User talk:Cameron/Archive/June08

Re: Just a quick note
That's perfectly fine. Good luck on your exams! Malinaccier (talk) 17:52, 1 June 2008 (UTC)

Scotland
Hey Cameron, thanks for standing up for me. I wouldn't mind Scotland using country, if England, Wales and Northern Ireland used it too. It's consistancy across those 4 articles, that I prefer. Oh well, at least the maps are in sync. GoodDay (talk) 17:23, 2 June 2008 (UTC)

Statustop template: alternate updating method
SoxBot V has been taken offline indefinitely, therefore Statustop now uses a semi-manual updating method taking the status from Special:Mypage/Status. You can use the Qui monobook script written by TheDJ to update this page at the click of a button.

Certain parameters are no longer used, so you may wish to check the documentation of the Statustop template to ensure you are using it properly. Please feel free to drop by my talk page with any questions or concerns or to report problems with the template. Happy editing, xenocidic ( talk ¿ listen ) 13:58, 3 June 2008 (UTC)
 * hey cameron. your status thingee is broken because StatusBot was "pwnd" by the dev/sysadmin team (taken offline permanently). If you're using FireFox, Safari, or Opera, you can use "Qui" (a program that you install in your monobook, like Twinkle or similar scripts, to semi-automatically update your status.


 * Alternatively, you could go the manual route and just change the text in Special:Mypage/Status to "offline" "online" or "busy" as necessary. Lastly, if Qui won't suit your needs, and you don't want to do it manually, you can use a method devised by Hersfold here: User:Hersfold/StatusTemplate.


 * Let me know if this isn't laymany enough for you or you need further assistance. =) oh and thanks for the congrats! xenocidic (talk) 13:40, 4 June 2008 (UTC)

Royal Residence in Wales
Heh, thanks! :D And you're right, the Queen has four royal residences in the UK: Windsor, Buckingham Palace and St James's Palace in England and the Palace of Holyroodhouse in Scotland. She's leaves Wales out. :( I'm not sure then where she stays while she's visiting Wales; I can't find anything about her stays there. I'll keep looking though, but there's an answer to the question. :) Best, PeterSymonds (talk)  17:47, 7 June 2008 (UTC)


 * Well, for her Golden Jubilee she spent the night in her train! This suggests that she stays anywhere and everywhere, though she only visits Wales once every few years at most. Best, PeterSymonds  (talk)  17:59, 7 June 2008 (UTC)


 * The thing is, the royal residences are all old, and have been there for ages. When the King at the time designated the residences, he wanted one in each country he controlled (some have changed, which is why there's 2 in England) and Wales was - at that time - part of England, not a separate nation.  Therefore, there is no official royal residence there ...... Dendodge  .. Talk Help 18:00, 7 June 2008 (UTC)

Thanks
Thanks Cameron! --Jack forbes (talk) 13:46, 11 June 2008 (UTC)

User pages
No prob, Cameron. GoodDay (talk) 13:46, 11 June 2008 (UTC)

Math Sucks
Was always crap at maths. Thankfully I dont worry about exams anymore. I do enjoy study and I'll probably do something. Psychology perhaps. Australia is still here. We're starting to tire of our golden boy, Kevin Rudd, already.--Gazzster (talk) 14:32, 11 June 2008 (UTC)
 * Cool. I am in my forties, young whippersnapper lol!--Gazzster (talk) 14:43, 11 June 2008 (UTC)

Castles in the United Kingdom
I've moved it to Castles in the United Kingdom. As the redirect had no history it could've been done by anyone. :) If you want "British Isles" I think that's a bit more controversial, so I would recommend WP:RM. Considering all the castles listed are in the United Kingdom it seems prudent to keep it there. British Isles suggests the whole of Ireland, but the list only has Northern Island. Just my thoughts anyway. :) Best, PeterSymonds (talk)  16:28, 13 June 2008 (UTC)


 * Heck, it doesn't bother me! But as an editor of royalty articles, I see a lot of very petty disputes. For example at Royal Burial Ground, someone added "British and Canadian Royal Family" which was naturally ridiculous, considering it's the Australian, Jamaican blah blah as well. The dispute lasted days and the page was fully protected. I just want to avoid those as much as possible; most people are willing to compromise with discussion, but when it happens quickly and without discussion people get annoyed. :) No reflection on you at all, obviously, but just be aware of the dispute a little phrase can cause. :) Best, PeterSymonds (talk)  16:38, 13 June 2008 (UTC)

