User talk:CalvinSpottedElk

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Talk:Wounded Knee Massacre
I've removed your email address, because you really don't want to put your email address on a Wikipedia page, unless you enjoy receiving thousands of spam messages. In any case, it isn't necessary, because facts in Wikipedia need to be verified by reliable sources- if you're aware of a fact that is incorrect in the exising article, just explain what change you think needs to be made, and the best published source that confirms it. Or, if it's a noncontroversial change that anyone who looks at your source will agree with, just make the change yourself in the article. Thanks! -FisherQueen (talk · contribs) 21:41, 21 September 2009 (UTC)

I can't figure my way around this place and there are a lot of errors regarding my family. (CalvinSpottedElk (talk) 04:49, 26 January 2010 (UTC))
 * You should be able to edit the page with an "edit" button at the top. However, it is a conflict of interest to edit pages relating to you, so this is strongly discouraged. Also, all changes need ot be backed up with reliable sources. Thank you.  fetch  comms  ☛ 04:53, 26 January 2010 (UTC)

September 2009
Welcome to Wikipedia. Your test on the page Wounded Knee Massacre worked, and has been removed. If you would like to experiment further, please use the sandbox. You may also wish to read the introduction to editing and its related help page for more information. Thank you.  Ron h jones (Talk) 22:26, 21 September 2009 (UTC)

Thank you for answering my question. Now I have another.

These pages are of historical importance and I can back them up with documentation since I am the last known remaining direct lineal descendant, so who will edit them for me, if I cannot edit them myself? Thanks again. (CalvinSpottedElk (talk) 05:04, 26 January 2010 (UTC))
 * You can edit them, but you should be very careful so as to not insert any original research and keep a neutral point of view.  fetch  comms  ☛ 05:07, 26 January 2010 (UTC)

How do I dispute the errors on the Lone Horn page without being cited for 'vandalism'

One Horn and Lone Horn were not the same person as is often mistaken. Black Buffalo was recorded in the Lewis and Clark Journals when he settled a dispute that broke out. His children were Afraid of Her, Hump, One Horn, Lone Horn, Pretty Woman and Rattling Blanket. My grandfather One Horn was the Son of Black Buffalo. Lone Horn was also a son. One Horn was the father of Chief Spotted Elk of the incident at Wounded Knee in 1890. One Horn died at Bear Butte, killed by a bull buffalo. Lone Horn then, as was the custom, took Spotted Elk into his family. Lone Horn was related to Crazy Horse and Touch the Clouds as well as Roaming Nose and Frog.

As for the source: The family tree on file with the Bureau of Indian Affairs shows this as do photos of each of them in the delegations to Washington.

What do you do when the existing sources are not in fact, "reliable sources"?

The problems with "reliable" sources on several of these pages is that they simply aren't. They may appear to be but the link is broken or in the case of the Lone Horn page, it isn't immediately obvious to someone who doesn't know the history. For instance, the painting attributed to George Caitlin part is correct but the name is not. Simply click on the picture itself and look at the source. You will see the Lakota name and beneath that a link to the Smithsonian showing "One Horn" NOT "Lone Horn".

Another problem with sources is that with many of these records pertaining to Wounded Knee, etc... many have not yet been digitized or are personal family trees within the Bureau of Indian Affairs. Some Census Records show the names, but this takes quite a lot of digging to produce. Photos held at the Denver Public library or Smithsonian institution often show the faces but are not always detailed enough to show the names of those in the delegations.

Within the pages I see here related to my grandfathers, there are so many errors I don't even know where to begin correcting. I try to correct the most obvious ones first, but I didn't write these articles and am not really a writer at all.

I can just tell you what is true and what is not.

So, in reading the above, (problem with 'reliable sources') is there an easy way to dispute lines within these articles, including the links to sources???? I can flag them if someone else can help me change them or point to me the way. I can also provide sources as best I can, whether it is a link to a photo at the Smithsonian I know contains my grandfathers or whether its a document I can scan and upload myself.

Can anyone help me with this? Somehow I created this page User:CalvinSpottedElk/Black Buffalo in this section and I wanted to be able to create several similar but I have gotten lost in the help pages and don't know what kind of page this is called. It seems to be a subset of my user which is fine until the pages are refined. (CalvinSpottedElk (talk) 06:08, 26 January 2010 (UTC))


 * I understand that you may have good knowledge about the subject in question. But if you add something factual to the article, then it has to be cited through reliable sources. By reliable sources, we mean the trusted sources of information. Like published books, journals, newspapers, magazines, news channels and their websites. If you cannot find any additional information, then you can remove the factual information that is not well referenced. Or any information that is likely to be challenged if provided without a reliable source.
 * If you think that those sources are not providing factually correct information then you can look for more reliable sources yourself. My personal favorite is Google Books. See these results, for example. As far as your own photos are concerned, you can upload them if you own them and nobody else has copyrights for them. A last request, kindly use the tag carefully. It is supposed to be put only once for a single question. You can put it again if you have a counter question to the answer provided by anyone else. Also these tags are supposed to be used only on talk pages. An easier way to refer to a subpage is to provide a link in your question.
 * Feel free to put another help tag. Or directly chat with us here.  Hamza  [ talk ]  07:49, 26 January 2010 (UTC)
 * Because you are a primary source, there is much issue of original research; thus, if you cannot find a reliable, third-party source, the information will probably not be corrected. See, Wikipedia is based on verifiability, not truth. So it could be correct info but not verified, and that's the issue.  fetch  comms  ☛ 13:43, 26 January 2010 (UTC)

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