't add anything else to the templates, explanation for use can be given on the template page itself I think. Thanks for your efforts! One thing though, have you fixed the names of the categories yet? Dr. Blofeld      White cat 20:33, 16 February 2009 (UTC)

Didn't you say that you hated the current design or something of the normal expand template. You may want to check out Village pump (proposals), there is a proposal to change some of the main templates. Dr. Blofeld       White cat 22:42, 16 February 2009 (UTC)
 * Hello yourself, Baldy. ;-) I added a word to the template - "the" before "[language] Wikipedia"; for aesthetic reasons I think it looks better that way.  What say you? --User:AlbertHerring Io son l'orecchio e tu la bocca: parla! 05:31, 17 February 2009 (UTC)

about source reply
Most of the articles about this band are in french, so was that reference, am I allowed to put a French quote on the english Wiki?" here is the link: http://www.amnistie.ca/content/view/79/115/ It talks about the past of the signer as being a white power supremasist gang leader, and now is trying to show people, through the band, and conferences with Amnesty, that hatered is not the answer to loneliness... I suppose I would have to find printed articles, that are also on the internt, so I could put the reference6?? is that it?Sophenemy (talk) 14:52, 13 February 2009 (UTC)
 * I have made the reference and sources, as you have requested, more are coming, I thought a few other printed articles would be relevant but I sure hope this one will be enought to take the warning on top of the page for now. Sophenemy (talk) 00:15, 19 February 2009 (UTC)

Indonesian expand
I am very sorry but you have the animal by the very wrong part of the anatomy. The last thing en Wikipedia Indonesia project needs is moving their uncited material across from id wikipedia - its wrong end - we need WP:RS not tyranslations - that is an issue if you had checked the project noticeboard - and anything that has Indonesian words (like Kabupaten) in material in mainspace only encourages english challenged editors to add more non english material to mainspace. Please help us by not doing that again - thank you :) SatuSuro 22:45, 16 February 2009 (UTC)

In AGF I have only reverted one - to ask for a expand on Zoetmulder is simply mind boggling - I would really appreciate an explanation for that one - but hey maybe javanese, dutch, indonesian are your native langauges? As for the rest I would contest each one - thanks for your understanding - if you can understand the Indonesian project issues over the last 2 years I am sure they would not have been done :) SatuSuro 22:49, 16 February 2009 (UTC)

Perhaps not Indonesian as the Indonesian wiki I believe is often of very poor quality and underdeveloped itself. SatuSaro my old Aussie friend has a point about Indonesian. It was created for cases when this isn't the case and Indonesian wiki has a much more resourceful article (and where its difficult to botain any reliable online sources) for more obscure parts of Indonesia etc Dr. Blofeld       White cat 22:50, 16 February 2009 (UTC)

That my dear is a superb edition to the Indonesian template. Might I recommend a similar set up with Thai and Tagalog which also suffer similar problems? Dr. Blofeld      White cat 23:01, 16 February 2009 (UTC)

Wow you're quick. Yes Khmer also, possibly Malaysian wiki too. Can't remember if we made a Malaysian one. Dr. Blofeld      White cat 23:05, 16 February 2009 (UTC)

Vietnamese! Dr. Blofeld      White cat 23:13, 16 February 2009 (UTC)

Wonderful! Perhaps Haitian Creole or Tongan, I know the articles have been pretty poor that I have seen. Anyway these small wikipedias are not as importantt as the Top 10 wikis of course, just trying to move towards a fuller world coverage. Just adminstering french, german, spanish, italian, polish, portuguese alone will be massive itself. Anyway keep up the good work, beddy boys for my bald head now. Buenos Noches! Dr. Blofeld       White cat 23:20, 16 February 2009 (UTC)

Thank you very much for your tolerance of my initial post here - appreciated - it was good to catch up with the bald one (sic) and yourself - thanks for your hard work - appreciate your understanding of my point - and your explanation of what was going on - cheers SatuSuro 04:25, 17 February 2009 (UTC)

Well yes that would probably be appropriate. I would like to keep the tags in the mainspace article as much as possible even for longer articles which have missing sections. Even for longer articles I think the tag can be added to sections where content is missing. However there are a far fewer articles which may already have a full article but may lack comprehension. Really the main purpose for the tags is to be slapped onto stubs or start class articles or lacking sections of articles etc which have content on other wikipedia. So at present I wouldn't mention it just explain that the tag is to be applied to an article or section which is missing vital information from another wikipedia. That should cover most of it. The templates really are intended to be administered to the worst articles or most lacking articles first so at present that shouldn't be a primary concern I think. Dr. Blofeld      White cat 15:49, 17 February 2009 (UTC)

Doesn't help though when stubborn people like User:D6 who are starting a mass of stubs on German lakes refuse to even add the tag to their ugly stubs. Dr. Blofeld      White cat 16:19, 17 February 2009 (UTC) Just goes to show that the old system failed miserably. I always thought this but I wasn't bold enough to do anything to revamp it myself except create my own system of "instant" translation. We were missing a bridge between wikipedias which these templates can now serve as. Not sure what you want me to do can you provide me a list you are working through? Dr. Blofeld      White cat 19:47, 17 February 2009 (UTC) I'm not too surre about the translated article thing in the talk page. People will add it like Talk:Bernardo Rodríguez y Alfaro and not know anything about documentation. (I gather you add|article and "es") but many won't know. In my view it is more important they state in the references that the articles was trnaslated from another wikipedia. Dr. Blofeld      White cat 20:04, 17 February 2009 (UTC)

Yes I agree, just the documentation needs explaining. Keeping a record of translated articles is good too to show progression although I'm sure sure how many will follow the guidelines. Anyway I'm off out for a bit, perhaps Mr. Herring can use AWB to rid of those old (dinosaur old) requests later. Dr. Blofeld      White cat 20:12, 17 February 2009 (UTC)


 * Right - I'll hold off on that, then.


 * What about AWB-tagging the German place stubs for expansion? Cursory glance reveals that most of the ones in most of the categories I checked could stand significant expansion.  Do you think it's a worthy enterprise? --User:AlbertHerring Io son l'orecchio e tu la bocca: parla! 20:30, 17 February 2009 (UTC)


 * OK - I'll plan on a flurry of activity this evening, then. --User:AlbertHerring Io son l'orecchio e tu la bocca: parla! 20:44, 17 February 2009 (UTC)


 * Sounds like a great idea.


 * (Sorry to be little more than a yes-man, but I'm afraid all of these coding things are far beyond my little brain. I didn't even know something like you suggested was implementable.) --User:AlbertHerring Io son l'orecchio e tu la bocca: parla! 20:52, 17 February 2009 (UTC)

Well of course all articles needing translating should be fed into one cat by wikipedia, but I don't see why it wouldn't hurt to create sub categories by topic to all ow editors to translate articles they are interested in. I do however want to keep it as simple as possible, creating too much sub categories might confuse things but as long as it is primary sub categories I don't mind if you wanted to do that Dr. Blofeld       White cat 21:11, 17 February 2009 (UTC)

Well geography is my main area of concern certainly, but I work in many other areas other than this on wikipedia, biographies from the sciences and arts for one, museums, roads, churches etc. If we intend to tag articles to ensure the goal is as productive as possible then in the end I doubt it would be just be for geographical articles it would be a mixed bag so to speak, even if I initially think they are one of our priorities. There are though 60 templates and if you create even 5 sub categories for each, thats 300 categories than need creating and maintenance. I would probably keep it simple but ensure that we tag articles fairly over the range of subjects rather than centering entirely on geography -I'm sure interested editors can find something from the category they are interested in, besides which some subjects overlap of course. Dr. Blofeld       White cat 21:18, 17 February 2009 (UTC)

