User talk:Calvin999/Archive 6

continuation of WP:PERM/R#Calvin999
You decided not to mediate with MelanieBrown (engaging yourself in an edit war), giving the impression you assumed bad faith, as well as appearing that you abused warning notices. Instead of adding a blatant vandalism notice, perhaps just a question or factual information template. mysterytrey  (talk)  01:02, 24 September 2011 (UTC)
 * How did I edit war? I reverted 2 edits which were 4 hours apart from each other. But whatever. Calvin  &bull; Na Na Na C'mon!  12:32, 24 September 2011 (UTC)


 * You reverted the same edit multiple times, therefore, its an edit war. Slow and short, yet an edit war with no excuse. The templates? mysterytrey   (talk)  06:46, 26 September 2011 (UTC)

A mistake or something?
The last sentence in the Chart Performance from the "Hard" article is saying: In total, "Rockstar 101" spent ten non-consecutive weeks on the chart.[24] ... Rockstar 101? or maybe Hard?! — Tomica1111  &bull;  Question Existing?  09:55, 26 September 2011 (UTC)
 * oppppp! Calvin  &bull; Na Na Na C'mon!  16:19, 26 September 2011 (UTC)

Surprise
ukmix.org/forums/viewtopic.php?t=84113&start=1150

★Jivesh 1205★ (talk / ♫♫Give 4 a try!!!♫♫) 17:31, 26 September 2011 (UTC)
 * Woo! Calvin  &bull; Na Na Na C'mon!  17:38, 26 September 2011 (UTC)
 * I love the new look. ★Jivesh 1205★ (talk / ♫♫Give 4 a try!!!♫♫) 17:39, 26 September 2011 (UTC)
 * I thought a preview of this weeks charts would be published today :( Calvin  &bull; Na Na Na C'mon!  17:42, 26 September 2011 (UTC)
 * It will be but by the time it is available (in the US), it will already be Tuesday in the UK. ★Jivesh 1205★ (talk / ♫♫Give 4 a try!!!♫♫) 17:46, 26 September 2011 (UTC)
 * Because I want to put my info into the article lol. And I can't do it after 12pm GMT tomorrow. Calvin  &bull; Na Na Na C'mon!  17:47, 26 September 2011 (UTC)
 * Hmmm why? ★Jivesh 1205★ (talk / ♫♫Give 4 a try!!!♫♫) 17:53, 26 September 2011 (UTC)
 * I'm staying with some friends until Wednesday night. I'll take my laptop with me haa Calvin  &bull; Na Na Na C'mon!  18:00, 26 September 2011 (UTC)
 * Will there be girls? [[File:SoleteRayosÑajo.gif]] ★Jivesh 1205★ (talk / ♫♫Give 4 a try!!!♫♫) 18:05, 26 September 2011 (UTC)
 * Scroll midway through the page and have a nice laugh.

ukmix.org/forums/viewtopic.php?t=84113&start=1100

★Jivesh 1205★ (talk / ♫♫Give 4 a try!!!♫♫) 18:06, 26 September 2011 (UTC)
 * Yasss there will be girls lol Calvin  &bull; Na Na Na C'mon!  18:48, 26 September 2011 (UTC)

86.182.144.225
Calvin, I am going to ask you to not assume good faith on IPs which start with 86.xxx... or if they come from the UK and they are from BT Public or IP Pools, and they are genre-warring. The user in question is banned from editing and he shouldn't edit, in either page (excepting when they revert obvious vandalism). Tb hotch .™ Grammatically incorrect? Correct it! See terms and conditions.  17:32, 26 September 2011 (UTC)
 * What? Calvin  &bull; Na Na Na C'mon!  17:36, 26 September 2011 (UTC)
 * In simple English He is banned and avoid to talk with him. Tb hotch .™ Grammatically incorrect? Correct it!  See terms and conditions.  17:42, 26 September 2011 (UTC)
 * I've hardly engaged in conversation with him. All I did was warn him as he was rude to another editor and did not assume good faith. Calvin  &bull; Na Na Na C'mon!  17:44, 26 September 2011 (UTC)
 * But in the future you will find him in Rihanna articles, changing genres, undoing edits made by me or somebody else, and making threats (ban, death, etc.). So if you detect him contact User:Kww, who knows about him. Tb hotch .™ Grammatically incorrect? Correct it!  See terms and conditions.  17:47, 26 September 2011 (UTC)
 * Okay. 18:00, 26 September 2011 (UTC)

Question
Why did you remove the music sample of "Rude Boy"? I guide you to establish its Contextual significance. By the way, i suggest you read Manual of Style/Music samples. There is not only this that counts. ★Jivesh 1205★ (talk / ♫♫Give 4 a try!!!♫♫) 07:35, 27 September 2011 (UTC)
 * Because Legolas told me to remove it. Calvin  &bull; Na Na Na C'mon!  09:17, 27 September 2011 (UTC)
 * Isn't there any type of musical influences that critics mention? Like Arabic music, reggae, Indian tablas, clapping, any description of the beat, etc. There SHOULD be something Calvin. ★Jivesh 1205★ (talk / ♫♫Give 4 a try!!!♫♫) 09:20, 27 September 2011 (UTC)
 * I found this >>> West Indian influence ★Jivesh 1205★ (talk / ♫♫Give 4 a try!!!♫♫) 09:21, 27 September 2011 (UTC)
 * Re-insert the music sample and write what i will be posting in a few minutes. ★Jivesh 1205★ (talk / ♫♫Give 4 a try!!!♫♫) 09:25, 27 September 2011 (UTC)
 * There's no point, the file is being deleted in a few days. Calvin  &bull; Na Na Na C'mon!  09:31, 27 September 2011 (UTC)

An 22-second sample of "Rude Boy", demonstrating the melding of West Indian, dancehall and ragga music influences, which are augmented by the use of steel drums at the foundation the song as Rihanna chants the "provocative" lyrics.

I listened to the song and the best portion is 1:04 to 1:26. ★Jivesh 1205★ (talk / ♫♫Give 4 a try!!!♫♫) 09:35, 27 September 2011 (UTC)


 * It will not be deleted if you put it back. ★Jivesh 1205★ (talk / ♫♫Give 4 a try!!!♫♫) 09:36, 27 September 2011 (UTC)
 * Okay. If I have time to add it I will. And i replied to your comment on the GA2. Calvin  &bull; Na Na Na C'mon!  09:40, 27 September 2011 (UTC)


 * If you want i can do it for you??? ★Jivesh 1205★ (talk / ♫♫Give 4 a try!!!♫♫) 09:43, 27 September 2011 (UTC)
 * Okay thanks. And I have quickly put my We Found Love prose into the article now it has charted. Have a look! I won't be online until tomorrow night, so can you keep an eye on the article a remove any unsourced info, and if new sources are added, make sure they are formatted like how they are in the rest of the article?   Calvin  &bull; Na Na Na C'mon!  09:45, 27 September 2011 (UTC)
 * Sure. Already on my watch-list. ★Jivesh 1205★ (talk / ♫♫Give 4 a try!!!♫♫) 09:47, 27 September 2011 (UTC)
 * Thanks :) Calvin  &bull; Na Na Na C'mon!  10:35, 27 September 2011 (UTC)
 * You are welcome my dear. Consider separating this. ★Jivesh 1205★ (talk / ♫♫Give 4 a try!!!♫♫) 10:59, 27 September 2011 (UTC)
 * It was like that, but the Composition is made of reviews, and the Critical reception is only 4 lines long, so it would look stupid in it's own section. If both get bigger, then they can be separated. Calvin  &bull; Na Na Na C'mon!  11:12, 27 September 2011 (UTC)
 * Calvin, don't tell me that. We are talking about Rihanna. I am sure that the song must have had at least 25 professional reviews. Did you check well? And i am telling you again, you should not copy-paste whole lines from the critical reception to craft a composition section. Di you see how i do it for Beyonce's article? ★Jivesh 1205★ (talk / ♫♫Give 4 a try!!!♫♫) 11:30, 27 September 2011 (UTC)
 * They are literally all the ones I could find. Calvin  &bull; Na Na Na C'mon!  11:31, 27 September 2011 (UTC)


 * I will try to find some more later. ★Jivesh 1205★ (talk / ♫♫Give 4 a try!!!♫♫) 11:37, 27 September 2011 (UTC)

