User talk:Calthinus/Archive 1

(some stuff may have been lost in the creation of this archive...)

List of active autonomist and secessionist movements
I noticed your recent edit to this section. I am o.k. with your restoring the entry on Assyrian people. But why did you All material in Wikipedia should be Verifiable. Material that does not cite reliable sources may be removed. Links should be to relevant articles. You may disagree with the views expressed in these external or internal links. If so, find sources that give other viewpoints and include them. There is nothing wrong with an article saying "Group A says x[1] while group B says y[2]." But please do not remove well-sourced material or valid and relevant links. Aymatth2 (talk) 15:06, 17 April 2009 (UTC)
 * Remove the citation for Democratic Party of Iranian Kurdistan?
 * Remove the citation for IRAN’S AZERI QUESTION: WHAT DOES IRAN’S LARGEST ETHNIC MINORITY WANT??
 * Change the "See Also" link for Azeris from the specific and relevant Iranian Azeris to the more general Azeri people?


 * OK - no problem - I see what happened. Aymatth2 (talk) 15:15, 17 April 2009 (UTC)
 * I see you have been doing a fair bit on this list. What I am trying for, although I may lose interest and not finish it, is to add at least one "proof of existence" citation for each entry. Also trying to get rid of some of the Bold and Italic and Bold Italic formatting, which does nothing for readability.


 * On the Manchukuo / Manchuria independence movement, it needs more than one website to establish notability. I did a very quick search and only found the one, plus a lot about the Japanese puppet state back in the 1930s. But if there are sufficient sources, I would certainly support an article. I suspect it would be a magnet for vandalism though. Aymatth2 (talk) 15:46, 17 April 2009 (UTC)


 * If you go to http://translate.google.com/ and enter a url, you will get a very rough translation - enough to get a sense of it. But first you have to find the url. I am not sure I would spend too much time on it unless you hit a vein of sources that shows there is serious ethnic unrest in Manchuria. My guess is that these sites are just nostalgic overseas groups. Aymatth2 (talk) 16:16, 17 April 2009 (UTC)

June 2009
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Articles for deletion nomination of Van_Cat_Naming_Controversy
I have nominated Van_Cat_Naming_Controversy, an article that you created, for deletion. I do not think that this article satisfies Wikipedia's criteria for inclusion, and have explained why at Articles for deletion/Van_Cat_Naming_Controversy. Your opinions on the matter are welcome at that same discussion page; also, you are welcome to edit the article to address these concerns. Thank you for your time.Please contact me if you're unsure why you received this message. Meowy 00:56, 15 July 2009 (UTC)

Hi. I've proposed on Talk:Turkish Van that the article gets renamed to Van (cat) (as with Persian (cat), and that way it can include the usable section of the naming controversy article as part of the story of the cat in it's homeland. Would you care to pop over there and offer an opinion?--Elen of the Roads (talk) 21:47, 16 July 2009 (UTC)

Reply
Dear Yalens, I do not have any info about who you are and where you are. You had written that you are not Kurdish, and may not represent the complete nation. I offered you to make a good story on how the Kurdish cat fanciers imagine Van cat, if it is all-white or van-patterned, odd-eyed, etc. I asked you to write, if they have some discriptions and legends of Van cats. Any info about Van cats would be welcomed. Instead of it you had written a political declaration about three nations, based on Turkish insinuations and falsifications. Yesterday you added a very large portion, and again it was based on the material far-away from sciece-proved research, and there had been several words about cats in general terms. All my suggestions to discuss the cats genetics, health and breeding conditions were left without any reply, as if there are no problems in the breeding and preservation of TUVs. I offered you the protocol for discussion, because the relations are too painful and to politicized. I entered the Kurdish name for Van cat in the article. You could write some words about the cats and Kurds in the article (if not political). I would support you. To make friends does not mean to make frieds against, but to make friends in favour. The long and full of sufferings history or the Armenians and Kurds is the good example, what is the result of the friendship against. Yes, you live in the houses that you had been promised. But are you happy enough? Did you become more prosperous? Anyhow, I offer you the good relations in favour of. And we may start from good relations in favour of Van cat that had been created in favor of the salvation of all the people. --Zara-arush (talk) 19:13, 26 July 2009 (UTC)