Magazine feedback
Thanks for giving some feedback. I hope you will return to discuss the matter further.--TonyTheTiger (t/c/bio/WP:CHICAGO/WP:LOTM) 23:31, 16 February 2009 (UTC)
 * It would be great to archive the conversation in one place. I am going to copy your response and place mine at the discussion page.  I hope you saw my sample navbox.--TonyTheTiger (t/c/bio/WP:CHICAGO/WP:LOTM) 22:19, 20 February 2009 (UTC)
 * Yes I need a lot of help identifying models. Please see the current sample template and look for months with "et al." or with ? or blank.  Then go to the Vogue website cover archive and help me fill it in.--TonyTheTiger (t/c/bio/WP:CHICAGO/WP:LOTM) 22:43, 20 February 2009 (UTC)
 * here is one I could not figure out by myself. From there you should be able to bounce around.--TonyTheTiger (t/c/bio/WP:CHICAGO/WP:LOTM) 22:50, 20 February 2009 (UTC)
 * Please help fill in the navbox with this type of info.--TonyTheTiger (t/c/bio/WP:CHICAGO/WP:LOTM) 22:59, 20 February 2009 (UTC)
 * Thanks for the help. Can you look at the one for the 90s.--TonyTheTiger (t/c/bio/WP:CHICAGO/WP:LOTM) 23:12, 20 February 2009 (UTC)
 * I certainly can't start slapping this on pages with easily identifyable covers on a cover archive left unidentified. Any help you can lend is fine. I am sure you will get some of the ones I left blank.--TonyTheTiger (t/c/bio/WP:CHICAGO/WP:LOTM) 23:22, 20 February 2009 (UTC)
 * That is a good format and it covers us if others feel strongly about more editions. Looking at a page like Lily Donaldson, I wonder if Australia, Japan and China might not be important to people. I will tinker with it tonight.  I have got to get back to doing my taxes.--TonyTheTiger (t/c/bio/WP:CHICAGO/WP:LOTM) 23:45, 20 February 2009 (UTC)
 * P.S. Do you know a source for other Vogue cover archives online?--TonyTheTiger (t/c/bio/WP:CHICAGO/WP:LOTM) 23:46, 20 February 2009 (UTC)
 * Would you mind if I merged yours into mine as opposed to mine into yours.--TonyTheTiger (t/c/bio/WP:CHICAGO/WP:LOTM) 23:57, 20 February 2009 (UTC)
 * I am working on it here User:TonyTheTiger/2000-2009VogueCovers.--TonyTheTiger (t/c/bio/WP:CHICAGO/WP:LOTM) 03:22, 21 February 2009 (UTC)
 * Thanks for your latest efforts. Remember that before this goes to the main space we have to chang e the links so that they are not going to redirects or dabs.  This is because the name will only appear in bold at the bottom of the page if you are linked to the exact page it is on.--TonyTheTiger (t/c/bio/WP:CHICAGO/WP:LOTM) 01:47, 22 February 2009 (UTC)

Generating categories
Sure - I can try and do that. May take a little while, though - what do you need me to do? --User:AlbertHerring Io son l'orecchio e tu la bocca: parla! 20:58, 17 February 2009 (UTC)
 * OK - give me a little while and I'll work something up for you. --User:AlbertHerring Io son l'orecchio e tu la bocca: parla! 21:02, 17 February 2009 (UTC)
 * A potential argument for at least broad categories: Using my mother as an example - she's done some translation from Russian, and there are things she's not interested in working on.  Like athletes, for instance, or military figures - she'd rather do something about a writer or an artist.  That's on the one hand; on the other, we don't want to make things too complicated.


 * Honestly, I'm not that passionate about it; if you think they'll be too much work, perhaps it's best to leave them out of it altogether. --User:AlbertHerring Io son l'orecchio e tu la bocca: parla! 21:41, 17 February 2009 (UTC)

Yes thats better using small text too and will undoubtedly make it easier for people to understand. I have actually been experiencing your changes as I'm adding the german templates to one line swiss stubs at present and have seen your progression! Looking good. Dr. Blofeld      White cat 22:34, 17 February 2009 (UTC)

Hi Jen thanks. I just found out that she died just minutes ago. So Sad, but it was expected. Dr. Blofeld      White cat 20:37, 20 February 2009 (UTC)

Translation requests
Please stop removing translation requests. Those requests are put there for a reason, and you shouldn't be removing them just because you don't think there's anything useful in the other article. Thanks. ··· 日本穣 ? · Talk to Nihonjoe 05:32, 19 February 2009 (UTC)

10 vs 20
Noticing Catherine Deneuve in the current decade template makes me wonder if successful celebrities will end up with six or seven of these if we do ten year groupings.--TonyTheTiger (t/c/bio/WP:CHICAGO/WP:LOTM) 08:12, 22 February 2009 (UTC)
 * Do you think there are others who would have the same problem (maybe Susan Sarandon or Helen Mirren). P.S. Where is Halle Berry?  conspicuously absent from the A-list celebs on U.S. vogue so far.--TonyTheTiger (t/c/bio/WP:CHICAGO/WP:LOTM) 16:29, 22 February 2009 (UTC)
 * I was thinking that maybe we should make a list of people who should not have it placed directly on their page. Maybe for people like Obama and actresses we should drop a talk page note that the template ishttp://en.wikipedia.org/skins-1.5/common/images/button_sig.png available.  Some might want it and some might not.--TonyTheTiger (t/c/bio/WP:CHICAGO/WP:LOTM) 03:01, 23 February 2009 (UTC)

Bot
Hi Jen. Ideally I would not only like a translation bot to administer tags to existing articles but I was also hoping for some scheme where it could generate lists of missing articles betwene wikipedias and also perhaps help stubbing them. Ask Fritz, I have no idea but he said he would be willing to help run tasks in the past. Dr. Blofeld      White cat 18:38, 22 February 2009 (UTC)

Can't think of anything offhand, NOTE though that Garion has always been a excpetionally difficult one as long as I can remember, he has a long history of objection to change or BOLD moves, my American film templates etc etc, the list goes on... Others such as MBisanz may feel differently. Dr. Blofeld      White cat 19:38, 22 February 2009 (UTC)

What are your arrangements for Norway? There are two Norwegian wikipedias but only one tag?? Dr. Blofeld       White cat 15:59, 23 February 2009 (UTC)

Yes perhaps we should make two just to avoid confusion. I have no idea what the difference is between the wikis but a lot of articles seme to have both links in. One is probably far superior to the other but if we could make that perfectly clear. Dr. Blofeld       White cat 16:03, 23 February 2009 (UTC)

Thanks
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Nice picture
Your new image on Template:Roman Catholic Mariology (long format)‎ was much better quality. Thanks. History2007 (talk) 20:11, 22 February 2009 (UTC)

Speedy deletion of Human trafficking in Kenya
A tag has been placed on Human trafficking in Kenya, requesting that it be speedily deleted from Wikipedia. This has been done under section G4 of the criteria for speedy deletion, because the article appears to be a repost of material that was previously deleted following a deletion debate, such as at articles for deletion. Under the specified criteria, where an article has substantially identical content to that of an article deleted after debate, and any changes in the content do not address the reasons for which the material was previously deleted, it may be deleted at any time.

If you think that this notice was placed here in error, you may contest the deletion by adding  to the top of the page that has been nominated for deletion (just below the existing speedy deletion or "db" tag), coupled with adding a note on the talk page explaining your position, but be aware that once tagged for speedy deletion, if the page meets the criterion it may be deleted without delay. Please do not remove the speedy deletion tag yourself, but don't hesitate to add information to the page that would would render it more in conformance with Wikipedia's policies and guidelines. Lastly, please note that if the page does get deleted, you can contact one of these admins to request that they userfy the page or have a copy emailed to you. -- Matthew Glennon (T/C\D) 15:32, 23 February 2009 (UTC)
 * Because it seemes to be a recreate of past material. It was created today, with article tags from October? -- Matthew Glennon (T/C\D) 15:35, 23 February 2009 (UTC)
 * Lets talk on that article's talkpage. -- Matthew Glennon (T/C\D) 15:39, 23 February 2009 (UTC)
 * You have a reply Talk:Human trafficking in Kenya. -- Matthew Glennon (T/C\D) 16:02, 23 February 2009 (UTC)

Flickr trolling
Have you ever trolled at www.flickr.com for covers. I just entered Vogue covers in the search and a ton of stuff came up. If you want you can create 60s and 70s templates like the current ones. Can you ID the following:


 * http://www.flickr.com/photos/zecalifairy/1804144038/
 * http://www.flickr.com/photos/21836547@N00/2390288690/

I also found the following oldies that will need templates:


 * http://www.flickr.com/photos/zecalifairy/2472567569/
 * http://www.flickr.com/photos/zecalifairy/1802658143/
 * http://www.flickr.com/photos/zecalifairy/2170749425/

What sources have you been using?--TonyTheTiger (t/c/bio/WP:CHICAGO/WP:LOTM) 16:29, 23 February 2009 (UTC)