Sources to use
Calvin, for your information and reference. --Efe (talk) 10:51, 27 September 2011 (UTC)
 * What's it for?? Calvin  &bull; Na Na Na C'mon!  11:11, 27 September 2011 (UTC)
 * It's a source for Unfaithful and SOS composition. I already started placing the information in the Unfaithful composition. You can do it for SOS.— Tomica1111  &bull;  Question Existing?  11:15, 27 September 2011 (UTC)
 * Oh right. Looks like I can kiss the GAT goodbye. Calvin  &bull; Na Na Na C'mon!  11:17, 27 September 2011 (UTC)
 * Maybe this can help you for the "S&M" article. In one way or another... 17:00, 28 September 2011 (UTC)
 * Thanks, I've already added info about that in. Calvin  &bull; Na Na Na C'mon!  17:01, 28 September 2011 (UTC)

About "We Found Love": The club-thumping "Found" enters Digital Songs at No. 7 with first-week download sales of 117,000 ... I think that the IP is right here. The song entered at number 7, not 17. — Tomica1111  &bull;  Question Existing?  21:34, 28 September 2011 (UTC)
 * Cheers and We Found Love can't both be at 7. Calvin  &bull; Na Na Na C'mon!  10:44, 29 September 2011 (UTC)
 * Ohh Digital, I thought you mean't Hot 100. Calvin  &bull; Na Na Na C'mon!  11:09, 29 September 2011 (UTC)

OMG
OMG Calvin, that's what i call a *MESS*. To tell you frankly i cannot understand why he did that. He copy-edited "Naughty Girl (Beyoncé Knowles song)" for me but his job was flawless. I think it is better you add back the information. I can do a c/e in a few weeks. But not very soon. ★Jivesh 1205★ (talk / ♫♫Give 4 a try!!!♫♫) 15:04, 29 September 2011 (UTC)
 * The GOCE are absolutely, completely, utterly, whole-heartedly useless. I've had absolutely nothing but hassle and disappointed from them both times I've used them. I'm so pissed off, and not in a good mood as it is. Calvin  &bull; Na Na Na C'mon!  15:11, 29 September 2011 (UTC)
 * Well about your mood, i can totally understand. Calvin but i did not quite understand, on what specifically did you have a conflict (if any)? And Calvin, please do not stress, i will do the c/e for you but be patient. ★Jivesh 1205★ (talk / ♫♫Give 4 a try!!!♫♫) 15:15, 29 September 2011 (UTC)
 * Conflict about what? And Legolas has a problem with the Rude Boy audio sample and the description which you added. Calvin  &bull; Na Na Na C'mon!  15:19, 29 September 2011 (UTC)
 * Because i saw this. Anyway, i added the source. There was no original research there. ★Jivesh 1205★ (talk / ♫♫Give 4 a try!!!♫♫) 15:26, 29 September 2011 (UTC)
 * Check you e-mail. I have send you some pictures about Rihanna's new music video. I cannot post the link here ad it will be filtered. ★Jivesh 1205★ (talk / ♫♫Give 4 a try!!!♫♫) 15:30, 29 September 2011 (UTC)
 * I hadn't seen that before. Sorry Jivesh I'm going offline now. It's better if I'm not at my keyboard for a while otherwise I'll write something to Legolas which he may like, but is true. A prize word comes to mind, but I'm not a sulky, offensive, rude, inconsiderate and pretentious person, which is more than what I can say for some people. It's obvious he doesn't like me for no valid reason (he doesn't even know me or what I am like), but that is his problem, not mine. I don't associate myself with him, so I don't know why he keeps associating himself with me.  Calvin  &bull; Na Na Na C'mon!  15:32, 29 September 2011 (UTC)
 * Please check you e-mail;. It might cheer you up. Please. 15:34, 29 September 2011 (UTC)
 * www.thisisrnb.com may not be reliable. I accept it but weren't those Rihanna's own words? ★Jivesh 1205★ (talk / ♫♫Give 4 a try!!!♫♫) 15:35, 29 September 2011 (UTC)
 * Read your e-mail. LOL. Calvin  &bull; Na Na Na C'mon!  15:47, 29 September 2011 (UTC)
 * I did not get your e-mail. I am eager to know whether you like the new look. ★Jivesh 1205★ (talk / ♫♫Give 4 a try!!!♫♫) 15:50, 29 September 2011 (UTC)
 * i didn't get any pictures. Calvin  &bull; Na Na Na C'mon!  15:51, 29 September 2011 (UTC)
 * Didn't you get the message about the mommy *slap*? ★Jivesh 1205★ (talk / ♫♫Give 4 a try!!!♫♫) 15:54, 29 September 2011 (UTC)
 * Isn't your email aaronj........? ★Jivesh 1205★ (talk / ♫♫Give 4 a try!!!♫♫) 15:54, 29 September 2011 (UTC)
 * yeah I read that e-mail, I just said that! ^^. But no pictures were in the e-mails. Calvin  &bull; Na Na Na C'mon!  15:57, 29 September 2011 (UTC)
 * See well. I sent you the pictures AGAIN. ★Jivesh 1205★ (talk / ♫♫Give 4 a try!!!♫♫) 16:00, 29 September 2011 (UTC)
 * Got it. Yeah she is looking fineeeeeeeeeeeee in those pictures. Did you hear she took her top off and the owner of the field got offended? I would have said "Rihanna, stay as long as you want!" Calvin  &bull; Na Na Na C'mon!  16:02, 29 September 2011 (UTC)
 * Of course, i know. Lol. I echo your sentiments. She is *hot*. Hey i will be back in two hours. My favorite serial is going to start. I cannot miss it. Have a nice time here till then. ★Jivesh 1205★ (talk / ♫♫Give 4 a try!!!♫♫) 16:04, 29 September 2011 (UTC)
 * He was kind of crazy :D ! I would have called her to take her time and If wants to nap in my home :P LOL ... — Tomica1111  &bull;  Question Existing?  16:06, 29 September 2011 (UTC)
 * Jivesh, check your e-mail again. Calvin  &bull; Na Na Na C'mon!  16:19, 29 September 2011 (UTC)
 * Thanks for those Beyonce pictures. I never knew Beyonce and Rihanna had pictures together. Thanks for the LOT music sheet as well. ★Jivesh 1205★ (talk / ♫♫Give 4 a try!!!♫♫) 18:11, 29 September 2011 (UTC)
 * Mariah and Rihanna have ones together too, buttt you might not be interested in that lol. Calvin  &bull; Na Na Na C'mon!  18:13, 29 September 2011 (UTC)
 * No i am not interested in the pictures. Nevertheless, i * heart* Mariah. She is amazing. She inspired Beyonce to make music. So i have to like her. Lol. ★Jivesh 1205★ (talk / ♫♫Give 4 a try!!!♫♫) 18:17, 29 September 2011 (UTC)
 * Lol, they are good friends in real life. Calvin  &bull; Na Na Na C'mon!  18:50, 29 September 2011 (UTC)
 * Just like you and me in (Wikipedia real) life. ★Jivesh 1205★ (talk / ♫♫Give 4 a try!!!♫♫) 18:52, 29 September 2011 (UTC)

Leona Lewis
What's wrong with the word 'English'? Ellie G Was Robbed (talk) 16:58, 29 September 2011 (UTC)
 * It's not sourced, stop changing it. She is British, not English. Calvin  &bull; Na Na Na C'mon!  17:00, 29 September 2011 (UTC)
 * If she's from London, she's English. Ellie G Was Robbed (talk) 17:16, 29 September 2011 (UTC)
 * She is mixed race, she is British. Calvin  &bull; Na Na Na C'mon!  17:16, 29 September 2011 (UTC)
 * So there's no England and no Wales and no Scotland? She's English. Get over it. Ellie G Was Robbed (talk) 18:01, 29 September 2011 (UTC)
 * You asked me what was wrong with English and I am telling you, so don't tell me to get over it when it was you who came to my talk page asking questions. Calvin  &bull; Na Na Na C'mon!  18:05, 29 September 2011 (UTC)

I'm right, you're wrong. Ellie G Was Robbed (talk) 21:00, 29 September 2011 (UTC)
 * No, you're wrong. I'm right. Bye. Calvin  &bull; Na Na Na C'mon!  22:46, 29 September 2011 (UTC)

Edit summary tips
Hello, Calvin

I hope you won't mind me coming to you with a few remarks about how you work. I hope you'll take these few minor comments as constructive suggestions rather than harsh criticisms. These thoughts occurred to me as I examined the series of changes you made today (ignore one edit each from Legolas and Jivesh) to Rude Boy (song) That's all, really, and I hope you won't take this as a lack of appreciation for your continued hard work. Keep it up! Regards, &mdash; JohnFromPinckney (talk) 22:49, 29 September 2011 (UTC)
 * 1) You could be more expressive with your edit summaries than just "fix" or "ref fix". Sometimes you're adding or removing wikilinks, sometimes you're fiddling with italics, but sometimes you're moving whole sections. As a special example, look at this edit where you provided the summary "Removed AC interview". BTW, thanks very much for consistently providing edit summaries. But in this example, it would have been great if you had said why you were removing the interview. Do you see what I mean? You courteously provided the part somebody could (eventually) figure out by studying your edit, but kept silent on the part we can only guess at.
 * 2) Your edits where you add apostrophes to try to force cancellation of the italics from the templates are, IMO, misplaced. First of all, if you don't want the work italicized you should either get the  templates changed (oh, how I dream of that day) or stop using the templates. You should also be aware that the added apostrophes will only do what you want until the bot comes along and removes that extra formatting crap (or until  is corrected).
 * 3) Little edits like this, marked ref fix but which actually just cancel site italicization by template, is just a minor, minor edit. Please mark it as such. There's a "This is a minor edit" checkbox just above the Save page button; please check that box when it's appropriate.