 * First of all, if you are not of the region, you do not know much, what had happened here, and what is the degree of the falsifications. Though I am not a historian or a geneticist, I realize that the ethnicity is not only the genetics, and that because of numerous invasions and wars there shall be layers in the haplotype of any nation now present in the region that contain the inclusion of other nation's haplotypes.  Also there is a large portion of the offspring of mix marriages.  But in any case the main is one or two haplotypes in any nation.  The history, culture, religion and mentality are the main that differs one naion from the other.  To those, who are a part of so-named "new  or young nations", it is rather difficult to differentiate, what a nation or nationality is.  F.i. it is a notion that will be difficult to explain to an average US American.  They may understand the problems of the Indians, but they will hardly understand, how a Kurd or Armenian say about the 3-5 millenia old ancestry.
 * We are not going to discuss these problems in a cat fancy article, and you should also be aware that the cats are endangered not only by the Western "all-white" breeding, by they are endangered physically. When they do not have further arguments in discussions, they remeind us about the Armenians that still remained in the motherland.  The same is with cats.  Please, do not insist much in your editing.  Your political writing may threaten those cats that by wonder may be found there.  The best behavior is to act the way for not to make the situation worse.  You might have noticed I write about the legends and merits of van-pattern. Trying to push the parties closer to one another, the attampts may result in new contradictions.  What I mean?  If you want to write about the cat, write about the cat.  If you want to write about the contradictions among the nations, write about it without any relation with the cats.  The domestic cats and dogs are like small children.  Do you want to become the butcher of the cats?  Is there great difference between a man executioner, and a cat killer?  They are interchangeable.--Zara-arush (talk) 11:51, 27 July 2009 (UTC)--Zara-arush (talk) 11:51, 27 July 2009 (UTC)

Zara Arush
There's no point, is there. Either I report her to the administrators or I walk away.--Elen of the Roads (talk) 19:55, 3 August 2009 (UTC)

...Elen, what are you talking about? I'm not sure I know what you are talking about... why would you go so far as to report Zara-Arush? (obviously, she needs to work on her grammar, and acknowledge that words like "offsprings" don't exist, but is that really so bad to report her...It's just grammar...). If someone needs to be reported, its Meowy.

...wait, is there something here I don't know about, or...?

Anyhow, I'd say, no there's no point in reporting her really... unless there's something I don't know... --Yalens (talk) 19:59, 3 August 2009 (UTC)


 * Ah, I see (peaked at the Turkish Van article)... still, Elen, I don't think that's really grounds to report. She is adamant about her "grammar" as well as inserting her sectarian beliefs in, and she's biased, but that doesn't mean she deserves a report or that she's not a good editor at all...--Yalens (talk) 20:05, 3 August 2009 (UTC)


 * A moment of weakness - it's only her continuous reinsertion of that very bad piece of English that annoys me, and I don't know what to do about it. The admins wouldn't be interested anyway....they're too busy chasing the nutter who has made 500 bad redirects, including one for Elton Hercules (check it out,  been deleted twice now).  If you can think of anyone on the planet who might search for Elton Hercules while looking for Elton John.......Elen of the Roads (talk) 20:11, 3 August 2009 (UTC)
 * That nutter would be me. I do not think it's appropriate to be slinging insults at good-intentioned editors, Elen. Furthermore, while I have made lots of redirects, it has not been established that they are 'bad' as you put it. If you are going to tabulate the number which are 'bad,' please only count those which you have looked into yourself, and in good faith, discussed with its creator to make sure that you are not overlooking the potential uses for. As for Elton Hercules, I have recreated it for a third time. This time, I have put it for Redirects for Discussion. WP:RFD is where good-intentioned and non-spam redirects such as this belong in the first place. Previously, the reason it was deleted twice was that it received no discussion. It was tagged misleadingly with criteria that is not applicable to the complaint about it, it was the same person deleting it, and they attempted to provide inaccurate arguments. Luckily, I received the courage to make it again because someone found an article in a notable publication which does indeed refer to him as simply EH and not EHJ. I can only call this sort of thing petty. This is not my fault, but rather the fault of petty aggressive deletionism focused solely against my contributions, which completely ignore examples of identical acceptable editing. Barack Hussein, for example, will you go attack that? Tyciol (talk) 05:23, 5 August 2009 (UTC)


 * I'm not going to be taking sides here, but seriously, if you want to debate with Elen, do so on HER talk page... I don't need my own cluttered up by this. And really, nobody refers to Barack Obama as Hussein, so nobodies going to search like that. Heck, maybe there's a Barack Hussein out there who IS an important politician in some foreign country. The redirect is unnecessary at best, but I suppose I don't know the details, so... (and you can hardly call redirects contributions at all... they're so effortless).

Sorry, my fault. Shouldn't have referred to it here. I managed to get the discussion to continue on his talk page. He ended up blocked for a week, so he probably won't be back. Elen of the Roads (talk) 15:25, 5 August 2009 (UTC)


 * It's not your fault that he had the lack of manners to attack my talk page for something you said. If he had a problem, he should've just discussed it as an on-topic on your page, rather than clutter up mine. Though, frankly, I feel involved now, especially since he said he did the thing with Barack Hussein (ridiculously political a redirect if you ask me... if you don't revert it and delete that, I will...)... he said he did it, but it was a different user. Could it be a puppet? He could be banned.