P.S. does Dec/Jan go first or last for
 * http://www.flickr.com/photos/zecalifairy/1802619471/
 * http://www.flickr.com/photos/zecalifairy/1804144208/


 * Hey look at this!!!!!!
 * Is this a pair of alternate versions of the cover or is it a foldover cover? I think we should either exclude or put in parenthesis people not on the part of the cover viewable from the newstand. Are you going to have time for any of this today?--TonyTheTiger (t/c/bio/WP:CHICAGO/WP:LOTM) 17:25, 23 February 2009 (UTC)
 * What is this?--TonyTheTiger (t/c/bio/WP:CHICAGO/WP:LOTM) 17:45, 23 February 2009 (UTC)


 * For the 80s and 90s, I put the ones I need help identifying on the talk page. I am going to start the 70s.--TonyTheTiger (t/c/bio/WP:CHICAGO/WP:LOTM) 01:13, 24 February 2009 (UTC)
 * Are these US or German covers?--TonyTheTiger (t/c/bio/WP:CHICAGO/WP:LOTM) 18:51, 24 February 2009 (UTC)

Justification for Human Trafficing dumps
I am a bit mystified by your Kenyan justification for dumping large lumps of us pd text on unsuspecting projects like the Indonesian one - I would normally tend to the speedy angle some of the Kenyan project watchers thought about - that is a lot of 'deadend' material you are lumping around! Bad enough with 6 month old tags being dumped with them - but hey as to whether any body could be bothered doing the hard work on them -hmmm SatuSuro 01:02, 25 February 2009 (UTC)

Oh well you are getting montezumas revenge of sorts with speedy messages - I am quite concerned with http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Articles_needing_translation_from_Javanese_Wikipedia - when in the life of a hibernating polar bear are we going to get a meltdown and actually have one of these? It is as about as likely as Osama bin Laden in New York for an intervew SatuSuro 01:25, 25 February 2009 (UTC)

I note your points - and I am sure you are good and productive and positive editor - I always thought talk pages were where find out where others might be concerned about what we are doing? As it is the beginning of 40 days different living for some of us accept my apologies. Please do not do that again on the WP Indonesia project without some forewarning or explanation at the project page - thanks SatuSuro 05:07, 25 February 2009 (UTC)

Proposed deletion of Human trafficking in the Republic of Ireland
A proposed deletion template has been added to the article Human trafficking in the Republic of Ireland, suggesting that it be deleted according to the proposed deletion process
 * Delete or rewrite: While the source is in the public domain, this complete cut and paste is not an acceptable use of the source. It should either be rewritten completely using the source with other reliable sources or deleted.

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Proposed deletion of Human trafficking in Israel
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 * Delete or rewrite: While the source is in the public domain, this complete cut and paste is not an acceptable use of the source. It should either be rewritten completely using the source with other reliable sources or deleted.

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Cut and paste
Show me where "cut and paste has always been an acceptable way to start an article" either as a policy or even a guideline. While I have not checked all the other similar articles, those I looked at don't seen to have ever been improved or edited substantially since the cut and paste initial starts have been made. ww2censor (talk) 02:18, 25 February 2009 (UTC)
 * Sorry, I don't really see the points you are trying to make by your reply, I think this is just the lazy person's excuses because none of the links substantiate what you are doing. Even though the attribution template you pointed me to says: "Wikipedia uses large amounts of content from public-domain sources, it may be appropriate to use one of these templates to note the source" does not imply you can just dump PD text en masse just to create articles and walk away, I read it to say that you may use some text from these sources. It does not give you carte blanche to just copy whatever you like and paste all of it into a new article without any other input, ever. We obviously have a different view of this, but, IMHO, what you are doing in not encyclopaedic and does not enhance this wiki. (I post in one place to keep a discussion together, so am watching this page, but you can use a talkback template if you like.). ww2censor (talk) 03:05, 25 February 2009 (UTC)
 * Yes, I think we will have to agree to disagree. I think the last AFD result indicates that those like me are in the majority, but I recognize that others think it is a bad idea. Hopefully I will return to these articles, but for the moment I am occupied elsewhere. If you would like to nominate another of these for deletion as another test case, that is your prerogative. Calliopejen1 (talk) 03:09, 25 February 2009 (UTC)

Sos mi vida
Hi, Are you going to translate Sos mi vida in English form Spanish_? That's great!--Hedda Gabler (talk) 12:50, 25 February 2009 (UTC)

Vogue Template plan
I intend to go to the Chicago Public Library on Saturday. They have the most current 1 year of Vogue Italia and a historical archive of US Vogue. That will enable me to clean up Template:2000-2009VogueCovers enough to put it on articles. I am wondering if you think you might be able to get the rest of Paris Vogue in that time.--TonyTheTiger (t/c/bio/WP:CHICAGO/WP:LOTM) 01:38, 26 February 2009 (UTC)
 * There was a blacklist problem about an hour ago. What are the contradictions with http://www.whosdatedwho.com/what/magazine_view.asp?ID=232&year=2000&pageno=4 --TonyTheTiger (t/c/bio/WP:CHICAGO/WP:LOTM) 03:10, 26 February 2009 (UTC)
 * I trust US Vogue 2004-present on that site.  I had one problem in 2003.  I have to go downtown for 2000-2002, plus 2008-09 Italy. There were some multiperson ones that I need your help with at Template talk:2000-2009VogueCovers.--TonyTheTiger (t/c/bio/WP:CHICAGO/WP:LOTM) 04:15, 26 February 2009 (UTC)
 * I just noticed Italia still has some issues.--TonyTheTiger (t/c/bio/WP:CHICAGO/WP:LOTM) 04:17, 26 February 2009 (UTC)
 * For the months where you have clear pictures that you can not identify, can you put those on the talk page. I don't understand French and seem unable to surf the cite that you pointed me to or I would do it myself.--TonyTheTiger (t/c/bio/WP:CHICAGO/WP:LOTM) 06:27, 26 February 2009 (UTC)
 * I just figured out how to figured out how to navigate the site. I added the French to the talk pages.--TonyTheTiger (t/c/bio/WP:CHICAGO/WP:LOTM) 08:18, 26 February 2009 (UTC)
 * Why so many redlinked Italia models in 2008 and 2009?--TonyTheTiger (t/c/bio/WP:CHICAGO/WP:LOTM) 16:03, 27 February 2009 (UTC)

Correspondence between General Pulaski and General Washington prod
Hey, why not transwiki this to Wikisource? SMSpivey (talk) 04:01, 28 February 2009 (UTC)
 * Makes sense. It sure would be easier if I knew French/the article was in English. If it is a real thing, it should already be translated into English somewhere. I wonder if Wikisource even accepts things on its English version in French? Maybe it would since it is Washington. Meh, no matter. Have a good evening! SMSpivey (talk) 04:04, 28 February 2009 (UTC)

Also, not to be a creep-o chick, but I just read your little info and am happy to find another lady Harvardian Wikisloth in the Wikipeida ranks! SMSpivey (talk) 05:07, 28 February 2009 (UTC)

May 2007
Can you help with this picture and the names (Lily, Hilary, Doutzen, Sasha and Caroline)?--TonyTheTiger (t/c/bio/WP:CHICAGO/WP:LOTM) 17:03, 28 February 2009 (UTC)
 * P.S. I have exhausted the Chicago Public Library for 2000-2009. What do you think?--TonyTheTiger (t/c/bio/WP:CHICAGO/WP:LOTM) 17:13, 28 February 2009 (UTC)

Template:Needtrans
The template Needtrans should not be redirected to notenglish. It contains text to be inserted in the page WP:PNT to notify us that a page has been tagged with the notenglish template. --  Blanchardb - Me•MyEars•MyMouth - timed 00:55, 1 March 2009 (UTC)

Why it is worth creating these articles
Yep its great to see, I guarantee you that no one would have done it if the tags weren't there. Aside from this I've seen hundreds of my articles I've created expanded fully, For instance important articles like Xinjiang Medical University etc. For this project to grow and develop I can't stress how important creating stubs on notable topics is. Dr. Blofeld      White cat 10:15, 26 February 2009 (UTC)

Mr IP is registered to Gothenburg, Sweden. I don't know any Swedish wikipedians except Fred. I know tons of Norwegians and Finns on here but not Swedes. Dr. Blofeld      White cat 11:35, 26 February 2009 (UTC)