 * It doesn't really matter now because the interview is back. The article is undergoing GAR, and I usually do write "GAN/GAR/FAC fixes" (whichever is applicable) in my edit summary. Calvin  &bull; Na Na Na C'mon!  22:55, 29 September 2011 (UTC)

Re:Rude Boy
No problem Calvin! :) Happy to help. Novice7 (talk) 11:01, 30 September 2011 (UTC)

Rude Boy (FP)
Calvin, you should change the format and presentation of the article. Can i do it for you. Then, you may revert back if you do not like it. ★Jivesh 1205★ (talk / ♫♫Give 4 a try!!!♫♫) 04:10, 30 September 2011 (UTC)
 * Format of what? Calvin  &bull; Na Na Na C'mon!  10:56, 30 September 2011 (UTC)
 * The flow of information is not right. Let me edit it first. The revert back if you do not like it. Okay? And Calvin, concerning your message, at least you apologized to the user and that was the best you could do. You cannot do anything more. Please not get discourage. You can count on me forever. ★Jivesh 1205★ (talk / ♫♫Give 4 a try!!!♫♫) 15:10, 30 September 2011 (UTC)
 * Do you like it? ★Jivesh 1205★ (talk / ♫♫Give 4 a try!!!♫♫) 16:01, 30 September 2011 (UTC)
 * To be honest, it's not me who you need to seek approval from. And the pic of Dean is really big! It needs to be smaller. And I think the pic with the audio sample immediately under it is making it look a bit messy. But I like the title for the B&D section, that's better. I don't know if I'm feeling the Reception sub sections though. Calvin  &bull; Na Na Na C'mon!  16:07, 30 September 2011 (UTC)
 * I understand you Calvin I feel the same when someone else does the same with what i write but if ever you take it to FAC, the will want it to be this way. How the article was a few hours ago, was not right. A songs is not released first. You should talk abut the background first. Legolas asked for the separation of the sections. ★Jivesh 1205★ (talk / ♫♫Give 4 a try!!!♫♫) 16:10, 30 September 2011 (UTC)
 * Did he ask you for the separation of the sections? Calvin  &bull; Na Na Na C'mon!  16:11, 30 September 2011 (UTC)
 * Oh no. Not me. He just wrote that and i did it for you. I hope you don't mind? ★Jivesh 1205★ (talk / ♫♫Give 4 a try!!!♫♫) 16:13, 30 September 2011 (UTC)
 * That's okay then. I didn't mean it like that. Calvin  &bull; Na Na Na C'mon!  16:14, 30 September 2011 (UTC)
 * I know. Lol. He asked for something else as well. I cannot read a music sheet. So i did not do that part. ★Jivesh 1205★ (talk / ♫♫Give 4 a try!!!♫♫) 16:15, 30 September 2011 (UTC)
 * Neither can I. I know what he means and how it looks like, I've seen it in other articles, but I don't know how to read it on the website or how to write it here. Calvin  &bull; Na Na Na C'mon!  16:18, 30 September 2011 (UTC)
 * Have a look at your email in five minutes. I have something to tell you about the Fam Palab. ★Jivesh 1205★ (talk / ♫♫Give 4 a try!!!♫♫) 16:22, 30 September 2011 (UTC)
 * Do you not think that Background and development, then Composition and critical reception, then Chart performance would look better? Calvin  &bull; Na Na Na C'mon!  17:23, 30 September 2011 (UTC)


 * Yes but what about the release information then? I merged them only because the CR and CPO sections of "Rude Boy" are not big enough. See "Déjà Vu (Beyoncé Knowles song)". ★Jivesh 1205★ (talk / ♫♫Give 4 a try!!!♫♫) 17:28, 30 September 2011 (UTC)
 * Put in the Background section. That's where I've been told release info should go. Calvin  &bull; Na Na Na C'mon!  17:29, 30 September 2011 (UTC)


 * It is up to you Calvin. But if you submit it to FAC someday (because the article is well-written), revert back to the format i applied today because i guarantee you that they FAC reviewers will ask for that. ★Jivesh 1205★ (talk / ♫♫Give 4 a try!!!♫♫) 17:37, 30 September 2011 (UTC)
 * Why do they want it all spilt like that? They didn't ask for it on S&M. Calvin  &bull; Na Na Na C'mon!  17:37, 30 September 2011 (UTC)
 * As i explained above, simply because......... the CR and CP sections of S&M are big enough to stand alone. See Irreplaceable". ★Jivesh 1205★ (talk / ♫♫Give 4 a try!!!♫♫) 17:40, 30 September 2011 (UTC)
 * DO you think Rude Boy would be successful at FAC? I don't want to nominate an article again without it passing, because I've had 4 rejects so far. Calvin  &bull; Na Na Na C'mon!  17:43, 30 September 2011 (UTC)
 * Four rejects? For S&M itself? Do not feel discouraged. I have already decided that i am submitting "Crazy in Love", "Ring the Alarm", "Halo", "Sweet Dreams", "Single Ladies" and "Best Thing I Never Had" for FAC in December 2011. And if they do not pass, i will keep dragging them there even if i have to do it 20 times. I want Beyonce to get at least five more FAs. ★Jivesh 1205★ (talk / ♫♫Give 4 a try!!!♫♫) 17:47, 30 September 2011 (UTC)
 * RD is indeed in good shape. ★Jivesh 1205★ (talk / ♫♫Give 4 a try!!!♫♫) 17:48, 30 September 2011 (UTC)
 * Three for S&M and List of Rihanna songs has failed too, because they don't think it should be a stand alone list. Calvin  &bull; Na Na Na C'mon!  17:49, 30 September 2011 (UTC)
 * Beyonce also has a similar article. Oh my goodness. There are so many articles for Beyonce that i need to improve. However Calvin, i never feel bored. My love for Beyonce is unconditional. Whatever i do for her, i do it with much love and devotion. I am sure wherever she is, one day, she will surely visit Wikipedia. Lol. ★Jivesh 1205★ (talk / ♫♫Give 4 a try!!!♫♫) 17:53, 30 September 2011 (UTC)

Quick reminder
You can't nominate an article while it is undergoing a PR. Would you prefer to close the PR and put it up for GAN or wait for someone to peer review the article then nominate it? — WP: PENGUIN  · [ TALK ]  18:48, 30 September 2011 (UTC)
 * Oh I didn't realise it was up for PR still. Yeah that needs to be closed, it received GOCE. Calvin  &bull; Na Na Na C'mon!  19:49, 30 September 2011 (UTC)
 * An article can be nominated for GA while a PR is open. For any featured nomination, PR should be closed :) Novice7 (talk) 11:15, 2 October 2011 (UTC)

Reviews
You're welcome Calvin! :) Novice7 (talk) 11:15, 2 October 2011 (UTC)
 * How do I format the reference for the Billboard one as it's a book? And the Top 40 and NY Times sources aren't really usable, they don't really say anything significant about the song. Calvin  &bull; Na Na Na C'mon!  11:25, 2 October 2011 (UTC)
 * You should use the Cite journal template. You can take a look at ref #10 of "Heartbreaker (Mariah Carey song)" to see how it's formatted. ISSN and the publisher are the same for "If It's Lovin' that You Want" review too. Date is August 27, 2005; volume is 117; issue is 35; page (number) is 52. Novice7 (talk) 11:30, 2 October 2011 (UTC)
 * Ok thanks. Calvin  &bull; Na Na Na C'mon!  11:32, 2 October 2011 (UTC)