Ancestry
Nope, there's no royalty in my blood lines (at least, none that I know of). I'm still surprised Old Germain's got an article; it wouldn't surprise me if it got deleted. Congradulations, on your ancestor having an article (an image included, aswell). GoodDay (talk) 20:59, 14 June 2008 (UTC)
 * Canadian nobility? Is that still allowable in Canada? I know PM Chretien wouldn't allow Canadian citizens receive such titles (example: Conrad Black). GoodDay (talk) 14:27, 15 June 2008 (UTC)

In the 1840 United States presidential election, the Whigs (who's candidate was Harrison) slandered the Democrats candidate (incumbent) President Martin Van Buren for the Van in his name. They presented Harrison as a 'man of the people' and Van Buren as aristocratic & thus out of touch with the common man. GoodDay (talk) 14:44, 15 June 2008 (UTC)
 * American prez election campaigns, are known to be nasty. GoodDay (talk) 15:19, 15 June 2008 (UTC)

Medical advice
Hi. This is in relation the following comment you made on the Science desk:
 * Yes cetirizine hydrochloride is efficacious and a fast relief.

We shouldn't be providing any form of medical advice including the potential impact of certain treatments. The main reason is that results may vary - what works for you will not necessarily work for someone else. Zain Ebrahim (talk) 17:33, 15 June 2008 (UTC)
 * Moved from User talk:Zain Ebrahim111.
 * It wasn't advice, it was merely a general statement. Feel free to remove it, if you so wish. --Cameron (T|C) 17:37, 15 June 2008 (UTC)
 * It certainly can't be described as a general statement because you have no way of knowing whether the treatment will either be a relief or fast. If you had said:
 * So-and-so et al found that cetirizine hydrochloride was efficacious and a fast relief based on their study,
 * I would have been more lenient. Zain Ebrahim (talk) 17:43, 15 June 2008 (UTC)
 * I have removed it. I can't be bothered to find a source, I was actually talking out of personal experience. I will remember not to in future. --Cameron (T|C) 17:50, 15 June 2008 (UTC)
 * Please don't bear a grudge regarding your future contributions to the Refdesks. I also find it to be less-than-ideal that we can't use personal experience for medical questions but we can for everything else (the common counter-argument is that your personal experience comments may harm the OP). The main reason I took exception to this particular case was the fact that people who remove medical questions do so on the grounds that other contributors may provide potentially harmful comments. Zain Ebrahim (talk) 17:57, 15 June 2008 (UTC)


 * Have a look at some of the L-O-N-G threads at the Refdesk talk page. Zain Ebrahim (talk) 18:01, 15 June 2008 (UTC)
 * Oh dear, I didn't mean to sound rude if I came accross that way. = ) --Cameron (T|C) 18:03, 15 June 2008 (UTC)

UK
I wish I could share you optimism, on those 4 articles agreeing to 'fall in line'. There's editors out there, who are against having them in sync. GoodDay (talk) 19:21, 15 June 2008 (UTC)

Your "oppose"
You opposed in the neutral section. Not sure if that was intentional. cheers, xenocidic (talk) 02:06, 16 June 2008 (UTC)
 * No problem. I'm using Qui, I actually told you about it (see your June archive) when I came to let you know the statusbot got pwnd. Needs Firefox though. xenocidic (talk) 14:06, 16 June 2008 (UTC)


 * Would you like me to move it to the correct(?) section? Mahalo. --Ali'i 12:58, 16 June 2008 (UTC)


 * Gotcha. Thanks. --Ali'i 13:27, 16 June 2008 (UTC)

Suspected sockpuppet
Hello Cameron, since the discussion began on the Scotland talk page I have suspected that Fonez4mii has been using ip 84.13.166.40 (talk) as a sockpuppet. I have made a report here and would be grateful if you could take a look at it and tell me if you are of the same opinion or not. Thanks. Jack forbes (talk) 07:40, 16 June 2008 (UTC)

Sorry, I have to confess I have no idea what Template or how to add it. First time doing this. Jack forbes (talk) 13:41, 16 June 2008 (UTC)


 * Don't know where my head is, I can't seem to get my head around the Template! I know, Doh! Jack forbes (talk) 14:50, 16 June 2008 (UTC)

Thanks Cameron! Jack forbes (talk) 15:07, 16 June 2008 (UTC)


 * Replied there. You really should have just asked me. Fonez4mii (talk) 15:21, 16 June 2008 (UTC)

Socks
Yep, but I never had any concrete evidence in those cases. I only gave 'comment' postings, nothing really of any help. Generally, those cases are quickly solved with a Checkuser. GoodDay (talk) 19:32, 16 June 2008 (UTC)