It really is wonderful to see isn't it. I had long looked for a way in which I could be more productive than I can be by myself and the tags seemed the best way of mass increasing content in the long term, So glad you had the knowledge to make those adjustments to them though. These tags really should be administered to as many articles as possible and as many articles should be started with the tags on as possible in my view to maximise our content. The problem is that we need a bot or two to not only distribute tags to lacking articles but we also need something which compiles lists of missing articles from other wikipedias and mass generates them. I somehow doubt that will have go ahead given the attitude of many people on here to mass increasing our content. These people should be seeing that wikipedia is all about content (and improving it) and we should be thinking of more efficient ways to mass improve wikipedia I think anyway. Sometimes it only seems like you, Albert and Editor of the Wiki share my views. Dr. Blofeld      White cat 13:40, 26 February 2009 (UTC)

What we should do is keep a record of the names of the people who have translated material and try to get them on board to develop other articles, kind of like an army of translators LOL! Dr. Blofeld       White cat 13:44, 26 February 2009 (UTC)

Thats what I was thinking! Dr. Blofeld      White cat 15:18, 26 February 2009 (UTC)

Ah yes I'd forgetten about that project. If it is inactive I would merge it with translation, perhaps leave a weeks notice on the talk page. I always hated the naming anyway, I would delete there project infrstatructure such as the boxes anyway and merge with Wp:Translation as its pretty redundant now. Dr. Blofeld      White cat 18:39, 26 February 2009 (UTC)

I have been creating some missing article lists manually but what we need is branches set up like that for each wikipedia with a database dump -to identify the number of missing articles and to generate lists of missing articles red linked. Dr. Blofeld      White cat 20:55, 26 February 2009 (UTC)


 * I'll run 'em through AWB tonight and tomorrow and fix the templates up. Shouldn't take too long. --User:AlbertHerring Io son l'orecchio e tu la bocca: parla! 18:59, 27 February 2009 (UTC)


 * Sure. Won't be for a little while, though - I have a couple of NRHP articles that I've been keeping on the back-burner for far too long, and I want to get those up and running this weekend.  Also a couple of artists from my last jaunt to the National Gallery - I have photos for them, but they need articles to go with.


 * Incidentally, I'm glad to see the fruits of our collective labors paying off here - naysayers to the contrary. Wish I could have been a bit more helpful, but these past two weeks have been madness incarnate. --User:AlbertHerring Io son l'orecchio e tu la bocca: parla! 19:04, 27 February 2009 (UTC)


 * Oh, yes - and I'd like to echo Blofeld's suggestion of creating a bot that can find content which exists on other Wikis, but which is absent from this one; I know there are bots that can search for inter-wiki links in other languages, so why not one that searches for articles that don't have an inter-wiki link for English and then compiles a list of them? Sure, it'll catch some garbage that should be deleted, but there's no reason not to have a manual oversight committee for the list. --User:AlbertHerring Io son l'orecchio e tu la bocca: parla! 19:09, 27 February 2009 (UTC)


 * That's a start - the thing about manual lists, though, is that they wouldn't be as comprehensive. In one of my more altruistic moments I made a concerted attempt to compile a list of translateable content from the French, for instance; not even a page in, I gave up - there's simply too much to look for.  Not in all languages, perhaps, but certainly in some.  A bot would, I think, be able to collate a lot more a lot more quickly, and would get the job done faster and better. --User:AlbertHerring Io son l'orecchio e tu la bocca: parla! 19:47, 27 February 2009 (UTC)

Looks good, we get new editors all the time who contribute a little, the main thing is getting these articles out there to translate. The site is used by millions of people so it is inevitable somebody will come across the article sooner or later. I'm tied at present with adding infoboxes to China and Vietnam, I've been quite surprised with the level of development of some of the Chinese cities, Kunming etc, I had thought even the main cities were of lower quality, but its getting better for sure. Still rather pathetic though if you think of the size of China and how much could be written about its places. There are of course hundreds of counties that need to be started with millions of people! Dr. Blofeld      White cat 19:51, 27 February 2009 (UTC)


 * Ah, yes - now I see. (It's from '06 - no wonder the collection of links is smaller than I thought it should be...)


 * Yes - I think that would be worth looking into for all Wikis, not just a few. (Seriously - you wouldn't believe how much content I found in Corsican.  And that's not even ten thousand articles strong!) --User:AlbertHerring Io son l'orecchio e tu la bocca: parla! 19:54, 27 February 2009 (UTC)

Yeah each of the prefecture level cities I've been going through have 2-3 million people on average many have as much as 7 million. There are likely thousands of articles missing on towns in China over 100,000 people. I've added a Chinese translation tag to Mudanjiang anyway, I haven't been looking too much on Xhinese wikipedia as I am aware it is very uneven because of their restriction. I don't know whether wikipedia is OK to access as of 2009 in China as they seem to keep banning it and rmeoving the ban. There should be a signifcant Mandarin diaspora community though that are developing chinese wiki. Potentially the Mandarin wikipedia could outscale english wikipedia some day... When China reaches its potential it really is a frightening prospect, 1.5 billion people. The country is huge and undoubtedly will lead the world within 50 years the potential of the country is unbelievable. In some respects it is starting to happen already, did you see China's performance at the Olympics? Dr. Blofeld      White cat 20:31, 27 February 2009 (UTC)

If ever you have a headache don't check out File:Cangjie2.jpg. It literally makes your eyes feel the same way! Dr. Blofeld      White cat 21:09, 27 February 2009 (UTC)


 * OK. After a false start, I did some of the French bio articles - I'll do another batch tomorrow, and maybe some of the French communes.  There are also some German articles I'm going to need to re-tag, so perhaps you want to get the subcats started for those? --User:AlbertHerring Io son l'orecchio e tu la bocca: parla! 05:14, 28 February 2009 (UTC)

I see you went ahead and started the sub categories then. Not sure why you didn't tell me about it as I never said I was against the idea I just thought it might get a little too complicated with sub categories thats all but if they are kept to a few generalised categories I think its a good idea. An example for instance is categorising a video game in the same category as a dam for Japan. Its a little odd but I hope it works out. The general categories look good though, government I gather can cover other things than politcs like censuses etc.  Dr. Blofeld       White cat 12:03, 28 February 2009 (UTC)

Ah thanks for that, I didn't see that message. I thought it odd too that you didn't say what you had done as I would have gone ahead and continued taggin without knowing about it! I've just finished tagging a canton of Switzerland anyway so we now have over 230 in the German geography articles. There seems to be around 10 cantons so I'll ave the Swiss municipalities all tagged withint a few days. For Japan only I would indeed advise creating a videogame cat. Likelihood is that some Japanese American kid or somebody would try to expand a few of them. Dr. Blofeld      White cat 14:16, 28 February 2009 (UTC) Better still create an entertainment category to cover videogames and manga and all that sort of rubbish! Dr. Blofeld      White cat 14:22, 28 February 2009 (UTC)

Can you create a category for Japanese geo articles. Could you tag most of ht elacking articles in Template:Regions and administrative divisions of Japan? Dr. Blofeld      White cat 15:44, 28 February 2009 (UTC) Amzing what is missing. FA om Portuguese. We didn't even have the article! Dr. Blofeld       White cat 17:36, 28 February 2009 (UTC) What do we do about buildings? Is there a building parameter for anywhere yet? What about struct=yes Dr. Blofeld       White cat 18:19, 28 February 2009 (UTC) Oh definately. There are massive range of articles needing transwikiying, I'm tagged about 20 German acastles so far. If you could add a struct=yes I can apply this to articles on churches, bridges, castles etc. If you could apply it to Germany, Italy, Spain and France for now. Dr. Blofeld      White cat 18:22, 28 February 2009 (UTC) One thing thoughm when you create sub cats can you do this. This way we have all the sub cats listed on the first page rather than under "F"! on page 3! Dr. Blofeld      White cat 18:24, 28 February 2009 (UTC) Another thing, can you add the documentation to categories like Category:Transportation articles needing translation from Japanese Wikipedia. E.g say to add an article to this category please add {{Expand Japanese|transport=yes etc. Just makes it easier for anybody following it thats all. Dr. Blofeld      White cat 18:32, 28 February 2009 (UTC) Looks good, the only other one I can think of is religion, but that can go under culture,  Dr. Blofeld       White cat 18:33, 28 February 2009 (UTC) yeah its shocking how virtually nobody seems to care about translating these articles. The best thing we can do is to make them care by placing these tags into the mainspace with a "in your face" kind of approach!, sometimes force is needed if we want to get results. We could literally expand at least 3-fold with text added to english wikipedia from other wikipedias alone. SOmetimes I hate cleanup tasks too, particularly with replacing the horrible old infoboxes like with Slovenian municipalities etc,  Dr. Blofeld       White cat 18:36, 28 February 2009 (UTC)
 * Let me loose with the AWB today - I can fix them. All of the ones I tagged yesterday would be "gov" anyhow, so it shouldn't take too long. --User:AlbertHerring Io son l'orecchio e tu la bocca: parla! 18:53, 28 February 2009 (UTC)