 * I never upload my own samples. I do not have the program required. Ask Mags. I am sure he will help you. ★Jivesh 1205★ (talk / ♫♫Give 4 a try!!!♫♫) 12:03, 2 October 2011 (UTC)
 * (Who is "Mags"? lol). Calvin  &bull; Na Na Na C'mon!  12:05, 2 October 2011 (UTC)
 * Novice7. ★Jivesh 1205★ (talk / ♫♫Give 4 a try!!!♫♫) 12:06, 2 October 2011 (UTC)
 * Ohh right okay lol. Calvin  &bull; Na Na Na C'mon!  12:07, 2 October 2011 (UTC)
 * You are funny. :) ★Jivesh 1205★ (talk / ♫♫Give 4 a try!!!♫♫) 12:12, 2 October 2011 (UTC)
 * Oh my God. I love that picture. From where did you get it? ★Jivesh 1205★ (talk / ♫♫Give 4 a try!!!♫♫) 12:27, 2 October 2011 (UTC)
 * I spend too much time googling lol. Calvin  &bull; Na Na Na C'mon!  12:28, 2 October 2011 (UTC)

Sure, I can upload a sample. Which song's sample do you need? <b style="white-space:nowrap; text-shadow:gray 5px 3px 1px; font-family:Arial; color:#4169E1;">Novice7</b> (<b style="font-family:Arial; color:#B0C4DE;">talk</b>) 05:02, 3 October 2011 (UTC)
 * For If It's Lovin' that You Want. Is it 10% of the total length of the song that is allowed? If yes or no, then could be contain at least the part from 2:14-2:27 here please? That way it shows her "thin" vocals and also vocal range, which the critics picked up on. Calvin  &bull; Na Na Na C'mon!  10:43, 3 October 2011 (UTC)
 * Here's the sample. Yep, it is 10% of the total length of the song. "ITLTYW" is 3:27 = 207 seconds. 10% of 207 seconds = 20.7 seconds (in Wikipedia, it is rounded to 21 seconds). Do let me know if you need a different portion of the song :) <b style="white-space:nowrap; text-shadow:gray 5px 3px 1px; font-family:Arial; color:#4169E1;">Novice7</b> (<b style="font-family:Arial; color:#B0C4DE;">talk</b>) 11:01, 3 October 2011 (UTC)
 * Java is being annoying and I can't listen to audio samples on this laptop, but i trust you! haha. Thanks! Calvin  &bull; Na Na Na C'mon!  11:19, 3 October 2011 (UTC)
 * Haha thank you too! :D You can ask for a replacement anytime you want though :) <b style="white-space:nowrap; text-shadow:gray 5px 3px 1px; font-family:Arial; color:#4169E1;">Novice7</b> (<b style="font-family:Arial; color:#B0C4DE;">talk</b>) 11:32, 3 October 2011 (UTC)

Hey
Mind reverting this revert for me? The user is bringin' in the IPs now to get his way. — Status  &#x7B;talk<sub style="margin-left:-3.5ex;">contribs  23:52, 2 October 2011 (UTC)
 * For some reason the abilities of using Twinkle whilst looking at the differences between revisions has been taken away from me. I can no longer revert to previous revisions for some reason. Calvin  &bull; Na Na Na C'mon!  23:53, 2 October 2011 (UTC)
 * You can still revert, no? — Status  &#x7B;talk<sub style="margin-left:-3.5ex;">contribs  23:54, 2 October 2011 (UTC)
 * No, I just said that I can no longer do it for some reason, the buttons do not appear, above the two different revisions. I can't list articles for RPP etc on articles. (yet for some reason, the drop down list works here on my talk page, but the only option on articles from the drop down list is "Move".) Calvin  &bull; Na Na Na C'mon!  23:57, 2 October 2011 (UTC)
 * I've managed to get it working again now. Calvin  &bull; Na Na Na C'mon!  00:02, 3 October 2011 (UTC)
 * Wow, that's really weird. Thank you so much! Don't wanna get myself banned, haha! — Status  &#x7B;talk<sub style="margin-left:-3.5ex;">contribs  00:08, 3 October 2011 (UTC)
 * I had to untick then tick Twinkle again my preferences. And I could only see one IP in that article's most recent history? Where is his "gang" of other IPs changing the content? lol Calvin  &bull; Na Na Na C'mon!  00:09, 3 October 2011 (UTC)
 * I'm like Raven, I can see the future. ;) — Status  &#x7B;talk<sub style="margin-left:-3.5ex;">contribs  00:18, 3 October 2011 (UTC)
 * Lol okay. Well when the IPs come, instead of edit warring with them, list the article for RPP. Calvin  &bull; Na Na Na C'mon!  00:19, 3 October 2011 (UTC)

Fading
I looooooooveeeeeeee that song. And it looks good to me. It satisfies WP:GNG and WP:NSONGS. ★Jivesh 1205★ (talk / ♫♫Give 4 a try!!!♫♫) 18:23, 3 October 2011 (UTC)
 * Calvin, is one section missing? ★Jivesh 1205★ (talk / ♫♫Give 4 a try!!!♫♫) 18:24, 3 October 2011 (UTC)
 * What? That is all there sections there can be. Calvin  &bull; Na Na Na C'mon!  18:24, 3 October 2011 (UTC)
 * I just realized you missed a composition section. Lol. You can nominate it for GA since in my opinion, this is obviously a B-Class article. ★Jivesh 1205★ (talk / ♫♫Give 4 a try!!!♫♫) 18:31, 3 October 2011 (UTC)
 * I did know that before I wrote the article, it was the first thing I looked for on Musicnotes. There isn't enough Composition info to warrant it's own section, or even to be in the title of Critical reception. There is just a few mentions of genre in the reviews.  Calvin  &bull; Na Na Na C'mon!  18:33, 3 October 2011 (UTC)
 * I will review the article. At least I will try ! — Tomica1111  &bull;  Question Existing?  18:36, 3 October 2011 (UTC)
 * No don't. You are on the Wikiproject and I don't want someone saying that you will be bias. I would rather wait for someone else. But thanks. Calvin  &bull; Na Na Na C'mon!  18:36, 3 October 2011 (UTC)
 * Lol at the edit summary you used to reply to Tom. — WP: PENGUIN  · [ TALK ]  18:38, 3 October 2011 (UTC)
 * Ahhhh okay. Hey is it rue both BTINH and "Halo" were performed on the X-Factor UK? They both rose considerably especially the former in Ireland. ★Jivesh 1205★ (talk / ♫♫Give 4 a try!!!♫♫) 18:39, 3 October 2011 (UTC)
 * Lol, I don't know if he posted here first then going to open the review or if he has already opened the review and then posted here, so i though i would try and catch his attention! haha Calvin  &bull; Na Na Na C'mon!  18:40, 3 October 2011 (UTC) And Jivesh, which X Factor's are we talking about? There are loads. As far as I know, Halo was never performed outside the US. BTINH had was perfomed on X Factor France a few months ago.  Calvin  &bull; Na Na Na C'mon!
 * Hey guys, what do you all think of this? ★Jivesh 1205★ (talk / ♫♫Give 4 a try!!!♫♫) 18:42, 3 October 2011 (UTC)
 * Lol Calvin, i did write UK. I meant by a contestant. ★Jivesh 1205★ (talk / ♫♫Give 4 a try!!!♫♫) 18:43, 3 October 2011 (UTC)
 * I posted and opened it, and later saw your reply? Do you want to remove my name from their and not review it? Btw Jivesh, I think is hardcore and sexy :D ! — Tomica1111  &bull;  Question Existing?  18:44, 3 October 2011 (UTC)
 * Lol that pic is more extreme than Willow Smith! ;) — WP: PENGUIN  · [ TALK ]  18:45, 3 October 2011 (UTC)
 * When i see that image, i feel sorry for Jay-Z. Lol. ★Jivesh 1205★ (talk / ♫♫Give 4 a try!!!♫♫) 18:46, 3 October 2011 (UTC)
 * ERGH keep getting, 7 FUCKING TIMES, LET ME RESPOND! A group performed BTINH from what I can remember. I can't remember someone singing Halo, but they might of. Calvin  &bull; Na Na Na C'mon!  18:46, 3 October 2011 (UTC)
 * Penguin, you are so right. Lol. Calvin, can you find me a source? I searched but i n vain. I have so far got 6 edit conflicts here. ★Jivesh 1205★ (talk / ♫♫Give 4 a try!!!♫♫) 18:50, 3 October 2011 (UTC)
 * Jivesh: Yeah I'll try, The Guardian might have reported on it. Tomica: I would have appreciated you asking me if I wanted you to review it, not tell me. Calvin  &bull; Na Na Na C'mon!  18:51, 3 October 2011 (UTC)
 * Penguin, if you come back, have a look at the hurricane slaying here. Thanks Calvin. ★Jivesh 1205★ (talk / ♫♫Give 4 a try!!!♫♫) 18:53, 3 October 2011 (UTC)
 * Lol I sense a lip-sync video coming! — WP: PENGUIN  · [ TALK ]  18:55, 3 October 2011 (UTC)
 * Press CTRL+F Jivesh and type Best Thing I Never Had Calvin  &bull; Na Na Na C'mon!  18:56, 3 October 2011 (UTC)
 * What do you mean by lip-sync? Hmmm, the performance was live. ★Jivesh 1205★ (talk / ♫♫Give 4 a try!!!♫♫) 18:56, 3 October 2011 (UTC)
 * No, even better a cover of WMH! — WP: PENGUIN  · [ TALK ]  18:58, 3 October 2011 (UTC)
 * Thanks Calvin. Penguin, i still cannot understand. What is WMH? ★Jivesh 1205★ (talk / ♫♫Give 4 a try!!!♫♫) 19:01, 3 October 2011 (UTC)
 * @Jivesh: "Just whip it...whip it real good" How about now? — WP: PENGUIN  · [ TALK ]  19:02, 3 October 2011 (UTC)
 * "Whip My Hair"? ★Jivesh 1205★ (talk / ♫♫Give 4 a try!!!♫♫) 19:03, 3 October 2011 (UTC)
 * Have you ever had a look at my collection of gifs? ★Jivesh 1205★ (talk / ♫♫Give 4 a try!!!♫♫) 19:04, 3 October 2011 (UTC)
 * No? — WP: PENGUIN  · [ TALK ]  19:05, 3 October 2011 (UTC)
 * Enjoy. My favorite is the first one itself. ★Jivesh 1205★ (talk / ♫♫Give 4 a try!!!♫♫) 19:07, 3 October 2011 (UTC)
 * Jivesh, I'd really like to use the drop down tracklising device on the Loud singles/songs because 9 out of 11 songs from Loud have an article now. Calvin  &bull; Na Na Na C'mon!  19:26, 3 October 2011 (UTC)
 * Okay. Surprise!!!!!!!!!!!!!! ★Jivesh 1205★ (talk / ♫♫Give 4 a try!!!♫♫) 19:33, 3 October 2011 (UTC)
 * Thanks, also, look at this. Calvin  &bull; Na Na Na C'mon!  19:34, 3 October 2011 (UTC)