 * I do not see what the problem is. I openly said the IP was mine at the first instant that someone asked me. I have not lied. I have not avoided a block, ban, or 3RR by using my account. I have not pretended to be two separate people. I have not inflated any kind of poll by voting twice, and in fact, it was myself that wrote on the poll, that no IPs should be allowed. I hope you will understand this. Fone  4  Me  08:58, 17 June 2008 (UTC)

Your ACC tool request
Hey, just wanted to let you know, that, per your request, I have approved you for access to the toolserver tool :) Let me know if you need anything! SQL Query me!  19:03, 19 June 2008 (UTC)

Come back Jack & WikiProject British Empire
He may yet return. He just has too be less sensative about Wikipedia; one just has to relax, stay calm, be cool & ride the Wiki waves. GoodDay (talk) 20:09, 19 June 2008 (UTC)
 * Also, the instructions for making myself a participant at WikiProject British Empire, is too difficult for me. GoodDay (talk) 20:24, 19 June 2008 (UTC)

Seeing as the British Empire was mostly (if not all) monarchy in nature; my interest would have to be freelancing. PS- I can't remember how I inducted myself at WikiProject Commonwealth realms (p.s- I still wish we would've included the Commonwealth republics, giggle). GoodDay (talk) 20:37, 19 June 2008 (UTC)
 * I wouldn't consider myself a co-founder though (IMO, you & Charmer are the co-founders - he conceived the idea & you brought it to life). As for the 'Humanities desk'? I'm not overly good at thinking up questions for Wikipedia. GoodDay (talk) 20:53, 19 June 2008 (UTC)

Just curious, why are we listed as having become members on March 21? GoodDay (talk) 00:10, 20 June 2008 (UTC)
 * Thanks Cameron (for fixing the dates). As for co-founder status? Okie Dokie. GoodDay (talk) 18:52, 20 June 2008 (UTC)
 * Good luck, Cameron. GoodDay (talk) 20:56, 20 June 2008 (UTC)

I not only signed the petition, I responded to Fonez and the person defending the one who closed the discussion. Also, it is difficult to read the participant chart at WP British Empire. If you want to keep the colour, maybe you can change the colour of link text (or ignore me, which is always a valid option). -Rrius (talk) 06:26, 20 June 2008 (UTC)

Lost the plot
Hey, check it out Cameron! I lost the plot! A wee/big drink in me and the truth comes out. If I'm going to retire I might as well go with all guns blazing. Jack forbes (talk) 00:19, 21 June 2008 (UTC)

The UK components
I'm keeping my fingers crossed, in hopes that someday constituent country will be adopted by all 5 articles (UK, Scotland, Wales, England & Northern Ireland). GoodDay (talk) 15:03, 21 June 2008 (UTC)
 * At Talk: United Kingdom, I feel a line in the sand situation is developing; Yikes. PS- I've requested opinons at Scotland, hope it helps things. GoodDay (talk) 19:48, 22 June 2008 (UTC)

I've also had diacritics clashes at the Ice Hockey articles. If you drop in at WikiProject Ice Hockey, you'll see what I mean. GoodDay (talk) 20:16, 22 June 2008 (UTC)

Jack & Fonez
Yeah, that looks good. Hopefully, the doubts will be put to rest. PS- Too bad, Jack lost self-control just before departing. GoodDay (talk) 17:18, 22 June 2008 (UTC)
 * You're doing the right thing. It's time that little feud came to an end. GoodDay (talk) 17:24, 22 June 2008 (UTC)

It can get very emotional (these kind of discussion). Months ago, I was suggesting a group-ownership of the Scotland article (that's how upset I was). GoodDay (talk) 19:57, 22 June 2008 (UTC)

G'day!
Very impressive, I must say! Well done. No, I haven't heard anything of Tharky for a while. Shame.--Gazzster (talk) 14:25, 22 June 2008 (UTC)

Tharky's MIA
You've read my mind. I was just about to leave a message at his page; asking if he was still around. GoodDay (talk) 14:49, 22 June 2008 (UTC)

Constituent country
There has been a long centralized discussion at Talk:United Kingdom, in which it was decided with 83.33% consensus that constituent country would be used to describe England, Scotland, Wales, and Northern Ireland. However, users at Scotland are saying that they will not accept a consensus made on another page, so I would like to inform you that there is now a similar vote on the Scotland talk page. Cheers -- fone    4    me   20:44, 22 June 2008 (UTC)

Thank you
Don't quit Wikipedia! I (and the community) really valued your tireless effort and mediation skills at Talk:Scotland. Perhaps you could do with a WikiBreak but please don't leave WP for good! Regards, --Cameron (t|p|c) 18:56, 16 May 2008 (UTC)