Like Branko Elsner? What do I put in the talk page? Dr. Blofeld      White cat 22:11, 28 February 2009 (UTC) Mmm sometimes when there is a mess I feel happy just deleting it. It puts the past behind us. I'd rather not have these old pages lying about. Dr. Blofeld      White cat 22:37, 28 February 2009 (UTC)

Yes indeed thats right. Thanks. Ah I meant to log off 45 minutes ago got side tracked. My head is spinning! Dr. Blofeld       White cat 22:16, 1 March 2009 (UTC)

Template usage
Do you think we need every single month? Is the 2000s ready to be used?--TonyTheTiger (t/c/bio/WP:CHICAGO/WP:LOTM) 18:55, 28 February 2009 (UTC)
 * Is there a way to make it state=collapsed if there are other templates on the page and not collapsed if it is the only one.--TonyTheTiger (t/c/bio/WP:CHICAGO/WP:LOTM) 22:14, 28 February 2009 (UTC)
 * What do you think about collapse vs. autocollapse?
 * What do you think about the following talk page message: "Template:2000-2009VogueCovers is a new template that is now available for use. It has been place on the article page for all persons who are models and on the talk page for other persons in the template.  Simply copy 2000-2009VogueCovers to the article page if you would like to use it.  Also, feel free to help us clean it up and to fill in the other templates that are linked to it in the footer section.  Each talk page has some covers that we need help identifying.  Strikethrough any of these that you are able to identify for us.  Also, please note the discussion on this template’s talk page.  This template is meant to link the leading fashion models by a navbox.  Most of them were previously unlinked."
 * Since nobody knows about it and we only want to place it on models' pages, I am letting other people decide if they want to include it. Do you think that is advisable or unadvisable?--TonyTheTiger (t/c/bio/WP:CHICAGO/WP:LOTM) 22:27, 28 February 2009 (UTC)
 * I am trying to balance the autocollapse (better for a model with appearances on many different editions) vs. collapse (maybe not so good for a model with appearances on only one edition). Originally, I was creating these for the likes of Evangelista, Moss, Crawford, but I am wondering whether it is a bad enough presentation for a model with only one edition that I should change it back.--TonyTheTiger (t/c/bio/WP:CHICAGO/WP:LOTM) 22:48, 28 February 2009 (UTC)
 * Why isn't autocollapse detecting other templates at Heidi Klum and Carolyn Murphy?--TonyTheTiger (t/c/bio/WP:CHICAGO/WP:LOTM) 23:19, 28 February 2009 (UTC)
 * It is now collapsing everywhere. If you could set up that case by case editions opening syntax, that would be great.  I need your opinions on some people like Emmanuelle Seigner, Sharon Stone, Jade Jagger, Elizabeth Hurley and Milla Jovovich.--TonyTheTiger (t/c/bio/WP:CHICAGO/WP:LOTM) 23:35, 28 February 2009 (UTC)
 * If autocollapsed should be autocollapse, why is uncollapsed with a "d" correct?--TonyTheTiger (t/c/bio/WP:CHICAGO/WP:LOTM) 02:34, 1 March 2009 (UTC)
 * P.S. not working at Missy Rayder.--TonyTheTiger (t/c/bio/WP:CHICAGO/WP:LOTM) 03:32, 1 March 2009 (UTC)
 * I misunderstood. I have to add it.  Let me try it now.--TonyTheTiger (t/c/bio/WP:CHICAGO/WP:LOTM) 07:43, 1 March 2009 (UTC)
 * It would be good if it handled multiple parameters for cases where a model is in two or three editions in a format like.
 * You should create the 2010 template. If you don't in the next few days I will.  One of us should be involved in that one too and for all your work on these efforts that might be a good one for you.--TonyTheTiger (t/c/bio/WP:CHICAGO/WP:LOTM) 23:18, 1 March 2009 (UTC)
 * Allow me to summarize my outstanding queries, since I have been confused and possibly contradicting myself.
 * Should Emmanuelle Seigner, Sharon Stone, Jade Jagger, Elizabeth Hurley and Milla Jovovich have the template for modeling efforts. Strongest cases would be MJ who has the fmd link and EH who has returned to modeling.
 * Is autocollapse working as intended for the template as a whole?
 * Is it possible to make the template recognize two parameters with a format such as ?
 * Do you want to create 2010-2019VogueCovers?
 * New issues
 * If I can do the 1990s for US next week can you find enough of the rest to go live with that template. (Chicago Public Library has microfilm.  I was looking at bound volumes with missing pages last weekend.)
 * Do you know anything about pre 1987 vogue. I can not find the cover model in the table of content page.  Where else would it be in the mag?
 * FYI, it looks like I am going to have to hike to the Evanston Library to get before 1981, which is how far back CPL goes. Evanston goes to 1953.
 * Do you have thoughts on my SI Swimsuit Templates (User:TonyTheTiger/Template:2000-2009SISwimsuit and such).--TonyTheTiger (t/c/bio/WP:CHICAGO/WP:LOTM) 08:54, 2 March 2009 (UTC)


 * Two followups
 * I just saw http://www.flickr.com/photos/jewelle_hicks/2712212500/. Is July 2008 a multi-cover edition or is Kebede on the cover of all versions?  I don't think inside covers count if it is not.
 * I found your response to be pretty funny. I don't think all prada girls are on the itty  bitty t!##y committee any more than all weightlifters are part of the angry inch club.  However, due to the resemblance of her Vogue cover to one of my favorite talents, I was thinking about how similar Lily Donaldson and Heather Graham look in the face.  Yes Lily might have trouble making a living on the swimsuit circuit from what I see File:Lily donaldson supermodel fashion week new york photo by christopher peterson.jpg, but I bet Heather could have.  However, in general the prada girls have pretty faces and hair than my SI gals.  However, the SI gals have pretty faces than anyone who would find me irresistable and the prada girls on whole have better bodies than most of my former girlfriends. I may put the 90s out with the minimal info we have for Italy if I can fill in the US and hope for help.--TonyTheTiger (t/c/bio/WP:CHICAGO/WP:LOTM) 04:39, 3 March 2009 (UTC)

I think I have figured out the contradiction in that link that you gave but were not confident in. I believe it does not distinguish between magazine covers and supplement covers. Please see Template:1990-1999VogueCovers and see if you can confirm whether your sources were truly covers given the current set of Italia info. I tried to include links on the talk page.--TonyTheTiger (t/c/bio/WP:CHICAGO/WP:LOTM) 23:44, 3 March 2009 (UTC)
 * What does "Commercial" mean. Does it mean conventionally attractive?  On The L Word, they describe women as having faces that look like they belong on the cover of Maxim.  There are women are are not conventionally attractive who could get women to buy prada.  I think Selma Blair (who actually has a Vogue cover) is unconventional.  I also think Emily Mortimer would be a star model although not conventionally attractive in some senses.--TonyTheTiger (t/c/bio/WP:CHICAGO/WP:LOTM) 23:50, 3 March 2009 (UTC)
 * Whatever type of beauty a cover appearance represents, I am a bit worried about Vogue's representation of the history of beautiful women if Beyonce, Jessica Alba and Eva Longoria are not included for this decade in US Vogue and Julia Roberts has not been included it yet (although I am not done with the 90s). I think the other Vogue's have misrepresented the historical account of beauty without including Adriana Lima, Oluchi, Alessandra Ambrosio and a few others of those Top 20 sexys.--TonyTheTiger (t/c/bio/WP:CHICAGO/WP:LOTM) 15:57, 4 March 2009 (UTC)

Image
Hi, You provided such a nice image for the other template, I wonder if you have a better image for this as well. This one looks faded compared to what you had for teh other template. Thanks. History2007 (talk) 13:20, 1 March 2009 (UTC)


 * Thanks. Is that image public domain? Are all Naional Gallery images public if they are really old? If so I will grab a few others too. History2007 (talk) 18:38, 1 March 2009 (UTC)


 * Thank you. I will try that image to see how it looks. History2007 (talk) 05:10, 3 March 2009 (UTC)

Obraz deletion
I am not sure about Wikipedia polices for treating articles of fascist organizations. This is a Serbian ultra nationalistic organization acting against the current constitution. Also, the article was obviously written by some member of Obraz as it is written in a compassionate way and does not present the TRUE activities of the Organization. For example, on their website, which is here used as a reference, you can find the program of a typical ultra nationalistic organization and I firmly believe that this should not be the material which Wikipedia should deal with.