 * Aren't they the same? And she is pregnant in the video. Yaaaaaaaaaassssssss!!!!!!!!! 19:42, 3 October 2011 (UTC)
 * You gave MTV, I gave Rap Up. Also, did you have to make a template for that drop down list? How did u do it? Calvin  &bull; Na Na Na C'mon!  19:43, 3 October 2011 (UTC)
 * The videos are the same. In fact, i did not do that. Look at 4 talk-page. You may get an idea. See thsi. ★Jivesh 1205★ (talk / ♫♫Give 4 a try!!!♫♫) 19:45, 3 October 2011 (UTC)
 * I don't get it. Don't worry. Calvin  &bull; Na Na Na C'mon!  19:49, 3 October 2011 (UTC)
 * I would have talked to the user for you. But i have stopped interacting with him for personal reasons. ★Jivesh 1205★ (talk / ♫♫Give 4 a try!!!♫♫) 19:52, 3 October 2011 (UTC)
 * I Help When I Can? Calvin  &bull; Na Na Na C'mon!  19:53, 3 October 2011 (UTC)
 * Yes. I have to go now Calvin. Take care. ★Jivesh 1205★ (talk / ♫♫Give 4 a try!!!♫♫) 19:54, 3 October 2011 (UTC)
 * Hmmmmmmm. I am not sure. ★Jivesh 1205★ (talk / ♫♫Give 4 a try!!!♫♫) 12:51, 4 October 2011 (UTC)

Talk That Talk
Talk That Talk has been confirmed as the album's anme by Billboard, rap-Up and Digital Spy Syedwaheedhussain (talk) 17:56, 4 October 2011 (UTC)
 * Yes, I know, I've sourced the relevant articles. But I created the article a few weeks ago and it was nominated for AfD, but the result was Incubate. I've asked for it to be un-incubated, so be patient. Calvin  &bull; Na Na Na C'mon!  17:58, 4 October 2011 (UTC) And I don't appreciate you copying from the article I created.  Calvin  &bull; Na Na Na C'mon!  18:01, 4 October 2011 (UTC)
 * What's incubate? You mean that someone will be making the article and finalising it and then put it up all together? Syedwaheedhussain (talk) 18:01, 4 October 2011 (UTC)
 * Incubate means when an article doesn't have enough information to be open for everyone to see, but has enough not to be deleted from wikipedia. People looking for the article won't find it, but it does exist. But you've already copied what I wrote from We Found Love, which is the same from the incubated article. That is why the article you just created has been nominated for Speedy Deletion, as I've created it already. Calvin  &bull; Na Na Na C'mon!  18:03, 4 October 2011 (UTC)
 * Okay. So can I see it. I will not copy it. I promise. If I copy it you will know right? So please give me the link? If you don't mind. Thank you. Syedwaheedhussain (talk) 18:10, 4 October 2011 (UTC)
 * I wrote and created We Found Love. And no, I'm not giving you the link. I've already created the article and that is the one that will be used. I'm pretty sure the one you just created will be deleted. Calvin  &bull; Na Na Na C'mon! 18:12, 4 October 2011 (UTC)


 * Oh. Its okay. Thank you. :) Syedwaheedhussain (talk) 18:13, 4 October 2011 (UTC)

Ri-Ri album
The title is right. ★Jivesh 1205★ (talk / ♫♫Give 4 a try!!!♫♫) 17:06, 4 October 2011 (UTC)
 * Fam Palab not in view. Lol. ★Jivesh 1205★ (talk / ♫♫Give 4 a try!!!♫♫) 17:08, 4 October 2011 (UTC)
 * Yeah but no one had source it. I am sourcing them now. Calvin  &bull; Na Na Na C'mon!  17:08, 4 October 2011 (UTC)
 * Talk that Talk. Kind off stupid name. Can't understand it's meaning. — Tomica1111  &bull;  Question Existing?  17:11, 4 October 2011 (UTC)
 * Oh yes, the title is weird but even 4 was a weird title (at least for me). ★Jivesh 1205★ (talk / ♫♫Give 4 a try!!!♫♫) 17:13, 4 October 2011 (UTC)
 * Here is how Rihanna feels about the title. Lol. ★Jivesh 1205★ (talk / ♫♫Give 4 a try!!!♫♫) 17:14, 4 October 2011 (UTC)
 * Yeah I'm not bowled over by it to be honest. A lot of her albums are about not caring what people thinks of her, especially in Cheers, so I'm guessing thats the theme of the album. By the way Jivesh, you know the article for her album got incubated, does it mean it can be unincubated now it has a name? Just wondering. Calvin  &bull; Na Na Na C'mon!  17:15, 4 October 2011 (UTC)
 * Yeah I was about to ask, I think now we can create the album page. Btw I will make my analysis about her album names. Music of the Sun, sounds childish to me, A Girl Like Me mmm Okay... Good Girl Gone Bad - 100% original, Rated R - a good one, Loud - sassy as she described it, but this one xD ! Btw 4 has a lot meaning to Beyonce, I think it's a good name. Btw you are crazy with all your animations xD !
 * It was a joke Calvin. Lol. Yes, you can both apply for that. Do you know who incubated the article? ★Jivesh 1205★ (talk / ♫♫Give 4 a try!!!♫♫) 17:21, 4 October 2011 (UTC)
 * It already exists, it's just been incubated. 4 makes sense and has actual reasoning behind. We will have to wait for Rihanna to explain this. And what was a joke Jivesh? Calvin  &bull; Na Na Na C'mon!  17:23, 4 October 2011 (UTC)
 * Of course, i love those animations. Did you see my entire list? Yeah, 4 is indeed meaningful for Beyonce. The gif was intended for a joke. I strongly believe Rihanna cares for everything she does. ★Jivesh 1205★ (talk / ♫♫Give 4 a try!!!♫♫) 17:24, 4 October 2011 (UTC)
 * Here is the one knowing no limits when it becomes to her behavior. ★Jivesh 1205★ (talk / ♫♫Give 4 a try!!!♫♫) 17:25, 4 October 2011 (UTC)
 * Oh right I wasn't talking about the picture though? Calvin  &bull; Na Na Na C'mon!  17:25, 4 October 2011 (UTC)
 * I really disgust her [Gaga]. Awful person. — Tomica1111  &bull;  Question Existing?  17:27, 4 October 2011 (UTC)
 * Tommy, have a look here. Oops sorry Calvin, i thought you were. Hey i love this video. Do you know about this song? ★Jivesh 1205★ (talk / ♫♫Give 4 a try!!!♫♫) 17:29, 4 October 2011 (UTC)
 * And her fans call Beyonce a banshee. ★Jivesh 1205★ (talk / ♫♫Give 4 a try!!!♫♫) 17:30, 4 October 2011 (UTC)
 * Lol Jivesh you are tooooo funny. Calvin  &bull; Na Na Na C'mon!  17:30, 4 October 2011 (UTC)
 * Haha the first one is funny and the second sexy :P. The first one is from Countdown, but I don't know the song or video for the second, however it's kind of familiar to me, but can't remember. — Tomica1111  &bull;  Question Existing?  17:32, 4 October 2011 (UTC)
 * Green Light Tomica. Calvin  &bull; Na Na Na C'mon!  17:33, 4 October 2011 (UTC)
 * I know Calvin. Lol. Thanks. I tell you, these Gaga fans, if it were tome, i would just ...... and let them know that this is how you leave an impact. I hope you are both clapping your hands for me?. Lol. ★Jivesh 1205★ (talk / ♫♫Give 4 a try!!!♫♫) 17:34, 4 October 2011 (UTC)
 * I wonder when Beyonce is releasing her video for "Party". ★Jivesh 1205★ (talk / ♫♫Give 4 a try!!!♫♫) 17:36, 4 October 2011 (UTC)
 * Is that from the actual Party video? Calvin  &bull; Na Na Na C'mon!  17:37, 4 October 2011 (UTC)
 * Hahahahaahhaahh LOL. You are 100% crazy, but I agree with you. Btw 10X Calvin :) ! — Tomica1111  &bull;  Question Existing?  17:38, 4 October 2011 (UTC)
 * What does "10X" mean??? Calvin  &bull; Na Na Na C'mon!  17:39, 4 October 2011 (UTC)
 * No, it is form her Heat launch party. Do you want to have a look at how the fans on UKMix are right now? ★Jivesh 1205★ (talk / ♫♫Give 4 a try!!!♫♫) 17:39, 4 October 2011 (UTC)
 * Thanks (Ten X) :) Haha it's funny. — Tomica1111  &bull;  Question Existing?  17:40, 4 October 2011 (UTC)
 * Rihanna fans are currently like this on UKMix. ★Jivesh 1205★ (talk / ♫♫Give 4 a try!!!♫♫) 17:42, 4 October 2011 (UTC)