Thank you very much for your kind comment here. I have returned... I like to write. But I shall not I think participate on the contraversal Soctland and Wales pages anymore, I felt too targeted and followed by someone there. But again, thank you very much... it was very much appreciated. ♦Drachenfyre♦ · Talk 14:28, 24 June 2008 (UTC)

WikiProject British Empire
Sorry but I dont remember editing anything British. I am not interested very much. Thnak you. (cantikadam (talk) 20:09, 23 June 2008 (UTC))

Jack's retirement
I don't know who the IP is, but he/she seemed to be pointing a finger at me. Anyways, I won't loose too much sleep over it. GoodDay (talk) 20:10, 25 June 2008 (UTC)
 * Hopefully, the feud between Jack & Fonez is over. GoodDay (talk) 20:20, 25 June 2008 (UTC)

I think Jack will be back, as he's not blocked. But, perhaps (for his sake) a Wiki-break will benefit him & Fonez. GoodDay (talk) 20:26, 25 June 2008 (UTC)
 * Quite possible. GoodDay (talk) 20:29, 25 June 2008 (UTC)

Arbitration Request Filed
Hi there. This notice is to inform you that a Request for Arbitration has been filed regarding the ongoing cultural dispute between User:Yorkshirian, yourself and several other editors. The Arbitration Committee will decide on whether this case should be heard and pursued. Thank you. &mdash; KieferSkunk (talk) &mdash; 20:45, 25 June 2008 (UTC)

Prince William
Hiya.. there's a bit of a brouhaha over at Talk: Prince William; your input has been requested. Prince of Canadat 13:29, 26 June 2008 (UTC)

Smelly Socks
Yep, it's a jungle out there. GoodDay (talk) 19:00, 26 June 2008 (UTC)
 * My guess is Jack & Uk4ever haven't been blocked, because they've retired. As for Fone4My? he's haven't made an edit since June 25. Perhaps, it's something to bring up with the Administrators, see what they think. GoodDay (talk) 14:12, 28 June 2008 (UTC)

Editor review
I have an editor review going at WP:Editor review/Rrius, and GoodDay said you would be a good person to have do it. I feel a bit awkward asking to begin with, so don't think I'll take offense if you'd rather not. (Is it offense or offence in BrE?). I'd really appreciate if you could do a review, as it looks like a lot of people only get weak responses there. Either way, see you round the Commonwealth articles. -Rrius (talk) 21:56, 27 June 2008 (UTC)
 * Just general advice. Thanks for doing it. -Rrius (talk) 16:46, 28 June 2008 (UTC)

Thanks for your review. I did respond there because I was unfamiliar with something you said. Anyway, after the nonsense about subdivisions of the UK (which just won't end!) and some wearying brushes with some other editors, it was good to get some positive feedback. It was a real shot in the arm during a weekend in which (despite not editing that much) I have been attacked by someone who was overreacting to my reverting his POV edit, passive-aggressively challenged from an emotional POV by a guy who knows one of the gay couples married in Greece because I want him to provide verified sources (especially annoying since I am straight and have little emotion at all on the topic), and misrepresented by a guy who suggested that I kept responding to people's suggestions by saying there was a consensus when all I said was that they needed to lay-out non-arbitrary rationales to gain consensus. Since I started that sentence, the last guy has started a Mediation Cabal thing; this place can be tiresome. -Rrius (talk) 07:24, 29 June 2008 (UTC)

Requests for arbitration/Yorkshirian
An Arbitration case involving you has been opened, and is located here. Please add any evidence you may wish the Arbitrators to consider to the evidence sub-page, Requests for arbitration/Yorkshirian/Evidence. Please submit your evidence within one week, if possible. You may also contribute to the case on the workshop sub-page, Requests for arbitration/Yorkshirian/Workshop.

On behalf of the Arbitration Committee, Nishkid64 (Make articles, not wikidrama) 19:10, 28 June 2008 (UTC)

Highly Active Users
Indeed, I'm the go-to guy. However, since the status bot got blocked, I've been unable to think of another method to auto-update the status' in the tables. A workaround was presented to the developers by Cobi, but it was shot down. The best I've been able to come up with is to just link to everyone's contribs, so someone could see if that particular editor has edited recently. However, that idea isn't great. Useight (talk) 21:20, 28 June 2008 (UTC)
 * If you didn't see Wisdom89's response on my talk page, the status bot was blocked by the developers because of the extremely high amount of edits it was making daily and it was hogging too much bandwith. Useight (talk) 20:38, 29 June 2008 (UTC)