Then let it be, I won't oppose your policy, I think that the article is not written properly, it presents a terrorist organization and it's program, and my opinion is that it should be deleted. Having these things in the 21 century is a shame of our society and a shame for this encyclopedia. I rest my case.

Miloš Pavlović 15:09, 4 March 2009 (UTC)

Featured_picture_candidates/September_11_Attacks_Memorial
As you had not replied in the nomination, I just wanted to confirm your opinion. Does the image not meet the requirements of fair use because each of the works is sufficiently low res? As Papa Lima Whisky mentioned, I think it would be hard to say that the overall 'design' of the memorial is owned by anyone, as they were likely hung on the fence at random. Therefore, would it not be free because the fair use components are individually only small parts of the overall composition? Diliff  | (Talk)   (Contribs) 12:30, 4 March 2009 (UTC)

Repost of Template:Models.com
A tag has been placed on requesting that it be speedily deleted from Wikipedia, because it appears to be a repost of material that was previously deleted following a deletion discussion. If you can indicate how it is different from the previously posted material, place the template hangon underneath the other template on the article and put a note on the page's discussion page saying why this article should stay. Administrators will look at your reasoning before deciding what to do with the page. If you believe the original discussion was unjustified, please contact the administrator who deleted the page or use deletion review instead of continuing to recreate the page. Thank you.  Mbinebri  talk &larr; 19:21, 4 March 2009 (UTC)

TfD nomination of Template:Models.com
Template:Models.com has been nominated for deletion. You are invited to comment on the discussion at the template's entry on the Templates for Deletion page. Thank you.  Mbinebri  talk &larr; 21:29, 4 March 2009 (UTC)
 * Have you commented on this one?--TonyTheTiger (t/c/bio/WP:CHICAGO/WP:LOTM) 06:44, 6 March 2009 (UTC)

Carré Otis
I have not thought about how someone on an unfinished template might like to have it ont their page. The Carré Otis editors are very excited it seems.--TonyTheTiger (t/c/bio/WP:CHICAGO/WP:LOTM) 06:43, 6 March 2009 (UTC)
 * Do you think we should be placing unfinished templates on articles?--TonyTheTiger (t/c/bio/WP:CHICAGO/WP:LOTM) 16:17, 6 March 2009 (UTC)

Marcelle
Who is Marcelle? Marcelle Bittar??--TonyTheTiger (t/c/bio/WP:CHICAGO/WP:LOTM) 06:56, 7 March 2009 (UTC)
 * There is no picture. I was hoping that the context of the article might help you to help me.--TonyTheTiger (t/c/bio/WP:CHICAGO/WP:LOTM) 16:15, 7 March 2009 (UTC)
 * P.S. I am trying to fill in List of Victoria's Secret Fashion Show Models.--TonyTheTiger (t/c/bio/WP:CHICAGO/WP:LOTM) 09:08, 7 March 2009 (UTC)
 * Thanks for reminding me about IMDB. It has helped me fill in most of the chart.  Do you know if the 1999 model referred to in one website as Anna Claudia is Ana Claudia Talancón or Ana Cláudia Michels.  It seems more likely that it is the latter, but I am not sure.--TonyTheTiger (t/c/bio/WP:CHICAGO/WP:LOTM) 19:57, 7 March 2009 (UTC)
 * Also, feel free to comment on Featured list candidates/List of Victoria's Secret Fashion Show models. If you know of any source to make the article more complete let me know.--TonyTheTiger (t/c/bio/WP:CHICAGO/WP:LOTM) 03:47, 8 March 2009 (UTC)

Peer review/Billie Jean/archive1
This might interest you. I'm not overtly involved with it, I did a little clean up before GA. Would be nice to see such an iconic song reach FA. Kind regards. — R  2  14:21, 7 March 2009 (UTC)

Picture
Yes I was only thinking yesterday again what a wonderful contrast the sand is agians the sky. Usually the awesome images though have faults which stop them from becoming FP's.  Dr. Blofeld       White cat 16:28, 6 March 2009 (UTC)

That in my view is a much better idea. We have so many amazing images yet barely any of them pass the strict requirements. They'll promote a photo of a guy who looks like a lego man in a golf bunker or some shabby looking roller coaster in a theme park yet a stunning scenery which may not have perfect lighting or technically perfect but a fantastic scene will not. I'm glad to see something being done towards this  Dr. Blofeld       White cat 16:39, 6 March 2009 (UTC)

Do you think if we uploaded this it would also stand a chance? It looks flawless to me. I've uploaded it at File:SunsetoverNouakchott.jpg. Probably not perfect enough?? Dr. Blofeld      White cat 12:56, 7 March 2009 (UTC)

Actually with the arrondisements template I had intended doing that once I had finished. It just means clicking open every single time now to access the red links. Dr. Blofeld      White cat 18:53, 7 March 2009 (UTC)

Yes occasionally I do make them, usually when I haven't applied the sub pagename thing. I'm making good progress with Africa especially Western Africa don't ya think? Dr. Blofeld      White cat 20:45, 7 March 2009 (UTC) There tons of sources in Arabic on him. Looks like one of the country's leading businessmen owning hotels and supermarkets. A google search in English would show notabilty anyway, There is even his palace in Rabat on wikimapia with the coordinates,  Dr. Blofeld       White cat 23:09, 8 March 2009 (UTC)

Merge of Americas templates
Hi Calliopejen,

I really think the North America and South America templates should not redirect to the Americas templates. Think of articles like Languages of North America; without a separate North America template, there is no link to that article.

Neelix (talk) 03:57, 8 March 2009 (UTC)

Yes, that was a big mistake - my template-based links to the articles List of mammals of North America and List of mammals of South America have been destroyed. See:

Please revert the redirects ASAP. WolfmanSF (talk) 10:01, 8 March 2009 (UTC)


 * Hi Calliope,


 * A like the addition of the North America and South America links, but there's another problem: the "in topic" templates are ending up malformatted. I'm not quite sure how this can be fixed. See Public holidays in Chile for an example.


 * Neelix (talk) 15:46, 8 March 2009 (UTC)
 * That was a double-redirect problem - fixed now. Calliopejen1 (talk) 19:25, 8 March 2009 (UTC)

Please eliminate the redirects. Anyone who wants to use the "Americas" template can, but you have no right to prevent people from using more restrictive templates if they would prefer to. Otherwise, why not just redirect all the continental templates to a single template for the planet? WolfmanSF (talk) 02:08, 9 March 2009 (UTC)

New Template
What do you think of Template:2000-2009VSFashion Show?--TonyTheTiger (t/c/bio/WP:CHICAGO/WP:LOTM) 15:54, 8 March 2009 (UTC)
 * There is no doubt that being an angel is more significant. However, in terms of linking the leading models, this is a great navbox.--TonyTheTiger (t/c/bio/WP:CHICAGO/WP:LOTM) 19:55, 8 March 2009 (UTC)
 * You are comparing a show that is notable enough to warrant its own list and a national television broadcast to a common fashion show. It would be like saying Vogue covers and Shape covers are equally linking.  BTW, any thoughts on Anna Claudia above?--TonyTheTiger (t/c/bio/WP:CHICAGO/WP:LOTM) 20:20, 8 March 2009 (UTC)
 * This navbox gets the runway starlets. Vogue gets the covergirl starlets.  SI Swimsuit gets the swimsuit models.  I don't know how to capture other significant segments of the modelling industry with significant events, but these give most types of successful fashion models a shot at being linked to other models.--TonyTheTiger (t/c/bio/WP:CHICAGO/WP:LOTM) 20:23, 8 March 2009 (UTC)
 * I apologize. I am not a fashionista. I am a guy who watches Super Bowls and remembers VS commercials. When Chanel couture starts having super bowl commercials, when the Chanel article has a separate section for this fashion show, when the Chanel show becomes notable enough to have an annual national television broadcast, when the Chanel show becomes notable enough to warrant its own list of models, I will change my tune. For WP purposes it is not as notable, IMO.  Remember, when we start adding all kinds of related fashion shows then the TfDs start throwing the baby out with the bathwater.  Lets be selective in pursuing templates.  I am confessing, I would not know what the big fashion week shows are and what the big off season shows are.  However, the average WP reader considers the VS show the biggest of the year.  I fall in that camp.--TonyTheTiger (t/c/bio/WP:CHICAGO/WP:LOTM) 20:48, 8 March 2009 (UTC)