Re: Talk That Talk
This page definitely did not qualify for A1 speedy deletion — 1,680 characters of encyclopedic content is not "no content whatsoever, or consists only of external links, category tags, a "see also" section, a rephrasing of the title, an attempt to correspond with the person or group named by its title, chat-like comments and/or images". Of course, a page may be speedied for reasons other than that for which it has been tagged, but A9 (non-important music articles) doesn't apply because the artist has an article, and G4 (pages deleted at AFD) doesn't apply because the AFD did not result in deletion. Moreover, your reversion is entirely inappropriate: it is quite disruptive to continue nominating something for deletion when it has been declined by an admin. Finally, you should read the "abuse" section of Twinkle — "Anti-vandalism tools, such as Twinkle, Huggle, and rollback should not be used to undo good-faith changes in content disputes unless an appropriate edit summary is used." Your edit summaries are definitely not appropriate; if you revert a third time, I will request that your Twinkle access be removed. Nyttend (talk) 18:32, 4 October 2011 (UTC)
 * Before you edited the article, it was a copyvio because you weren't attributed as an author of the text, and it thus could have been deleted under speedy criterion G12, which gets rid of copyvios. However, you've edited this article and thus are credited as one of its authors.  Nyttend (talk) 18:34, 4 October 2011 (UTC)
 * First, I nominated it when it only had a one sentence long lead. There was NO background info. And I haven't edited in the sense of improving, all I did was two reverts to restore the deletion tag. I'm sorry, but I want the one in the incubator to be the article used, otherwise it undermines everything that people got involved for in order to result in being incubated. Plus, this article is smaller than the one in the incubator, so someone would nominate to be deleted within the next few hours. An IP user, who clearly doesn't know what he or she is talking about, removed the tag. I am perfectly justified in those two reverts for the tag to stay there. Calvin  &bull; Na Na Na C'mon!  18:38, 4 October 2011 (UTC)
 * The lead is not the only thing: the entire content of the page must be virtually nothing. Your reasons for nominating this article for speedy deletion are blatantly invalid, and thus reverting an admin on it is nothing better than forum shopping.  Your reversions are sufficient for copyright purposes, and showing off your own work is not a valid reason for speedy deletion.  Nyttend (talk) 18:44, 4 October 2011 (UTC)
 * it's not showing off my own work, it's undermining the thoughts and opinions of 25 other editors who came to a consensus that the article I created be incubated, which it is! The one i created is a lot more information than this one, so what makes you think this is one is worthy of remaining? Calvin  &bull; Na Na Na C'mon!  18:46, 4 October 2011 (UTC)
 * That question is irrelevant: you have completely failed to show that any speedy deletion criterion applies here, and thus the page does not qualify for speedy deletion. I have no opinion on what should be done with the page.  Moreover, "I worked hard on that article" is a good example of caring about the importance of your own work: when it comes to our policies, the difficulty or lack thereof doesn't matter one little bit.  Nyttend (talk) 20:40, 4 October 2011 (UTC)
 * I nominated it for speedy deletion when it had a one line lead only, no other sections, plus I knew the history of what had been going on with regard to the incubated article, I can't help that you didn't know. I was explaining to you, the editor who created the article and an IP, but you wasn't listening or taking any notice of what I said. And yes, I did work hard on it, so what? I care about Rihanna articles and the ones i am heavily involved with in editing. I don't deny, and shouldn't be made to feel like I should. Bottom line, you was listening to what I was saying even though I was right and justified. But anyway, it doesn't matter now. The re-creation of an incubated article has been deleted. If I hadn't of nominated for deletion, I guarantee I know people on here who would have been AfDing within 30 to 60 minutes. Calvin  &bull; Na Na Na C'mon!  20:59, 4 October 2011 (UTC)

Re: Incubation
Lol - God, what rubbish timing. Perhaps I should have waited a day to close the AFD, but someone else would have just come by - and maybe deleted. Yes, the title helps. I'd take a day to cleanup some of the prose (esp. the lead) and firmly source the title (This might help with that). A lot of the concern at the AFD revolved around the title and the release date; with the title, we now need to make sure we have that firm release date. If so, we might be in good shape. I don't want to move this back and see it re-nominated. I'll pitch in, a bit - but it's not exactly my area of expertise. Good luck, UltraExactZZ Said~ Did 19:39, 4 October 2011 (UTC)
 * Lol. I've already created a sub section dedicated to the titling, but there is only so much i can write with the current courses at the moment. Thanks. Calvin  &bull; Na Na Na C'mon!  19:48, 4 October 2011 (UTC)
 * That's me as well, I'm about done for the day. Take a crack at it later on, and let me know when you've got it where you want it. If you remove concerns about the lack of a title, the AFD was a slam-dunk Keep - so, if it's a clean article and the refs are in order, I think we can move it back. UltraExactZZ Said~ Did 20:02, 4 October 2011 (UTC)
 * Okay thanks. Calvin  &bull; Na Na Na C'mon!  20:54, 4 October 2011 (UTC)

✅ I've moved the article back to Talk That Talk, over the redirect. UltraExactZZ Said~ Did 12:17, 5 October 2011 (UTC)
 * Thanks Calvin  &bull; Na Na Na C'mon!  13:16, 5 October 2011 (UTC)