LGBT rights in Chechnya

 * There is a discussion on the use of your source taking place here, and a third party was requested to give an opinion on it. Please read and join in if you can. The Scythian 19:04, 17 August 2009 (UTC)

Guangdong independence?
I checked "Lingnan Democratic Republic", "Lingnam Democratic Republic" and "Great Cantonia" and did not find anything that seemed real to me - nothing from a reliable source that indicated the existence of the movement. I am handicapped by language, but assume that if there were a separatist movement of any significance it would have been noted somewhere. I checked "Cantonese independence" and "Guangdong independence" and did not find much on those either. It doesn't seem real to me - just some people playing around on the web, my view. I think it needs some independent source before it could be considered. Aymatth2 (talk) 02:07, 19 August 2009 (UTC)

Complaint filed via ANI
Hi Yalens. A complaint was filed against User:Mathsci and User:Slrubenstein through Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents. Although you were not the target of the complaint, your name was mentioned as possible targets of their abuse. Please read the | User:Mathsci and User:Slrubenstein" of the complaint. Take care. Dinkytown (talk) 02:58, 1 September 2009 (UTC)
 * Hi, Yalens. I was also notified of the ANI complaint, but rather than contribute to the drama, I chose to invest some time in researching the section. If you review the material I've found so far, I think you'll see the section under discussion is far from being a "bunch of opinions and original research and POV slush", as you once called it. I harbour no hard feelings towards you, and I would like to see you contribute to the process in a constructive manner. I strongly suggest you read Berting, J. 'Europe: A Heritage, a Challenge, a Promise'. Delft: Eburon Academic Publishers, 2006. ISBN: 90-5972-120-9. Chapter V of this work can be found online through Google Books, and it's worth the read. You might find verifiable information which could at least partly justify your claims. If there is something from that book or any other credible book or article you'd like included in the section, then make polite mention of it on the talk page. Do this, and I'm sure that the other involved editors will open a constructive dialogue with you. Thanks, — Aryaman (talk) 11:32, 1 September 2009 (UTC)
 * Thanks for responding. I think I understand where you're coming from. And I honestly do understand how "scholarly opinion" often gets tossed around as "truth". It took me a while to understand how Wikipedia works in this regard, i.e. that here, it's not about "truth", it's about "facts", i.e. whatever is published by a "reliable" source. I had to stop editing articles on topics I really cared about, simply because I found it so infuriating to see what I honestly believe is academic drivel slapped up there like it was the honest to goodness truth. Oh well. Live and learn.
 * I can't say I blame you if you don't want to work on the EGE article. But I did want to say this: The reason I mentioned that book is because the point the author is making is that there are at least 5 entirely different ways to define "European culture", and the one that's being pushed on that article is only one of them. The article is simplifying the issue greatly, because as that author points out, there are no certainties here, only assumptions and points of view. In a way, the author is supporting what you were saying about the section being inherently POV. But - and this is the big "but" of Wikipedia - that doesn't mean the section gets deleted. What is does mean it that consciencious editors need to put in the work and make sure that such a claim, i.e. that "European culture" is an inherently POV topic, gets backed up by - you guessed it - reliable sources.
 * Anyways, maybe we'll run into each other again in the future - hopefully under better circumstances. Regards, Aryaman  (talk) 00:44, 2 September 2009 (UTC)

"Ukraine is among the more tolerant Eastern European countries"
Regarding your edit here. I never heard of the worldwide consensus: "Ukraine is among the more tolerant Eastern European countries" (I live in W-Europe and most people among me have no opinion on Ukraine what so ever....). Please refrain from this sort of WP:POV editing. —  Mariah-Yulia  • Talk to me!  21:02, 15 September 2009 (UTC) P.S. Thanks for the information anyhow. —  Mariah-Yulia  • Talk to me!  21:04, 15 September 2009 (UTC)

List of active autonomist and secessionist movements in Indonesia
Let's discuss here. :) -iNu- (talk) 11:08, 5 October 2009 (UTC)

Poor Pisika Wane
Hi, why don't you check regularly TUV page. It is 3-4 times that I recover the part on pisika wane in the 1st sentence. Thanks for supporting RE my poor grammar, etc. Though I do not understand how a native speaker mixes grammar and spelling, though the poor state of them both are mainly explained by the lack of sleep. I hope they did not insert new clumsy things in the article, but I have no idea about the small one you tried to preserve. Luck, --Zara-arush (talk) 23:49, 11 November 2009 (UTC)