←Let me apologize if I seemed a bit snarky earlier today. I know that the Chanel Couture show is likely considered to be one of the more important shows just by the context of your argument. My thinking is this. We need to use those template that help the reader to understand the subjects place in the modeling world at a glance. We need to be mindful of actual clutter and of random people looking to shoot down the templates at TfD for whatever reasons. Thus, we need to keep in mind that if we start adding a lot of seemingly random extra templates we could lose many of them in TfDs. Keep in mind the TfD electorate is not likely going to be a bunch of Fashion people if things get heated. If there is serious thought given to these being a bunch of useless clutter, then we are going to be dealing with people like me who don't know which fashion shows are most important. They will just know that 20th Century babes made waves in the Swimsuit Issue and 21st Century babes made waves in the VS fashion show. They probably see enough pretty faces standing in line at the grocery store to understnad the whole Vogue thing. That should give us what we need to get all the world class supermodels linked. If we start throwing in templates for things that they don't know about, we are going to piss people off who will then get our stuff trashed. I don't know the Chanel Show. I know more about fashion than the average TfD voter. Thus, I don't think it is a good idea. Again, I am sorry if I offended you with my commentary on the show.--TonyTheTiger (t/c/bio/WP:CHICAGO/WP:LOTM) 04:45, 9 March 2009 (UTC)
 * I am just learning this whole fashion show thing, but didn't Spring 2009 happen last fall and Fall 2009 happen last month? In terms of WP, where the most popular topics (WP:GT and WP:FT) are The Simpsons, best-sellers may be more important than award-winners.  However, I realize that with the templates we are building, models that do not even have pages such a Trish Goff may soon have pages with enough templates to fall somewhere between Lonnie Smith and Robert Horry.  However, I think someone like Trish Goff should have a half decent WP bio.  She has had a bunch of 1990s Vogue covers and been in the VS show in two decades.  People should be able to look her up.  These templates will make that possible.  I kind of thought that once I got you in the Vogue camp, you would be a supporter for VS.  Also, I had kind of hoped for your support on the FLC of the current VS list.  The VS lists are getting a lot of editorial assistance.  Other editors are coming by to clean them up.  This did not happen with Vogue.  Many people must consider them a resource.  BTW, you should build an article for the Chanel Couture show so I can learn about it.

Classless Inter-Domain Routing
Why did you move the Classless Inter-Domain Routing article to its lowercase version without discussion? I believe this is improper as the term is clearly a proper noun. There is only one CIDR concept or implementation and the term is the standards-based name of the method. Kbrose (talk) 04:40, 9 March 2009 (UTC)

Politicians
What should politicians be classed under topic=gov or topic=bio? I will be aiming to add a huge amount of Swedish politicians from swedish wiki in a few days so if you could create one for Sweden. Dr. Blofeld      White cat 14:16, 9 March 2009 (UTC)

Fine then I'll clutter the main category. Dr. Blofeld      White cat 15:39, 9 March 2009 (UTC)

I had intended to do some this afternoon, I meant "within" a few days, perhaps I can get the "A's" for the Central Party started this avo. If you are busy I guess I can do Albania now, whatever you are happy with but I need to know what documentaation to add for politicians anyway. Dr. Blofeld      White cat 15:43, 9 March 2009 (UTC)

The reason why is I've successfully started over 40 articles already and they have all been expanded by the looks of it by TOmas e see here for example Dr. Blofeld       White cat 15:46, 9 March 2009 (UTC)

Thanks there are about 800 articles to transwiki, given the success of the ones to date I feel more confident starting them. Dr. Blofeld      White cat 15:47, 9 March 2009 (UTC)

Yep a pleasant surprise. Can you blue link the new cat then? Dr. Blofeld      White cat 15:53, 9 March 2009 (UTC)

Yes I just blue linked it as I've started around 6 or 7 in the last few minutes. Dr. Blofeld      White cat 16:02, 9 March 2009 (UTC)

Well seems he hasn't done all of them, he seems to have a done a good amount though. Dr. Blofeld      White cat 16:49, 9 March 2009 (UTC)

Hi! Well I was going to do a few Central/South American painters and poets, I've done a lot of Peruvian poets etc already. By next port of call aside from the Swedish politicians will be the List of Lithuanian painters. Would you be too bored with Spanish politicians? I have the full missing wiki list of missing ones in my user space. Name a topic and I'll be happy to start them. I would like to learn Spanish, French and Italian flunetly too! I know I am going to get "spamming" or "bot" comparison complaints every now and then to to mass creating articles with little content but I'm sure the people who count on here am fully aware of what my goals are in the long term. We just seriously need to do something about making this translation project more of an important thing on here as you and I both know we could expand four-fold from content on other wikis alone. P.S> I donated a lovely Bengal tiger to your friend Tony the Tiger for his help with your model thing. Dr. Blofeld      White cat 21:33, 10 March 2009 (UTC)

Vogue Template
Tomorrow or Wednesday, I am going downtown to see if I can find the rest of the 1990s American Vogue covergirls on microfilm. If all goes well, I will then add the 1990s templates to the articles and hope for help cleaning the rest of it up.--TonyTheTiger (t/c/bio/WP:CHICAGO/WP:LOTM) 19:28, 9 March 2009 (UTC)
 * There is order in the universe. I have found a Julia Roberts cover (June 1994).  There must be some Meg Ryans too.  I'll have to keep going.--TonyTheTiger (t/c/bio/WP:CHICAGO/WP:LOTM) 17:07, 10 March 2009 (UTC)
 * Except for about two or three months, the 1990s are done. I admit, I may have missed a few models from multi-person covers after 1996, however.--TonyTheTiger (t/c/bio/WP:CHICAGO/WP:LOTM) 18:12, 10 March 2009 (UTC)

File source problem with File:Size projection, en Wikipedia, as of Jun 2003.png
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Hydrogen_internal_combustion_engine_vehicle

 * Hi, the article is upcoming Talk:Hydrogen_internal_combustion_engine_vehicle Cheers.Mion (talk) 11:33, 10 March 2009 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Do you speak French?
Please see http://stats.grok.se/en/latest/Wikipedia:Do_you_speak_French%3F. It says: "Do_you_speak_French? has been viewed 25 times in 200902." The article has been actively read, even if not actively edited. -- Wavelength (talk) 00:17, 11 March 2009 (UTC)

"our article is better developed than that one" message
Calliopejen:

Today you left an edit message on the discussion page of the Soviet war in Afghanistan article. It says "our article is better developed than that one," but I cannot see that you contributed anything to the discussion. I am curious as to what your message means (of course the entire article is a mess, but that is something else altogether). Thanks. Kenmore (talk) 03:30, 13 March 2009 (UTC)

Model External links
I noticed that you have started some model pages. You should use Modelref for the external links. See Frankie Rayder to see how it looks.--TonyTheTiger (t/c/bio/WP:CHICAGO/WP:LOTM) 06:03, 13 March 2009 (UTC)

Spanish
I wasn't going to comment but its when editors pop up at every chance they get to criticise. What bugs me is when people imply that "I leave the work to others to do" or am "disruptive" and "not helping" wikipedia. It really bugs me when they have no idea of the work I have done overall for wikipedia. Friday is the sort of editor who ran to grab admin tools and quite frankly does little to develop wikipedia but hangs out at ANI complaining about people. These are the sort of editors I loathe. Its just this hostile attitude towards creating stubs I dislike, the traffic of wikipedia is immense and why shouldn't anybody visiting the pages add a little to help wikipedia. I do far more than my fair share of work on here cleaning up existing articles let alone creating them, you know this its just these people have no idea. A stub is only "useless" unril it is expanded. The direct links are there to instantly translate and expand it by anybody in the world. I'll scout about for some missing Latin painters I think. Dr. Blofeld       White cat 11:36, 11 March 2009 (UTC)

The biggest request I have for a fuller article is probably Fuertaventura if you want a long term one to work on gradually. OK heres a few for you to tackle! Perhaps you should created a topic=bio parameter for Spanish.