Thank Goodness...
...they at least voted to incubate the "Talk That Talk" article page. A straight up delete would not have made a lick of sense! They were a bunch of Rihanna haters posing as seasoned and sensible editors, I say! That whole deletion nomination was total crap!-- miko mango  mwa!  22:11, 4 October 2011 (UTC)
 * Lol, well now it has a title, the guy that incubated said it would have been a Keep if we had of know the name beforehand. Bad times. Lol. Calvin  &bull; Na Na Na C'mon!  22:19, 4 October 2011 (UTC)
 * So now it's basically just a waiting game for the powers that be to remove from incubation?-- miko mango  mwa!  22:56, 4 October 2011 (UTC)
 * Kind of. I'm still making edits to make sure the article as it is, is perfect, so that nothing can be said against it. Calvin  &bull; Na Na Na C'mon!  23:02, 4 October 2011 (UTC)
 * ^^This. My only reservation about de-incubating is the incredibly short time since it was actually incubated. I want to avoid a re-nomination (and the drama that goes with it) if at all possible. A day or two to fine-tune the prose and the format of the article should do the trick - from what I can see, it's almost there anyway. UltraExactZZ Said~ Did 02:54, 5 October 2011 (UTC)
 * Makes perfect sense. Protect your fortress in case the big guns come out to tear it down, just because it exists.-- miko mango  mwa!  03:22, 5 October 2011 (UTC)
 * Guys, someone just created the article again, and I have Afd'd for the reason of recreation of an article which has been incubated. I think it might be best to un-incubate this article A.S.A.P now, because otherwise, people will just keep on re-creating it. Calvin  &bull; Na Na Na C'mon!  09:38, 5 October 2011 (UTC)
 * This is why i hate incubating articles. ★Jivesh 1205★ (talk / ♫♫Give 4 a try!!!♫♫) 09:40, 5 October 2011 (UTC)
 * What has been created now is just a redirect, not an article. There is no harm in leaving it in place: if and when the article is ready it can replace the redirect. Also, AFD is Articles for deletion: if you want a redirect deleted the place is WP:Redirects for discussion. However, like Jivesh I don't like incubation. In my experience it is rarely helpful. JamesBWatson (talk) 09:51, 5 October 2011 (UTC)
 * I got someone who shares my opinion. Lol. Thanks. Happy editing. ★Jivesh 1205★ (talk / ♫♫Give 4 a try!!!♫♫) 10:00, 5 October 2011 (UTC)
 * Meh. From my read of the AFD, it was either incubate or delete. This seemed the better option. YMMV. UltraExactZZ Said~ Did 12:19, 5 October 2011 (UTC)
 * Glad this process has finally come to an end!!! Lord, there are so many double standards around here.-- miko mango  mwa!  21:40, 5 October 2011 (UTC)

"Hard"
Maybe. The basic structure is there. I will not give you false hope though. Start from PR. Get opinions. --Efe (talk) 15:05, 8 October 2011 (UTC)
 * Thanks. Also, same for Rude Boy? Calvin  &bull; Na Na Na C'mon!  16:15, 8 October 2011 (UTC)

"Wait Your Turn"
Can you give the duration(s), maybe? I'm asking for this because I have a history of wrong portion uploads lol. <b style="white-space:nowrap; text-shadow:gray 5px 3px 1px; font-family:Arial; color:#4169E1;">Novice7</b> (<b style="font-family:Arial; color:#B0C4DE;">talk</b>) 11:59, 9 October 2011 (UTC)
 * A section from the chorus is fine :). Thanks. Calvin  &bull; Na Na Na C'mon!  12:04, 9 October 2011 (UTC)
 * I've included the "the game is played... wait your turn.." part too. I hope it's okay: File:Rihanna - Wait Your Turn.ogg :) <b style="white-space:nowrap; text-shadow:gray 5px 3px 1px; font-family:Arial; color:#4169E1;">Novice7</b> (<b style="font-family:Arial; color:#B0C4DE;">talk</b>) 12:15, 9 October 2011 (UTC)
 * Cool thankssss :) Calvin  &bull; Na Na Na C'mon!  12:38, 9 October 2011 (UTC)

"Help me plz"
hey, i don't know if you remember me from the day we had an argue on We Found Love topic. anyway, u told me, do not delete my warns and msgs and make an archive page for them. actually i don't know how to do it to pass them to another page like your talk page. i wonder if you can help me on this. Thank you ( Reza  ( Talk 2 Me ) 12:43, 9 October 2011 (UTC))
 * it looks like someone had already done it. Calvin  &bull; Na Na Na C'mon!  12:50, 9 October 2011 (UTC)
 * I kinda searched through the talk pages and copy paste some codes... is it correct? ( Reza  ( Talk 2 Me ) 12:53, 9 October 2011 (UTC))
 * No. Calvin  &bull; Na Na Na C'mon!  12:55, 9 October 2011 (UTC)
 * can you fix it for me, plz? ( Reza  ( Talk 2 Me ) 12:58, 9 October 2011 (UTC))
 * I don't know how to. Calvin  &bull; Na Na Na C'mon!  13:02, 9 October 2011 (UTC)

Skin
So, this is happening right now. Skin is the official music being used in the Rihanna Armani campaign. I was thinking about beginning work on an article for Skin, do you think it passes WP:NSONGS and WP:GNG? I think it does, but before I begin work, I just wanted to ask you. (BTW, I learned today from a fellow Wikipedian that there are SEVERAL articles on Beyonce songs that have never charted anywhere, any place...what a double standard!!!)-- miko mango  mwa!  21:38, 5 October 2011 (UTC)
 * Skin has not charted but i can pass WP:GNG. As far as i know, there was even an official remix of that song as it was supposed to be the lead single form the re-release of Loud. So here is your background information. Concerning the Beyonce articles, well as you see even they have not charted and without flattering myself, the articles are well-maintained.


 * Suga Mama
 * Freakum Dress
 * Flaws and All
 * Still in Love (Kissing You)
 * Kitty Kat (song) (It has charted but it was deleted several times. Then, i created it again in 2011.)

★Jivesh 1205★ (talk / ♫♫Give 4 a try!!!♫♫) 04:36, 6 October 2011 (UTC)


 * I've already written what could be used as a article for Skin. Calvin  &bull; Na Na Na C'mon!  11:12, 6 October 2011 (UTC)
 * Where is it? I am so eager to see. ★Jivesh 1205★ (talk / ♫♫Give 4 a try!!!♫♫) 11:16, 6 October 2011 (UTC)
 * it isn't on wikipedia. Btw, Rihanna was AMAZING last night! When she sang Skin, she got a guy from the audience, laid him on a podium, held his hands down and all but simulated sex with him! i was so jealous! haha. The audience went crazy for Unfaithful/Hate That I Love You/CKB/Take A Bow, the latter of which the audience started singing when the first few keys were played, and she looked so happy and taken aback, as we sang it to her. I'm so pumped to meet her next month! Calvin  &bull; Na Na Na C'mon!  11:20, 6 October 2011 (UTC)
 * Oh my goodness. Her sex appeal is just........... You are meeting her? Now you are really making me jealous. "Skin" should have been a single and its music video should have been shot in the Amazonian forest. That would have been hot. ★Jivesh 1205★ (talk / ♫♫Give 4 a try!!!♫♫) 11:23, 6 October 2011 (UTC)
 * yes, next month! So exited! She remixed Pon de Replay with What's My Name, i was SO good! Then she went into Rude Boy. I left a message on Tomica's talk page about it too. Calvin  &bull; Na Na Na C'mon!  11:26, 6 October 2011 (UTC)
 * Calvin, do you really mean you are meeting her in person? Why are you so lucky!!!!!!!!!!!! ★Jivesh 1205★ (talk / ♫♫Give 4 a try!!!♫♫) 11:29, 6 October 2011 (UTC)
 * yes I am! I'll have a picture to prove it too! I don't know if you know who she is, but I've met Alexandra Burke before on her tour. Calvin  &bull; Na Na Na C'mon!  11:31, 6 October 2011 (UTC)
 * I know her as she stans hard for Beyonce. She won X-Factor by singing a song of Beyonce. ★Jivesh 1205★ (talk / ♫♫Give 4 a try!!!♫♫) 11:35, 6 October 2011 (UTC)
 * Yeah, her and B are good friends. Went I saw Beyonce on tour in May 2009, Alexandra Burke and Ciara were in the audience at the 02 Arena. Alexandra is a really nice person, very down to earth. Calvin  &bull; Na Na Na C'mon!  11:39, 6 October 2011 (UTC)
 * Just like Beyonce. ?Have you talked to her? ★Jivesh 1205★ (talk / ♫♫Give 4 a try!!!♫♫) 11:40, 6 October 2011 (UTC)
 * talked to who? Alexandra? yeahhhh, i met her at her concert! spoke to her for a few minutes, got a picture, she signed my tour program and ticket.
 * Wooooooooooowwwwwwwwww. ★Jivesh 1205★ (talk / ♫♫Give 4 a try!!!♫♫) 11:51, 6 October 2011 (UTC)
 * When i meet Rihanna, it's the same. Speak to her for a few minutes, get a picture, signs something. Calvin  &bull; Na Na Na C'mon!  12:01, 6 October 2011 (UTC)


 * If there is enough information to meet WP:GNG, go ahead. Let me see the article when you finish. ★Jivesh 1205★ (talk / ♫♫Give 4 a try!!!♫♫) 17:58, 6 October 2011 (UTC)
 * Look here: Skin (Rihanna song). I didn't know but someone had created the article last November, then re-directed it in the same edit. Calvin  &bull; Na Na Na C'mon!  18:01, 6 October 2011 (UTC)
 * If I ever have a chance to meet Rihanna, I would kiss her in mouth and run away :P Of course after we take a picture :). — Tomica1111  &bull;  Question Existing?  18:02, 6 October 2011 (UTC)
 * Oh my goodness Tommy. Calvin, it is wayyyyyyyyyy better than "Fading" but why do you always merge composition with another section? ★Jivesh 1205★ (talk / ♫♫Give 4 a try!!!♫♫) 18:05, 6 October 2011 (UTC)
 * Sometimes, you need to interpret the information and build your own sentences. I will post some examples in a while. ★Jivesh 1205★ (talk / ♫♫Give 4 a try!!!♫♫) 18:06, 6 October 2011 (UTC)
 * Because the background is about 3 lines long? The composition section if big, but the background is not. Calvin  &bull; Na Na Na C'mon!  18:07, 6 October 2011 (UTC)


 * From what i see you could have written

"Skin" is a song that draws from the genres of rock and R&B. It also contains elements of pop, dance-pop as well as dubstep. According to the digital music sheet published at musicnotes.com, the song is written in the key of G minor and is set in common time with a moderate groove of 62 beats per minute. The song is instrumentally complete with bass instruments, synthesizers and and an electric guitar. As commented by Robbie Daw of Idolator, the song's "real" hook is "the fuzzy electric guitar" that begins sawing through the melody about three minutes in, and continues building until it reaches "a, er, climactic[sic] solo at the very end." Rihanna's vocal range in the song spans from the low note of G3 to the high note of B♭4. As noted by Mackay, her vocals sound "restrained" and "controlled". Throughout the song, Rihanna sounds "suspenseful" and "sultry" as she sings the lyrics "I got secrets that I wanna show you".


 * You should learn to differentiate between what is critical reception and what is composition. ★Jivesh 1205★ (talk / ♫♫Give 4 a try!!!♫♫) 18:19, 6 October 2011 (UTC)
 * What's your point? No Jivesh, the background of the song is 3 lines long, so I combined it with the composition so that it wouldn't look weak or small. Calvin  &bull; Na Na Na C'mon!  18:21, 6 October 2011 (UTC)
 * You can change it to that if you want to. Calvin  &bull; Na Na Na C'mon!  18:23, 6 October 2011 (UTC)


 * Nah Calvin, you did well by merging them as they are indeed short but your style of crafting a composition section is not good. Composition =/=music reviews. ★Jivesh 1205★ (talk / ♫♫Give 4 a try!!!♫♫) 18:25, 6 October 2011 (UTC)
 * Well, if it's not good, then why not change it??? Calvin  &bull; Na Na Na C'mon!  18:26, 6 October 2011 (UTC)
 * I hope you are not getting me wrong. I am trying to help. You should change it yourself Calvin, this is how you will learn more and more. Trust me Calvin. My intentions towards you are genuinely sincere. ★Jivesh 1205★ (talk / ♫♫Give 4 a try!!!♫♫) 18:29, 6 October 2011 (UTC)
 * I've changed it as yours is better. I thought you mean't that you had your mind and that it shouldn't be changed, that's why I said "why not change it?". Calvin  &bull; Na Na Na C'mon!  18:33, 6 October 2011 (UTC) And where is the source for this?: "The song is instrumentally complete with bass instruments, synthesizers and and an electric guitar." Did you just adapt it from the reviews?  Calvin  &bull; Na Na Na C'mon!  18:34, 6 October 2011 (UTC)
 * Ah okay Calvin. Of course Calvin, that's why album reviews are used in composition. Remember how many times i have posted Beyonce's articles as examples. Were you thinking that i get all those information "word by word" from album reviews? Lol. ★Jivesh 1205★ (talk / ♫♫Give 4 a try!!!♫♫) 18:37, 6 October 2011 (UTC)
 * Can you put the relevant source in for that sentence please? I'm in a rush to go out and I need to get off of Wikipedia! Calvin  &bull; Na Na Na C'mon!  18:38, 6 October 2011 (UTC)
 * I will link it. ★Jivesh 1205★ (talk / ♫♫Give 4 a try!!!♫♫) 18:39, 6 October 2011 (UTC)
 * You must see this. ★Jivesh 1205★ (talk / ♫♫Give 4 a try!!!♫♫) 18:57, 6 October 2011 (UTC)

Okay. I've been at the mechanic (with my ailing car) for the past few days, so I missed this WHOLE exchange. Thank you SO MUCH for starting the Skin article!!! LOVE IT!!!-- miko mango  mwa!  20:26, 6 October 2011 (UTC)
 * Thanks both of you. Calvin  &bull; Na Na Na C'mon!  22:52, 6 October 2011 (UTC)
 * -comment deleted-- never mind. what i just typed doesn't even matter. thanks for your comment!-- miko mango  mwa!  01:15, 7 October 2011 (UTC)
 * It is good that you have split the section but Calvin, the composition is like a critical reception. There are reviews there. Please Calvin, go on the page for Beyonce's song "I Miss You" and see how a used the same reference for both Composition and Critical reception. I am sure you will understand. Let me know. ★Jivesh 1205★ (talk / ♫♫Give 4 a try!!!♫♫) 14:59, 7 October 2011 (UTC)
 * I haven't got as much composition info as that! Look at those two section for I Miss You, then Fading. It's obvious there isn't as much info. Calvin  &bull; Na Na Na C'mon!  15:14, 7 October 2011 (UTC)
 * Calvin, i am telling you again. You have. If i can do it, you can also do it. I believe in you. The information is already there but it depends how you interpret it. And try searching for more sources. Filter at least 30pages when searching for reviews. Sometimes the best reviews are in the the 20th page or ahead. ★Jivesh 1205★ (talk / ♫♫Give 4 a try!!!♫♫) 15:17, 7 October 2011 (UTC)


 * Calvin, let's suppose i agree with you. Fading has only 23 references but have a look at "Radio (Beyoncé Knowles song)". Also see "End of Time (Beyoncé Knowles song)" (only 12 reviews). ★Jivesh 1205★ (talk / ♫♫Give 4 a try!!!♫♫) 15:25, 7 October 2011 (UTC)
 * Countdown was just shown on TV. Calvin  &bull; Na Na Na C'mon!  16:09, 7 October 2011 (UTC)
 * It has already been released to UK channels??? Wow. Do you like the video? I like Beyonce with that short black hair. ★Jivesh 1205★ (talk / ♫♫Give 4 a try!!!♫♫) 16:18, 7 October 2011 (UTC)
 * Yeah. As soon as video's are released, UK music channels play it. I don't know, I only saw half of it, not sure if I like it yet. Calvin  &bull; Na Na Na C'mon!  16:28, 7 October 2011 (UTC)

"As the MTV reporter said, the new generation might not appreciate what B is doing right now. ★Jivesh 1205★ (talk / ♫♫Give 4 a try!!!♫♫) 16:41, 7 October 2011 (UTC)
 * It's not that I'm not appreciating what she is doing, I love the album. I love the video for RTW, I loved the concept for 1+1, I thought BTINH was a bit generic. And I do think Countdown creates that colourful, west indian vibe, but with anything, I need to see it more than once. Calvin  &bull; Na Na Na C'mon!  16:44, 7 October 2011 (UTC)
 * Okay. LOl. The second half will kill you. I am sure. ★Jivesh 1205★ (talk / ♫♫Give 4 a try!!!♫♫) 17:01, 7 October 2011 (UTC)
 * It's okay. It's a bit like Why Don't You Love Me?. But I think with the west indian beat of the song, she could have done something much more authentic. I don't really get the point of the video, what's it's plot? Calvin  &bull; Na Na Na C'mon!  12:25, 8 October 2011 (UTC)
 * Well Calvin, it depends. If you can make it like "Freakum Dress" or "The Way You Love Me (Keri Hilson song)", the yes. ★Jivesh 1205★ (talk / ♫♫Give 4 a try!!!♫♫) 18:03, 8 October 2011 (UTC)
 * No I don't think so. Calvin  &bull; Na Na Na C'mon!  18:25, 8 October 2011 (UTC)
 * Wait, first tell me how many reviews mention the song? ★Jivesh 1205★ (talk / ♫♫Give 4 a try!!!♫♫) 18:47, 8 October 2011 (UTC)
 * About the same as Fading and Skin Calvin  &bull; Na Na Na C'mon!  19:15, 8 October 2011 (UTC)
 * Check you mail. The pics are so good. More leaked. ★Jivesh 1205★ (talk / ♫♫Give 4 a try!!!♫♫) 18:03, 9 October 2011 (UTC)