Somebody has engine translated one already José Luis Zorrilla de San Martín. Perhaps you may want to do that one first, it doesn't even look like a google translation judging by the quality.

Costa Rican painters:


 * Rafael Ángel García ✅
 * Jorge Gallardo ✅
 * Rafael Sáenz Rodríguez
 * Roberto Spinosa
 * César Valverde Vega

Costa Rican architects:
 * Juan Bernal Ponce✅
 * Ibo Bonilla
 * Édgar Brenes
 * Víctor Cañas

Uruguayan sculptors:
 * Bernardo de Legarda ✅
 * Pablo Atchugarry ✅
 * José Belloni
 * Águeda Dicancro
 * Claudio Silveira Silva
 * Mariví Ugolino
 * José Luis Zorrilla de San Martín

Venezuelan sculptors:


 * Fernando Asián
 * Lía Bermúdez
 * Alejandro Colina
 * Narciso Debourg
 * Juan Loyola
 * Julio Maragall
 * Francisco Narváez
 * Cornelis Zitman

Guatemalan literature:


 * Virgilio Rodríguez Macal ✅
 * Carazamba ✅
 * Manuel José Leonardo Arce Leal
 * Rafael Arévalo Martínez
 * Arqueles Vela
 * José Batres Montúfar
 * José María Bonilla
 * Flavio Herrera✅
 * Francisco Antonio de Fuentes y Guzmán
 * Franz Galich
 * María Josefa García Granados
 * Javier Payeras
 * Juan Diéguez Olaverri
 * Mario Payeras
 * Adolfo Méndez Vides
 * Benedicto Pozuelos Gil
 * Rodrigo Rey Rosa
 * Virgilio Rodríguez Beteta
 * E. Antonio Romero
 * Carlos Solórzano✅
 * Carol Zardetto

Ecuadorian physicians


 * Fernando Jurado Noboa
 * Juan Tanca Marengo

Honduran anthropology
 * Instituto Hondureño de Antropología e Historia✅

Yeah I know absolutely what you mean about "building an army". We need armies of people to translate these articles I create and existing stubs. Creating projects for most of the main languages is a great idea as is spamming all the people who have "I speak Spanish" infoboxes in their user space. I don't care how many people we notify but we have to assert some sort of aggression with this and make it more publicised. I would be willing to bet there will be a fair number interested in such projects, we just need to find them! Dr. Blofeld      White cat 14:28, 11 March 2009 (UTC)

Great I had no idea you were online yet. I am going to get a lot of criticism for creating these stubs but I am going to have to ignore it completely if we are to make any headway long term. In reality this work should be autmatically created by a bot allowing us to concentrate on translating and expanding them. Without a doubt if English wikipedia is to improve it has to become coordinated with the other wikipedias as few people seem to realise what exists already in other languages or are just ignorant towards the other wikipedias. If most of my time is spent on here making bridges and starting articles on their way then so be it, I don't see many others bothering to make the first step. Dr. Blofeld      White cat 15:12, 11 March 2009 (UTC)

Yes Martin is not done yet I only did the first few sentences. Basically I replaced it with a google translate and removed the translated tag to the talk page. Dr. Blofeld      White cat 15:15, 11 March 2009 (UTC)

What I'd be very grateful of is if you couls notify the relative wikiprojects and link the articles needing translation on their to do lists and add sections encouraging people to translate. If for instance you could edit WikiProject Lithuania and update fwith new instructions this would be great. We need to leave sections on project pages like this to instruct editors how to add a tag to an articles needing translation and also how to translate articles form other wikipedias using the categories. The more traffic directed towards them the better. Dr. Blofeld      White cat 16:11, 11 March 2009 (UTC)

So just the tags need removing? Can that be done by AWB? BTW have you considered asking the operator of User:Alexbot, you know the bot which links wikis together if he is interested in translation taggin too? Dr. Blofeld      White cat 16:48, 11 March 2009 (UTC)

WHY DO I PUT UP WITH THE CONSTANT COMPLAINTS?. This is really getting to me now. Dr. Blofeld      White cat 19:47, 11 March 2009 (UTC)

Yeah its stupid why they tagged those featured articles. I would ask somebody to remove it by bot. An article translated from Tamil wiki about Britain though is laughable. Have you noticed though that people discuss things very freely and bitch about me or my edits until I turn up at such complaints. As with ANI when I turn up strangely enough very few seem to want to comment on it further. Perhaps they see the sense? Dr. Blofeld      White cat 20:56, 11 March 2009 (UTC)

Thats good thanks for that, How is the translation going? Dr. Blofeld      White cat 12:02, 16 March 2009 (UTC)

Greetings
I think I failed the WP:AGF and WP:CIVILITY in your perception of the world, from our last interaction - so needless to say Category:Featured articles needing translation from Indonesian Wikipedia leaves me completely and utterly apoplectic to say the least, (further if i realise you werent such a sensitive type) if I am to remain AGF and civil - I would ask you to at least please go to the project talk page when creating what is potentially a nightmare for the project. Have a nice day as they used to say SatuSuro 00:02, 13 March 2009 (UTC)

Thank you very much for your civil response - I am short on time to check what you have mentioned - hope to get into the gist of it in a day or two - please have a good weekend whatever you are up to - and thanks for putting up with me SatuSuro 02:50, 13 March 2009 (UTC)

Basically I think the guy is saying ignore Indonesian wiki. Dr. Blofeld      White cat 12:03, 16 March 2009 (UTC)

Bohumil Šťastný
Hello Jen. I've expanded that article a bit, it's still a stub, but not so pitiful, I hope :) Would you mind to check my English? Best. --Vejvančický (talk) 19:19, 13 March 2009 (UTC)

Lauren Hutton
At Lauren Hutton's FMD page some of her covers have full dates and some have month year. I was not sure how to fill in our templates. Feel free to correct them and explain to me what is going on.--TonyTheTiger (t/c/bio/WP:CHICAGO/WP:LOTM) 20:59, 13 March 2009 (UTC)
 * There are a couple models from the 60s and 70s with this issue (see template talk pages). Do you know what is going on.--TonyTheTiger (t/c/bio/WP:CHICAGO/WP:LOTM) 09:11, 16 March 2009 (UTC)

"needed" translations
That's heroic work you're doing culling these, though i still think a massacre would be better! Johnbod (talk) 17:32, 14 March 2009 (UTC)


 * Thanks and keep up the good work with this. -Fnlayson (talk) 19:25, 14 March 2009 (UTC)
 * Do you have consensus for removing these? I wonder how WP:ECHO feels... — Ed 17  (Talk /  Contribs)  01:45, 15 March 2009 (UTC)

History of the automobile
Hi. I don't read Macedonian very well and only looked briefly at a comparison of the English article with The Macedonian version. I was immediately struck by the superior-quality Benz image as compared to  though I also noticed differences in the number of wheels and the controls of the two vehicles. See also this pic in the article on Bertha Benz--. So maybe we do in fact need to look carefully at some of these comparisons instead of assuming the rather sloppy English article is good enough. Should such matters be raised on the Talk page where there is already discussion of how to improve the article? Cheers Bjenks (talk) 02:34, 15 March 2009 (UTC)
 * Thanks for your suggestions. I really don't see a role for the translation tag. It's not as though Macedonians were great car innovators:) However, I'm planning to try a radical revamp of the article (having already discussed same). It had not fully occurred to me that other wikips could be a source of pics (yes, via Commons) and other worthy elements. As a separate but related issue&mdash;Do you know of any policy or guideline about using Machine translation as an aid to comprehension in external-link references. Eg, see my recent (hesitant) edits of this Cheers Bjenks (talk) 00:32, 16 March 2009 (UTC)

Philippine–American War‎
Re your comment ikn the edit summary here, perhaps the articles should be merged. -- Boracay Bill (talk) 12:14, 15 March 2009 (UTC)

NowCommons: File:Sewardhighway.jpg
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Talkback
Computerjoe 's talk 19:25, 16 March 2009 (UTC)

Carabane
Hi Calliope,

Thanks! It's always good to know that someone appreciates my efforts. Hopefully I'll be able to take the time to get it up to featured status in the near future.

Neelix (talk) 22:11, 16 March 2009 (UTC)